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For going on 20 years now I’ve talked or interacted with this guy maybe 3? or 4 times?
Once was to call the Sheriff on him.
He came home shitfaced and his wife locked him out of the house. It reminded me somewhat of the intro to the Flintstones, Fred banging on the door yelling “Wilma!” :D


To give some sort of privacy from here on out I’ll refer to her as Wilma and him Fred. And, he sorta looked like Fred come to think of it.

Another time, the wife and I had the Jeep loaded with gear, kids and dogs, headed to Wrightwood to play in the snow. As we were leaving we notice this dude passed out, half in the driveway, half in the lawn. It’s night, it’s cold.
We knock on Wilma’s door and tell her her husband is passed out in the driveway.
(Only in the IE) :rolleyes:
She says “just leave him there. He’ll come in when he wakes up cold” :eek:

The wife and I wake this guy up, he’s confused, stinking like scotch, asking me who I am, where he was, lol.

Another time it was summer. We had a blackout about 18 hours without power.
I wandered a couple houses up the street to Julie’s house to enjoy the hospitality of a cold beer. She had a driveway full of neighbors, including Fred (who had apparently been enjoying her hospitality for some time) and our other at the time neighbor, nameless, the active duty RC Sheriff deputy.

Now, Julie has a pretty steep driveway.
And Fred got about half way down it, gained too much speed (barefoot, in shorts mind you) and endo’d ass over face into our gravel/used to be asphalt road. :eek:
I have to admit deputy nameless and I chuckled about it over beers another day.

To add, on another occasion Fred came driving up to his house and had a soccer mom in a mini van pull up behind him berating him for driving drunk!
She followed his ass home and called the cops.
I think that was before the Lexus, was the Magnum he destroyed.


Wilma, I have spoken with more often.
Wilma has a very loud (without trying to be) voice.
Like a drill sergeant loud. And, she’s somewhat built like one.
She walks with another neighbor in the morning darkness, no alarm clocks are needed on this street.
I can’t say I really know her but have had casual conversation on occasion.

On Monday
First there was an ambulance, and Wilma backing her car out so they could get a stretcher in there.
Then a fire truck rolls up.
Then a Sheriff deputy.
Then another fire truck.
Then another deputy.
Then another deputy.

Then the ambulance loads the stretcher and equipment back in the truck.
Then a fire truck leaves.
Then a deputy.
Then the ambulance, empty.
Then everyone is gone but the initial responding deputy.

Fred’s dead.


I’m not sure how to deal with Wilma?
What do you say?
You assume she’s going through some shit, but is she?
I can’t say I’ve seen her since.

If you’re still reading this novel... I wonder if she popped him? :eek:
 

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Sounds like Fred wasn't going to live long anyway.

IF the man thought Wilma took him out then shed have left with the deputy.

If you see an unmarked cop car in front in the next few days you'll know the coroners office report is looking at Wilma.

Aside from condolences Im not sure its time to start any deeper relationship with Wilma.

UD
 

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You might be on to something...

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For going on 20 years now I’ve talked or interacted with this guy maybe 3? or 4 times?
Once was to call the Sheriff on him.
He came home shitfaced and his wife locked him out of the house. It reminded me somewhat of the intro to the Flintstones, Fred banging on the door yelling “Wilma!” :D


To give some sort of privacy from here on out I’ll refer to her as Wilma and him Fred. And, he sorta looked like Fred come to think of it.

Another time, the wife and I had the Jeep loaded with gear, kids and dogs, headed to Wrightwood to play in the snow. As we were leaving we notice this dude passed out, half in the driveway, half in the lawn. It’s night, it’s cold.
We knock on Wilma’s door and tell her her husband is passed out in the driveway.
(Only in the IE) :rolleyes:
She says “just leave him there. He’ll come in when he wakes up cold” :eek:

The wife and I wake this guy up, he’s confused, stinking like scotch, asking me who I am, where he was, lol.

Another time it was summer. We had a blackout about 18 hours without power.
I wandered a couple houses up the street to Julie’s house to enjoy the hospitality of a cold beer. She had a driveway full of neighbors, including Fred (who had apparently been enjoying her hospitality for some time) and our other at the time neighbor, nameless, the active duty RC Sheriff deputy.

Now, Julie has a pretty steep driveway.
And Fred got about half way down it, gained too much speed (barefoot, in shorts mind you) and endo’d ass over face into our gravel/used to be asphalt road. :eek:
I have to admit deputy nameless and I chuckled about it over beers another day.

To add, on another occasion Fred came driving up to his house and had a soccer mom in a mini van pull up behind him berating him for driving drunk!
She followed his ass home and called the cops.
I think that was before the Lexus, was the Magnum he destroyed.


Wilma, I have spoken with more often.
Wilma has a very loud (without trying to be) voice.
Like a drill sergeant loud. And, she’s somewhat built like one.
She walks with another neighbor in the morning darkness, no alarm clocks are needed on this street.
I can’t say I really know her but have had casual conversation on occasion.

On Monday
First there was an ambulance, and Wilma backing her car out so they could get a stretcher in there.
Then a fire truck rolls up.
Then a Sheriff deputy.
Then another fire truck.
Then another deputy.
Then another deputy.

Then the ambulance loads the stretcher and equipment back in the truck.
Then a fire truck leaves.
Then a deputy.
Then the ambulance, empty.
Then everyone is gone but the initial responding deputy.

Fred’s dead.


I’m not sure how to deal with Wilma?
What do you say?
You assume she’s going through some shit, but is she?
I can’t say I’ve seen her since.

If you’re still reading this novel... I wonder if she popped him? :eek:

Maybe backdoor Barney has been fulfilling Wilma's needs for a long time and Fred was no longer needed.
 

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A steady diet of gin and smoke isn't exactly good for anyone...and at least you never mentioned a Pebbles or a BamBam. If he was offed by his old lady, may have been justified. More than likely though, somewhat natural causes.
Had a guy across the street from me 15 years ago. He was a drunk, and so was his wife...loud. One morning I was headed to work, and his car was in the middle of his yard, banged up, branches stuck in the grill. I turned the corner, and could follow his path. Through yards, hedges...fences. I later found out he was the younger brother of my neighbor at the river. My neighbor was also one of my high school teachers, super nice guy. He told me that his brother used to be a pretty big time drag boat guy, but fell pretty hard into the bottle. I think he ended up passing away in his early 50's, it caught up fast. He was a really nice guy when sober, but that wasn't often.
 

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Sounds like Fred was a pretty wild neighbor. Alcohol abuse will kill you eventually, if the wife doesn't first.
Perhaps offer your condolences if you see her while out and about.
 

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Our beighbor killed her husband then herself in the house, the police were there for an entire day, crime scene tape everywhere, forensics lab vans etc, if it was only a few hours that this was going on I doubt that she killed him he probably just went teets up.
 

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Sadly, he was a vexation to her spirit with his alcoholic behavior. Her spirit (life) is now free of his constant alcohol abuse and subsequent life dis-functionality. The hole thing is really very sad when one stops to think about what that life must have really been like, deep relentless pain for both. I would imagine initially she'll feel some relief followed by a whole bunch of hurt, pain and anger, then hopefully some relief, acceptance, closure and then move on to enjoy what remains of her life. Hopefully she has kids/family that will come to aid and support her through this very difficult emotional roller coaster she may be now riding. Hopefully his alcoholism didn't completely sever all family/friend relationships around her.
Obviously, by this post, you're a good human so just be a good human to her, as you've observed she's endured/survived alot. Hopefully her family and friends will surround her for a while and bring her comfort and support in this difficult life transition. When their gone you could take up where they left off as you see/feel fit. Maybe send her a card or letter offering her your condolences and help/support if/when she needs, she can read it and hopefully appreciate and accept your offer when she's ready. Hopefully she's not so hurt, angry and hardened from her life that she will be able to allow others to support her in this very difficult time. My heart breaks for her and her family. I know they are hurting deeply right now whether it show outwardly or not. You're a smart caring man, you'll know what to do in the moment and act accordingly I have no doubt.
May that drunken bastard rest in peace. Sad.
just my .02
 

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"Whose motorcycle is this?"

"It's a chopper baby".

"Whose chopper is this?"

"Fred"s"

"Who's Fred?"

"Fred's dead baby, Fred's dead"


I am sorry this guy had so many problems, but it's hard to feel sorry for a guy that only cared about himself from what I can see. Lucky the fucker didn't kill anyone driving drunk (maybe he did; who knows right?). Saying "I'm sorry", is about the extent of what I would say and move on.
 

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Sadly, he was a vexation to her spirit with his alcoholic behavior. Her spirit (life) is now free of his constant alcohol abuse and subsequent life dis-functionality. The hole thing is really very sad when one stops to think about what that life must have really been like, deep relentless pain for both. I would imagine initially she'll feel some relief followed by a whole bunch of hurt, pain and anger, then hopefully some relief, acceptance, closure and then move on to enjoy what remains of her life. Hopefully she has kids/family that will come to aid and support her through this very difficult emotional roller coaster she may be now riding. Hopefully his alcoholism didn't completely sever all family/friend relationships around her.
Obviously, by this post, you're a good human so just be a good human to her, as you've observed she's endured/survived alot. Hopefully her family and friends will surround her for a while and bring her comfort and support in this difficult life transition. When their gone you could take up where they left off as you see/feel fit. Maybe send her a card or letter offering her your condolences and help/support if/when she needs, she can read it and hopefully appreciate and accept your offer when she's ready. Hopefully she's not so hurt, angry and hardened from her life that she will be able to allow others to support her in this very difficult time. My heart breaks for her and her family. I know they are hurting deeply right now whether it show outwardly or not. You're a smart caring man, you'll know what to do in the moment and act accordingly I have no doubt.
May that drunken bastard rest in peace. Sad.
just my .02
Very well said Mrs. Landers :) this is the nicest thing I've read in a long time.
Thank You
 

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Sadly, he was a vexation to her spirit with his alcoholic behavior. Her spirit (life) is now free of his constant alcohol abuse and subsequent life dis-functionality. The hole thing is really very sad when one stops to think about what that life must have really been like, deep relentless pain for both. I would imagine initially she'll feel some relief followed by a whole bunch of hurt, pain and anger, then hopefully some relief, acceptance, closure and then move on to enjoy what remains of her life. Hopefully she has kids/family that will come to aid and support her through this very difficult emotional roller coaster she may be now riding. Hopefully his alcoholism didn't completely sever all family/friend relationships around her.
Obviously, by this post, you're a good human so just be a good human to her, as you've observed she's endured/survived alot. Hopefully her family and friends will surround her for a while and bring her comfort and support in this difficult life transition. When their gone you could take up where they left off as you see/feel fit. Maybe send her a card or letter offering her your condolences and help/support if/when she needs, she can read it and hopefully appreciate and accept your offer when she's ready. Hopefully she's not so hurt, angry and hardened from her life that she will be able to allow others to support her in this very difficult time. My heart breaks for her and her family. I know they are hurting deeply right now whether it show outwardly or not. You're a smart caring man, you'll know what to do in the moment and act accordingly I have no doubt.
May that drunken bastard rest in peace. Sad.
just my .02
Unless of course it was Wilma that caused him to start and continue drinking in the first place, and believe me Ive seen a bunch Wilmas that would drive anbody to the bottle
 

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Unless of course it was Wilma that caused him to start and continue drinking in the first place, and believe me Ive seen a bunch Wilmas that would drive anbody to the bottle
I understand what you are saying and agree to an extent but he still had many other better choices, he made his. His tendencies for this/these choices that led to this result most likely started long before all this. More often than not this was familiar behavior. People that grow up in healthy environments who's leaders treat their life and the lives of the people around them with the appropriate level of love and respect don't typically choose this for themselves and their loved one's is all I'm saying.
 

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How old was Fred? Sounds like the bottle may have caught up to him.

But then I again you theory sounds so much more interesting.
 

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These threads are AWESOME!!!! I think it was natural, self inflicted. She will be able to go scream at someone else - they BOTH made their choices!!!
 

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"Whose motorcycle is this?"

"It's a chopper baby".

"Whose chopper is this?"

"Fred"s"

"Who's Fred?"

"Fred's dead baby, Fred's dead"


I am sorry this guy had so many problems, but it's hard to feel sorry for a guy that only cared about himself from what I can see. Lucky the fucker didn't kill anyone driving drunk (maybe he did; who knows right?). Saying "I'm sorry", is about the extent of what I would say and move on.
Actually. It was Zeds chopper;)
Fred drove a Magnum, then a lexiut.
And I agree, at least he didn’t wipe anyone out.
 

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These threads are AWESOME!!!! I think it was natural, self inflicted. She will be able to go scream at someone else - they BOTH made their choices!!!
Holy cow I’d hate to hear her scream!
Just raising her voice a little carries four or five houses away.
It’s like she has a bullhorn mounted in her neck.
 

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Send a condolence care gift. Other than that kepk it cordial.
 

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damn man, you guys have all the fun down on your end of the street. I'm over hanging out in the senior citizen-ville, well accept for the new guys who moved in and smoke weed and watch football 24x7.

Kick me an invite next time crazy shits going down!
 

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It sad to think that was their lives, he was always drunk and she was always bitching because he was drunk is what I imagine.....

What a waste of life...

I’d probably send over some flowers and a card. And that if she needs someone to talk to you have your neighbors cell phone number handy....

Sad deal
 

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It sad to think that was their lives, he was always drunk and she was always bitching because he was drunk is what I imagine.....

What a waste of life...

I’d probably send over some flowers and a card. And that if she needs someone to talk to you have your neighbors cell phone number handy....

Sad deal
I don’t know that it was so sad?
If she bitched I never heard it.
When he took the header down the driveway that one time she didn’t even get up. Just told him to get up and go home, she’d be over in a bit to clean him up.
It seems she sorta took it in stride.

So far I’ve not seen her.

I know flowers are the norm, but I’ve never really understood that?
Cut flowers. They eventually wilt and die. Another reminder of death.

I have a couple of tomato plant cuttings I’ve managed to root and are starting to grow. This plant is almost 6foot tall right now and over 3 feet wide, producing nice sized fruit.


After she’s had a chance to deal with a funeral and some of the shit one deals with after losing the other half I’ll taker her one.
 

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OMG , not a single day goes by that I don't Thank God for having the foresight buy and to live in the country , not boasting just soooo very thankfull 30 years and I barely know my neighbors (and like it) View attachment 705694
That's nice! You have more trees than we do out here in my area. We're prairie land, and may even get a dusting of snow Friday. Closest house to ours is maybe 200yds?
 

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Very well said Mrs. Landers :) this is the nicest thing I've read in a long time.
Thank You
I was soooo going for dr. phil but whatev.:rolleyes: your dripping sarcasm wasn't missed. From your beauty of a reply it's apparent and unfortunate for you and those around you that you are void of basic empathy for the obvious pain and suffering of your fellow human/neighbors. Did the OP'S story or something in my reply touch a nerve with you, resonate inside you? Do you have something you'd like to share with the forum @Groper? I'm listening if you care to share.:)
 

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"Whose motorcycle is this?"

"It's a chopper baby".

"Whose chopper is this?"

"Fred"s"

"Who's Fred?"

"Fred's dead baby, Fred's dead"


I am sorry this guy had so many problems, but it's hard to feel sorry for a guy that only cared about himself from what I can see. Lucky the fucker didn't kill anyone driving drunk (maybe he did; who knows right?). Saying "I'm sorry", is about the extent of what I would say and move on.

ITS ZED lol
 

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For going on 20 years now I’ve talked or interacted with this guy maybe 3? or 4 times?
Once was to call the Sheriff on him.
He came home shitfaced and his wife locked him out of the house. It reminded me somewhat of the intro to the Flintstones, Fred banging on the door yelling “Wilma!” :D


To give some sort of privacy from here on out I’ll refer to her as Wilma and him Fred. And, he sorta looked like Fred come to think of it.

Another time, the wife and I had the Jeep loaded with gear, kids and dogs, headed to Wrightwood to play in the snow. As we were leaving we notice this dude passed out, half in the driveway, half in the lawn. It’s night, it’s cold.
We knock on Wilma’s door and tell her her husband is passed out in the driveway.
(Only in the IE) :rolleyes:
She says “just leave him there. He’ll come in when he wakes up cold” :eek:

The wife and I wake this guy up, he’s confused, stinking like scotch, asking me who I am, where he was, lol.

Another time it was summer. We had a blackout about 18 hours without power.
I wandered a couple houses up the street to Julie’s house to enjoy the hospitality of a cold beer. She had a driveway full of neighbors, including Fred (who had apparently been enjoying her hospitality for some time) and our other at the time neighbor, nameless, the active duty RC Sheriff deputy.

Now, Julie has a pretty steep driveway.
And Fred got about half way down it, gained too much speed (barefoot, in shorts mind you) and endo’d ass over face into our gravel/used to be asphalt road. :eek:
I have to admit deputy nameless and I chuckled about it over beers another day.

To add, on another occasion Fred came driving up to his house and had a soccer mom in a mini van pull up behind him berating him for driving drunk!
She followed his ass home and called the cops.
I think that was before the Lexus, was the Magnum he destroyed.


Wilma, I have spoken with more often.
Wilma has a very loud (without trying to be) voice.
Like a drill sergeant loud. And, she’s somewhat built like one.
She walks with another neighbor in the morning darkness, no alarm clocks are needed on this street.
I can’t say I really know her but have had casual conversation on occasion.

On Monday
First there was an ambulance, and Wilma backing her car out so they could get a stretcher in there.
Then a fire truck rolls up.
Then a Sheriff deputy.
Then another fire truck.
Then another deputy.
Then another deputy.

Then the ambulance loads the stretcher and equipment back in the truck.
Then a fire truck leaves.
Then a deputy.
Then the ambulance, empty.
Then everyone is gone but the initial responding deputy.

Fred’s dead.


I’m not sure how to deal with Wilma?
What do you say?
You assume she’s going through some shit, but is she?
I can’t say I’ve seen her since.

If you’re still reading this novel... I wonder if she popped him? :eek:
In riverside county its protcol to send a deputy on an "unattended" call. Chances are he passed in the night, being youngish they will send multiple deputies to rule out fowl play. Riverside county now has a protocol for us paramedics that after 15 minutes and 5 rounds of resuscitation if we do not have any change in patient condition we leave them where they were found for coroner and undertaker

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I understand what you are saying and agree to an extent but he still had many other better choices, he made his. His tendencies for this/these choices that led to this result most likely started long before all this. More often than not this was familiar behavior. People that grow up in healthy environments who's leaders treat their life and the lives of the people around them with the appropriate level of love and respect don't typically choose this for themselves and their loved one's is all I'm saying.
Yeah Wz , I understand completely we never really know what all the reasons are , I do feel sorry for both him and the wife sounds like a very sad life, I have to say though there are people who simply cannot handle alcohol Ive personaly known a lot of good decent people who went from drinking socialy to alcoholism its very sad
 

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I was soooo going for dr. phil but whatev.:rolleyes: your dripping sarcasm wasn't missed. From your beauty of a reply it's apparent and unfortunate for you and those around you that you are void of basic empathy for the obvious pain and suffering of your fellow human/neighbors. Did the OP'S story or something in my reply touch a nerve with you, resonate inside you? Do you have something you'd like to share with the forum @Groper? I'm listening if you care to share.:)

Yes actually it was a complement.
In my younger years I enjoyed reading the "Ask Ann Landers" columns which included empathy, compassion, solid advice along with grammatically correct paragraphs that would remind you of a conversation of someone's grandmother or old wiseman. Your response reminded me of those columns.
Sarcasm you ask, yes I have with great difficulty regrettably refrained from any sarcasm in my reply.
 

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"Ask Ann Landers" columns
Too funny. I too used to read those from time to time as a kid. Solid work on her part. Had something of this nature been included in your reply I would have understood your intent clearly. From your explanation here please accept my sincere apology. I took the female comparison aspect along with the emoji chosen as a sarcastic slap, apparently I was wrong, I'm sorry. Thanks for the clarification and compliment. So as to not derail the OP'S thread any further it may be best to use pm's for any further discussion if necessary? My apologies to G.C. for the disruption.
 

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I respected Ann Landers ... but now prefer the NRA section called "the armed citizen" :)
 

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I always read Ann Landers as well. Great stuff.

A good friend of ours threw her husband out on the street for being a drunk. She couldn't deal with him anymore.

Years later, the cops showed up at her door one night to tell her he was found dead up at Mt Baldy. (He worked there).

She acted like they had just told her the sun was going to come up tomorrow. She had no reaction whatsoever.

In reality, she pretty much knew that's how it was going to play out, so it was no big deal to her.

Maybe Wilma feels the same way.
 
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