The Jan. 6th Circle Jerk

[Tank]

How many were arrested during the May 29th insurrection where 60 secret service officers sustained injuries, from Bricks, Rocks, Firework rockets, etc?

Like i said, if the DOJ didn't abuse their power, and actually focused on the handful of real cases, not the hundreds and hundreds of bullshit ones, they would have a leg to stand on. But instead it's a corrupt partisan agency that lets one side get away with murder while the other side gets thrown in jail for standing on a sidewalk.

I think we basically said the same thing.

 

[Racey]

"I picked a J6 case at random to review because I wanted to see how bad it was. And let me tell you the random one I picked did not disappoint.

This defendant went into the capital and walked down the corridor. He was not accused of violence. He did not break anything. He did not hurt anybody. He was sentenced by a jury to 19 months in prison he was overcharged by the prosecutor to the point where it should be called malicious prosecution, and a judge rubber stamped every single thing the prosecutor asked for.

The most egregious part of these filings was that the government introduced a 22 minute video montage that spliced together key breaches that occurred that day. They introduced that video to a jury even when the defendant in question is only shown on that video for less than 6 seconds. The defendant in question was not violent. He was walking through a hallway in the capital building with the crowd, he looked like it was a walking tour in the picture still shot. The remaining 21 minutes, shows the most violent portions of the event spliced together.

Luckily, this defendant seems to have had competent attorneys who filed a motion to exclude this video. The defendant’s lawyers argued that this video montage is highly prejudicial because it shows a jury a 22 minute video where all they see are the most extreme parts of the whole day, but the defendant in question is only on that videotape for six seconds and is seen walking around peacefully.

Further, attorneys for the defendant argued that the majority of the jury in Washington DC is made of a federal employees. This video is meant to inflame a jury, it has no probative value, and therefore is a violation of federal rule of evidence 401 (which by the way they teach like on the first day of criminal procedure in law school). District Court Judge Bates declined the motion and allowed the prosecutor to include the video montage. I would be willing to bet everything I own that submitting a 22 minute video montage that shows the most egregious acts of violence you can find from that day when the defendant in question is on that video for only six seconds and is seen walking calmly is highly prejudicial and a violation of the defendants due process rights. This person was found guilty and sentenced to 19 months in prison. Let me repeat that again, this person got 19 months in prison for walking through the capital for 8 minuets.

It took me two hours to read through all of the documents that were in this case file. Every motion submitted by the defendant was denied, and every motion submitted by the government was granted. They turned a trespass misdemeanor that would have result in a $50 ticket into a 5 misdemeanors and a felony charge by charging the defendant with a statute that would have required the Secret Service to rope off the section he was in, which they did not, they also charged him with a statute that would have required them to prove Mike Pence was in the building at the time he walked through that corridor, he was not, and finally they used an Enron statue that the Supreme Court struck down.

This defendant had to spend two years and probably hundreds of thousands of dollars in attorneys fees for spending 20 minutes in the building and walking through the corridors. And this is just the first case I dug into. Imagine if we had the time to dig into the details of each and every single one of these cases, read all the filings and compile a report on the amount of due process violations that were committed. You know it’s called journalism. Something that only Julie Kelly and a small few others seem to understand how to do as it relates to J6. People need to see the inside of jail cells. This is so far beyond prosecutorial discretion. This is straight up political persecution. But the biggest problem here are the judges that rubber stamped all of it."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1882268997606945260

 

[530RL]

"I picked a J6 case at random to review because I wanted to see how bad it was. And let me tell you the random one I picked did not disappoint.

This defendant went into the capital and walked down the corridor. He was not accused of violence. He did not break anything. He did not hurt anybody. He was sentenced by a jury to 19 months in prison he was overcharged by the prosecutor to the point where it should be called malicious prosecution, and a judge rubber stamped every single thing the prosecutor asked for.

The most egregious part of these filings was that the government introduced a 22 minute video montage that spliced together key breaches that occurred that day. They introduced that video to a jury even when the defendant in question is only shown on that video for less than 6 seconds. The defendant in question was not violent. He was walking through a hallway in the capital building with the crowd, he looked like it was a walking tour in the picture still shot. The remaining 21 minutes, shows the most violent portions of the event spliced together.

Luckily, this defendant seems to have had competent attorneys who filed a motion to exclude this video. The defendant’s lawyers argued that this video montage is highly prejudicial because it shows a jury a 22 minute video where all they see are the most extreme parts of the whole day, but the defendant in question is only on that videotape for six seconds and is seen walking around peacefully.

Further, attorneys for the defendant argued that the majority of the jury in Washington DC is made of a federal employees. This video is meant to inflame a jury, it has no probative value, and therefore is a violation of federal rule of evidence 401 (which by the way they teach like on the first day of criminal procedure in law school). District Court Judge Bates declined the motion and allowed the prosecutor to include the video montage. I would be willing to bet everything I own that submitting a 22 minute video montage that shows the most egregious acts of violence you can find from that day when the defendant in question is on that video for only six seconds and is seen walking calmly is highly prejudicial and a violation of the defendants due process rights. This person was found guilty and sentenced to 19 months in prison. Let me repeat that again, this person got 19 months in prison for walking through the capital for 8 minuets.

It took me two hours to read through all of the documents that were in this case file. Every motion submitted by the defendant was denied, and every motion submitted by the government was granted. They turned a trespass misdemeanor that would have result in a $50 ticket into a 5 misdemeanors and a felony charge by charging the defendant with a statute that would have required the Secret Service to rope off the section he was in, which they did not, they also charged him with a statute that would have required them to prove Mike Pence was in the building at the time he walked through that corridor, he was not, and finally they used an Enron statue that the Supreme Court struck down.

This defendant had to spend two years and probably hundreds of thousands of dollars in attorneys fees for spending 20 minutes in the building and walking through the corridors. And this is just the first case I dug into. Imagine if we had the time to dig into the details of each and every single one of these cases, read all the filings and compile a report on the amount of due process violations that were committed. You know it’s called journalism. Something that only Julie Kelly and a small few others seem to understand how to do as it relates to J6. People need to see the inside of jail cells. This is so far beyond prosecutorial discretion. This is straight up political persecution. But the biggest problem here are the judges that rubber stamped all of it."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1882268997606945260

What is the name of this defendant so that anyone can look up the case and read the charging document for themselves as opposed to this individuals interpretation of it?

 

[Uncle Dave]

"I picked a J6 case at random to review because I wanted to see how bad it was. And let me tell you the random one I picked did not disappoint.

This defendant went into the capital and walked down the corridor. He was not accused of violence. He did not break anything. He did not hurt anybody. He was sentenced by a jury to 19 months in prison he was overcharged by the prosecutor to the point where it should be called malicious prosecution, and a judge rubber stamped every single thing the prosecutor asked for.

The most egregious part of these filings was that the government introduced a 22 minute video montage that spliced together key breaches that occurred that day. They introduced that video to a jury even when the defendant in question is only shown on that video for less than 6 seconds. The defendant in question was not violent. He was walking through a hallway in the capital building with the crowd, he looked like it was a walking tour in the picture still shot. The remaining 21 minutes, shows the most violent portions of the event spliced together.

Luckily, this defendant seems to have had competent attorneys who filed a motion to exclude this video. The defendant’s lawyers argued that this video montage is highly prejudicial because it shows a jury a 22 minute video where all they see are the most extreme parts of the whole day, but the defendant in question is only on that videotape for six seconds and is seen walking around peacefully.

Further, attorneys for the defendant argued that the majority of the jury in Washington DC is made of a federal employees. This video is meant to inflame a jury, it has no probative value, and therefore is a violation of federal rule of evidence 401 (which by the way they teach like on the first day of criminal procedure in law school). District Court Judge Bates declined the motion and allowed the prosecutor to include the video montage. I would be willing to bet everything I own that submitting a 22 minute video montage that shows the most egregious acts of violence you can find from that day when the defendant in question is on that video for only six seconds and is seen walking calmly is highly prejudicial and a violation of the defendants due process rights. This person was found guilty and sentenced to 19 months in prison. Let me repeat that again, this person got 19 months in prison for walking through the capital for 8 minuets.

It took me two hours to read through all of the documents that were in this case file. Every motion submitted by the defendant was denied, and every motion submitted by the government was granted. They turned a trespass misdemeanor that would have result in a $50 ticket into a 5 misdemeanors and a felony charge by charging the defendant with a statute that would have required the Secret Service to rope off the section he was in, which they did not, they also charged him with a statute that would have required them to prove Mike Pence was in the building at the time he walked through that corridor, he was not, and finally they used an Enron statue that the Supreme Court struck down.

This defendant had to spend two years and probably hundreds of thousands of dollars in attorneys fees for spending 20 minutes in the building and walking through the corridors. And this is just the first case I dug into. Imagine if we had the time to dig into the details of each and every single one of these cases, read all the filings and compile a report on the amount of due process violations that were committed. You know it’s called journalism. Something that only Julie Kelly and a small few others seem to understand how to do as it relates to J6. People need to see the inside of jail cells. This is so far beyond prosecutorial discretion. This is straight up political persecution. But the biggest problem here are the judges that rubber stamped all of it."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1882268997606945260

Seems to me the left went too far in trying to get peaceful guys locked up. Classic BS move when in authority. Pile on charges for nothing.

I'm more curious about the guys that were fuckwits and or were accused of attacking police.

The right seems to believe these people dont exist.

Haven't followed it enough to know myself.

 

[regor]

Seems to me the left went too far in trying to get peaceful guys locked up. Classic BS move when in authority. Pile on charges for nothing.

I'm more curious about the guys that were fuckwits and or were accused of attacking police.

The right seems to believe these people dont exist.

Haven't followed it enough to know myself.

There were people that went far with it...................after being welcomed and instigated by the Capital Police/FBI.

There's a reason why the National Guard offered by President Trump was declined and for that reason, ALL cases against ALL defendants were tainted. The only solution was to released them all.

I don't think Trump was going to do that, until Biden pardoned the corrupt J6 committee who was instrumental in covering up the government's entrapment.

 

[Uncle Dave]

There were people that went far with it...................after being welcomed and instigated by the Capital Police/FBI.

There's a reason why the National Guard offered by President Trump was declined and for that reason, ALL cases against ALL defendants were tainted. The only solution was to released them all.

I don't think Trump was going to do that, until Biden pardoned the corrupt J6 committee who was instrumental in covering up the government's entrapment.

So tit for tat.

Does the local police union have a position this?

 

[regor]

So tit for tat.

Does the local police union have a position this?

Why should Trump be held to a different standard than the left?

And I don't really give a rat's ass what the local police union has to say about J6, UNTIL a REAL investigation is done on ALL the participants that day.

BTW, welcome back!!!!

 

[4Waters]

Why should Trump be held to a different standard than the left?

And I don't really give a rat's ass what the local police union has to say about J6, UNTIL a REAL investigation is done on ALL the participants that day.

If biden and the left play dirty then Trump can get dirty as well, if they don't like it they can fuck off

 

[regor]

If biden and the left play dirty then Trump can get dirty as well, if they don't like it they can fuck off

RINO's apparently just like to get bent over and fucked by the left continuously and then wonder why pissed off Americans who are the majority at this point, don't vote for them.

Anyone paying attention...............KNOWS it's all by design.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Why should Trump be held to a different standard than the left?

And I don't really give a rat's ass what the local police union has to say about J6, UNTIL a REAL investigation is done on ALL the participants that day.

BTW, welcome back!!!!

I'm not saying he should, Im trying to understand the situation. I hate all these fucks.

Does the response about police mean you don't know, or don't agree with what they say?

Never left, just not much interesting to post about, but thanks!

 

[Uncle Dave]

If biden and the left play dirty then Trump can get dirty as well, if they don't like it they can fuck off

I really haven't been following this closely.
I don't disagree with tit for tat.

Sounds like -

Biden protects the out of control committee that went after people they shouldn't with a preemptive pardon.
Trump says FU he'll let everyone go even the ones that went too far and pardoned everyone.

 

[4Waters]

I really haven't been following this closely.
I don't disagree with tit for tat.

Sounds like -

Biden protects the out of control committee that went after people they shouldn't with a preemptive pardon.
Trump says FU he'll let everyone go even the ones that went too far and pardoned everyone.

The real Republican Party has been playing clean ball for to long, time for a horse collar

 

[regor]

I'm not saying he should, Im trying to understand the situation. I hate all these fucks.

Does the response about police mean you don't know, or don't agree with what they say?

Never left, just not much interesting to post about, but thanks!

Which local police you talking about, mine?

 

[Racey]

What is the name of this defendant so that anyone can look up the case and read the charging document for themselves as opposed to this individuals interpretation of it?

Go look it up, you're the master of copy pasting links from big government web sites

 

[Uncle Dave]

Which local police you talking about, mine?

The DC police ( or that particular union) that responded to the Jan 6th event.

 

[regor]

The DC police ( or that particular union) that responded to the Jan 6th event.

Haven’t seen anything, but I’m sure they’re whining. They were part of it.

 

[rmarion]

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[t&y]

So tit for tat.

Does the local police union have a position this?

I am not the police union, nor do I represent my department or any other department out there. I represent a cop who has been on for over a couple decades and has been one of the cops standing on that line facing thousands of pissed off protestors.

Like I've said from the beginning of this thing, I do not support anyone at a lawful protest committing acts of violence assaulting police or civilians. We all have a right to free speech and to protest in this country, and if my job is to stand there and take the verbal abuse (justified or not) over a person's opinions then so be it. I signed up for it and get paid to be in that position. What we saw on January 6th is turning out to be far more of a planned and instigated event by bad actors, I believe some put there by government agencies and others just bad from the get-go, that has played out across the county several times without a slimmer of a fraction of the news media coverage, political outrage, or criminal charges. In fact, we all observed the opposite of that for the better part of the year. To top that off, many of the current loud voices were justifying the actions of the violent protestors, misstating facts about the incidents, supporting false claims of violence carried out by police, and threatening for the action to continue if they didn't get their presidential pick. Make no mistake, those protests after fentanyl Floyd were well organized political acts. I and many others lived through them up close and personal.

What I would like to have seen was any of the cases that included actual charges of violence against officers that day (yes, even the mall cops) be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. That did not happen obviously. On one side I think that was a very bad move by Trump in his decision. However, many of those cases involved convicted persons who have been in federal prison for at least two years now, if not closer to 3-4. That time in custody is far more that I have seen actual real life up close and personal criminals receive for legit assaults, at times with weapons, against police across this nation. It's not a oddity, it is the norm. And as Tank mentioned, any real cop out there already knows this, and many of us have experienced it.

While I may not agree in total with that blanket pardon, I believe even those that committed violent acts that day have served their time. Unfortunately, all this pardon will be for the next four years, is a talking point promoted by corrupt and obviously bias politicians many of whom bad mouth cops on the regular, and now it will be just one more issue the Republican/Maga party will have to deal with.

To sum all of that up above in a few simple words... Fuck any Liberal Piece of Shit Democrat Politician, Media Organization, or Deranged Civilian out there who now comes forward in some politically motivated support of Cops. The real Cops on the street see through their bullshit, and our job and life will be just fine without their false rage and support.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I am not the police union, nor do I represent my department or any other department out there. I represent a cop who has been on for over a couple decades and has been one of the cops standing on that line facing thousands of pissed off protestors.

Like I've said from the beginning of this thing, I do not support anyone at a lawful protest committing acts of violence assaulting police or civilians. We all have a right to free speech and to protest in this country, and if my job is to stand there and take the verbal abuse (justified or not) over a person's opinions then so be it. I signed up for it and get paid to be in that position. What we saw on January 6th is turning out to be far more of a planned and instigated event by bad actors, I believe some put there by government agencies and others just bad from the get-go, that has played out across the county several times without a slimmer of a fraction of the news media coverage, political outrage, or criminal charges. In fact, we all observed the opposite of that for the better part of the year. To top that off, many of the current loud voices were justifying the actions of the violent protestors, misstating facts about the incidents, supporting false claims of violence carried out by police, and threatening for the action to continue if they didn't get their presidential pick. Make no mistake, those protests after fentanyl Floyd were well organized political acts. I and many others lived through them up close and personal.

What I would like to have seen was any of the cases that included actual charges of violence against officers that day (yes, even the mall cops) be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. That did not happen obviously. On one side I think that was a very bad move by Trump in his decision. However, many of those cases involved convicted persons who have been in federal prison for at least two years now, if not closer to 3-4. That time in custody is far more that I have seen actual real life up close and personal criminals receive for legit assaults, at times with weapons, against police across this nation. It's not a oddity, it is the norm. And as Tank mentioned, any real cop out there already knows this, and many of us have experienced it.

While I may not agree in total with that blanket pardon, I believe even those that committed violent acts that day have served their time. Unfortunately, all this pardon will be for the next four years, is a talking point promoted by corrupt and obviously bias politicians many of whom bad mouth cops on the regular, and now it will be just one more issue the Republican/Maga party will have to deal with.

To sum all of that up above in a few simple words... Fuck any Liberal Piece of Shit Democrat Politician, Media Organization, or Deranged Civilian out there who now comes forward in some politically motivated support of Cops. The real Cops on the street see through their bullshit, and our job and life will be just fine without their false rage and support.

I can understand this position.

Those that went to far shouldn't have been pardoned, but they were.
People all of the sudden being supportive of law enforcement when it fits a political agenda are scum.

Im worried about unlimited blanket pardon ability the office holds regardless of who is in it. Time to reel it in.
Id like for the president to support and be supported by the police, Im concerned about how this is going to go.

 

[530RL]

Go look it up, you're the master of copy pasting links from big government web sites

That “story” doesn’t fit the facts of any case which is my point.

It is made up similar to your statement that all media has accused all 1500 people of assaulting law enforcement, another complete lie, but a necessary lie to justify your position that assaulting law enforcement should be acceptable and excused.

 

[regor]

I can understand this position.

Those that went to far shouldn't have been pardoned, but they were.
People all of the sudden being supportive of law enforcement when it fits a political agenda are scum.

Im worried about unlimited blanket pardon ability the office holds regardless of who is in it. Time to reel it in.
Id like for the president to support and be supported by the police, Im concerned about how this is going to go.

So you expect Trump not to after Joey opened Pandora's box?

 

[Uncle Dave]

So you expect Trump not to after Joey opened Pandora's box?

No. I expect full tit for tat.

I expect this problem to get worse and worse over time with each successive admin driving us further and further part.

 

[regor]

No. I expect full tit for tat.

I expect this problem to get worse and worse over time with each successive admin driving us further and further part.

Exactly

It's unfortunate, but when dealing with a corrupt Uni-Party government, it was expected.

The gloves are now off and all the fools and marxist's in sheep clothing who cry and moan about staying above the fray/protecting the state muscle, well they can fuck off. This is a war and we intend to fight it.

 

[was thatguy]

That “story” doesn’t fit the facts of any case which is my point.

It is made up similar to your statement that all media has accused all 1500 people of assaulting law enforcement, another complete lie, but a necessary lie to justify your position that assaulting law enforcement should be acceptable and excused.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Exactly

It's unfortunate, but when dealing with a corrupt Uni-Party government, it was expected.

The gloves are now off and all the fools and marxist's in sheep clothing who cry and moan about staying above the fray/protecting the state muscle, well they can fuck off. This is a war and we intend to fight it.

I understand that position as well.

I dont see how not being selective about pardoning was the better of the two possible choices.

Instead of more tit for tat, it seems a missed opportunity to take a higher ground.

 

[regor]

I understand that position as well.

I dont see how not being selective about pardoning was the better of the two possible choices.

Instead of more tit for tat, it seems a missed opportunity to take a higher ground.

Where's the higher ground gotten the Republican party over the last 15 years? The base clearly wants a fighter, not a spineless coward controlled by the Uni-Party who continues the status-quo.

The Uni-Party went full Marxist for the most part on our asses over the last 4 years. The R candidate ran on payback, along with a complete reset back to common sense and won in a landslide. The people spoke and he's delivering.

 

[Smitty7]

They let the Genie out of the bottle not us . Queers , dykes , fags , homos , lezzies , trannys , gays , PEDOS been looting robbing assaulting running around in the streets partying it up calling you racist fuckin each other in the ass for 4 years . Fuckin partys over . Now the genies out of the bottle it never goes back . Some bodies gotta deal with it .

 

[Racey]

That “story” doesn’t fit the facts of any case which is my point.

It is made up similar to your statement that all media has accused all 1500 people of assaulting law enforcement, another complete lie, but a necessary lie to justify your position that assaulting law enforcement should be acceptable and excused.

Wrong

 

[Uncle Dave]

Where's the higher ground gotten the Republican party over the last 15 years? The base clearly wants a fighter, not a spineless coward controlled by the Uni-Party who continues the status-quo.

A super simple move would have improved relationship with the Police instead of straining it.

We can agree to disagree which move would have been better for the party.

 

[regor]

A super simple move would have improved relationship with the Police instead of straining it.

We can agree to disagree which move would have been better for the party.

Did you read @t&y 's response?

Our relations with LEO are just fine and any of them with half a brain KNOWS which side supports them.

Come on UD, this is gunna end like the vaccine pom pomming.....................

 

[samsah33]

I understand that position as well.

I dont see how not being selective about pardoning was the better of the two possible choices.

Instead of more tit for tat, it seems a missed opportunity to take a higher ground.

Biden gave blanket immunity to the members of the J6 committee and their staff and the DC/Capitol police. Trump gave blanket pardons to the J6 Protest prisoners.

You can view it as tit for tat. Conversely, I view the immunity as a tacit admission from the Biden administration that the process was flawed, opaque, and possibly not 100% within the constraints of the justice system. This would mean that the downstream convictions obtained by a flawed, opaque and possibly illegal process were fruit of the poisonous tree, thereby compelling the pardons.

Sure, some people acted violently towards the police and should be punished for their behavior, but I don't think keeping them in jail for 4+ more years while we try to get our house in order and find out the truth would be an appropriate response to an admittedly flawed, opaque, and and possibly illegal process, especially after evidence is conveniently misplaced or accidentally destroyed and investigations are routinely stonewalled.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Did you read @t&y 's response?

Our relations with LEO are just fine and any of them with half a brain KNOWS which side supports them.

Come on UD, this is gunna end like the vaccine pom pomming.....................

Yes.

(paraphrasing) T&Y said he wish Trump wouldn't have blanket pardoned the group who attacked the police, but he'll live with it after the fact.

I really didn't follow the Jan 6 thing and knew I get a good readers digest version here.

Historically we've always been able to disagree without being disagreeable.

I'm aware as an Eisenhower (moderate) republican I don't fit here, but enjoy the discourse occasionally from afar.

 

[RitcheyRch]

An aide to Speaker Johnson reportedly urged Republicans against subpoenaing January 6 ‘star witness’ Cassidy Hutchinson last June as part of their investigation into J6 to prevent the release of sexually explicit texts that lawmakers sent her, according to the Washington Post.

WaPo’s report comes as GOP-led House Committees are preparing to launch a new investigation into members of the January 6 Committee even though Biden pardoned all of them before leaving office.

Lawmakers are gearing up to issue subpoenas to January 6 Committee members and possibly witnesses such as Cassidy Hutchinson.

What? New Report Claims Lawmakers Allegedly Sent J6 'Star Witness' Cassidy Hutchinson Sexually Explicit Texts, Asked Her For Sexual Favors - Rep. Loudermilk Responds | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

Alarming allegations have emerged regarding Cassidy Hutchinson, a key January 6 witness, as lawmakers face scrutiny over inappropriate requests. The implications for the ongoing investigation are significant. Read more for the full story.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[regor]

Yes.

T&Y said he wish Trump wouldn't have pardoned the group who attacked the police, but he'll live with it after the fact.

I really didn't follow the Jan 6 thing and knew I get a good readers digest version.

Historically we've always been able to disagree without being disagreeable.

I'm aware as an Eisenhower republican I dont fit here.

You always fit here, just be prepared to defend your position as you always do. This forum is better for it.

 

[SNiC Jet]

I dont see how not being selective about pardoning was the better of the two possible choices.

Good point......but it is hard or near impossible to "be selective" and fair with these pardons when the the vast majority of the evidence has been destroyed. Destroying evidence has consequences as some of the guilty will "set free".....which is a far better choice than to have innocent people serving time for crimes they did not commit.

The J6 committee members are the ones at fault here.

 

[500bbc]

So tit for tat.

Does the local police union have a position this?

How else will they be stopped?

Another Welcome Back!

 

[Uncle Dave]

You always fit here, just be prepared to defend your position as you always do. This forum is better for it.

Thanks,

As much as I love watching DEI's demise and totally get- "burn it all down."

I don't want to stand in the way of anyones using rant, but I just dont think that the best path even if it feels good at the moment.

I'm around - too damm busy most of the time to come to the digital campfire.

 

[Uncle Dave]

How else will they be stopped?

Another Welcome Back!

- by winning them over to our side.


I been scarce everywhere.
" Be the CEO they said! "It will be great they said!"
Never been more bittersweet over a "promotion", the last 5 years have been the hardest of my adult life.
Very very hard job. 200 peeps on my shoulders.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Biden gave blanket immunity to the members of the J6 committee and their staff and the DC/Capitol police. Trump gave blanket pardons to the J6 Protest prisoners.

You can view it as tit for tat. Conversely, I view the immunity as a tacit admission from the Biden administration that the process was flawed, opaque, and possibly not 100% within the constraints of the justice system. This would mean that the downstream convictions obtained by a flawed, opaque and possibly illegal process were fruit of the poisonous tree, thereby compelling the pardons.

Sure, some people acted violently towards the police and should be punished for their behavior, but I don't think keeping them in jail for 4+ more years while we try to get our house in order and find out the truth would be an appropriate response to an admittedly flawed, opaque, and and possibly illegal process, especially after evidence is conveniently misplaced or accidentally destroyed and investigations are routinely stonewalled.

I understand this view.

 

[500bbc]

- by winning them over to our side.


I been scarce everywhere.
" Be the CEO they said! "It will be great they said!"
Never been more bittersweet over a "promotion", the last 5 years have been the hardest of my adult life.
Very very hard job. 200 peeps on my shoulders.

We won millions of voters to our side in the last election, the principles, no.
I believe they are truly evil.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Good point......but it is hard or near impossible to "be selective" and fair with these pardons when the the vast majority of the evidence has been destroyed. Destroying evidence has consequences as some of the guilty will "set free".....which is a far better choice than to have innocent people serving time for crimes they did not commit.

The J6 committee members are the ones at fault here.

Destruction of evidence has consequence all it own and we shouldn't prosecute much less punish what we cant prove.
I dont know what the nuance is here enough to make a call.

 

[Uncle Dave]

We won millions of voters to our side in the last election, the principles, no.
I believe they are truly evil.

I think the far left is.
I know some moderates who are not evil.

 

[regor]

I think the far left is.
I know some moderates who are not evil.

Tell'em to fix their party and get back to us when they do.

 

[regor]

 

[17 10 Flat]

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Is this real ????

F...ing Crazy if true....

 

[regor]

Is this real ????

F...ing Crazy if true....

How Labeling Cartels ‘Terrorists’ Could Hurt the U.S. Economy

Isolating U.S. companies from cartel activities could be almost impossible given that the criminal groups operate in sectors like agriculture and tourism, leaving some American businesses vulnerable to sanctions.

www.nytimes.com

Trump designating cartels as terror groups could ‘hurt the US economy,’ New York Times warns

A New York Times report warned that President Trump's executive order designating Mexican cartels foreign terror organizations will hurt both countries' economies.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Racey]

 

[t&y]

I can understand this position.

Those that went to far shouldn't have been pardoned, but they were.
People all of the sudden being supportive of law enforcement when it fits a political agenda are scum.

Im worried about unlimited blanket pardon ability the office holds regardless of who is in it. Time to reel it in.
Id like for the president to support and be supported by the police, Im concerned about how this is going to go.

I can tell you a fraction of cops supported Biden. I have yet to find one this time around that I personally know that voted for Kamala. I'd say the support for Trump from a police perspective is solid. Fuck whatever some union representative comes out and says... they are politicians just like the rest of the rejects in DC.

 

[530RL]

I can tell you a fraction of cops supported Biden. I have yet to find one this time around that I personally know that voted for Kamala. I'd say the support for Trump from a police perspective is solid. Fuck whatever some union representative comes out and says... they are politicians just like the rest of the rejects in DC.

The question isn’t who law enforcement supports, but who Trump supports.

And when Trump issued a blanket pardon for over 200 individuals who physically assaulted law enforcement officers without even a cursory review, it is clear which of those two groups he supported in this case.

 

[17 10 Flat]

The question isn’t who law enforcement supports, but who Trump supports.

And when Trump issued a blanket pardon for over 200 individuals who physically assaulted law enforcement officers without even a cursory review, it is clear which of those two groups he supported in this case.

Would appear you did not read post #2681