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Tariffs, droughts, fires and beef prices for RDP peeps- it's been an interesting couple of weeks.

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First, you gotta know that I'm 100% for the shock and awe campaign our President is throwing at a seriously broken system. If our kids are to stand a chance, it won't be without a little pain on us.

As for the beef reality, here's some info to chew on to clear up some of the misinformation in the news that people forward to me on the regular:

Tariffs:
Brazil is the big player on beef for the US (and the world). They already have tariffs in place of 26.4% on beef entering the US. The "Sky is falling" crowd is dead wrong when they say Trump will drive beef prices up 25% or more with new tariffs. This is NOT likely to drive prices up.
Farmers and ranchers burn through a lot of consumables from places like Tractor Supply, Cal Ranch, Harbor Freight etc. All that shit comes from China sadly. This WILL drive prices up.
I'm not informed enough to speak to how Canadian and Mexican exports might affect this equation as my feed sources are fairly localized. Like any commodity though- supply/demand and nationwide pricing will affect my local pricing. This COULD drive prices up.

Droughts:
We're kinda fucked here. Cow/calf operations are at their lowest stocking rate in 75 years. This winter has been dry as a popcorn fart in the West and zero ranchers are trying to build herds right now. The price I'm paying for quality yearlings to feed out was unimaginable a few years ago. This has already affected prices and will continue for at least two years. For a small but well-established outfit like ours- there's no shortage of quality yearlings available to me, they just cost more these days.

California wildfires:
Fuck me- didn't see that one coming. About eight years ago we got plugged into a tight group of folks in the movie industry. That's grown organically through word of mouth to friends, neighbors and colleagues over the years. Within a week's time it became apparent just how many of those folks lived in the affected areas. Cancelations of regular, annual beef orders hit us like a freight train. Live animals with butcher appointments scheduled 6 months in advance don't have the luxury of flexibility. As if the beef world wasn't stressful enough:rolleyes:.

The good:
Our customers aren't running out of beef anytime soon. Pricing looks to remain stable at least 60 days out at $1595 per 1/4. Wait times are close to nonexistent with the canceled orders due to the fires.

The bad:
Historically, I'm about 50/50 on my predictions so take this post for what it's worth. I think we're in for a bumpy ride with all the changes in policy from 47 and it's hard to know how markets will react. All things point to increase costs across the board for a while.

If you have the freezer space, hedging against the coming year is a no brainer. I'm taking orders for late February and March now with deliveries planned for Havasu, Bullhead, Kingman, Phoenix, Vegas and Fontana.

Call or text me with questions 928-486-4043 Joel
 

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This is our latest beef 1/4 option for the busy family, empty nesters or single guy. It’s just the premium steaks, ground beef and ground chuck. This is as easy as it gets!
We still have our traditional cut with several roasts, short ribs and assorted cuts for the people that enjoy slow cooking meals.
Pricing is the same for either choice.

 

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Got a question for you, I know you answered somewhere, either here or GD years ago.

What size stand up freezer would I need for a 1/4?

Wife and I retire here soon out to Topock, and we want to start buying quarters and need to buy a freezer.
 

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Got a question for you, I know you answered somewhere, either here or GD years ago.

What size stand up freezer would I need for a 1/4?

Wife and I retire here soon out to Topock, and we want to start buying quarters and need to buy a freezer.
1/4 is not really that big. Don't get me wrong, you get a ton of options and it is a good supply of meat if you don't eat it every single day. But our 1/4 fit in one of those large 120 qt igloo type coolers.

In no way is this a knock at Fortrock Farms. Just an example of what it will take to move and store a 1/4. Their ground beef is probably the best tasting, no season just throw it on the flat top, I've had.
 

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Got a question for you, I know you answered somewhere, either here or GD years ago.

What size stand up freezer would I need for a 1/4?

Wife and I retire here soon out to Topock, and we want to start buying quarters and need to buy a freezer.
I bought a 7cu ft freezer for a 1/4, and I have a TON of room to spare. Wish I would have gone smaller as the beef is the only thing I store in it. Don't want to "fill" it up as there is always a risk of something happening to the freezer. I know two people who have lost large qty of frozen beef due to a freezer going out while they were out of town. I could have fit nearly the entire 1/4 in my fridge freezer in the house....
 

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Got a question for you, I know you answered somewhere, either here or GD years ago.

What size stand up freezer would I need for a 1/4?

Wife and I retire here soon out to Topock, and we want to start buying quarters and need to buy a freezer.

Man, I can go on for hours about freezers!

I'll try to keep it brief though:

Traditional 1/4 with roasts, rounds and short ribs etc. is best to have 7 cu feet, leaving you a little extra room to organize opposed to stacking it in like a game of Jenga.

The new steak and ground cut is safe with 5.5. We've found that the packaging is uniform on the steaks and stacks neatly as opposed to odd shaped roasts, long London broils and fat, round cuts like shanks.

Calories are the same on both, you lose about 5-6lbs of bone weight when you do the steak cut and gain a surprising amount of freezer space.

Here's the winner for standups: 14 cu ft. Do you need this for a 1/4 beef? No, but once you start buying in bulk you won't be mad about the extra space.
Garage ready for AZ extreme temps, energy rated, temperature alarm... It's got just enough bells and whistles without being overly complicated.
Home depot offers free delivery and setup when you buy online. It's a bitchin deal.
 

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I bought a 7cu ft freezer for a 1/4, and I have a TON of room to spare. Wish I would have gone smaller as the beef is the only thing I store in it. Don't want to "fill" it up as there is always a risk of something happening to the freezer. I know two people who have lost large qty of frozen beef due to a freezer going out while they were out of town. I could have fit nearly the entire 1/4 in my fridge freezer in the house....
Thank you for bringing up freezers going out.

In 11 years, this has happened to 3 of our customers. One was an actual freezer that died, the other two were plugged into a GFI circuit that tripped.

This is my cheap insurance:

We have multiple freezers so we added wifi extenders so I can track on one app. I get a notification anytime Amys working in the freezers. If one goes down, you have an easy 24 hours to handle if you keep the door shut.
 

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Man, I can go on for hours about freezers!

I'll try to keep it brief though:

Traditional 1/4 with roasts, rounds and short ribs etc. is best to have 7 cu feet, leaving you a little extra room to organize opposed to stacking it in like a game of Jenga.

The new steak and ground cut is safe with 5.5. We've found that the packaging is uniform on the steaks and stacks neatly as opposed to odd shaped roasts, long London broils and fat, round cuts like shanks.

Calories are the same on both, you lose about 5-6lbs of bone weight when you do the steak cut and gain a surprising amount of freezer space.

Here's the winner for standups: 14 cu ft. Do you need this for a 1/4 beef? No, but once you start buying in bulk you won't be mad about the extra space.
Garage ready for AZ extreme temps, energy rated, temperature alarm... It's got just enough bells and whistles without being overly complicated.
Home depot offers free delivery and setup when you buy online. It's a bitchin deal.
Nice, thanks, I like thats it a little bigger, who knows, might start buying 1/2's, or at least I have room for other stuff in there.
 

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Here’s a recent 1/2 beef, traditional cut in the 14.1cu ft stand up that I linked. Can you pack more in? Of course but this is easy to organize and find your cuts. Disassembling a freezer a few times per month to find something gets old and is a great way to have stuff hide for years.
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