Grandpa mac
Now politics is kinda boring ;)
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State election groups have always been bipartisan. There are people on election boards and working counting ballots that come from all walks of life and support all different candidates.
Until proven otherwise, I believe all those people of different backgrounds and different views are assuring that no significant fraud is going on as both sides have such an incentive to blow the whistle on the other side.
There will always be people who are still registered at their parents house or whatever, but the claims of systemic massive fraud in an amount necessary to to change the results have not yet been proven and until such time as they are, I choose to trust America and the American system as it beats other systems.
The victory margins for Trump in some states in the 16 election were smaller than some of Biden’s state wins in 20. Just as Clinton claimed fraud and even filed suit for a recount in Michigan and Wisconsin as late as December 2016, the fact remains Trump won that election. And until factually proven otherwise, I choose to assume the system is right, and that includes both when Trump barely squeaked by in 16 and Biden barely squeaking by in 20.
But directly to your point, If there is “blatant election fraud”, the Trump lawyers who are very good will prove it in court as if it is “blatant” it will be a slam dunk. To date, objectively they have not done so. Time will tell. Latest here.
Trump Election Lawsuits Have Mostly Failed. Here's What They Tried
"The claims are baseless, and at this point folks are grasping at straws," said one secretary of state, of the Trump campaign's legal strategy.www.npr.org
I would add to that that I believe a couple of the states with contested elections have Republican Secretaries of State who have vouched for their election processes. Bush and Romney have both congratulated Biden and expressed confidence in a clean election and court after court have already been tossing Trumps cases for lack of evidence.State election groups have always been bipartisan. There are people on election boards and working counting ballots that come from all walks of life and support all different candidates.
Until proven otherwise, I believe all those people of different backgrounds and different views are assuring that no significant fraud is going on as both sides have such an incentive to blow the whistle on the other side.
There will always be people who are still registered at their parents house or whatever, but the claims of systemic massive fraud in an amount necessary to to change the results have not yet been proven and until such time as they are, I choose to trust America and the American system as it beats other systems.
The victory margins for Trump in some states in the 16 election were smaller than some of Biden’s state wins in 20. Just as Clinton claimed fraud and even filed suit for a recount in Michigan and Wisconsin as late as December 2016, the fact remains Trump won that election. And until factually proven otherwise, I choose to assume the system is right, and that includes both when Trump barely squeaked by in 16 and Biden barely squeaking by in 20.
But directly to your point, If there is “blatant election fraud”, the Trump lawyers who are very good will prove it in court as if it is “blatant” it will be a slam dunk. To date, objectively they have not done so. Time will tell. Latest here.
Trump Election Lawsuits Have Mostly Failed. Here's What They Tried
"The claims are baseless, and at this point folks are grasping at straws," said one secretary of state, of the Trump campaign's legal strategy.www.npr.org
The problem is that Trump and his enablers at OAN, ZeroHedge, QAnon and Fox have been alleging fraud since Day 1 with no proof because it helps to protect Trumps fragile ego. Trump alleged 3,000,000 illegal votes cast in 2016 but four years later that’s just 3,000,000 felonies his Department of Justice hasn’t proven with a prosecution. It’s the same deal now. Muddy the water with unproven allegations and potentially destroy what remains of America’s faith in its defining institutions all for the sake of one butt-hurt egomaniac who without a shred of actual evidence is doing everything he can to damage his opponent and our country in the process.
When you pay out on our wager, remember that it was because Trump and the propaganda outlets deliberately fed you false information to prop up this loser’s fragile ego. There is real danger to living in a echo chamber and perhaps our little wager will make you a tiny bit less credulous the next time you read something from a purely partisan source.