Time for y’all in CA to stock up on ICE vehicles

[FROGMAN524]

“I” as in u?

That was a puff piece. None of them are even talking about the big picture of the expansion due to CA over regulation. They were talking about carpentry construction & women in the industry when they should’ve been talking about infrastructure and distribution warehouses.

It’s pretty funny that Arizona is the only state on the I-11 that hasn’t finished.

I drive the 93 quite a bit and it’s fucked with psycho drivers who if they’re not going 3 digits and passing on double yellows aren’t happy. They either can’t wait to get to Vegas to lose all their money or they’re on their way back from Vegas after losing all their money.

 

[DWC]

Way better than it used to be. Late 80’s, early 90’s we couldn’t even see the mountains in the Inland Empire (I’m in Chino). We would have “half speed practice” for football on bad smog days. Your lungs would hurt after running when it was bad.

We moved from Long Beach to Chino in the summer of 81’. We were excited because we had a pool. Didn’t know you really couldn’t swim a ton because the smog would wipe you out. Yep, couldn’t see the damn mountains for long stretches.

 

[TrollerDave]

We moved from Long Beach to Chino in the summer of 81’. We were excited because we had a pool. Didn’t know you really couldn’t swim a ton because the smog would wipe you out. Yep, couldn’t see the damn mountains for long stretches.

We moved here at the same time. Crazy how it’s changed.

While CARB served a purpose and was successful, some of the rules and restrictions now just seem overboard and a hindrance to certain businesses.

 

[Cdog]

Everyone in apartments is stuck with street parking....no charging capability, obviously...so charging on the road is the only option.

They get public transportation.

Or

Go be poor somewhere else.

Before you feel bad for them remember, they voted for this.

 

[HBCraig]

Do you have a link or more info?? This would be a HUGE defeat if it were to come true.

No. Just my customers that deal with them.for their large fleets. It's been told to me by multiple people

 

[Backlash]

No. Just my customers that deal with them.for their large fleets. It's been told to me by multiple people

I'm going to remain optimistic that it is in the works. Keep us updated if you hear more.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Trucks will be available longer.
For a car, small SUV, or non towing vehicle I wont bother with ICE going forward anymore.

ICE is getting worse and worse and EV's are getting better. The never ending all encompassing quest for clean makes them harder to live with and way more expensive to fix.

This year ICE is getting a GPF - like diesels have a DPF.
HP and mileage go Down, and long term costs go up.
DI systems carbon up intakes so some cars have multiple injection systems now.
10 sped trans fail all the time
Lifters die from the the variable displacement games
Start stop cant be shut off on some models
Try getting CARB exhaust parts for 15 year old vehicles now.

Like them or not one great thing about an EV is flipping the bird to the states pollution patrols, smogs stations.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

God i hope Trump comes in and COMPLETELY neuters the EPA, CARB, and all other subsidiaries. They are all BEYOND out of control.

 

[bonesfab]

Trucks will be available longer.
For a car, small SUV, or non towing vehicle I wont bother with ICE going forward anymore.

ICE is getting worse and worse and EV's are getting better. The never ending all encompassing quest for clean makes them harder to live with and way more expensive to fix.

This year ICE is getting a GPF - like diesels have a DPF.
HP and mileage go Down, and long term costs go up.
DI systems carbon up intakes so some cars have multiple injection systems now.
10 sped trans fail all the time
Lifters die from the the variable displacement games
Start stop cant be shut off on some models
Try getting CARB exhaust parts for 15 year old vehicles now.

Like them or not one great thing about an EV is flipping the bird to the states pollution patrols, smogs stations.

Thats why you go with old and basic simple shit. No Smog, parts can be made to fit. I have a feeling there is going to be a resurgence in anything older as they will still be able to be worked on and still be driving on the road.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Thats why you go with old and basic simple shit. No Smog, parts can be made to fit. I have a feeling there is going to be a resurgence in anything older as they will still be able to be worked on and still be driving on the road.

Problem with that is that you cant buy "new" old stock & I don't want to drive old clapped out shit.

People are already having problems with parts as little as 10 years old much less 20, I don't see that getting better but worse.

 

[Cdog]

God i hope Trump comes in and COMPLETELY neuters the EPA, CARB, and all other subsidiaries. They are all BEYOND out of control.

The PACCAR lobbyist says it will take the better part of 3 years before any meaningful change will take place. Perhaps kick the can down the road for now but it's a major issue across the MD & HD industry. The OEM's are not walking back their investments in the new EPA engines. Too much invested so you're going to get some of it now matter what. The egg has already been broken.

 

[Cdog]

Thats why you go with old and basic simple shit. No Smog, parts can be made to fit. I have a feeling there is going to be a resurgence in anything older as they will still be able to be worked on and still be driving on the road.

I'm planning on picking up a couple of more LT4's and LT1's just to sit on.

I dont know if that will make a difference for CA peeps though because they will paint you into a corner with compliance until you take the jab

 

[Flying_Lavey]

The PACCAR lobbyist says it will take the better part of 3 years before any meaningful change will take place. Perhaps kick the can down the road for now but it's a major issue across the MD & HD industry. The OEM's are not walking back their investments in the new EPA engines. Too much invested so you're going to get some of it now matter what. The egg has already been broken.

Oh I'm sure it would take a few years before any meaningful change occurs, but the hope of course reversal is quite high.

Plus, how come nobody has filed suit against these regulations based upon the reversal of the Chevron Doctrine? Seems like most of the standing for the enforcement of these could be wiped out with a relatively simple challenge.

 

[Cdog]

Oh I'm sure it would take a few years before any meaningful change occurs, but the hope of course reversal is quite high.

Plus, how come nobody has filed suit against these regulations based upon the reversal of the Chevron Doctrine? Seems like most of the standing for the enforcement of these could be wiped out with a relatively simple challenge.

OEM’s have billions invested in development for the EPA 27.

No matter what we’re all gonna take a bite of some sort of shit sandwich

 

[Flying_Lavey]

OEM’s have billions invested in development for the EPA 27.

No matter what we’re all gonna take a bite of some sort of shit sandwich

But if the post-sale enforcement is removed or lessened and the aftermarket was allowed to do their thing, it would be a glorious day!

 

[napanutt]

The traveling isn’t the main issue, it’s all the people who don’t/can’t have chargers at home.

This is a huge reason why EV cars shouldn't be crammed down peoples throats.

 

[spectra3279]

Problem with that is that you cant buy "new" old stock & I don't want to drive old clapped out shit.

People are already having problems with parts as little as 10 years old much less 20, I don't see that getting better but worse.

You can buy a brand new 1965 mustang I believe.

 

[spectra3279]

And does this bullshit not fall under the interstate commerce laws?

 

[Uncle Dave]

You can buy a brand new 1965 mustang I believe.

New? interesting. There are probably a handful of restored classics available at a given time.

Not really a strategy Id employ adding to my fleet or if my current ice become to expensive to keep.

 

[spectra3279]

New? interesting. There are probably a handful of restored classics available at a given time.

Not really a strategy Id employ adding to my fleet or if my current ice become to expensive to keep.

Revology Cars. Brand-new reproduction classic Mustang.

Revology Cars presents the world's first officially licensed brand-new reproduction classic Mustang. We bring modern technology and classic style together like never before.

revologycars.com

Was wrong on the model years but close

 

[angiebaby]

Problem with that is that you cant buy "new" old stock & I don't want to drive old clapped out shit.

People are already having problems with parts as little as 10 years old much less 20, I don't see that getting better but worse.

I'm fine with driving old clapped-out shit if it means I don't have to bend the knee and kowtow to the leftist agenda.

Free market is great. If the EVs are superior and priced affordable enough, people will purchase them. What I'm 100% against is the government, particularly unelected bureaucrats deciding winners and losers in industry and bending people's arms until they make the "correct" choice in products. They subsidize certain companies, credit (bribe) the public, and punish the non-compliant. F-that. I will push against that until my dying day. But that's me.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Revology Cars. Brand-new reproduction classic Mustang.

Revology Cars presents the world's first officially licensed brand-new reproduction classic Mustang. We bring modern technology and classic style together like never before.

revologycars.com

Was wrong on the model years but close

I make pretty good bread, but 280K (on the low end) for a retro is a bit out of my league.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I'm fine with driving old clapped-out shit if it means I don't have to bend the knee and kowtow to the leftist agenda.

Free market is great. If the EVs are superior and priced affordable enough, people will purchase them. What I'm 100% against is the government, particularly unelected bureaucrats deciding winners and losers in industry and bending people's arms until they make the "correct" choice in products. They subsidize certain companies, credit (bribe) the public, and punish the non-compliant. F-that. I will push against that until my dying day. But that's me.

That old clapped out shit still has to pass smog, or go for inspections if you live in Cali, Arizona, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Mississippi, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Virginia.


I'm for ending all the subsidies. Let's level the playing field entirely.

 

[playdeep]

Thats why you go with old and basic simple shit. No Smog, parts can be made to fit. I have a feeling there is going to be a resurgence in anything older as they will still be able to be worked on and still be driving on the road.

^^^^this.
Old chevy motors are getting hard to find.
The cost of old 283/327/350 SBC's is getting nuts.
I'm buying every 327 I can find.They're getting hard to find.
I just found a DZ 302 short block in a barn.Guy listed it as a 327...score.
Bought it...

 

[Cdog]

^^^^this.
Old chevy motors are getting hard to find.
The cost of old 283/327/350 SBC's is getting nuts.
I'm buying every 327 I can find.They're getting hard to find.
I just found a DZ 302 short block in a barn.Guy listed it as a 327...score.
Bought it...

2 bolt & 4 bolt main?

Im doing the same with LT engines. I’m fine with a couple of 1st gen Camaros, K5’s, maybe a 70 chevelle & a 911.

Hahaha!!

 

[playdeep]

2 bolt & 4 bolt main?

Im doing the same with LT engines. I’m fine with a couple of 1st gen Camaros, K5’s, maybe a 70 chevelle & a 911.

Hahaha!!

All 283&327's were 2 bolt mains w/forged steel cranks...
You can turn some serious rpm's with the early small journal 327's.
4 bolt main 350's(010 blocks)are getting really hard to find...scat crank&rods,set of early camel hump 2.02's.,you can make excellent dependable horsepower for pretty cheap.

 

[mash on it]

^^^^this.
Old chevy motors are getting hard to find.
The cost of old 283/327/350 SBC's is getting nuts.
I'm buying every 327 I can find.They're getting hard to find.
I just found a DZ 302 short block in a barn.Guy listed it as a 327...score.
Bought it...

Can I like this twice?

Dan'l

 

[mash on it]

All 283&327's were 2 bolt mains w/forged steel cranks...
You can turn some serious rpm's with the early small journal 327's.
4 bolt main 350's(010 blocks)are getting really hard to find...scat crank&rods,set of early camel hump 2.02's.,you can make excellent dependable horsepower for pretty cheap.

Hmmm,
Can I raise the compression on a 327 to 14:1 and have a spark ignited diesel? With a 750. Holley?

From my SBC hot rod book,

" When the last small block Chevy, fires for the last time, it will probably be a modified one"

Challenge accepted.
283
305x3
327x2
350x3
383
400x2

That is all.

Dan'l

 

[Cdog]

All 283&327's were 2 bolt mains w/forged steel cranks...
You can turn some serious rpm's with the early small journal 327's.
4 bolt main 350's(010 blocks)are getting really hard to find...scat crank&rods,set of early camel hump 2.02's.,you can make excellent dependable horsepower for pretty cheap.

I was gonna say the 67&68’s were small journal 2 bolt mains. 69’s were larger journals with 4 bolt. On the DZ blocks anyway

 

[angiebaby]

That old clapped out shit still has to pass smog, or go for inspections if you live in Cali, Arizona, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Mississippi, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Virginia.


I'm for ending all the subsidies. Let's level the playing field entirely.

So you’re for tax credits and penalties?

Yes. You are correct about passing smog. And we told CA to piss off and left before this EV mandate nonsense began. About half of the states on your list (including NV) only require certain counties or municipalities to smog. CA requires every citizen in the state.

It’s fine. You do you. I’m just saying that I’m not going to be forced into complying with the leftist agenda on this if I can help it, and right now, I can. If the EVs were a good deal, so cool they were worth the extra price, or made my life easier, I’d consider buying one. But when I’m forced into doing something, I’m pushing back. If you have one and you like it, that’s super. Have at it. I’ll keep my clapped out old junk and live where I’m free to do that without penalty. Parts are cheap and Jeff can fix it if needed. If he can’t, or doesn’t have time, the repair shop 3 miles away can.

All states have some sort of regulations and mandates. At the end of the day, it just depends on how much of that you’re willing to deal with. My threshold is low. It’s all a trade-off.

 

[Uncle Dave]

So you’re for tax credits and penalties?

Yes. You are correct about passing smog. And we told CA to piss off and left before this EV mandate nonsense began. About half if the states on your list (including NV) only require certain counties or municipalities to smog. CA requires every citizen in the state.

It’s fine. You do you. I’m just saying that I’m not going to forced into complying with the leftist agenda on this if I can help it, and right now, I can. If the EVs were a good deal, so cool they were worth the extra price, or made my life easier, I’d consider buying one. But when I’m forced into doing something, I’m pushing back. If you have one and you like it, that’s super. Have at it. I’ll keep my clapped out old junk and live where I’m free to do that without penalty. Parts are cheap and Jeff can fix it if needed. If he can’t, or doesn’t have time, the repair shop 3 miles away can.

All states have some sort of regulations and mandates. At the end of the day, it just depends on how much of that you’re willing to deal with. My threshold is low. It’s all a trade-off.

I'm against the penalties and credits as well.
Sadly that list will do nothing but grow and states that require partial compliance will grow into full compliance (capitulation) as time marches on.

You are already penalized and coerced - and living with that penalty.
For the last 30 years plus we've all been forced into ever shittier cars as they have been built to the California standard regardless of where they call home.

I suspect just like the last time, the mandates will shift and with 10 years to go before that I'll have plenty of choices in the meantime, so turning French over the matter at this stage (tears, crying and smoking) is a waste of energy to me.

I do not have an EV. I have two trucks, a half ton and a midsized truck. I have lots of EV experience as I often trade with co workers for short periods that own EV's because - big surprise they need trucks from time to time so Ive been around almost all of them for about a decade now, and lived with, and road tripped many of them.

I despise mandates and coercion as much as anyone here (maybe more), but without being forced into anything and of my own experience and choice, there are simply lots of times when the EV is a better pick, and people with no experience or understanding of them don't make a compelling case otherwise outside of "don't tell me what to do" while they are already being told and forced what to do.

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

I stopped worrying about the future. If I do like a vehicle, I am just keeping it in the garage and replacing it with something new. I kinda want an old Cummins that I can drive around and smoke out young fellas in their Prius when I get to be an old fart. Most likely, there will be a time when getting fuel will be the issue, but shoot...I may not be around in 10 years so why cry now.

 

[FROGMAN524]

The PACCAR lobbyist says it will take the better part of 3 years before any meaningful change will take place. Perhaps kick the can down the road for now but it's a major issue across the MD & HD industry. The OEM's are not walking back their investments in the new EPA engines. Too much invested so you're going to get some of it now matter what. The egg has already been broken.

CAT left OTR all together some time ago because of it correct?

 

[Cdog]

CAT left OTR all together some time ago because of it correct?

Cat left all MD & HD due to DEF & after treatment mandates in 2008.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

So glad I left Cali! I have soo much more freedom!

 

[attitude]

So glad I left Cali! I have soo much more freedom!
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Same, I’ll get to enjoy more of this instead of putting my truck back to stock to smog it lol.

 

[badgas]

Will it matter ? Does anyone actually enforce laws ?

 

[DWC]

Will it matter ? Does anyone actually enforce laws ?

Only when there’s money to be made. Bust thieves and homeless people, no chance. Money grab from employed citizens, yep

 

[lbhsbz]

This is a huge reason why EV cars shouldn't be crammed down peoples throats.

Just start LS swapping teslas, no smog test, no problem

 

[shintoooo]