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That had to be the biggest display of build a straw-man, knock it down, type of rhetoric i have ever heard.... Total skirting of the real issues, complete lack of admitting any flaws in the US's past world policies, we can do no wrong, Romney said something like "We don't dictate to the rest of the world, we free them" is he smoking crack? we dictate shit to half the countries, bribe the other half with billions, and do a little bit of both all around. Hell he even said it right after talking about Cuba and Iran, we have been dictating to them via sanctions for decades......

Then at one point Romney went on a tirade about China being a currency manipulator, they are "holding down the value of their currency" were the words he used, along with "holding down their currency", what a wise choice of words to confuse the public, when the US "holds down the value of their currency" it's called inflating the currency, inflation. We do it it's called QE, no big deal, China does it, they are currency manipulators, I hope he knows that China's currency value is pegged to the dollar, he has to being involved in any type of international investment. At that point it doesn't make him stupid, it makes him disingenuous....

Then Obama went on to say "We never seen a more advantageous period than we have today for US exporters" (paraphrase), he touted that as a sign of strength, what he really means is "the US dollar is so weak that everyone else around the world can afford to buy our shit more than they used to, but we can't afford to buy theirs the way we used to" are you fucking kidding me? we should be happy that our currency has been so heavily weakened that our products are more affordable for everyone else, even though theirs now cost us more to import?

Point being these guys say shit, it sounds good when you listen to it, but the reality is something completely different..... it's a dog and pony show.

This whole deal was nothing more than a theater production targetted for the Average American, I hope there are more people out there seeing through this shit...


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Rmoney tried to play another flip/flop and failed...:skull Prolly won't change things much, though...gonna be a close one...
 

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That had to be the biggest display of build a straw-man, knock it down, type of rhetoric i have ever heard.... Total skirting of the real issues, complete lack of admitting any flaws in the US's past world policies, we can do no wrong, Romney said something like "We don't dictate to the rest of the world, we free them" is he smoking crack? we dictate shit to half the countries, bribe the other half with billions, and do a little bit of both all around. Hell he even said it right after talking about Cuba and Iran, we have been dictating to them via sanctions for decades......

Then at one point Romney went on a tirade about China being a currency manipulator, they are "holding down the value of their currency" were the words he used, along with "holding down their currency", what a wise choice of words to confuse the public, when the US "holds down the value of their currency" it's called inflating the currency, inflation. We do it it's called QE, no big deal, China does it, they are currency manipulators, I hope he knows that China's currency value is pegged to the dollar, he has to being involved in any type of international investment. At that point it doesn't make him stupid, it makes him disingenuous....

Then Obama went on to say "We never seen a more advantageous period than we have today for US exporters" (paraphrase), he touted that as a sign of strength, what he really means is "the US dollar is so weak that everyone else around the world can afford to buy our shit more than they used to, but we can't afford to buy theirs the way we used to" are you fucking kidding me? we should be happy that our currency has been so heavily weakened that our products are more affordable for everyone else, even though theirs now cost us more to import?

Point being these guys say shit, it sounds good when you listen to it, but the reality is something completely different..... it's a dog and pony show.

This whole deal was nothing more than a theater production targetted for the Average American, I hope there are more people out there seeing through this shit...


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Don't really know enough to speak about the currency issue, but I will say neither are going to say anything bad about the US in the past, not a great technique to get elected. I would hope most people realize we are not a perfect country and we have a major "influence" around the world. They also don't have a great amount of time to really discuss any one issue. Something as important as our foreign policy I believe needs more than 2 minutes unless you just came out and something like,"I would stop jacking into other countries business and bring all the troops around the world home my first week." So not sure what is expected from the debates except overviews and soundbites.
 

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Allong with the rhetoric. At the beginning Romney was stating how economically we needed to support our allies in the mid-east to promote growth, stability, etc. Meanwhile, pulling economic aid to countries a major part of how he will "fix" the economy.

Just a typical say what sounds best at the moment, no regard for the big picture & hope people don't see it. - For both sides.
 

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Rmoney tried to play another flip/flop and failed...:skull Prolly won't change things much, though...gonna be a close one...

We'll see what Trumps "BIG, BIG" News is on Wednesday :skull
 

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Fuck obama...what a fucking joke...
 

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On lies, interruptions (Biden-style) and time taken, the clear winner was the Kenyan but if we consider class, character, facts, integrity, being informed, and demonstrating real leadership qualities throughout the debate, our next president, Mitt Romney clearly won.

Obama's best moment, to his followers only proved his complete ignorance about the military he's supposed to be in charge of:


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And yes, our military still ride horses:

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Dog and pony show for sure.....The most ridiculous part of the debate was when both claimed they would stop Iran from getting a nuke. The only way to stop them would be to bomb / invade them and both Russia and China have good reasons to stop any such action. The media seems to gloss over military action against Iran like it would be a walk in the park for us or the Israelis but this will not be the case. An attack on Iran very well could be WWIII.
 

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Allong with the rhetoric. At the beginning Romney was stating how economically we needed to support our allies in the mid-east to promote growth, stability, etc. Meanwhile, pulling economic aid to countries a major part of how he will "fix" the economy.

Just a typical say what sounds best at the moment, no regard for the big picture & hope people don't see it. - For both sides.

I guess i heard it different. He was giving foreign aid , but with certain "milestones" involved that would benefit both parties and not just handing out money. I also would call it a major part of how he will fix the economy, 100 million is minimal compared to the other cuts he mentions. And even then i think he refers to it as borrowing money to give aid.

Dealing with foreign policy can't be an easy task for any President.
 

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I guess i heard it different. He was giving foreign aid , but with certain "milestones" involved that would benefit both parties and not just handing out money. I also would call it a major part of how he will fix the economy, 100 million is minimal compared to the other cuts he mentions. And even then i think he refers to it as borrowing money to give aid.

Dealing with foreign policy can't be an easy task for any President.
All I heard was take from the rich and give to the poor...
 

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Dog and pony show for sure.....The most ridiculous part of the debate was when both claimed they would stop Iran from getting a nuke. The only way to stop them would be to bomb / invade them and both Russia and China have good reasons to stop any such action. The media seems to gloss over military action against Iran like it would be a walk in the park for us or the Israelis but this will not be the case. An attack on Iran very well could be WWIII.

I thought the "Worst Threat" question / answer was pretty bad too. The worst threat is our debt, the US can't afford another war. Other countries know our debt is our biggest threat. The point is coming (I think already come) where enemies will try to goat us into war, knowing / watching the US Economy will fall to oblivion. There are plenty of people out there willing to give their lives, to ensure that day will come.

Of course neither candidate can or will say that.
 

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We're fukked. The asshats have assumed control. There are 3 ways out. Conform, get rich or die trying to make things right. :thumbsup
 

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I thought the "Worst Threat" question / answer was pretty bad too. The worst threat is our debt, the US can't afford another war. Other countries know our debt is our biggest threat. The point is coming (I think already come) where enemies will try to goat us into war, knowing / watching the US Economy will fall to oblivion. There are plenty of people out there willing to give their lives, to ensure that day will come.

Of course neither candidate can or will say that.

Dead on, the sad part is, and we (Journalists, the Goverment, and some of the informed public) know this though the media doesn't talk about it, Osama Bin Laden's #1 stated goal/plan for starting a war with the US and winning it was not killing our troops, his own words, via his own "press release" if you want to call it that, was to Bait the US into an unsustainable, endless, and expensive war, with no clear enemy, no clear victory, that we can not afford, and watch us print ourselves/go into debt so badly in the process buying and building expensive weaponry, and moving troops and supplies around the middle of no where in the mountains, that the US economy and government would completely collapse on it's own due to debt or inflation. He didn't even try to hide that motive, he flat out went public and said it, and knew that the US government was so arrogant that it wouldn't matter, they'd do it anyway. So did we beat Osama or is he still beating us from the grave?

What did President Obama say was the biggest threat? i know Romney said it was a nuclear Iran, but i couldn't remember for the life of me what Obama said when i started the thread. I had to laugh out loud at Romney's answer, A nuclear Iran is our biggest threat? Iran is surrounded by 3 or 4 other countries that all have nukes, they couldn't squeak out a fart without being turned to glass. A nuclear Iran is our biggest threat but Pakistan has hundreds of nukes, and they were the scumbags that were harboring Bin Laden, their own secret service, the ISI has been accused of outfitting and training terrorists, far more terrorists and weapons come out of Pakistan that Iran, but we don't make any noise about them having nukes. We seem to give them respect, and 3 billion a year in "aid". Meanwhile Iran has no nukes, and we cripple their country with sanctions so heavily they can barely refine enough oil to keep their own population fueled. Sounds like great motivation to want to build a nuke to me, because it seems like as soon as you have one the US starts kissing your ass.
 
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Dead on, the sad part is, and we (Journalists, the Goverment, and some of the informed public) know this though the media doesn't talk about it, Osama Bin Laden's #1 stated goal/plan for starting a war with the US and winning it was not killing our troops, his own words, via his own "press release" if you want to call it that, was to Bait the US into an unsustainable, endless, and expensive war, with no clear enemy, no clear victory, that we can not afford, and watch us print ourselves/go into debt so badly in the process buying and building expensive weaponry, and moving troops and supplies around the middle of no where in the mountains, that the US economy and government would completely collapse on it's own due to debt or inflation. He didn't even try to hide that motive, he flat out went public and said it, and knew that the US government was so arrogant that it wouldn't matter, they'd do it anyway. So did we beat Osama or is he still beating us from the grave?

What did President Obama say was the biggest threat? i know Romney said it was a nuclear Iran, but i couldn't remember for the life of me what Obama said when i started the thread. I had to laugh out loud at Romney's answer, A nuclear Iran is our biggest threat? Iran is surrounded by 3 or 4 other countries that all have nukes, they couldn't squeak out a fart without being turned to glass. A nuclear Iran is our biggest threat but Pakistan has hundreds of nukes, and they were the scumbags that were harboring Bin Laden, their own secret service, the ISI has been accused of outfitting and training terrorists, far more terrorists and weapons come out of Pakistan that Iran, but we don't make any noise about them having nukes. We seem to give them respect, and 3 billion a year in "aid". Meanwhile Iran has no nukes, and we cripple their country with sanctions so heavily they can barely refine enough oil to keep their own population fueled. Sounds like great motivation to want to build a nuke to me, because it seems like as soon as you have one the US starts kissing your ass.

Yep, you guys are dead on.......Why is it that 3 dummies posting on RDP can see this but 99.9% of the media and general public can't? My long standing argument with my friends / family against the Iraq / Afghanistan wars has always been " even if Afghanistan was turned into disneyland you still have 15 other countries over there full of terrorists so wtf is the point?"
 

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Dead on, the sad part is, and we (Journalists, the Goverment, and some of the informed public) know this though the media doesn't talk about it, Osama Bin Laden's #1 stated goal/plan for starting a war with the US and winning it was not killing our troops, his own words, via his own "press release" if you want to call it that, was to Bait the US into an unsustainable, endless, and expensive war, with no clear enemy, no clear victory, that we can not afford, and watch us print ourselves/go into debt so badly in the process buying and building expensive weaponry, and moving troops and supplies around the middle of no where in the mountains, that the US economy and government would completely collapse on it's own due to debt or inflation. He didn't even try to hide that motive, he flat out went public and said it, and knew that the US government was so arrogant that it wouldn't matter, they'd do it anyway. So did we beat Osama or is he still beating us from the grave?

What did President Obama say was the biggest threat? i know Romney said it was a nuclear Iran, but i couldn't remember for the life of me what Obama said when i started the thread. I had to laugh out loud at Romney's answer, A nuclear Iran is our biggest threat? Iran is surrounded by 3 or 4 other countries that all have nukes, they couldn't squeak out a fart without being turned to glass. A nuclear Iran is our biggest threat but Pakistan has hundreds of nukes, and they were the scumbags that were harboring Bin Laden, their own secret service, the ISI has been accused of outfitting and training terrorists, far more terrorists and weapons come out of Pakistan that Iran, but we don't make any noise about them having nukes. We seem to give them respect, and 3 billion a year in "aid". Meanwhile Iran has no nukes, and we cripple their country with sanctions so heavily they can barely refine enough oil to keep their own population fueled. Sounds like great motivation to want to build a nuke to me, because it seems like as soon as you have one the US starts kissing your ass.

I agree for the most part. The threat from Iran may be greater as they are more aggressive and could be considered desparate at some point, basically have nothing to lose. But I think the clerics will keep them in check. Ahmadickhead can't go against he clerics or he'll be gone. So in that sense, Iran is more paper tiger. Pakistan, while having the bigger arsenal, has India keeping watch. Basically the regions version of the Cold War Soviet/US era. The mention of a war in Iran was crazy, a fool's mission to do so. Romney rightfully cut the moderator off when he tried to bring up that hypothetical nonsense about what if Israel called and said they were going in. We just can't allow ourselves to get drawn into a major long term fiasco.

We should cut off every penny sent to Pakistan, it makes no sense at all to pay "bribe" money to them and many others. I liked that part of Romney's plan, to hold aid recipients to standards, but will it go far enough? Aid leaving this country needs to be cut to bare bone levels and must be made a priority. But again, the Paki's have over a 100 nukes so likely we will be held by "blackmail" to still send money. Here is a place where we should do something to get India to share in the responsibility to keep Paki's weapons in stable hands and accounted for.....And better yet get the Chinese to step into these situations. We just can't keep financing these deals all alone. Let the countries with ties to the regions do their share. China and India need to get far more involved. And that's where the next President needs to go with this foreign aid issue, make the other economic powers pay to play.

I totally disagree with O's statements that al Quaeda is neutered. Their 2nd behind bin Laden, the Egyptian DR, is still out there and the loose knit organization still has plenty of recruits working. Like cockroaches and fire ants, they will never be completely wiped out and we are foolish to think we can pin them down anywhere in significant enough numbers to ever really harm them. But as mentioned we are fools to keep spending huge military dollars trying to do just that.
 

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I agree for the most part. The threat from Iran may be greater as they are more aggressive and could be considered desparate at some point, basically have nothing to lose. But I think the clerics will keep them in check. Ahmadickhead can't go against he clerics or he'll be gone. So in that sense, Iran is more paper tiger. Pakistan, while having the bigger arsenal, has India keeping watch. Basically the regions version of the Cold War Soviet/US era. The mention of a war in Iran was crazy, a fool's mission to do so. Romney rightfully cut the moderator off when he tried to bring up that hypothetical nonsense about what if Israel called and said they were going in. We just can't allow ourselves to get drawn into a major long term fiasco.

We should cut off every penny sent to Pakistan, it makes no sense at all to pay "bribe" money to them and many others. I liked that part of Romney's plan, to hold aid recipients to standards, but will it go far enough? Aid leaving this country needs to be cut to bare bone levels and must be made a priority. But again, the Paki's have over a 100 nukes so likely we will be held by "blackmail" to still send money. Here is a place where we should do something to get India to share in the responsibility to keep Paki's weapons in stable hands and accounted for.....And better yet get the Chinese to step into these situations. We just can't keep financing these deals all alone. Let the countries with ties to the regions do their share. China and India need to get far more involved. And that's where the next President needs to go with this foreign aid issue, make the other economic powers pay to play.

I totally disagree with O's statements that al Quaeda is neutered. Their 2nd behind bin Laden, the Egyptian DR, is still out there and the loose knit organization still has plenty of recruits working. Like cockroaches and fire ants, they will never be completely wiped out and we are foolish to think we can pin them down anywhere in significant enough numbers to ever really harm them. But as mentioned we are fools to keep spending huge military dollars trying to do just that.

all very good points. I think the US should take a good look at history and see what happened to Russia after 10 years of fighting in Afghanistan.
The Islamists who fought also believed that they were responsible for the fall of the Soviet Union. Osama bin Laden, for example, was asserting the credit for "the dissolution of the Soviet Union ... goes to God and the mujahideen in Afghanistan .

On a side note. I think the debate was a big dog and pony show also. The only thing I liked about the debate was when it ended. It might be very stupid and irrelevant , but I like how Romney was greeted by a very large family , while Obama only had his wife and kids. To me it seems like Romney came off like a very family oriented man ,which has had a stable upbringing and continues that with his extended family. I would like to see those qualities in our next president. just my o2 cents..
 
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all very good points. I think the US should take a good look at history and see what happened to Russia after 10 years of fighting in Afghanistan.
The Islamists who fought also believed that they were responsible for the fall of the Soviet Union. Osama bin Laden, for example, was asserting the credit for "the dissolution of the Soviet Union ... goes to God and the mujahideen in Afghanistan .

On a side note. I think the debate was a big dog and pony show also. The only thing I liked about the debate was when it ended. It might be very stupid and irrelevant , but I like how Romney was greeted by a very large family , while Obama only had his wife and kids. To me it seems like Romney came off like a very family oriented man ,which has had a stable upbringing and continues that with his extended family. I would like to see those qualities in our next president. just my o2 cents..

I think the POTUS kids are a little young to be married and have kids right now. :D
 

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I think the POTUS kids are a little young to be married and have kids right now. :D

whatever the case may be ,but it looks like he has a very good and strong family surrounding him. Maybe I am a little biased , after watching "2016 Obamas America". O grew up in not so stable family surroundings and influences. just my 02 cents.
 

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The only thing I liked about the debate was when it ended. It might be very stupid and irrelevant , but I like how Romney was greeted by a very large family , while Obama only had his wife and kids. To me it seems like Romney came off like a very family oriented man ,which has had a stable upbringing and continues that with his extended family. I would like to see those qualities in our next president. just my o2 cents..

There's actually more to this picture for me. While the president is surrounded by questionable upbringing/associations/influences, Romney's upbringing was far more stable and predictable - if you know what I mean?

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There's actually more to this picture for me. While the president is surrounded by questionable upbringing/associations/influences, Romney's upbringing was far more stable and predictable - if you know what I mean?

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agree 100% Doc.thats where I was headed. leading the witness....
 
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agree 100% Doc.thats where I was headed. leading the witness....

You guys are making it sound like only the have's should continue to have. That someone who comes from / through adversity should not be able to rise to the top. Doubt many will follow you down that path.
 

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You guys are making it sound like only the have's should continue to have. That someone who comes from / through adversity should not be able to rise to the top. Doubt many will follow you down that path.

You have it 100% backward. I, and I suspect most Romney voters, want everyone to have a chance to earn success. But redistributing wealth or forcing the "have nots" to the top via "affirmative action" is not success in my book.

Giving people the freedom to succeed is what I want. We have too much government and too much cronyism in this country. Romney is not the answer but he surely is magnitudes better than the socialist we have now.

With you claiming libertarian leanings in the past I'm surprised you would play this card?

But, granted I did not read the entire thread so maybe I missed something.
 

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You have it 100% backward. I, and I suspect most Romney voters, want everyone to have a chance to earn success. But redistributing wealth or forcing the "have nots" to the top via "affirmative action" is not success in my book.

Giving people the freedom to succeed is what I want. We have too much government and too much cronyism in this country. Romney is not the answer but he surely is magnitudes better than the socialist we have now.

With you claiming libertarian leanings in the past I'm surprised you would play this card?

But, granted I did not read the entire thread so maybe I missed something.

great post.

O(and the dems in general) have successfully deamonized success to the point where the only way anyone in life gets ahead must have been doing it through cheating, stealing, ripping off the less fortunate. This HAS to stop. we need to start making examples out of successful people, and take the less productive in society to a position of "its nobody fault but my own" for your place in life. I would think the libertarians around here would agree with this.
 

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You guys are making it sound like only the have's should continue to have. That someone who comes from / through adversity should not be able to rise to the top. Doubt many will follow you down that path.

I was born the son of a bricklayer and I gravitated into the business until I decided to start my own company and do/be more than an hourly worker for life. I'm not super rich but I've achieved a level of financial independence that insured all of my kids would have college education, that I didn't, and I've been blessed to do more than I ever thought possible from my early view of my potential.

I don't think I'm the exception to the rule because nearly all of my clientele have the same story. Few came from households with means but they have risen above their circumstances through hard work, gutsy moves, risk taking and the fortitude to stick through tough times like we are now experiencing. Two came from next to nothing to now owning two of the largest transportation companies in the world.

It's easiest to believe in the American Dream after you have lived it to some measure. It's available to absolutely anyone from anywhere today as it has always been.
 

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You guys are making it sound like only the have's should continue to have. That someone who comes from / through adversity should not be able to rise to the top. Doubt many will follow you down that path.

:thumbsup there you go ASSuming things again.
 

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I guess bankrupting business is the right answer??? that way everyone is poor together living off the government tit????
 

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Or how about we tax everyone 100% and give it to the GOVERNMENT??????
 

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You guys are making it sound like only the have's should continue to have. That someone who comes from / through adversity should not be able to rise to the top. Doubt many will follow you down that path.

Face it aint nice watching someone hawk their house and everything they have to keep a business going,in the end losing it????????????
I dont think thats haves wanting have nots to not make it????????
 

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While the president is surrounded by questionable upbringing /influences, Romney's upbringing was far more stable and predictable


You guys are reading far too much into it. My only point is this country was founded on the premise that we are all created equal & have equal opportunity. Condemming someone for "questionable upringing" as a arguement for not being qualified goes against what America stands for.


Plenty of good arguements against O, this isn't one of them.
 

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You guys are reading far too much into it. My only point is this country was founded on the premise that we are all created equal & have equal opportunity. Condemming someone for "questionable upringing" as a arguement for not being qualified goes against what America stands for.


Plenty of good arguements against O, this isn't one of them.

Face my original post might be bias do to watching the "2016 Obama" movie this weekend. Maybe I am a little spooked by this movie or all of these conspiracies out there. But If any of that movie is halfway true, I would not want a guy like that in the Whitehouse especially in these trying times. I would not want to take any chances at all. To me I rather have a "Rich" business man in the house that has had good influential people around him growing up that know what a healthy "Capitalist" country is. Maybe that movie is all BS, but I rather not chance my country cause of it......
 

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You guys are reading far too much into it. My only point is this country was founded on the premise that we are all created equal & have equal opportunity. Condemming someone for "questionable upringing" as a arguement for not being qualified goes against what America stands for.


Plenty of good arguements against O, this isn't one of them.


Being created equal has noting to do with who you choose to associate with in your life. I don't think anyone here was referring to his early childhood upbringing but rather to his social and political upbringing and growth. I believe the point was that Romney has chosen to surround himself with much less nefarious people than Obomination has. Just read about a few of these fine people he has been known to associate with:

http://veruspolitics.wordpress.com/2009/02/04/should-we-be-surprised/
 

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This new forum photo deal sucks ass. I don't know why it shrank my image so small. Sorry:thumbsdown
 

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Being created equal has noting to do with who you choose to associate with in your life. I don't think anyone here was referring to his early childhood upbringing but rather to his social and political upbringing and growth. I believe the point was that Romney has chosen to surround himself with much less nefarious people than Obomination has. Just read about a few of these fine people he has been known to associate with:

http://veruspolitics.wordpress.com/2009/02/04/should-we-be-surprised/

after watching the movie "2016 Obama" , you start wondering if his childhood upbringing did not mold who he has become as a man today. A child is very impressionable growing up in his surroundings. Movie makes it seem like he was influenced by his mother,whom she was taught anti colonialism by Baracks birth father. If you have not seen the movie yet, it gets you wondering. Or maybe I have just become a right wing nut job.
 

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I thought the same thing after watching 2016

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great post.

O(and the dems in general) have successfully deamonized success to the point where the only way anyone in life gets ahead must have been doing it through cheating, stealing, ripping off the less fortunate. This HAS to stop. we need to start making examples out of successful people, and take the less productive in society to a position of "its nobody fault but my own" for your place in life. I would think the libertarians around here would agree with this.
As a libertatian, a small business owner, and a student who took Poli Sci in college, I agree 100%.
 

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Condemming someone for "questionable upringing" as a arguement for not being qualified goes against what America stands for.

First thing I noticed is that you missed the words "associations and influences" when mentioning upbringing. Are you saying those don't matter?
I believe it completely defines everything about this fraud in office.
 

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after watching the movie "2016 Obama" , you start wondering if his childhood upbringing did not mold who he has become as a man today. A child is very impressionable growing up in his surroundings. Movie makes it seem like he was influenced by his mother,whom she was taught anti colonialism by Baracks birth father. If you have not seen the movie yet, it gets you wondering. Or maybe I have just become a right wing nut job.

What gets me is all the information from O-2016 was from public sources. No one vetted this guy out and alot of the info has been scrubbed from the internet. I've been chasing it since '08 and most of what I've tried to convey on the forums was ignored or mocked as conspiracy. The Lib media and the country's general mindset is these things don't happen here and it'll lways be businees as usual. Ups and downs and overall we'll always keep going......Well guess the f--k what, it ain't businessas usual and apathy has the ship taking on water faster and faster. This election is the one last chance to get the pumps running or this guy will take the country down faster than the Titanic in the next 4.....

I've not seen the movie but my daughter and others who have seen it tell me they couldn't believe how much of the movie's content I've told them about prior. Why haven't more of folks researched this fraud?????? We know more about he Kardashians than Obama's roots......:rolleyes

Wake up America, the boogie man is real and he's got friends like Bill Auers and others who've been working ovetime behind the scenes.
 

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This whole deal was nothing more than a theater production targetted for the Average American, I hope there are more people out there seeing through this shit...


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See through it? HA. to many are eating this shit it up like chocolate with eyes completely closed.
Just look at how far off this thread has gone. 4-5 posts with significance. The rest spiralled off into the sunset. As I said before, fuhkd.
 
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