SXS Game Changer, wow

[rickym20]

Looks like numbers are changing a little....

 

[getch]

2d’s have the smallest reverse gear when it comes to the mendeola’s, the bigger mendeola’s have a bigger gear which is definitely more usable.

Copy, wasn’t sure. That was a big reason we went with a PBS in our 10 car was because of the fullsize reverse. I have dumped the clutch with it in reverse stuck in a pile up and it didn’t skip a beat.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

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Looks like numbers are changing a little....

Noooo???!!!! You are saying they misrepresented the product for $32k???? Say it isn’t so.

I’m calling Robby Gordon!! It’s almost like a bait and switch!

 

[rickym20]

Noooo???!!!! You are saying they misrepresented the product for $32k???? Say it isn’t so.

I’m calling Robby Gordon!! It’s almost like a bait and switch!

Haha, I think he is doing a great job creating interest in the machines. 225 HP is still a respectable number for today’s SXS.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Haha, I think he is doing a great job creating interest in the machines. 225 HP is still a respectable number for today’s SXS.

It’s great, and it looks like a cool machine. But like I said, no one is getting a 300HP SXS for $32k.

 

[77charger]

Haha, I think he is doing a great job creating interest in the machines. 225 HP is still a respectable number for today’s SXS.

Depending on weight of the vehicle it can be great.Its funny though seeing a mid sized 4 seat buggy with a 3.5 honda alot will say under powered but take a sxs that ways more and they say oh yeh 200 plus will be good.I notice alot of 4 seat SxS are pretty heavy for their power usually 1700 pounds plus a smaller 4 seat rail will be about 1500 pound range.

In the dunes they need torque as well i just dont see the smaller engines making that vs a v6.

 

[riverroyal]

Soooo where are we at? 38k for 225 hp? Meh

 

[pronstar]

I don’t understand why most folks don’t run torque converter auto boxes?

The price premium is more than recaptured with repairs, methinks...?

My buddy’s dad owns this company, their biggest market is to racers and the boxes are supposedly very stout.

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[lf2]

I like that a lot! How do ya know if it has the good trans? What are the pitfalls? Something about reverse?

Ad says 2d4e no such trans exists its either a md42d or a md4e. i wouldnt own either in a v8 car, thats my personal opinion even though plenty of cars have that setup but thats where the buggies get the reputation of always breaking. I went with a fortin in my car i have owned the car now coming on 12 years and have only had the trans out of the car once and that was a worn second gear (not broke, worn). You spend the money up front for quality parts and a buggy is every bit as reliable as a sxs.

 

[glamis0812]

Ad says 2d4e no such trans exists its either a md42d or a md4e. i wouldnt own either in a v8 car, thats my personal opinion even though plenty of cars have that setup but thats where the buggies get the reputation of always breaking. I went with a fortin in my car i have owned the car now coming on 12 years and have only had the trans out of the car once and that was a worn second gear (not broke, worn). You spend the money up front for quality parts and a buggy is every bit as reliable as a sxs.

I’ve had 3 cars with LS/2d combo’s with minimal issues but you do have to be careful. My current car has a Fortin FRS5 sequential and it’s different animal.

 

[lavey jr]

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Looks like numbers are changing a little....

Noooo???!!!! You are saying they misrepresented the product for $32k???? Say it isn’t so.

I’m calling Robby Gordon!! It’s almost like a bait and switch!

It’s great, and it looks like a cool machine. But like I said, no one is getting a 300HP SXS for $32k.

Technically, no, the numbers didn’t change at all because you can’t change numbers on facts we don’t fully know. The only thing that changed is we now know you need to run race gas to get it to 300hp and that it is with the 999cc platform (no saying what the 1400cc engine will do). Also, we now know that it is 225hp on pump gas which is still a good amount more compared to the competitors. Plus the car is a true trailing arm suspension like a buggy instead of the trailing arm link suspension like all other SxS’s.

There’s no misrepresentation at all of the product for $32k and 300hp. Last time and every time that I’ve bought a vehicle I didn’t have to buy fuel during the transaction of the vehicle. Sooooooo I buy this SxS for $32k and put pump 91 in it and it makes 225hp, then when the tank is empty I decide to fill it with race gas and it makes 300hp. Well either way I still payed $32k for the vehicle so yes absolutely I got a SxS with 300hp for $32k...

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Technically, no, the numbers didn’t change at all because you can’t change numbers on facts we don’t fully know. The only thing that changed is we now know you need to run race gas to get it to 300hp and that it is with the 999cc platform (no saying what the 1400cc engine will do). Also, we now know that it is 225hp on pump gas which is still a good amount more compared to the competitors. Plus the car is a true trailing arm suspension like a buggy instead of the trailing arm link suspension like all other SxS’s.

There’s no misrepresentation at all of the product for $32k and 300hp. Last time and every time that I’ve bought a vehicle I didn’t have to buy fuel during the transaction of the vehicle. Sooooooo I buy this SxS for $32k and put pump 91 in it and it makes 225hp, then when the tank is empty I decide to fill it with race gas and it makes 300hp. Well either way I still payed $32k for the vehicle so yes absolutely I got a SxS with 300hp for $32k...

Read it again.. the PRODUCTION cars will have 225 HP. That is a total misrepresentation from the tweets yesterday. When they said whole car, 300HP, $32k. Something else will probably change tomorrow.

It is not gonna make 300 HP at the $32k price point. You won’t be able to pour in race gas and make 300 HP on the $32k 225 HP production car either. It is going to cost more for a tune, an option package, or something to get it to 300 HP.

 

[Meaney77]

I don’t understand why most folks don’t run torque converter auto boxes?

The price premium is more than recaptured with repairs, methinks...?

My buddy’s dad owns this company, their biggest market is to racers and the boxes are supposedly very stout.

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Very well know company- Jeff Fields does great work and has built several stout boxes for me and my group of buddies.

 

[lavey jr]

Read it again.. the PRODUCTION cars will have 225 HP. That is a total misrepresentation from the tweets yesterday.

It is not gonna make 300 HP at the $32k price point. You won’t be able to pour in race gas and make 300 HP on the $32k 225 HP production car either.. it’s going to cost more for a tune, an option package, or something to get it to 300 HP.

I did read it again, and again, and again.

They did not state if “the yellow car” was a production car or not. So still, no misrepresentation. They only stated that the production car will make 225hp with pump gas.

I’ve owned two PRODUCTION cars that came with flex fuel option to where you can run pump gas and E85 or any combination of pump fuel and E85. These vehicles were at no price difference at all compared to the non flex fuel versions. These two vehicles also happened to make more HP on the dyno while running E85. So based on previous experience it is absolutely possible to pour in higher octane (race level octane) and make more HP at the same price as the same comparable vehicles.

Now, I’m not at all saying what you’re saying is false. I’m also not positively confirming that this Speed SxS will make 300hp if you pour race gas in to it. All I’m saying is that it is absolutely possible for it to be possible.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I did read it again, and again, and again.

They did not state if “the yellow car” was a production car or not. So still, no misrepresentation. They only stated that the production car will make 225hp with pump gas.

I’ve owned two PRODUCTION cars that came with flex fuel option to where you can run pump gas and E85 or any combination of pump fuel and E85. These vehicles were at no price difference at all compared to the non flex fuel versions. These two vehicles also happened to make more HP on the dyno while running E85. So based on previous experience it is absolutely possible to pour in higher octane (race level octane) and make more HP at the same price as the same comparable vehicles.

Now, I’m not at all saying what you’re saying is false. I’m also not positively confirming that this Speed SxS will make 300hp if you pour race gas in to it. All I’m saying is that it is absolutely possible for it to be possible.

Ok now they are throwing in full flex fuel systems into a SXS.... for $32k. Car OEMs don’t even make those kind of gains with tunes on varying grades of fuel. Your car made maybe 20 more HP on E85, which is nearly race gas. What makes you think that a manufacturer would make 75 HP more in a 999cc SXS? And then warranty it on top of that.

You are right, anything is possible. The technology exits to have the car run up to 300 HP on race gas just by pouring it in. I’m just telling you it’s not gonna happen for $32k. You can deal with it tonight, or deal with it tomorrow when they actually announce something at the show. They are just trying to get attention on their new product. That is it.

 

[lavey jr]

Ok now they are throwing in full flex fuel systems into SXS.... for $32k. Car OEMs don’t even make those kind of gains with OEM tunes on varying grades of fuel. What makes you think that a manufacturer would do that in a 999cc SXS?

You are right, anything is possible. The technology exits to have the car run up to 300 HP on race gas just by pouring it in. I’m just telling you it’s not gonna happen for $32k. You can deal with it tonight, or deal with it tomorrow when they actually announce something at the show. They are just trying to get attention on their new product.

I probably should have started out with that I’m on your side and I do agree with what you’ve said.

The flex fuel thing on this SxS was a long shot but just pointing out it’s possible.

My main point is that if these numbers are correct, yes someone can get a 300hp SxS for $32k. For example; I buy this SxS and run it with 91, put 110 race or + in it, hook up my tuner software that I’ve got and tune it to 300hp, I still payed $32k for the vehicle and I got 300hp out of it. No where did they state that everyone will get 300hp for $32k. Call it misrepresented information by the company or call it adding too much made up assumed information into the company’s statement when the end user is reading it. I call the later.

That’s the thing with every single pre-release of any vehicle know to man kind. The company says literally EXACTLY what the vehicle is (pictured) and exactly what the truth is about that vehicle and leave it up to the public to fill in the gaps of speculation. Now they could be posting exactly what the specs are about the vehicle pictured (the yellow car) and that would be zero percent lie because the vehicle posted had all the specs they said which in technicality would be zero misrepresentation of the vehicle they were talking about.

Either way, I’m still looking forward to the official release of this car and the real life reviews of it!

 

[RiverDave]

End of the day, I'm still going to drop a deposit on one. I called a bunch of guys I know that are in the industry and three of them are connected to the project in some fashion or another. 1 said "It's gonna be awhile" the other two said "They would put the deposit down" (Meaning it's 1K, you don't have a lot to lose)

Word on the street is they can only build 500 before it changes up to some different government regulations etc.. So these will be ltd builds per year.

RD

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I probably should have started out with that I’m on your side and I do agree with what you’ve said.

The flex fuel thing on this SxS was a long shot but just pointing out it’s possible.

My main point is that if these numbers are correct, yes someone can get a 300hp SxS for $32k. For example; I buy this SxS and run it with 91, put 110 race or + in it, hook up my tuner software that I’ve got and tune it to 300hp, I still payed $32k for the vehicle and I got 300hp out of it. No where did they state that everyone will get 300hp for $32k. Call it misrepresented information by the company or call it adding too much made up assumed information into the company’s statement when the end user is reading it. I call the later.

That’s the thing with every single pre-release of any vehicle know to man kind. The company says literally EXACTLY what the vehicle is (pictured) and exactly what the truth is about that vehicle and leave it up to the public to fill in the gaps of speculation. Now they could be posting exactly what the specs are about the vehicle pictured (the yellow car) and that would be zero percent lie because the vehicle posted had all the specs they said which in technicality would be zero misrepresentation of the vehicle they were talking about.

Either way, I’m still looking forward to the official release of this car and the real life reviews of it!

I am too, I have nothing bad to say about the car at this point.

I have been skeptical of the specs vs the price from the beginning. Especially based on their last go around with the stretched XX. And up to now has proven why... there are no real details. Just half answers and cryptic statements. To your point there has been specifics about almost nothing. That is fine, they have not made an official announcement yet. We will see what they say and what they have to bring to market tomorrow night.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

End of the day, I'm still going to drop a deposit on one. I called a bunch of guys I know that are in the industry and three of them are connected to the project in some fashion or another. 1 said "It's gonna be awhile" the other two said "They would put the deposit down" (Meaning it's 1K, you don't have a lot to lose)

Word on the street is they can only build 500 before it changes up to some different government regulations etc.. So these will be ltd builds per year.

RD

I was talking with Ian about this last night the larger engine is over 1000cc and with it being higher weight, they are subject to all kinds of extra regulation, different registration, etc. because it is basically a car.... but not a road going car... it’s basically a production sand rail or DS car. What is done with those?

Maybe it will come in a box as a kit car

 

[lavey jr]

End of the day, I'm still going to drop a deposit on one. I called a bunch of guys I know that are in the industry and three of them are connected to the project in some fashion or another. 1 said "It's gonna be awhile" the other two said "They would put the deposit down" (Meaning it's 1K, you don't have a lot to lose)

Word on the street is they can only build 500 before it changes up to some different government regulations etc.. So these will be ltd builds per year.

RD

Any of those sources say that Speed SxS contacted Lavey Craft to tool and build the body for the car after they saw the fiberglass widebody kit Lavey made for the Rzr? Probably not. Speed SxS contacted Lavey quite a few times with questions on how to tool their body and how to pull off some of the ideas they had in fiberglass and with proposal to have Lavey fully tool the body...

 

[RiverDave]

I was talking with Ian about this last night the larger engine is over 1000cc and with it being higher weight, they are subject to all kinds of extra regulation, different registration, etc. because it is basically a car.... but not a road going car... it’s basically a production sand rail or DS car. What is done with those?

Maybe it will come in a box as a kit car

They build 500 or less.. lol. That’s what they do.

 

[RiverDave]

Any of those sources say that Speed SxS contacted Lavey Craft to tool and build the body for the car after they saw the fiberglass widebody kit Lavey made for the Rzr? Probably not. Speed SxS contacted Lavey quite a few times with questions on how to tool their body and how to pull off some of the ideas they had in fiberglass and with proposal to have Lavey fully tool the body...

That fiberglass body is cool as shit.. but being I do 99.9999% of my riding in the hardpack I hope it isn’t fiberglass. Rock chips etc would be $$

 

[lavey jr]

That fiberglass body is cool as shit.. but being I do 99.9999% of my riding in the hardpack I hope it isn’t fiberglass. Rock chips etc would be $$

That is true. I would put a clear bra wrap on it. But again, that’s $$ like you said

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

They build 500 or less.. lol. That’s what they do.

Not total, just the larger engine model. Is that what you are referring to? The “$32k” car is 999cc. No reason that shouldn’t be mass produced, right?

The top line 1.4L car has lost me. I can buy a real V8 dual sport car at that price point. Sure it is used, but it is way more car. And 500 HP in a 1.4L (I’m sure on race gas) is a recipe for massive increase in running expenses and failure. I’ll take the V8 on 91 pump gas.

And 300-500 HP is useless to us hardpack guys 99.9 % of the time.

 

[gqchris]

Its funny they picked the 32k number, because thats where the X3 XRS usually lands when all said and done. Like LOF said, this is some bullshit media hyping going on. We all know damn well we are not buying this car with 300hp at that price point. Bottom Line.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Its funny they picked the 32k number, because thats where the X3 XRS usually lands when all said and done. Like LOF said, this is some bullshit media hyping going on. We all know damn well we are not buying this car with 300hp at that price point. Bottom Line.

Finally.. some sanity

 

[outboard_256]

can someone point me to this magic race gas that gives you a 25% boost in HP. Asking for a friend.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

can someone point me to this magic race gas that gives you a 25% boost in HP. Asking for a friend.

For $32K I will tell you.

 

[ArizonaKevin]

https://speedsxs.com/products/2021-speed-sxs-xx-4?variant=30098789007411

Here is the official site for the new car. We can all agree that the chances of this car actually happening might be slim, but as enthusiasts of the sport can we all agree that it would be badass if it did?

 

[Meaney77]

can someone point me to this magic race gas that gives you a 25% boost in HP. Asking for a friend.

Just add some CBD

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

https://speedsxs.com/products/2021-speed-sxs-xx-4?variant=30098789007411

Here is the official site for the new car. We can all agree that the chances of this car actually happening might be slim, but as enthusiasts of the sport can we all agree that it would be badass if it did?

I am pretty bullish that the car displayed on that site will actually happen. If I could get a car like that which did not need doors, roof, cage, new tires, upgraded suspension components, for $28K.. that seems pretty reasonable.

I don't think ALL of the option package below will be included for $4k (totaling the $32K)... way too ambiguous.

"Speed Accessory Package will include 300 HP 1400 CC Big Bore kits, Carbon Fiber Race Seats, Bumper, Skid Plates, Light Bars Windshields, all Speeds current accessories and complete race packages"

Now I see how this is gonna be done. It is a 999 CC car they do an engine build on. It is still classified and registered as a sub 1000 CC machine.

They are following the Saleen/Roush model for Mustangs.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Just add some CBD

Orally or anally?

 

[Rjt01]

Build price for 4 seater with 77’’ wheel base is 33k plus tax and knock on shipping ..... me thinks 40k+

 

[Activated]

Orally or anally?

Yes

 

[RiverDave]

Just add some CBD

Hahahahaahh

 

[RiverDave]

Orally or anally?

Aaaahahahahahahahaah

 

[lavey jr]

I would like to see a side by side comparison between the 72” and 77” models.

 

[ArizonaKevin]

I would like to see a side by side comparison between the 72” and 77” models.

77

72

 

[gqchris]

Just add some CBD

Can I pay in Dinars? :!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Sweet 28k Car!

 

[ArizonaKevin]

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Hard to tell from pictures, 3 cyl or 2 cyl car? Saw rumors going both ways.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Hard to tell from pictures, 3 cyl or 2 cyl car? Saw rumors going both ways.

2 cylinder

 

[pronstar]

2 cylinder

That much power from a twin?
I’d love to see how they hold up over time.


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[lavey jr]

I watched the live stream release about 45 mins ago. I’m still convinced on this car!

Robby said they’re going to do the same release tomorrow at 5pm

 

[Dalton]

I'm glad Robby is doing it how he wants, when the XX first came out the Mudding and Rock Bouncing guys were complaining about the XX but that's just not what its for

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I watched the live stream release about 45 mins ago. I’m still convinced on this car!

Robby said they’re going to do the same release tomorrow at 5pm

I talked to Robby a bit, I was one of the first people over there. They are in the back corner. It seems like a nice car. No way in hell that yellow car is $32k though.. it had billet clutches and all kinds of extra details all over it compared to the orange one.

Now that car for under $30k with 225 HP... I’m still pretty interested.

Looks like it needs comms and GPS and that is it.

 

[Rbcconst]

I watched the live stream release about 45 mins ago. I’m still convinced on this car!

Robby said they’re going to do the same release tomorrow at 5pm

Only downside to the car is Robbie has put a paten on all the parts so aftermarket parts will be scarce. Still a rad car with big power vs the weight.


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[RiverDave]

I talked to Robby a bit, I was one of the first people over there. They are in the back corner. It seems like a nice car. No way in hell that yellow car is $32k though.. it had billet clutches and all kinds of extra details all over it compared to the orange one.

Now that car for under $30k with 225 HP... I’m still pretty interested.

Looks like it needs comms and GPS and that is it.

So after talking did you put down the deposit? We are on our way there

 

[lavey jr]

Only downside to the car is Robbie has put a paten on all the parts so aftermarket parts will be scarce. Still a rad car with big power vs the weight.


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That’s also what was said about the Textron Wildcat XX... There was a handful of aftermarket stuff out there for the car before Robby left that deal.

Also, in that regard I would need to see the proof of the patent being actually approved and finalized. If it’s in fact only “patent pending” that doesn’t mean a whole lot and aftermarket stuff can be made because there’s no actual patent, the patent has only been submitted.

 

[lavey jr]

I talked to Robby a bit, I was one of the first people over there. They are in the back corner. It seems like a nice car. No way in hell that yellow car is $32k though.. it had billet clutches and all kinds of extra details all over it compared to the orange one.

Now that car for under $30k with 225 HP... I’m still pretty interested.

Looks like it needs comms and GPS and that is it.

I saw the STM clutches in the picture you posted. Those are pretty pricey as is. For a Polaris RZR Turbo it’s $1,300-$2,100 for the primary clutch and $775-$830 for the secondary.

How would you compare the orange car to the other top SxS’s like RZR Turbo S and X3 XRS?

Even at the 225hp level and no billet clutches and a few other small options, for $32k I’d say it puts it right on par or above par to the other SxS’s. That’s more HP than the competitors, roll cage that’s practically the type of aftermarket cage that you put on the other cars, true boxed a-arm long travel suspension and not the tube & lightly plated type on the Turbo S and the super thin wall “boxes” arms on the X3, true swing arm trailing arms like a buggy and not the linked trailing arms like the competitors, the Speed SxS really truly is a buggy made in to a SxS the way I look at it.

When you talked to Robby did you ask him about the 225hp vs 300hp?
In the live feed I watched when he was talking about that it was very confusing and as expected, vague. He said to upgrade to the 300hp version it would only cost $1 so instead of $32,000 it will cost you $32,001... Then he also said he’s confident it will make 300hp on pump gas and anything over 300hp you will be responsible for the race gas...