The Ferguson Affect...

[500bbc]

Good job "tards:finger


From 2015



As of August, homicides in St. Louis are up 60 percent compared with last year, according to recently released statistics from the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department.







The department reported 136 people had been killed as of last month, though there have been more homicides since then.

Other crimes have also increased. Armed robberies spiked 60 percent. Area businesses also saw a more than 100 percent increase in robberies since last year.

More than 1,500 people were victims of aggravated assaults involving a gun as of last month, marking a nearly 44 percent increase since last year.

Last month, Chief Sam Dotson blamed the city's increase in violence on Missouri's lax gun laws. He also said the city's seen a nearly 70 percent increase in stolen guns so far this year.

"There's not even a law in our state that requires you to report your gun stolen, so I only know there's a 70 percent increase because people have reported their guns stolen," he said. "I don't know many guns have been stolen that are not reported."

Overall crime is up about 13 percent so far this year compared with last year.

 

[Old Texan]

Make the police the bad guys in the news and make their jobs more dangerous when in certain neighborhoods, and they won't come around.

I feel sorry for the good folks that didn't make the killing of a gangster wannabe into the issue our media, admin, and radical outsiders escalated it to. But they should have been more adamant in downplaying things and showing open support for LE who is, or was, the only thing between them and the criminal element now running things.

Sure there are overzealous cops, even bad cops, but the vast majority are good honest citizens risking their hides to protect against evil. Chase them away and crime takes over. Tough lesson but few will learn from it and it will spread to other hotbeds of crime and protest.

 

[Gelcoater]

Citizens have made Ferguson a "no go zone" and who can blame the cops for not going?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You mean "EFFECT"

 

[LHC30]

Last month, Chief Sam Dotson blamed the city's increase in violence on Missouri's lax gun laws. He also said the city's seen a nearly 70 percent increase in stolen guns so far this year.

"There's not even a law in our state that requires you to report your gun stolen, so I only know there's a 70 percent increase because people have reported their guns stolen," he said. "I don't know many guns have been stolen that are not reported."

What a MORON! Blaming VIOLENCE on the lack of gun LAWS. Same old statement, but: Isn't murder, robbery, assault etc ALREADY against the law? Did I call this Chief a MORON!

 

[2CHILL]

Make the police the bad guys in the news and make their jobs more dangerous when in certain neighborhoods, and they won't come around.

I feel sorry for the good folks that didn't make the killing of a gangster wannabe into the issue our media, admin, and radical outsiders escalated it to. But they should have been more adamant in downplaying things and showing open support for LE who is, or was, the only thing between them and the criminal element now running things.

Sure there are overzealous cops, even bad cops, but the vast majority are good honest citizens risking their hides to protect against evil. Chase them away and crime takes over. Tough lesson but few will learn from it and it will spread to other hotbeds of crime and protest.

And when challenged and confronted with the anger that police by their actions have sown, those same cops people whom we are told are tough and strong, and this is why they became cops in the first place whine like children, unable or unwilling to withstand criticism. Or they insist that such criticism, regardless of the actions that brought it forth, is by definition hateful or responsible for anything bad that happens to an officer from that point forward. Because police, we are to believe, are brave enough to face bullets and bad guys but not analysis and arguments. That police are increasingly being called to account for their improper and illegal actions with a five-fold increase in indictments in just the past few months suggests that the calls for reform and greater scrutiny are working. And to police and their supporters, thats the problem.

 

[Gelcoater]

And when challenged and confronted with the anger that police by their actions have sown, those same cops people whom we are told are tough and strong, and this is why they became cops in the first place whine like children, unable or unwilling to withstand criticism. Or they insist that such criticism, regardless of the actions that brought it forth, is by definition hateful or responsible for anything bad that happens to an officer from that point forward. Because police, we are to believe, are brave enough to face bullets and bad guys but not analysis and arguments. That police are increasingly being called to account for their improper and illegal actions with a five-fold increase in indictments in just the past few months suggests that the calls for reform and greater scrutiny are working. And to police and their supporters, thats the problem.

?
The cops didn't "act" they reacted.
Should they just let people break the law and do nothing?Let folks do strong arm robberies,burn down local businesses,etc?
Or should they bust people who break the law?Should they stop trying to bust a perp when said perp resists arrest?
Should they abandon the 21 foot rule?

Your last statement...am I reading that right?"Police and their supporters",by this statement you do not support the police?
Maybe they should put your address on their no go list too?

 

[was thatguy]

And when challenged and confronted with the anger that police by their actions have sown, those same cops people whom we are told are tough and strong, and this is why they became cops in the first place whine like children, unable or unwilling to withstand criticism. Or they insist that such criticism, regardless of the actions that brought it forth, is by definition hateful or responsible for anything bad that happens to an officer from that point forward. Because police, we are to believe, are brave enough to face bullets and bad guys but not analysis and arguments. That police are increasingly being called to account for their improper and illegal actions with a five-fold increase in indictments in just the past few months suggests that the calls for reform and greater scrutiny are working. And to police and their supporters, thats the problem.

Oh brother...rolleyes
:smackhead:smackhead

 

[Old Texan]

And when challenged and confronted with the anger that police by their actions have sown, those same cops people whom we are told are tough and strong, and this is why they became cops in the first place whine like children, unable or unwilling to withstand criticism. Or they insist that such criticism, regardless of the actions that brought it forth, is by definition hateful or responsible for anything bad that happens to an officer from that point forward. Because police, we are to believe, are brave enough to face bullets and bad guys but not analysis and arguments. That police are increasingly being called to account for their improper and illegal actions with a five-fold increase in indictments in just the past few months suggests that the calls for reform and greater scrutiny are working. And to police and their supporters, thats the problem.

Chilly, an honest question. Michael Brown. We now know the big "kid" was a bully that had robbed a local business, struck the owner, and left. He defied authority by walking in the middle of the street. He got into it with street cop and tried to take that cop's gun and most likely shoot the cop. It was, from the final story, a life and death struggle. He instigated his own death by his actions.

Yet in the court of public opinion ranging from locals all the way to the WH, the cop was guilty of killing a "kid" in cold blood. What if Brown had wrestled the gun from the cop and killed him with it......How would those same members of the court of public opinion responded? National news? Riots in the streets? Hell no. Brown would likely have been found and tried, sentenced to death and the public whiners would have sat outside and plead for mercy

The question, do you condone Michael Brown's actions that day? Those actions are in essence what has led to the rise in crime. Because LE is not going to chance dying for those who would condemn them or justify them being shot in cold blood.

I just don't understand your statement and worry about the mindset that typed it out. Sorry, just the way I see it......

 

[Gelcoater]

Chilly, an honest question. Michael Brown. We now know the big "kid" was a bully that had robbed a local business, struck the owner, and left. He defied authority by walking in the middle of the street. He got into it with street cop and tried to take that cop's gun and most likely shoot the cop. It was, from the final story, a life and death struggle. He instigated his own death by his actions.

Yet in the court of public opinion ranging from locals all the way to the WH, the cop was guilty of killing a "kid" in cold blood. What if Brown had wrestled the gun from the cop and killed him with it......How would those same members of the court of public opinion responded? National news? Riots in the streets? Hell no. Brown would likely have been found and tried, sentenced to death and the public whiners would have sat outside and plead for mercy

The question, do you condone Michael Brown's actions that day? Those actions are in essence what has led to the rise in crime. Because LE is not going to chance dying for those who would condemn them or justify them being shot in cold blood.

I just don't understand your statement and worry about the mindset that typed it out. Sorry, just the way I see it......

This echo's my thoughts,you just worded it much better than I.Maybe I'll just stick to painting boats.

 

[Hullbilly]

Darwin comes to mind.....shoot'em up boyz!

 

[2CHILL]

Chilly, an honest question. Michael Brown. We now know the big "kid" was a bully that had robbed a local business, struck the owner, and left. He defied authority by walking in the middle of the street. He got into it with street cop and tried to take that cop's gun and most likely shoot the cop. It was, from the final story, a life and death struggle. He instigated his own death by his actions.

Yet in the court of public opinion ranging from locals all the way to the WH, the cop was guilty of killing a "kid" in cold blood. What if Brown had wrestled the gun from the cop and killed him with it......How would those same members of the court of public opinion responded? National news? Riots in the streets? Hell no. Brown would likely have been found and tried, sentenced to death and the public whiners would have sat outside and plead for mercy

The question, do you condone Michael Brown's actions that day? Those actions are in essence what has led to the rise in crime. Because LE is not going to chance dying for those who would condemn them or justify them being shot in cold blood.

I just don't understand your statement and worry about the mindset that typed it out. Sorry, just the way I see it......

If it happened the way you described it, then no I don't condone Michael Browns actions at all. The problem is that I don't believe the police officer. In the last year there have been numerous unjustified police shootings and flat out murders (caught on tape) and the police have flat out lied on the reports. In theory, the job of a police officer is a noble profession. In reality there are far to many racist and cowardly men wearing a badge. Most people (including the black community) want law and order. The people who have been entrusted to serve and protect have been given great authority, with that authority comes great responsibility. This is the reason why it is worse when a cop commits a crime. Criminals are criminals by definition, Cops should not be. Why is this so hard to understand...

 

[500bbc]

If it happened the way you described it, then no I don't condone Michael Browns actions at all. The problem is that I don't believe the police officer. In the last year there have been numerous unjustified police shootings and flat out murders (caught on tape) and the police have flat out lied on the reports. In theory, the job of a police officer is a noble profession. In reality there are far to many racist and cowardly men wearing a badge. Most people (including the black community) want law and order. The people who have been entrusted to serve and protect have been given great authority, with that authority comes great responsibility. This is the reason why it is worse when a cop commits a crime. Criminals are criminals by definition, Cops should not be. Why is this so hard to understand...

KEEL WHITEY!!!!!

 

[was thatguy]

If it happened the way you described it, then no I don't condone Michael Browns actions at all. The problem is that I don't believe the police officer. In the last year there have been numerous unjustified police shootings and flat out murders (caught on tape) and the police have flat out lied on the reports. In theory, the job of a police officer is a noble profession. In reality there are far to many racist and cowardly men wearing a badge. Most people (including the black community) want law and order. The people who have been entrusted to serve and protect have been given great authority, with that authority comes great responsibility. This is the reason why it is worse when a cop commits a crime. Criminals are criminals by definition, Cops should not be. Why is this so hard to understand...

Why don't you believe the police officer involved with Browns death?

 

[2CHILL]

For the reasons I previously stated. And also this:

Researchers at the University of Colorado Boulder and California State University Northridge in May reviewed a decade of empirical evidence about cops and implicit bias. They found police officers seem to possess implicit bias that might make them more likely to shoot black suspects than white ones. But this bias may be partly controlled through proper training, and police officers appear to perform better meaning they show less implicit bias than participants from the general public.
To test these disparities, researchers have run all sorts of simulations with police officers and other participants. In the earlier days, these simulations would quickly flash images of black and white people, along with different objects, and ask participants to identify if the object was a gun. More recently, researchers have used video games to see how people react to suspects of different races.

Josh Correll, a University of Colorado Boulder psychology professor, ran some of these tests with ashooter video game. His initial findings showed police officers generally did a good job of avoiding shooting unarmed targets of all races, but when shooting was warranted, officers pulled the trigger more quickly against black suspects than white ones.This suggests that officers exhibit some racial bias in shooting.

In the real world, this could lead police to shoot black people at disproportionate rates. Real policing situations, after all, are often much more complicated: Factors such as a real threat to the officer's life and whether a bullet will miss and accidentally hit a passerby can make the situation much more confusing to officers. So if cops, as Correll's simulations suggest, tend to shoot black suspects more quickly, it's possible that could lead to more errors such as shooting a black suspect when it's not necessary in the field. "In the very situation in which [officers] most need their training," he said, "we have some reason to believe that their training will be most likely to fail them."

Other research found that the public and police are less likely to view black people as innocent. As part of a study published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology in 2014, researchers studied 176 mostly white, male police officers, and tested them to see if they held an unconscious "dehumanization bias" against black people by having them match photos of people with photos of big cats or apes. Researchers found that officers commonly dehumanized black people, and those who did were most likely to be the ones who had a record of using force on black children in custody.

In the same study, researchers interviewed 264 mostly white, female college students and found that they tended to perceive black children ages 10 and older as "significantly less innocent" than their white counterparts.

 

[was thatguy]

For the reasons I previously stated. And also this:

Researchers at the University of Colorado Boulder and California State University Northridge in May reviewed a decade of empirical evidence about cops and implicit bias. They found police officers seem to possess implicit bias that might make them more likely to shoot black suspects than white ones. But this bias may be partly controlled through proper training, and police officers appear to perform better meaning they show less implicit bias than participants from the general public.
To test these disparities, researchers have run all sorts of simulations with police officers and other participants. In the earlier days, these simulations would quickly flash images of black and white people, along with different objects, and ask participants to identify if the object was a gun. More recently, researchers have used video games to see how people react to suspects of different races.

Josh Correll, a University of Colorado Boulder psychology professor, ran some of these tests with ashooter video game. His initial findings showed police officers generally did a good job of avoiding shooting unarmed targets of all races, but when shooting was warranted, officers pulled the trigger more quickly against black suspects than white ones.This suggests that officers exhibit some racial bias in shooting.

In the real world, this could lead police to shoot black people at disproportionate rates. Real policing situations, after all, are often much more complicated: Factors such as a real threat to the officer's life and whether a bullet will miss and accidentally hit a passerby can make the situation much more confusing to officers. So if cops, as Correll's simulations suggest, tend to shoot black suspects more quickly, it's possible that could lead to more errors such as shooting a black suspect when it's not necessary in the field. "In the very situation in which [officers] most need their training," he said, "we have some reason to believe that their training will be most likely to fail them."

Other research found that the public and police are less likely to view black people as innocent. As part of a study published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology in 2014, researchers studied 176 mostly white, male police officers, and tested them to see if they held an unconscious "dehumanization bias" against black people by having them match photos of people with photos of big cats or apes. Researchers found that officers commonly dehumanized black people, and those who did were most likely to be the ones who had a record of using force on black children in custody.

In the same study, researchers interviewed 264 mostly white, female college students and found that they tended to perceive black children ages 10 and older as "significantly less innocent" than their white counterparts.

So in short, you are bigoted against white Leo, based on Colorado professors and video games.

 

[2CHILL]

So in short, you are bigoted against white Leo, based on Colorado professors and video games.

And life experience. I knew you would understand. Good job...

 

[500bbc]

So in short, you are bigoted against white Leo, based on Colorado professors and video games.

Loves gangbangers though....:thumbsup

 

[2CHILL]

Loves gangbangers though....:thumbsup

I most certainly do not. They have helped destroy our communities. As I have tried to explain, it isn't either or, It's both. We also disagree as to what constitutes a gangbanger, and that is the problem.

"Other research found that the public and police are less likely to view black people as innocent..."

 

[underpressure]

For the reasons I previously stated. And also this:

Researchers at the University of Colorado Boulder and California State University Northridge in May reviewed a decade of empirical evidence about cops and implicit bias. They found police officers seem to possess implicit bias that might make them more likely to shoot black suspects than white ones. But this bias may be partly controlled through proper training, and police officers appear to perform better meaning they show less implicit bias than participants from the general public.
To test these disparities, researchers have run all sorts of simulations with police officers and other participants. In the earlier days, these simulations would quickly flash images of black and white people, along with different objects, and ask participants to identify if the object was a gun. More recently, researchers have used video games to see how people react to suspects of different races.

Josh Correll, a University of Colorado Boulder psychology professor, ran some of these tests with ashooter video game. His initial findings showed police officers generally did a good job of avoiding shooting unarmed targets of all races, but when shooting was warranted, officers pulled the trigger more quickly against black suspects than white ones.This suggests that officers exhibit some racial bias in shooting.

In the real world, this could lead police to shoot black people at disproportionate rates. Real policing situations, after all, are often much more complicated: Factors such as a real threat to the officer's life and whether a bullet will miss and accidentally hit a passerby can make the situation much more confusing to officers. So if cops, as Correll's simulations suggest, tend to shoot black suspects more quickly, it's possible that could lead to more errors such as shooting a black suspect when it's not necessary in the field. "In the very situation in which [officers] most need their training," he said, "we have some reason to believe that their training will be most likely to fail them."

Other research found that the public and police are less likely to view black people as innocent. As part of a study published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology in 2014, researchers studied 176 mostly white, male police officers, and tested them to see if they held an unconscious "dehumanization bias" against black people by having them match photos of people with photos of big cats or apes. Researchers found that officers commonly dehumanized black people, and those who did were most likely to be the ones who had a record of using force on black children in custody.

In the same study, researchers interviewed 264 mostly white, female college students and found that they tended to perceive black children ages 10 and older as "significantly less innocent" than their white counterparts.

^^^

Well, I don't believe the "professor"...holds about as much weight as your "I don't believe the cop"....

 

[Gelcoater]

For the reasons I previously stated. And also this:

Researchers at the University of Colorado Boulder and California State University Northridge in May reviewed a decade of empirical evidence about cops and implicit bias. They found police officers seem to possess implicit bias that might make them more likely to shoot black suspects than white ones. But this bias may be partly controlled through proper training, and police officers appear to perform better meaning they show less implicit bias than participants from the general public.
To test these disparities, researchers have run all sorts of simulations with police officers and other participants. In the earlier days, these simulations would quickly flash images of black and white people, along with different objects, and ask participants to identify if the object was a gun. More recently, researchers have used video games to see how people react to suspects of different races.

Josh Correll, a University of Colorado Boulder psychology professor, ran some of these tests with ashooter video game. His initial findings showed police officers generally did a good job of avoiding shooting unarmed targets of all races, but when shooting was warranted, officers pulled the trigger more quickly against black suspects than white ones.This suggests that officers exhibit some racial bias in shooting.

In the real world, this could lead police to shoot black people at disproportionate rates. Real policing situations, after all, are often much more complicated: Factors such as a real threat to the officer's life and whether a bullet will miss and accidentally hit a passerby can make the situation much more confusing to officers. So if cops, as Correll's simulations suggest, tend to shoot black suspects more quickly, it's possible that could lead to more errors such as shooting a black suspect when it's not necessary in the field. "In the very situation in which [officers] most need their training," he said, "we have some reason to believe that their training will be most likely to fail them."

Other research found that the public and police are less likely to view black people as innocent. As part of a study published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology in 2014, researchers studied 176 mostly white, male police officers, and tested them to see if they held an unconscious "dehumanization bias" against black people by having them match photos of people with photos of big cats or apes. Researchers found that officers commonly dehumanized black people, and those who did were most likely to be the ones who had a record of using force on black children in custody.

In the same study, researchers interviewed 264 mostly white, female college students and found that they tended to perceive black children ages 10 and older as "significantly less innocent" than their white counterparts.

I have a question for you Chili.
Did they also conduct a test of 176 "mostly black" male police officers as well?
If so,how much did the numbers change?

 

[Hullbilly]

I have a question for you Chili.
Did they also conduct a test of 176 "mostly black" male police officers as well?
If so,how much did the numbers change?

Yup, because I'm going to venture a guess that these "professors" have a vast amount of real world experience.....gimme a freakin break:thumbsdown

 

[Gelcoater]

I most certainly do not. They have helped destroy our communities. As I have tried to explain, it isn't either or, It's both. We also disagree as to what constitutes a gangbanger, and that is the problem.

"Other research found that the public and police are less likely to view black people as innocent..."

Personally Chill,and I can not speak for others here,a gangbanger is not exclusive to any color or race.
They come in all colors.

 

[was thatguy]

I think a "gangbanger" is a member of a gang that actively exists to profit from criminal enterprise.

 

[Hullbilly]

Bring this back and lot's of problems would be solved...

 

[lIQUIDATEDdAMAGES]

For the reasons I previously stated. And also this:

Researchers at the University of Colorado Boulder and California State University Northridge in May reviewed a decade of empirical evidence about cops and implicit bias. They found police officers seem to possess implicit bias that might make them more likely to shoot black suspects than white ones. But this bias may be partly controlled through proper training, and police officers appear to perform better meaning they show less implicit bias than participants from the general public.
To test these disparities, researchers have run all sorts of simulations with police officers and other participants. In the earlier days, these simulations would quickly flash images of black and white people, along with different objects, and ask participants to identify if the object was a gun. More recently, researchers have used video games to see how people react to suspects of different races.

Josh Correll, a University of Colorado Boulder psychology professor, ran some of these tests with ashooter video game. His initial findings showed police officers generally did a good job of avoiding shooting unarmed targets of all races, but when shooting was warranted, officers pulled the trigger more quickly against black suspects than white ones.This suggests that officers exhibit some racial bias in shooting.

In the real world, this could lead police to shoot black people at disproportionate rates. Real policing situations, after all, are often much more complicated: Factors such as a real threat to the officer's life and whether a bullet will miss and accidentally hit a passerby can make the situation much more confusing to officers. So if cops, as Correll's simulations suggest, tend to shoot black suspects more quickly, it's possible that could lead to more errors such as shooting a black suspect when it's not necessary in the field. "In the very situation in which [officers] most need their training," he said, "we have some reason to believe that their training will be most likely to fail them."

Other research found that the public and police are less likely to view black people as innocent. As part of a study published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology in 2014, researchers studied 176 mostly white, male police officers, and tested them to see if they held an unconscious "dehumanization bias" against black people by having them match photos of people with photos of big cats or apes. Researchers found that officers commonly dehumanized black people, and those who did were most likely to be the ones who had a record of using force on black children in custody.

In the same study, researchers interviewed 264 mostly white, female college students and found that they tended to perceive black children ages 10 and older as "significantly less innocent" than their white counterparts.

I am really sick of people arguing about the epidemic of police shootings as well as how the police are so racially biased when they kill. Through November of this year 776 people were killed by the police in the U.S.

Lets do some quick math. That is approximately 1 person per 268,000 people or 0.00024 percent of the total population in the entire year. You can do some quick statistics calcs and determine that your probability of being killed by a police officer is extremely slim even if it was assumed that this killing was completely random (which it is not).

Don't be an idiot, don't break the law and you will not be shot by the cops almost unequivocally.

In my opinion this entire situation has been blown completely out of proportion by the media and a significant amount of people in this country. If it is in fact true that crime is increasing due to police acting less often or decisively out of fear of prosecution or fear of not being able to protect themselves then so be it. The people who are moaning and complaining made their own beds now they can lay in them as far as I'm concerned [emoji12]

 

[spectra3279]

Hell there have been more white people shot than black so there goes your racial bias.

 

[Old Texan]

Chilly- My description of the Michael Brown incident was from what the final investigation determined. If you do not believe it, you don't believe the entirety of the justice system. To cite some independent study at a couple colleges based on theories and various observations as proof to why you do not believe LE testimony is in and of itself, irresponsible and ridiculous.

So with that attitude, and if it goes throughout the community in the OP, it's no wonder why crime is up and the crooks have taken over. You and those of similar thought, don't deserve LE protection as you neither respect them nor appear to care a lick about their personal safety. It's not a black and white deal either, as LE is composed of both and both are treated poorly. You and those who think like you, are your own problem and the rest of society is tired of hearing the whining, complaining, and picking up the pieces of the "childish" fits of rage when you destroy your own communities and surroundings.

Ironic how someone can believe some university study with little or no true understanding on how it was even done. Use it as backup reasoning to ongoing situations that have public investigations from live witnesses. Then say those witnesses are lying and the justice system basically is biased and does not work.

You my friend will believe what you want to believe regardless. You want things to be as you see them, not objectively as how they actually happen and continue to occur. If the justice system is so fouled up, work to get a new one. But work with reality not liberal university theory.

You will never get what you want if you're to blind and stubborn to face reality of what actually takes place in these incidents and realize sweet innocent "kids" are far from sweet and innocent. Again, if Brown had gotten that gun and killed that officer, no one outside of the immediate area would have lifted a finger.....Until it came time to protest Brown being found guilty and facing life in prison or death. All lives matter Chilly, until they don't........

 

[pronstar]

That's the great thing about the Internet: You can use your Google-fu to find support for pretty much anything you desire.

The sky is falling.
The sky is not falling.
Both can be "proven" if you look hard enough.


The fact of the matter is, riots brought national attention to perceived racial issues in Ferguson. Instead of using this attention to come together as a community, it's instead divided even further, and more violence than ever is happening, in the form of murder.

What was the point of those riots again? Shit, even LA started the heal (rather slowly) after the LA riots...