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Looks like the 50+ year Assad regime is over. Any insight or predictions on this one from the RDP collective? Once the chanting and euphoria wears off will this go the way as most middle eastern revolutions?
 

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The way I see it, there are 2 ways this could go. Either the US steps in with a boat load of money and does some nation building ( something that we used to be pretty good at ) and manages to instill some western ideology or it becomes another Muslin theocracy.
 

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The way I see it, there are 2 ways this could go. Either the US steps in with a boat load of money and does some nation building ( something that we used to be pretty good at ) and manages to instill some western ideology or it becomes another Muslin theocracy.
Both possibilities may occur at the same time. Considering the rebels are backed by Turkey, and have been fighting against a Russia/Iran-backed regime, and the U.S. has mostly stayed out of it, they may see some benefits to diplomacy with the West. Their leader is making noises in that direction. Of course, that won’t mean it’s not going to be a Muslim theocracy, but perhaps with some modicum of western ideology to secure funding. Turkey has been pretty good at playing this game with the U.S., so they have a mentor in that.

In the end, they’ll still hate us though, and it’ll completely fall apart after years of dancing with us for money. 😂

Turkey is the interesting party here though. What does this do for them in the region, and internationally? Was the U.S. actually working with Turkey here, or really just staying out of the way? The media barely mentions Turkey’s involvement, and I think that’s a huge part of the story.
 
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Up to $10 Million Reward Offered for Information on the Leader of the al Nusrah Front​

The FBI is seeking information on the leadership of the al Nusrah Front (ANF), a foreign terrorist organization, to include information on Muhammad al-Jawlani. Today, the U.S. Department of State’s Rewards for Justice program announced a reward of up to $10 million for information leading to the identification or location of Muhammad al-Jawlani.
In 2011 al-Jawlani, also known as Abu Mohammed al-Jawlani, Abu Mohammed al-Julani, and Abu Muhammad al-Golani, established ANF. In 2013, al-Jawlani, as a leader of ANF, pledged the organization’s allegiance to al Qaeda and its leadership. In 2016, al-Jawlani claimed that the ANF was changing its name to Jabhat Fath Al Sham, or "Conquest of the Levant Front," which has also been known as Jabhat al-Nusrah, Jabhet al-Nusra, The Victory Front, and al-Nusrah Front for the People of the Levant.
The U.S. State Department designated ANF as a foreign terrorist organization under the Immigration and Nationality Act and a specially designated global terrorist entity. In May 2013, al-Jawlani was named a specially designated global terrorist, by the U.S. State Department, blocking all his property and interests in property subject to U.S. jurisdiction and prohibiting U.S. persons from dealing with him.
The FBI is seeking information on the leadership of the al Nusrah Front (ANF), a foreign terrorist organization, to include information on Muhammad al-Jawlani.

Al Jawlani in a 2016 interview
On July 24, 2013, the UN Security Council ISIL (Da’esh) and al Qaeda Sanctions Committee placed al-Jawlani on its list of sanctioned terrorists, making him subject to an international asset freeze, travel ban, and arms embargo.
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Download al-jawlani-release-arabic.pdf — 1828 KB. So much for our intelligence agency's 10,00000 reward. Clowns.
 

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We need to stay out of the middle east. We don't understand their culture and we are the worst at expecting everyone to want our democracy and nothing else. You can't just turn off thousands of years of culture, ideology and societal expectations.

If you want to put in new leadership, it needs to be form and function that they want to have and understand. It wont be democracy.

Also, we need to stick with it or don't do it at all. These countries seem to get disgruntled when new presidents/congress have different ideas about support and it waxes and wanes and we are constantly jerking their chain.

Just get us self sufficient and then we can watch from afar while someone else plays world janitor.
 

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Its another Al Queda linked group that took over Syria. They plan on running it similar to how the Taliban run Afghanistan.
 

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Hunter will be on site with a trunk load of cash post haste...
 
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We need to stay out of the middle east. We don't understand their culture and we are the worst at expecting everyone to want our democracy and nothing else.
I disagree.

its not about understanding the culture, it’s preventing countries that harbor terrorist and that have a strong desire to develop nuclear weapons from doing so.

Their “culture” is based on a religious idiology that believes if you are not one of them, you are the infidel, and you must be destroyed. Those people are willing to die and kill everyone with them to see their resolve. And I personally would much rather take the fight to them than have another 9/11.
 

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What happened to the concept of a nation’s sovereignty? World policing has been a spectacular failure bankrupting us and creating enemies.


I disagree.

its not about understanding the culture, it’s preventing countries that harbor terrorist and that have a strong desire to develop nuclear weapons from doing so.

Their “culture” is based on a religious idiology that believes if you are not one of them, you are the infidel, and you must be destroyed. Those people are willing to die and kill everyone with them to see their resolve. And I personally would much rather take the fight to them than have another 9/11.
 

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What happened to the concept of a nation’s sovereignty? World policing has been a spectacular failure bankrupting us and creating enemies.
What does sovereignty have to do with this?
 

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As long as Austin Tice; and any other Americans, are freed I'm happy.
 

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What does sovereignty have to do with this?
Syria was a sovereign country...not playing by the rules the US wanted them to play by. So, our government helped to fund and arm those opposed to Assad. In effect, funding the very terrorism that the middle east countries harbor. Many of the groups listed in the news, pledged their allegiance to ISIS while taking our money and weapons. We are starting yet another war in which Americans will die, officially or un-officially. Still, not one word mentioned about the soldiers stationed there, and the threat levels that may have been raised for them.
 

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Syria was a sovereign country...not playing by the rules the US wanted them to play by. So, our government helped to fund and arm those opposed to Assad. In effect, funding the very terrorism that the middle east countries harbor. Many of the groups listed in the news, pledged their allegiance to ISIS while taking our money and weapons. We are starting yet another war in which Americans will die, officially or un-officially. Still, not one word mentioned about the soldiers stationed there, and the threat levels that may have been raised for them.
I get that, but generally when people make mention of sovereignty it typically is making reference to one country invading and or imposing its own government or rule over another
 

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I get that, but generally when people make mention of sovereignty it typically is making reference to one country invading and or imposing its own government or rule over another
Kind of semantics I guess. I'd assume all the big players fund or help third party groups to screw with opponents. It can keep them looking as "civilized", by having others do the dirty work.

So no, the "US" did not topple Assad, invade or impose it's own government. A major portion of the funding and armament looks to have been supplied either directly or indirectly from the US though. My gut tells me the 75 targeted areas hit today were to help secure the power position of a leader that has either sold his soul to the US, or just watched a show of force meant to ensure his compliance.
 

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I disagree.

its not about understanding the culture, it’s preventing countries that harbor terrorist and that have a strong desire to develop nuclear weapons from doing so.

Their “culture” is based on a religious idiology that believes if you are not one of them, you are the infidel, and you must be destroyed. Those people are willing to die and kill everyone with them to see their resolve. And I personally would much rather take the fight to them than have another 9/11.


We need to try something other than bring the fight to them, and I don't mean a nuclear weapon lol. If we had to redo afghanistan, I would bring the education to them, not the fight. No idea if that would work either, but if you try to do something for 20 years, and get zero results, it's safe to assume you don't need to try that again.


People like to say the US has only left countries in shambles, that's not true, look at South Korea, Germany, and Japan, some of the most powerful and wealthy countries in the world. We just haven't been able to recreate that success in recent history.
 

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We need to try something other than bring the fight to them, and I don't mean a nuclear weapon lol. If we had to redo afghanistan, I would bring the education to them, not the fight. No idea if that would work either, but if you try to do something for 20 years, and get zero results, it's safe to assume you don't need to try that again.


People like to say the US has only left countries in shambles, that's not true, look at South Korea, Germany, and Japan, some of the most powerful and wealthy countries in the world. We just haven't been able to recreate that success in recent history.
I just feel that if the United States had no presence or went after terror organizations in those regions, we’d see terror attacks multiplying by 10 times and 10 fold around the world including here at home
 

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if it wasn’t for RDP I wouldn’t even know there was something happening with these folks.

Apparently they have some resource we can make money off? Drugs, oil, etc….. same shit different day. Feel bad for the nice folk caught in the middle of whiteys cash grab and the sand blasters ideology.

At some point, fuckem?
 

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We need to try something other than bring the fight to them, and I don't mean a nuclear weapon lol. If we had to redo afghanistan, I would bring the education to them, not the fight. No idea if that would work either, but if you try to do something for 20 years, and get zero results, it's safe to assume you don't need to try that again.


People like to say the US has only left countries in shambles, that's not true, look at South Korea, Germany, and Japan, some of the most powerful and wealthy countries in the world. We just haven't been able to recreate that success in recent history.
We used to be good at nation building but now days we lack the will to stick it out. Remember that the countries that you mentioned were occupied by the US for 30+ years. Now it seems that we can’t wait to pull our troops out and abandon the countries that we were involved in the conflict with.
We need to either commit to the long game or not get involved at all.
 

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We used to be good at nation building but now days we lack the will to stick it out. Remember that the countries that you mentioned were occupied by the US for 30+ years. Now it seems that we can’t wait to pull our troops out and abandon the countries that we were involved in the conflict with.
We need to either commit to the long game or not get involved at all.
Sad to say, but I think it's because war is more profitable than help. Our soldiers were in Afghanistan for 20 years. I don't know if being there another 10 would have helped.

As it's been said, those areas have been fighting amongst themselves for thousands of years, we've only been dealing with them for a hundred. A thousand years of ideology can't be changed in a few presidential terms I don't think. Yet we keep trying.
 

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Sad to say, but I think it's because war is more profitable than help. Our soldiers were in Afghanistan for 20 years. I don't know if being there another 10 would have helped.

As it's been said, those areas have been fighting amongst themselves for thousands of years, we've only been dealing with them for a hundred. A thousand years of ideology can't be changed in a few presidential terms I don't think. Yet we keep trying.
Nation building involves more than just having boots on the ground (like we had in Afghanistan).
 

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Sad to say, but I think it's because war is more profitable than help. Our soldiers were in Afghanistan for 20 years. I don't know if being there another 10 would have helped.

As it's been said, those areas have been fighting amongst themselves for thousands of years, we've only been dealing with them for a hundred. A thousand years of ideology can't be changed in a few presidential terms I don't think. Yet we keep trying.

So did the Russians, 20 yrs of wasted time, energy and loss of lives. Time to realize, it's a fruitless effort fighting cultures and religions involved.
 

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Obama could have ended the Assad regime " when he crossed that imaginary red line " . But he was a coward. He bent over because of Putin. So now I believe with Trump we will not do any Nation Building with any that are not our friends or allies.
 

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“Israel issued a warning to residents of southern Syria to stay home as its forces moved to seize a demilitarized buffer zone separating the two countries.”
They also ran the largest bombing campaign in their history...something like 700 targets in 2 days. They took out any semblance of remaining Syrian air assets and support. Made sure the "rebels" are strictly on foot. Smart move really. Unfortunately, videos are out on the web, and the "rebels" are executing anyone tied to the Syrian military.

There are pics and videos from one of the Russian bases in Syria, piles of AK's and uniforms dropped at the gates as the Syrian "soldiers" split and took off.

There are some pretty comical X posts from some Syrian political commentator guy. The first was "I was a Syrian refugee, now I'm a Syrian again". That was followed by "The Israelis are helping to free us."
And then the same guy panicked as he saw the videos of the Israeli Air strikes on the ports hangers and warehouses.

They aren't there to "help", they are there to eliminate a threat.
 

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Sad to say, but I think it's because war is more profitable than help. Our soldiers were in Afghanistan for 20 years. I don't know if being there another 10 would have helped.

As it's been said, those areas have been fighting amongst themselves for thousands of years, we've only been dealing with them for a hundred. A thousand years of ideology can't be changed in a few presidential terms I don't think. Yet we keep trying.

It absolutely can.. look at Iran in the 70’s. Look at it today.

It just takes a level of commitment that we don’t possess.. we take out one bad guy it’s national news. They could literally take out 90% of all the radical leadership in one night.. if they had the stomach to do it.

Remember what Trump said.. one more American dies and he sent the guy a picture of his house. It isn’t like we don’t know where all the major players are.

Isreal recently sent a message with the pagers.. between that and Trump getting elected there is now peace talks.

They only understand one concept it is fear. They rule by it or they can be ruled by it.

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You can’t westernize the Middle East, we’ve tried it before, and it doesn’t work. These people prefer to live in caves, any modern conveniences are to be in cahoots with infidels. A modern electrical grid, running water, a sanitation system, things that the modern world takes for granted is evil to these people. You can’t change the mindset of people whose religion tells them to kill those who don’t believe the same theology they do. They’ve been doing this for thousands of years. But those in charge of things get to enjoy these things. There are only two classes - the rich/leaders and the pee-ons who have nothing, but want to continue to fight a holy war that has done nothing but continue to senselessly kill people to no real gains.
 

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... There are only two classes - the rich/leaders and the pee-ons who have nothing, but want to continue to fight a holy war that has done nothing but continue to senselessly kill people to no real gains.
What is it we have gained from fighting wars with those religious zealots in the middle east? We didn't spread democracy or halt communism...I don't think either will prevail there.

In Afghanistan we fought those we trained, and their children. Then ultimately let them have control. In Syria, we just helped install a leader who on the international terrorism list.

Oil was still cheaper for us when Trump was in office. No wars for it either. This way though, the war machine makes money, and the cost of oil goes up due to "uncertainty", but now we have more control over it.
 

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GENERAL ALADEEN Reporting for duty with the new Dictatorship.
Out of Frame: The Dictator | DCist



Authorities in Tajikistan concluded The Dictator was incompatible with the nation's "mentality". As for other states, the film was described as "unlikely" to be shown in Turkmenistan, shortened to 71 minutes by the censorship in Uzbekistan, and banned from screens two weeks after its premiere in Kazakhstan.
 

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Decades ago when the elder Assad then later the younger Assad sponsored terrorism they got put on the US shit list.

The wheels of shit list justice turn slowly but they keep turning.
 

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IDF Tanks Reach Just 25km From Damascus As Netanyahu Declares Golan Is 'Ours Forever'

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"The rough tally of 200 raids overnight had left nothing of the Syrian army’s assets."

TUE DEC 10, AT 7:00 AM


With Assad overthrown and Syria in shambles, Israel has declared the permanent annexation of the Golan Heights. "The Golan Heights," announced Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, "will forever be an inseparable part of the State of Israel."

He said that control over this historical Syrian territory "guarantees" Israel's security and sovereignty and is of "great importance". The announcement came as Israel pounded with airstrikes numerous Syrian bases, abandoned army assets, parked warplanes and helicopters, and even naval ships off Latakia.


Ah yes, I'll wait for the MSM to declare he's just like Putin.....................taking territory!!!!! 🤣


Things becoming a bit more clear now?
 

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Assad's cousin had a "summit" with the incoming government.
 
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