The Boyz have been busy!!

[spectra3279]

If it happens everyday, it's not newsworthy.
If a day went by and someone didn't get killed in Chicago, THAT would be newsworthy.

Here's a litmus test:
Dog bites man. Not newsworthy.
Man bites dog. Newsworthy.

The shear numbers are news worthy though. It doesn't have to be everyday, it would shed some light if it was just a weekly tally on national news

 

[was thatguy]

If it happens everyday, it's not newsworthy.
If a day went by and someone didn't get killed in Chicago, THAT would be newsworthy.

Here's a litmus test:
Dog bites man. Not newsworthy.
Man bites dog. Newsworthy.

Interesting. So if cops just shoot 1.9 black men every day the media will stop reporting it?

 

[Bobby V]

You never answered.
Did your local news carry the Milwaukee story?

Sorry missed the question. I don't watch the news. But I did see a small article in the paper though.

 

[Carlson-jet]

I would like to see the stats for a hundred mile radius around Chicago. There wouldn't be enough time in an hour news cast each day to give full details. :violin:

 

[was thatguy]

I would like to see the stats for a hundred mile radius around Chicago. There wouldn't be enough time in an hour news cast each day to give full details. :violin:

Couldn't find that, but check this link out.
It's fucking crazy.

http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings/

June and July this year had over 400 shootings each month. That's more than 10 shootings A DAY.

Total shootings in Chicago last year was 2988.
This year shows 2630 already.

Oh BTW, they dropped 3 more bodies since I started this thread yesterday.
445 dead now.

But 530 is correct about Chicago's actual murder rate.

St. Louis is the leader by far...oh yeah, did I mention that the mayor is a 4th term dem?
Incumbent since 2001 don't ya know.
Oh, and the dem govorner just vetoed a rep bill to loosen state CC laws on Monday saying it would make the State "less safe"...I shit you not.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_3650b8af-7c7b-541d-8651-685c4684c36e.html

 

[530RL]

Yet statistics show that the lib havens (Chicago, Baltimore, etc) do see higher murder rates with stricter gun laws for instance.

LOL

Yeah you are probably correct. The gangs are fighting over which corner they get to sell guns. :headscratch:

 

[2CHILL]

The violence in Chicago is on the local, regional and national news frequently. The efforts of black people in the community trying to make a change may not be in the news as much, but as I've pointed out numerous times, just because you don't hear about it (and don't really want to be believe that it exists) doesn't mean that people aren't struggling to make change happen. Here is a post and a few responses from my Facebook page. These are black folks that I went to high school and college with, that live in Chicago:

#Random: Okay. I'M gonna say it. I've been trying to keep my opinions to myself so as to avoid conflict, but I can't keep it in any longer. I am SO F*CKIN SICK of these wanna-be thug-azz punks out here robbing, car-jacking, shooting and killing people!!!!!! These fools think it's okay to take sh*t that other people work hard for, or to take someone's life, and we're supposed to deflect the blame, or overlook these acts bcuz they're teens, or feel sorry for them bcuz they had a "rough life"??? Bullsh*t!!! At some point, regardless of what you've gone thru, you have to take accountability for your own life and your thoughts. And mofos wanna trip on the #police???!!!!! Maaaaaaan, skip that!!!!! Sh*t is out of control. Dude in Milwaukee was a scumbag...and people wanna riot and destroy their own city over this ninja. Dude here in Chicago unfortunately was killed...but he was in a STOLEN car, and wouldn't stop when directed to. Tonight's news reported at least 3 car jackings, one with a 3 year old still in the car...and I'm supposed to feel sorry for these punks, or be mad at the police???? F*ck that. Type of dude I am, I wanna lay aallllll these ninjas down who have that "I take what I want" attitude...and I don't apologize for it, either. We need to protest against these dudes in the hood committing crimes, and against the people in the hood who are keeping quiet or covering for them, not just protest against the police only! Feel free to disagree with me...but don't fault me for feeling the way I do.

I feel you. It's easier to protest the establishment than to take responsibility for our part, our failures. We have to be able to do both. After blame, comes solutions.
We should be at the point of solution because what we are doing is not working in the community, in the force, in our homes, etc. etc etc

Agreed. We have to do more on all fronts but certainly we need to make changes in our communities.
We need better short term and long term solutions.

I agree to a point...yes, I too am sick of no good do nuthin ____ who take and/destroy what I've worked for, which isn't that much more than what they have. Growing up in Woodlawn I was given the same opportunity as EVERYONE...some chose the "right" path others did not...I digress...but I'm going to disagree with you when the police and neighborhood watch people decide they are the judge and EXECUTIONER! These punk ____ police "fearing" for their lives when someone is running AWAY from them is also a bunch of bull. What? Are they afraid someone turned their backs on them. Don't get me wrong, the punk ____ scumbags need to be (as my mama suggests and I agree) put in a field or enclosed area where their food, clothing, etc. is thrown at them to fend for themselves; may the best man/woman survive. They didn't care about someone else's civil rights, so why should society. Or...you steal and run away, cut off a hand AND foot. You sexually violate...cut IT off! You get the point...

I agree with most of what you said. My only critique is your stance on Milwaukee. The criminal whose death set off the riots, was just kerosene added to embers that were already smoldering. The black citizens of Milwaukee are living in untenable circumstances. That police involved shooting just set them off.
Speak big brother, it's sad that the blind leading the blind and don't have a mind of their own, or tired of the bull themselves. But they do have a higher power to answer to when it's all said and done. Stay safe big brother, they don't care about they own lives, that's what so scary.

 

[regor]

The violence in Chicago is on the local, regional and national news frequently. The efforts of black people in the community trying to make a change may not be in the news as much, but as I've pointed out numerous times, just because you don't hear about it (and don't really want to be believe that it exists) doesn't mean that people aren't struggling to make change happen. Here is a post and a few responses from my Facebook page. These are black folks that I went to high school and college with, that live in Chicago:

#Random: Okay. I'M gonna say it. I've been trying to keep my opinions to myself so as to avoid conflict, but I can't keep it in any longer. I am SO F*CKIN SICK of these wanna-be thug-azz punks out here robbing, car-jacking, shooting and killing people!!!!!! These fools think it's okay to take sh*t that other people work hard for, or to take someone's life, and we're supposed to deflect the blame, or overlook these acts bcuz they're teens, or feel sorry for them bcuz they had a "rough life"??? Bullsh*t!!! At some point, regardless of what you've gone thru, you have to take accountability for your own life and your thoughts. And mofos wanna trip on the #police???!!!!! Maaaaaaan, skip that!!!!! Sh*t is out of control. Dude in Milwaukee was a scumbag...and people wanna riot and destroy their own city over this ninja. Dude here in Chicago unfortunately was killed...but he was in a STOLEN car, and wouldn't stop when directed to. Tonight's news reported at least 3 car jackings, one with a 3 year old still in the car...and I'm supposed to feel sorry for these punks, or be mad at the police???? F*ck that. Type of dude I am, I wanna lay aallllll these ninjas down who have that "I take what I want" attitude...and I don't apologize for it, either. We need to protest against these dudes in the hood committing crimes, and against the people in the hood who are keeping quiet or covering for them, not just protest against the police only! Feel free to disagree with me...but don't fault me for feeling the way I do.

I feel you. It's easier to protest the establishment than to take responsibility for our part, our failures. We have to be able to do both. After blame, comes solutions.
We should be at the point of solution because what we are doing is not working in the community, in the force, in our homes, etc. etc etc

Agreed. We have to do more on all fronts but certainly we need to make changes in our communities.
We need better short term and long term solutions.

I agree to a point...yes, I too am sick of no good do nuthin ____ who take and/destroy what I've worked for, which isn't that much more than what they have. Growing up in Woodlawn I was given the same opportunity as EVERYONE...some chose the "right" path others did not...I digress...but I'm going to disagree with you when the police and neighborhood watch people decide they are the judge and EXECUTIONER! These punk ____ police "fearing" for their lives when someone is running AWAY from them is also a bunch of bull. What? Are they afraid someone turned their backs on them. Don't get me wrong, the punk ____ scumbags need to be (as my mama suggests and I agree) put in a field or enclosed area where their food, clothing, etc. is thrown at them to fend for themselves; may the best man/woman survive. They didn't care about someone else's civil rights, so why should society. Or...you steal and run away, cut off a hand AND foot. You sexually violate...cut IT off! You get the point...

I agree with most of what you said. My only critique is your stance on Milwaukee. The criminal whose death set off the riots, was just kerosene added to embers that were already smoldering. The black citizens of Milwaukee are living in untenable circumstances. That police involved shooting just set them off.
Speak big brother, it's sad that the blind leading the blind and don't have a mind of their own, or tired of the bull themselves. But they do have a higher power to answer to when it's all said and done. Stay safe big brother, they don't care about they own lives, that's what so scary.

I'm not bull shitting when I say this Chill, Trump will be better for those communities.

They've been voting that D for how long?

 

[was thatguy]

I'm not bull shitting when I say this Chill, Trump will be better for those communities.

They've been voting that D for how long?

I agree 100%.

Milwaukee mayor is a 3 term dem, and the dem leadership goes back past '93 (that's were I stopped looking)

Did you see the link I posted concerning St Louis?
(The leading murder rate city)
4 term dem mayor, and the dem gov just vetoed a rep Bill to loosen CC laws.
He said "it will make our state less safe".

530 says I'm nieve to think a change of party will cure any of it. (In so many words)
But I am not suggesting that it will.
I'm suggesting that after decades of getting ass fucked by those who claim to be helping you, you'd think trying something different might be a good idea?

As far as chills post, I can't make heads or tails out of that copy and paste.

 

[squeezer]

snip'...Trump will be better for those communities.

How?

Be specific, tell me what policy that Trump has documented that will lead to less violence/poverty/etc for the inner city communities.


Show me ONE documented change Trump will make that is a direct solution to the problems and I will vote for the guy.

 

[regor]

I agree 100%.

Milwaukee mayor is a 3 term dem, and the dem leadership goes back past '93 (that's were I stopped looking)

Did you see the link I posted concerning St Louis?
(The leading murder rate city)
4 term dem mayor, and the dem gov just vetoed a rep Bill to loosen CC laws.
He said "it will make our state less safe".

530 says I'm nieve to think a change of party will cure any of it. (In so many words)
But I am not suggesting that it will.
I'm suggesting that after decades of getting ass fucked by those who claim to be helping you, you'd think trying something different might be a good idea?

As far as chills post, I can't make heads or tails out of that copy and paste.

Chill is just showing that there are blacks who see through the BS. I'm appreciate his post, it gives me a bit of hope that they are starting to see through the forest.

It's a challenging situation with all the propaganda they're fed by the tards & Al Sharptons of the world. They face many challenges from multiple fronts and they do have to deal with discrimination. Some is brought on by themselves and others are not, but one thing is for sure, the Democrats have them fooled into believing they care about them. They care about that time they spend in the voting booth and that is it! :thumbsdown

Keep shining the light Tommy. :thumbsup

 

[regor]

How?

Be specific, tell me what policy that Trump has documented that will lead to less violence/poverty/etc for the inner city communities.


Show me ONE documented change Trump will make that is a direct solution to the problems and I will vote for the guy.

School Choice.

“Competition is why I'm very much in favor of school choice. Let schools compete for kids. I guarantee that if you forced schools to get better or close because parents didn't want to enroll their kids there, they would get better. Those schools that weren't good enough to attract students would close, and that's a good thing.” November 2015.

 

[2CHILL]

Chill is just showing that there are blacks who see through the BS. I'm appreciate his post, it gives me a bit of hope that they are starting to see through the forest.

It's a challenging situation with all the propaganda they're fed by the tards & Al Sharptons of the world. They face many challenges from multiple fronts and they do have to deal with discrimination. Some is brought on by themselves and others are not, but one thing is for sure, the Democrats have them fooled into believing they care about them. They care about that time they spend in the voting booth and that is it! :thumbsdown

Keep shining the light Tommy. :thumbsup

No, it shows that black people can see the problem with black criminals and unjust police shootings. I could (and have) point out that poor and middle class white people continue to vote Republican against their own best interest, but I digress...

 

[squeezer]

School Choice.

?Competition is why I'm very much in favor of school choice. Let schools compete for kids. I guarantee that if you forced schools to get better or close because parents didn't want to enroll their kids there, they would get better. Those schools that weren't good enough to attract students would close, and that's a good thing.? November 2015.

Of the weak-assed BS things I was expecting you to come up with you exceeded expectations on this one.

Closing inner city schools, schools that are the only semi: safe/reliable/positive-influence that some kids ever have is a solution????

How about FUND the inner city schools, make them fucking palaces that kids fight to go to. Bring back shop classes, PE classes, music, arts, etc etc...



Still safely not voting for Trump.

NEXT!

 

[regor]

Of the weak-assed BS things I was expecting you to come up with you exceeded expectations on this one.

Closing inner city schools, schools that are the only semi: safe/reliable/positive-influence that some kids ever have is a solution????

How about FUND the inner city schools, make them fucking palaces that kids fight to go to. Bring back shop classes, PE classes, music, arts, etc etc...



Still safely not voting for Trump.

NEXT!

Of course, the Tard solution.........................throw more money at it! :thumbsup


You fucking union backing whores are a bunch of bitches, but I expected that from you Squeegee.

 

[was thatguy]

No, it shows that black people can see the problem with black criminals and unjust police shootings. I could (and have) point out that poor and middle class white people continue to vote Republican against their own best interest, but I digress...

So if poor white people vote dem they will...still be poor, but with higher crime?

Or are you saying that blacks continuing voting dem will...oh forget it, like I said, I can't make heads or tails out of it.

 

[regor]

No, it shows that black people can see the problem with black criminals and unjust police shootings. I could (and have) point out that poor and middle class white people continue to vote Republican against their own best interest, but I digress...

Are there unjust police shootings Chill? Of course, but when you're done crying about thugs getting blasted, maybe your community will get somewhere. :thumbsup

 

[2CHILL]

Violence in the black community and police misconduct are very real. Having said that, me and the people that I grew up with ( and millions of other black people) are doing quite well.

The criminal element in the black community, while causing great damage, like all communities is a small percentage of people.
The problems in Chicago are a microcosm of the greater problems of this country. They surely cannot be simply defined as liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican. It is a lot more complex than that...

 

[thetub]

Violence in the black community and police misconduct are very real. Having said that, me and the people that I grew up with ( and millions of other black people) are doing quite well.

The criminal element in the black community, while causing great damage, like all communities is a small percentage of people.
The problems in Chicago are a microcosm of the greater problems of this country. They surely cannot be simply defined as liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican. It is a lot more complex than that...

???

 

[regor]

Violence in the black community and police misconduct are very real. Having said that, me and the people that I grew up with ( and millions of other black people) are doing quite well.

The criminal element in the black community, while causing great damage, like all communities is a small percentage of people.
The problems in Chicago are a microcosm of the greater problems of this country. They surely cannot be simply defined as liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican. It is a lot more complex than that...

They're not helping their cause by ambushing cops, promoting violence against whites or protesting thugs that get shot.

Your community AND poor white America have been voting that D for decades, how's it going? Hell, you had your first black president voted in twice by racist America:rolleyes and you're worse off then when he started.

 

[530RL]

In a Country founded with a Constitution with the primary purpose of self rule, conservatives and liberals in the P&G section are arguing which party can rule us better and solve our problems for us.

America is not screwed because of liberals or because of conservatives, but because people on both sides, and even in here, believe that if only the government was run by their party as opposed to the other party, government can solve our problems..

Absolutely astonishing.

 

[Old Texan]

Of the weak-assed BS things I was expecting you to come up with you exceeded expectations on this one.

Closing inner city schools, schools that are the only semi: safe/reliable/positive-influence that some kids ever have is a solution????

How about FUND the inner city schools, make them fucking palaces that kids fight to go to. Bring back shop classes, PE classes, music, arts, etc etc...



Still safely not voting for Trump.

NEXT!

Never accuse anyone of posting ignorance after this post. You obviously know very little about inner city schools rife with crime, gangs, and bullying. Fund it 'til the cows come home and the punks will just steal and destroy the shiny new stuff.
Open your eyes some day and visit some of the hardcore area schools is all I can say.:rolleyes

 

[was thatguy]

The problems in Chicago are a microcosm of the greater problems of this country.

Certainly no arguing with that.

Libs rule in Chicago and the WH.

 

[was thatguy]

Never accuse anyone of posting ignorance after this post. You obviously know very little about inner city schools rife with crime, gangs, and bullying. Fund it 'til the cows come home and the punks will just steal and destroy the shiny new stuff.
Open your eyes some day and visit some of the hardcore area schools is all I can say.:rolleyes

I disagree tex...the money would be sopped up by school administration corruption long before it ever made it to the classroom!

 

[Old Texan]

In a Country founded with a Constitution with the primary purpose of self rule, conservatives and liberals in the P&G section are arguing which party can rule us better and solve our problems for us.

America is not screwed because of liberals or because of conservatives, but because people on both sides, and even in here, believe that if only the government was run by their party as opposed to the other party, government can solve our problems..

Absolutely astonishing.

My argument is that THE Government run the country according to the Constitution and enforce the laws derived from it. Nothing to do with party a specifically, just how the individual party do the job as it was intended to be done.

The division in this nation stems in large part from the idiots in DC screaming for party unity. It's turned into a big fucking game of sides. And we're seeing the results in our societal situations.

 

[Old Texan]

I disagree tex...the money would be sopped up by school administration corruption long before it ever made it to the classroom!

Oh I can agree with that to large extent. Houston had a metro school district broke up by the state board of education due to funds being embezzled by administration a couple years ago. This district had been opn probation due to all types of criteria and the missing money pushed them over the top.

 

[was thatguy]

In a Country founded with a Constitution with the primary purpose of self rule, conservatives and liberals in the P&G section are arguing which party can rule us better and solve our problems for us.

America is not screwed because of liberals or because of conservatives, but because people on both sides, and even in here, believe that if only the government was run by their party as opposed to the other party, government can solve our problems..

Absolutely astonishing.

There is a difference between "solving" problems and "creating less" problems.
IMO, and I would think it's obvious to most people but that's just me, the Dems of today excell only in creating massive problems in their quest to socialize this republic. It is their goal after all.

They see these "problems" as accomplishments, whereas from my vantage point they are catastrophes.
Ocare for instance. Tale after tale of woe from many posters here, myself not the least, yet a handful of libs say it's great.

Dems generally are for gun restrictions (although not all of them), they usually want to restrict gun ownership under the mantra of reducing shootings. They march out every mass shooting waving this banner. Yet places like Chicago demonstrate the opposite effect.
So why do they want gun restrictions?
It's simple, an unarmed populace are now subjects.

These examples are for the purpose of qualifying my opinion.
I realize that electing reps into office is no "cure", but it damn sure might slow the tide.

 

[regor]

In a Country founded with a Constitution with the primary purpose of self rule, conservatives and liberals in the P&G section are arguing which party can rule us better and solve our problems for us.

America is not screwed because of liberals or because of conservatives, but because people on both sides, and even in here, believe that if only the government was run by their party as opposed to the other party, government can solve our problems..

Absolutely astonishing.

Show me where I said Trump would "solve" their problems.

 

[530RL]

Never accuse anyone of posting ignorance after this post. You obviously know very little about inner city schools rife with crime, gangs, and bullying. Fund it 'til the cows come home and the punks will just steal and destroy the shiny new stuff.
Open your eyes some day and visit some of the hardcore area schools is all I can say.:rolleyes

As I have stated before, I am the former Chairman of the Arizona State Board for Charter Schools and my father is the former President of the Arizona Board of Education so I think he and I know a little about this.

Schools got screwed up starting when the Federal Government started a Department of Education which was massively expanded under Reagan then completely adulterated by Bush II and his NCLB federal mandated crap. Once again, government gutting local control and trying to tell schools and parents what was best for them. The end result is no one has ownership for results and no one is empowered to fix it. The government and the Federal Department of Education is the problem.

There is a difference between "solving" problems and "creating less" problems.
IMO, and I would think it's obvious to most people but that's just me, the Dems of today excell only in creating massive problems in their quest to socialize this republic. It is their goal after all.

They see these "problems" as accomplishments, whereas from my vantage point they are catastrophes.
Ocare for instance. Tale after tale of woe from many posters here, myself not the least, yet a handful of libs say it's great.

Right, conservatives create less problems with their government, like the issue with schools today.

Sorry Tommy, I am not buying that government no matter who runs it is better. Reagan said it best, "Government is not the solution to those things that ail us, Government is the problem." :bash:

 

[spectra3279]

There is a difference between "solving" problems and "creating less" problems.
IMO, and I would think it's obvious to most people but that's just me, the Dems of today excell only in creating massive problems in their quest to socialize this republic. It is their goal after all.

They see these "problems" as accomplishments, whereas from my vantage point they are catastrophes.
Ocare for instance. Tale after tale of woe from many posters here, myself not the least, yet a handful of libs say it's great.

Dems generally are for gun restrictions (although not all of them), they usually want to restrict gun ownership under the mantra of reducing shootings. They march out every mass shooting waving this banner. Yet places like Chicago demonstrate the opposite effect.
So why do they want gun restrictions?
It's simple, an unarmed populace are now subjects.

These examples are for the purpose of qualifying my opinion.
I realize that electing reps into office is no "cure", but it damn sure might slow the tide.

The demoncraps are also good at fabricating a problem where one does not exist so the can make laws that take away ones rights and lines their own pockets.

Climate change.
Bullet train to nowhere

 

[Yellowboat]

my entire issue with groups like BLM(unions do similar things) is they take a stand on issues they really shouldn't.

That's where I draw the line. its one thing to stand up for the right thing or in a gray area, but when its a very simple, a criminal did a very dumb thing and a cop/person killed him because of it. you don't need to stand up for those people, you need to actively condone those acts.

 

[was thatguy]

As I have stated before, I am the former Chairman of the Arizona State Board for Charter Schools and my father is the former President of the Arizona Board of Education so I think he and I know a little about this.

Schools got screwed up starting when the Federal Government started a Department of Education which was massively expanded under Reagan then completely adulterated by Bush II and his NCLB federal mandated crap. Once again, government gutting local control and trying to tell schools and parents what was best for them. The end result is no one has ownership for results and no one is empowered to fix it. The government and the Federal Department of Education is the problem.



Right, conservatives create less problems with their government, like the issue with schools today.

Sorry Tommy, I am not buying that government no matter who runs it is better. Reagan said it best, "Government is not the solution to those things that ail us, Government is the problem." :bash:

Your just being argumentative.
I'm saying that this shit is off the hook and there is no way a rep admin can fuck up this bad.
Yes, they will fuck up...but these libs are really like an enemy within.

 

[500bbc]

I would like to see the stats for a hundred mile radius around Chicago. There wouldn't be enough time in an hour news cast each day to give full details. :violin:

I watched a Tard politician whining about all the shootings in Chi Town claiming the gun ban just doesn't work because guns can be purchased outside the city.

The interviewer asked the Tard why the crime rate where it was legal to purchase guns was so much lower.

 

[500bbc]

The violence in Chicago is on the local, regional and national news frequently. The efforts of black people in the community trying to make a change may not be in the news as much, but as I've pointed out numerous times, just because you don't hear about it (and don't really want to be believe that it exists) doesn't mean that people aren't struggling to make change happen. Here is a post and a few responses from my Facebook page. These are black folks that I went to high school and college with, that live in Chicago:

#Random: Okay. I'M gonna say it. I've been trying to keep my opinions to myself so as to avoid conflict, but I can't keep it in any longer. I am SO F*CKIN SICK of these wanna-be thug-azz punks out here robbing, car-jacking, shooting and killing people!!!!!! These fools think it's okay to take sh*t that other people work hard for, or to take someone's life, and we're supposed to deflect the blame, or overlook these acts bcuz they're teens, or feel sorry for them bcuz they had a "rough life"??? Bullsh*t!!! At some point, regardless of what you've gone thru, you have to take accountability for your own life and your thoughts. And mofos wanna trip on the #police???!!!!! Maaaaaaan, skip that!!!!! Sh*t is out of control. Dude in Milwaukee was a scumbag...and people wanna riot and destroy their own city over this ninja. Dude here in Chicago unfortunately was killed...but he was in a STOLEN car, and wouldn't stop when directed to. Tonight's news reported at least 3 car jackings, one with a 3 year old still in the car...and I'm supposed to feel sorry for these punks, or be mad at the police???? F*ck that. Type of dude I am, I wanna lay aallllll these ninjas down who have that "I take what I want" attitude...and I don't apologize for it, either. We need to protest against these dudes in the hood committing crimes, and against the people in the hood who are keeping quiet or covering for them, not just protest against the police only! Feel free to disagree with me...but don't fault me for feeling the way I do.

I feel you. It's easier to protest the establishment than to take responsibility for our part, our failures. We have to be able to do both. After blame, comes solutions.
We should be at the point of solution because what we are doing is not working in the community, in the force, in our homes, etc. etc etc

Agreed. We have to do more on all fronts but certainly we need to make changes in our communities.
We need better short term and long term solutions.

I agree to a point...yes, I too am sick of no good do nuthin ____ who take and/destroy what I've worked for, which isn't that much more than what they have. Growing up in Woodlawn I was given the same opportunity as EVERYONE...some chose the "right" path others did not...I digress...but I'm going to disagree with you when the police and neighborhood watch people decide they are the judge and EXECUTIONER! These punk ____ police "fearing" for their lives when someone is running AWAY from them is also a bunch of bull. What? Are they afraid someone turned their backs on them. Don't get me wrong, the punk ____ scumbags need to be (as my mama suggests and I agree) put in a field or enclosed area where their food, clothing, etc. is thrown at them to fend for themselves; may the best man/woman survive. They didn't care about someone else's civil rights, so why should society. Or...you steal and run away, cut off a hand AND foot. You sexually violate...cut IT off! You get the point...

I agree with most of what you said. My only critique is your stance on Milwaukee. The criminal whose death set off the riots, was just kerosene added to embers that were already smoldering. The black citizens of Milwaukee are living in untenable circumstances. That police involved shooting just set them off.
Speak big brother, it's sad that the blind leading the blind and don't have a mind of their own, or tired of the bull themselves. But they do have a higher power to answer to when it's all said and done. Stay safe big brother, they don't care about they own lives, that's what so scary.

So now you're going to organize nationwide marches to protest the gangbangers and thugs? You, know, just like the fuck the Police marches.


Good Job!

 

[SBMech]

As I have stated before, I am the former Chairman of the Arizona State Board for Charter Schools and my father is the former President of the Arizona Board of Education so I think he and I know a little about this.

Schools got screwed up starting when the Federal Government started a Department of Education which was massively expanded under Reagan then completely adulterated by Bush II and his NCLB federal mandated crap. Once again, government gutting local control and trying to tell schools and parents what was best for them. The end result is no one has ownership for results and no one is empowered to fix it. The government and the Federal Department of Education is the problem.



Right, conservatives create less problems with their government, like the issue with schools today.

Sorry Tommy, I am not buying that government no matter who runs it is better. Reagan said it best, "Government is not the solution to those things that ail us, Government is the problem." :bash:

So you sat in the throne and made capitol decisions that affected nothing, because you and your father were unable to change a fucking thing.

Great insight. :thumbsup

You are so far removed from reality of the middle class it's astonishing.

 

[t&y]

#Random: Okay. I'M gonna say it. I've been trying to keep my opinions to myself so as to avoid conflict, but I can't keep it in any longer. I am SO F*CKIN SICK of these wanna-be thug-azz punks out here robbing, car-jacking, shooting and killing people!!!!!! These fools think it's okay to take sh*t that other people work hard for, or to take someone's life, and we're supposed to deflect the blame, or overlook these acts bcuz they're teens, or feel sorry for them bcuz they had a "rough life"??? Bullsh*t!!! At some point, regardless of what you've gone thru, you have to take accountability for your own life and your thoughts. And mofos wanna trip on the #police???!!!!! Maaaaaaan, skip that!!!!! Sh*t is out of control. Dude in Milwaukee was a scumbag...and people wanna riot and destroy their own city over this ninja. Dude here in Chicago unfortunately was killed...but he was in a STOLEN car, and wouldn't stop when directed to. Tonight's news reported at least 3 car jackings, one with a 3 year old still in the car...and I'm supposed to feel sorry for these punks, or be mad at the police???? F*ck that. Type of dude I am, I wanna lay aallllll these ninjas down who have that "I take what I want" attitude...and I don't apologize for it, either. We need to protest against these dudes in the hood committing crimes, and against the people in the hood who are keeping quiet or covering for them, not just protest against the police only! Feel free to disagree with me...but don't fault me for feeling the way I do.

WTF.... Ninja lives matter dude!

On a serious note, I hear that same opinion all the time.

 

[530RL]

So you sat in the throne and made capitol decisions that affected nothing, because you and your father were unable to change a fucking thing.

Great insight. :thumbsup

You are so far removed from reality of the middle class it's astonishing.

It is capital, not capitol. Schools in Arizona teach the difference.

Capital decisions are made in Arizona by the Arizona School Facilities Board, not by the State Department of Education or the Charter School Board.

Our jobs were non-paid, and wholly volunteer. What might surprise you is that both of us have done volunteer work for the state via appointments by the Governor and both of us have been appointed to Boards and Commission by both Republican and Democratic Arizona Governors. We volunteer because we want the best state possible for all of it's citizens.

With respect to charter schools, they receive no capital from Arizona. You don't live in Arizona nor do you understand even the basics of how schools in Arizona are funded or run.

There is no throne, there is only government getting in the way of parents and teachers achieving better outcomes. Both my father and I volunteered our time in an attempt to minimize government getting in the way and improve local control to achieve better outcomes. I understand the you think it is appropriate to shit on people who take time away from their businesses to volunteer, it is clearly part of your upbringing and embraced by your posts. If we had a throne, education in Arizona would be much different than it is today, but we respect our state constitution and worked hard within the rules in an attempt to help. Given Arizona leads the nation in Charter Schools, Open Enrollment for parents and Choice, I think our volunteer work was not perfect but helpful. We were both part of those changes to help parents and students.

With respect to your view that I am removed from the reality of the middle class, you don't know shit about me, my upbringing, my socioeconomic status as a child or my parents. For the record, I was born on an Army base, my father had to join the army out of high school because he had no other economic choices and the Army educated him and put him in both the Nike and the Apollo programs. We all earned our way from far below middle class to where we are today through hard work and delivering results.

I am fortunate that my parents and grandparents who raised me (when parents have limited resources, grandparents have a role in a grandchild's upbringing) made it perfectly clear that the only person in charge of my future was me. I understand that and my politics embrace that. I had no advantages other than great parenting and they demanded hard work, but more importantly results.

Yes, I am no longer middle class, but that is because of the opportunity of being born in the US and what I really care about is everyone regardless of race, religion or socioeconomic status, have an equal shot at achieving the American dream however each individual defines that dream for themselves. And the best way to deliver that opportunity to everyone is through education whether it be vocational or professional education.

 

[Stainless]

It is capital, not capitol. Schools in Arizona teach the difference.

Capital decisions are made in Arizona by the Arizona School Facilities Board, not by the State Department of Education or the Charter School Board.

Our jobs were non-paid, and wholly volunteer. What might surprise you is that both of us have done volunteer work for the state via appointments by the Governor and both of us have been appointed to Boards and Commission by both Republican and Democratic Arizona Governors. We volunteer because we want the best state possible for all of it's citizens.

With respect to charter schools, they receive no capital from Arizona. You don't live in Arizona nor do you understand even the basics of how schools in Arizona are funded or run.

There is no throne, there is only government getting in the way of parents and teachers achieving better outcomes. Both my father and I volunteered our time in an attempt to minimize government getting in the way and improve local control to achieve better outcomes. I understand the you think it is appropriate to shit on people who take time away from their businesses to volunteer, it is clearly part of your upbringing and embraced by your posts. If we had a throne, education in Arizona would be much different than it is today, but we respect our state constitution and worked hard within the rules in an attempt to help. Given Arizona leads the nation in Charter Schools, Open Enrollment for parents and Choice, I think our volunteer work was not perfect but helpful. We were both part of those changes to help parents and students.

With respect to your view that I am removed from the reality of the middle class, you don't know shit about me, my upbringing, my socioeconomic status as a child or my parents. For the record, I was born on an Army base, my father had to join the army out of high school because he had no other economic choices and the Army educated him and put him in both the Nike and the Apollo programs. We all earned our way from far below middle class to where we are today through hard work and delivering results.

I am fortunate that my parents and grandparents who raised me (when parents have limited resources, grandparents have a role in a grandchild's upbringing) made it perfectly clear that the only person in charge of my future was me. I understand that and my politics embrace that. I had no advantages other than great parenting and they demanded hard work, but more importantly results.

Yes, I am no longer middle class, but that is because of the opportunity of being born in the US and what I really care about is everyone regardless of race, religion or socioeconomic status, have an equal shot at achieving the American dream however each individual defines that dream for themselves. And the best way to deliver that opportunity to everyone is through education whether it be vocational or professional education.

Great Bio 530! [emoji106]

 

[was thatguy]

It is capital, not capitol. Schools in Arizona teach the difference.

Capital decisions are made in Arizona by the Arizona School Facilities Board, not by the State Department of Education or the Charter School Board.

Our jobs were non-paid, and wholly volunteer. What might surprise you is that both of us have done volunteer work for the state via appointments by the Governor and both of us have been appointed to Boards and Commission by both Republican and Democratic Arizona Governors. We volunteer because we want the best state possible for all of it's citizens.

With respect to charter schools, they receive no capital from Arizona. You don't live in Arizona nor do you understand even the basics of how schools in Arizona are funded or run.

There is no throne, there is only government getting in the way of parents and teachers achieving better outcomes. Both my father and I volunteered our time in an attempt to minimize government getting in the way and improve local control to achieve better outcomes. I understand the you think it is appropriate to shit on people who take time away from their businesses to volunteer, it is clearly part of your upbringing and embraced by your posts. If we had a throne, education in Arizona would be much different than it is today, but we respect our state constitution and worked hard within the rules in an attempt to help. Given Arizona leads the nation in Charter Schools, Open Enrollment for parents and Choice, I think our volunteer work was not perfect but helpful. We were both part of those changes to help parents and students.

With respect to your view that I am removed from the reality of the middle class, you don't know shit about me, my upbringing, my socioeconomic status as a child or my parents. For the record, I was born on an Army base, my father had to join the army out of high school because he had no other economic choices and the Army educated him and put him in both the Nike and the Apollo programs. We all earned our way from far below middle class to where we are today through hard work and delivering results.

I am fortunate that my parents and grandparents who raised me (when parents have limited resources, grandparents have a role in a grandchild's upbringing) made it perfectly clear that the only person in charge of my future was me. I understand that and my politics embrace that. I had no advantages other than great parenting and they demanded hard work, but more importantly results.

Yes, I am no longer middle class, but that is because of the opportunity of being born in the US and what I really care about is everyone regardless of race, religion or socioeconomic status, have an equal shot at achieving the American dream however each individual defines that dream for themselves. And the best way to deliver that opportunity to everyone is through education whether it be vocational or professional education.

Great Bio 530! [emoji106]

That really is a great post.:thumbsup

 

[SBMech]

It is capital, not capitol. Schools in Arizona teach the difference.

Capital decisions are made in Arizona by the Arizona School Facilities Board, not by the State Department of Education or the Charter School Board.

Our jobs were non-paid, and wholly volunteer. What might surprise you is that both of us have done volunteer work for the state via appointments by the Governor and both of us have been appointed to Boards and Commission by both Republican and Democratic Arizona Governors. We volunteer because we want the best state possible for all of it's citizens.

With respect to charter schools, they receive no capital from Arizona. You don't live in Arizona nor do you understand even the basics of how schools in Arizona are funded or run.

There is no throne, there is only government getting in the way of parents and teachers achieving better outcomes. Both my father and I volunteered our time in an attempt to minimize government getting in the way and improve local control to achieve better outcomes. I understand the you think it is appropriate to shit on people who take time away from their businesses to volunteer, it is clearly part of your upbringing and embraced by your posts. If we had a throne, education in Arizona would be much different than it is today, but we respect our state constitution and worked hard within the rules in an attempt to help. Given Arizona leads the nation in Charter Schools, Open Enrollment for parents and Choice, I think our volunteer work was not perfect but helpful. We were both part of those changes to help parents and students.

With respect to your view that I am removed from the reality of the middle class, you don't know shit about me, my upbringing, my socioeconomic status as a child or my parents. For the record, I was born on an Army base, my father had to join the army out of high school because he had no other economic choices and the Army educated him and put him in both the Nike and the Apollo programs. We all earned our way from far below middle class to where we are today through hard work and delivering results.

I am fortunate that my parents and grandparents who raised me (when parents have limited resources, grandparents have a role in a grandchild's upbringing) made it perfectly clear that the only person in charge of my future was me. I understand that and my politics embrace that. I had no advantages other than great parenting and they demanded hard work, but more importantly results.

Yes, I am no longer middle class, but that is because of the opportunity of being born in the US and what I really care about is everyone regardless of race, religion or socioeconomic status, have an equal shot at achieving the American dream however each individual defines that dream for themselves. And the best way to deliver that opportunity to everyone is through education whether it be vocational or professional education.

A long ass bio post to show how you overcame hardship...welcome to America.

I was simply pointing out that in my experience people on any Board of Directors, or State Boards have very little experience with real life reality.

Pontificating about your success in life, while claiming you made "helpful but not perfect" vague wispy "changes" perfectly shows your mindset, you are a great politician.:thumbsup

I wish I could vote for you buddy, you got a great stage presence.

 

[pronstar]

The person sitting in the Oval Office will have zero affect on what's happening in Chicago.

Chicanos problems will be solved in Chicago, on a house by house, street by street basis.

The government isn't in the business of solving problems. They simply create different sets of problems.

 

[Yellowboat]

The person sitting in the Oval Office will have zero affect on what's happening in Chicago.

Chicanos problems will be solved in Chicago, on a house by house, street by street basis.

The government isn't in the business of solving problems. They simply create different sets of problems.

While that is true, the person in the oval office can inflame racial tension. The current one has.

 

[500bbc]

The person sitting in the Oval Office will have zero affect on what's happening in Chicago.

Chicanos problems will be solved in Chicago, on a house by house, street by street basis.

The government isn't in the business of solving problems. They simply create different sets of problems.

Chicanos?

Que?

 

[t&y]

Chicanos?

Que?

Lol.. good catch... and I'm not sure it's the Chicano's that are the problem there.

 

[was thatguy]

While that is true, the person in the oval office can inflame racial tension. The current one has.

Yep.

Beer summit
Treyvon
Ferguson
The list goes on here he has shot his mouth off before any investigating.

 

[Gelcoater]

Chicanos?

Que?

I know a Chicano who moved to Chicago from Cali.He worked at Eliminator for a bunch of years.
He's since gained his sanity,moved away from Chicago and back to the family farm in southern Mexico.He had and still has a sweet early 70s Nova.I'm told by family members I know he has kept it looking just as nice as I remember.

I understand there is a steady flow of cartel movement in his area yet he still feels more safe than in Chicago.:eek

 

[was thatguy]

I know a Chicano who moved to Chicago from Cali.He worked at Eliminator for a bunch of years.
He's since gained his sanity,moved away from Chicago and back to the family farm in southern Mexico.He had and still has a sweet early 70s Nova.I'm told by family members I know he has kept it looking just as nice as I remember.

I understand there is a steady flow of cartel movement in his area yet he still feels more safe than in Chicago.:eek

And well he should feel safer.
They've stacked 6 more bodies in Chicago since I started this thread.

448 dead now, as of yesterday.

That 509 record of 2012 is going to be obliterated.

 

[500bbc]

And well he should feel safer.
They've stacked 6 more bodies in Chicago since I started this thread.

448 dead now, as of yesterday.

That 509 record of 2012 is going to be obliterated.

That's Racist!!!!

 

[Gelcoater]

That's Racist!!!!

That's Racist!:skull

 

[was thatguy]

That's Racist!!!!

That's Racist!:skull