Surf restrictions on the Parker Strip

[92 cole]

I will say it's more of a common courtesy issue. their are plenty of sections on the parker strip that can handle a wake boat but boaters in that mentality care more about showing off than other boats,boaters and docks. Yes there is a wake damage law and until people start using it, It means shit!!! Send a few people a bill with a LEO notice, a picture of the cf,az or? number after they go by and let them learn the hard way $$$$ .

 

[Wbinder]

Check out the monster wake our pontoon puts out while pulling a skier. Btw that’s just a 60hp merc at almost full throttle haha

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[Magic1]

That has nothing to do with surf boats. The pontoons put out more wake then anyone. These guys can barely move without being under power. Throw in the big ass cats, rental boats and the plain idiot driving whatever and this is what you get.

Not a surf problem...........it is a traffic problem

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Bud your wrong, I have boated the strip for a very long time. The toons and big cats have always been there man. Every park I talk to all agree since the wake surf sport started there damage to beaches and docks have exploded in cost. The waves are huge and don't just go out and disburse to the shore, they make a wave behind the boat that don't go away. I personally don't think the strip or any river is a great place to surf. IF they wanna do it go to Havasu where the waves have a chance to settle out. Better yet buy a normal boat and surf at the beach where you don't need a rope. I love to see the foils, speed skiers , wake BOARDERS go big. But this surfing activity has to go.

 

[RiverDave]

No dock problems in the Keys

Lol. Right?

 

[RiverDave]

I don’t know about big cats being a problem. But I agree with OSB 100%. A loaded toon, or larger toon half on plane kicks out some monster waves and the big rolling displacement rollers behind them.

Just a question if displacement, not much different than a wake boat.

 

[boatnam2]

I don't know how many dock stompers I counted on parker last weekend, most were sitting on a dock at a high dollar pad, so I guess some guys don't mind screwing up their own dock. Hopefully they with outlaw them so I can pick one up on the cheap.

 

[DrunkenSailor]

If you give a mouse a cookie...

The mouse being the environuts, the guy with the no loud boats sign, the kyakers, the paddle boarders. I could easily see the river with hundreds of duffys cruising by quietly and more importantly slowly. Dont give them an inch.

I do like the idea of sending the guy who buzzes the dock a video and a bill. Take each one to small claims.

 

[farmo83]

The issue with the wake damage laws for docks is it’s not so much one boat but an accumulation of wear and tear. If 1,000,000 surf boats drive by my dock and when a flat bottom comes buy my dock falls apart is it the flat bottoms fault ? To me wake damage laws are more for if your wake swamps someone.



Surfing boats to me don’t really have any business on narrow water ways. Especially ones that are lined with bulkheads. I don’t view this as any different then a small lake having a speed limit, or a road that isn’t designed for heavy traffic having a weight limit. Big open lakes by all means surf to your hearts content and continue to transport mussels everywhere in ballast tanks.



As far as assumption of risk I don’t believe that applies either. When I buy a piece of property I do not assume that I will have to repair damages caused to my property by others traveling on a pubic thoroughfare . If my house is on a street and a car loses control and crashes into my house, it’s not a risk I assumed by buying a house on a street.





Having said all that, I don’t think the government regulates anything well and don’t think this would/will be any different. I don’t want someone telling me how to enjoy the lake and would like to return the favor. As RD has said we are the smallest niche in the industry with the smallest voice. My cousin is lead gelcoater for Malibu boats and they make more boats in one day then I would wager most performance manufactures make in one year. If anything gets banned it will be noisy boats, speed limits, or horsepower ratings. We are always just one speed boat crash away from this happening. My form of enjoying the lake is cruising around during the day, and making a hot lap or two around dusk when it’s calm and most boaters have headed home. As I don’t want this taken away from me I will continue to get a load of sand every year, have work weekends for dock repair, and spend thousands of dollars on bulkhead repair.

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

Gotta disagree with you a little bit on this one sir. I've spent a lot of time sitting on the the beach at pirates with a cooler full of beer and a good book... and most times that I got slammed by a big set it was usually from somebody plowing water. A lot of the other boats definitely contribute, but it was easy to see the trend.

My 22-foot pontoon couldn't put out a wake if I tried, even at Full Steam of 19 miles per hour there's nothing back there.

I'm not slamming any specific boat type though, because if I were to sell my pontoon I would go buy a Yamaha AR 240. The ballast would never be full, I just think it's a nice, Dependable boat with lots of cool features.

I do agree though that the increase in traffic is definitely a huge factor as well.

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Bud your wrong, I have boated the strip for a very long time. The toons and big cats have always been there man. Every park I talk to all agree since the wake surf sport started there damage to beaches and docks have exploded in cost. The waves are huge and don't just go out and disburse to the shore, they make a wave behind the boat that don't go away. I personally don't think the strip or any river is a great place to surf. IF they wanna do it go to Havasu where the waves have a chance to settle out. Better yet buy a normal boat and surf at the beach where you don't need a rope. I love to see the foils, speed skiers , wake BOARDERS go big. But this surfing activity has to go.

I misread. I thought he was talking about the erosion of beaches at Pirates Cove. My point was that a lot of these boats scoot through there putting out wakes in the no wake zone. A lot of people like to blame the Tecopa for erosion in Bridgewater channel, but I think it is more boaters that dont pay attention to no wake then anything.

But......to another point......have you ever seen the wake put out by some of these production boats just plowing along??? Holy crap!! And they have been around since before surf boats.

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[2Driver]

Parker has been about doing what you want, when you want

 

[mesquito_creek]

Isn't the property line at the water's edge? That means your dock is on public space... Invite the Feds and they may decide to ban your dock... I would deal with the new reality and ad dock maintenance into your expense column on the P&L statement.

 

[DC-88]

The issue isn’t wake size underway at wakeboard speed , it’s the slow speed and the use of surf gate/ wedge / ballast at slow speed that’s the problem on the river . The constant hazard to boaters in smaller boats of short interval rollers with deep holes that last for miles is more prevalent than shore erosion . Just ban surfing and ballast from the river and save that stuff for bigger bodies of water = problem solved .


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[Outdrive1]

That has nothing to do with surf boats. The pontoons put out more wake then anyone. These guys can barely move without being under power. Throw in the big ass cats, rental boats and the plain idiot driving whatever and this is what you get.

Not a surf problem...........it is a traffic problem

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I’m going to disagree also. The size of wake from a wake surf boat is exponentially bigger than anything on the water. It was designed to be.


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[Riverbottom]

Kind of interesting timing on this thread. I sat on my patio yesterday as three large USBR boats went up and down the Parker Strip all day. Went thru the Keys measuring some docks and seawalls etc.

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

I’m going to disagree also. The size of wake from a wake surf boat is exponentially bigger than anything on the water. It was designed to be.


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I was talking about the wakes put out by people in the no wake zones.......misread that he was talking about Pirates Den.

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[OLDRAAT]

Is it excessive "wake" or "wash"? Can't remember the terminology. Same thing is happening on our lake since they like to board close to shore for a LAM moment.

 

[Ziggy]

Hang a big ass sign on your dock that says "Stop fucking up my dock" or however Clint Eastwood might say it if it was his dock/lawn

 

[cofooter]

Hang a big ass sign on your dock that says "Stop fucking up my dock" or however Clint Eastwood might say it if it was his dock/lawn

"You feeling lucky, Punk!"

 

[84miller]

I know how to stop the biggest offenders, ballast boats, the ones with the water bladders, filled to make a very large wake. File a complaints to the "mussle police". There is no way all the water is drained, and if used in multiple locations, the fill and drain is going to contaminate. Here comes the hate mail, lol.

 

[84miller]

pontoons dont put out much wake.at least mine doesnt

Actually pontoons put out a huge wake, just not realized. I can see where people would not think they do as you are looking behind and seeing the "V" portion of the wake, yes looks small. However pontoon boat put out a very large parallel roller wakes, that have a very long longevity on the Parker Strip.

 

[Outdrive1]

Pontoons dont put out 4’ waves that curl over.

These are dangerous for us guys with small fast boats. You pretty much have to come off plane and roll through them. [emoji1418]


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[Waffles]

Pontoons dont put out 4’ waves that curl over. View attachment 781524 View attachment 781525


These are dangerous for us guys with small fast boats. You pretty much have to come off plane and roll through them. [emoji1418]


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Lol

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[530RL]

If one works to get the other guys stuff restricted, they shouldn't be surprised when their stuff gets restricted.

 

[boatnam2]

The new 24-25ft boats with 6000#'s of ballast throw a enormous wake, wave knocked my dog over standing in water, so nothing comes close to that in the parker boating world. How you would every regulate that Im not sure, as someone said parker is the wild wild west, why I always liked it.

 

[WATERDOG]

The beaches at Pirates are getting pretty hammered too, lots of erosion that is starting to reach the Cabana footings. A lot of those big palm trees are pretty undermined, probably going to avoid standing under them in the future.

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Didn't they just bring in 1000's of yrds of sand last year?

 

[grumpy88]

The new 24-25ft boats with 6000#'s of ballast throw a enormous wake, wave knocked my dog over standing in water, so nothing comes close to that in the parker boating world. How you would every regulate that Im not sure, as someone said parker is the wild wild west, why I always liked it.

It was ! No it's the land of safety checks !

 

[Rattle Can Lou]

Somewhere in WA from what I was told..they outlawed the ballast and attachments to the boat that create a bigger wake...it happened on certain waterways. They have a big issue with erosion and dock damage on several waterways around Spokane and other lakes...Our dock in Parker gets destroyed by the wakes...and it's on poles.

 

[RiverDave]

Kind of interesting timing on this thread. I sat on my patio yesterday as three large USBR boats went up and down the Parker Strip all day. Went thru the Keys measuring some docks and seawalls etc.

USBR?

 

[rrrr]

US BuRec.

 

[Parker Dreamin]

I will leave this right here if needed.

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[rmarion]

has anybody thought about the speed vs. the type of boat...
the best speed for a surf rider is 10-11 mph..

next time your out on the water... run that speed in your personal ride... it will suprise you...

I'm talking 99% of all boats.

maybe a kayak and a SUP will not Fit that description.. LOL

you'll still CRAP on Wakesurfers.... but your boat might fit the same criteria....

Wakesurf and outboard are not a good marriage tho ...

Ballast does increase the wake size... mainly speed and slight turn direction keeps a constant curl...

Just have FUN and be courteous ..... that goes to EVERYONE!!

 

[2Driver]

I will leave this right here if needed.

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Didn’t Vic Demaio own that biz at one point? He did my docks

 

[yz450mm]

Didn't they just bring in 1000's of yrds of sand last year?

Yes, they brought in quite a bit of white sand for the beaches. I'll be out there tomorrow and will post some pictures to show the erosion.

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[boatnam2]

Im going to want a ban on traffic also, it gets too busy on Saturday and I can't enjoy my little boat because its too rough.

 

[77charger]

Big thing is a large number of younger adults drive these boats and have no respect if you ask them to mellow down around your beached boat they will do it more.

They seem to love to ruin others good times without giving a care about it.

 

[4Waters]

Big thing is a large number of younger adults drive these boats and have no respect if you ask them to mellow down around your beached boat they will do it more.

They seem to love to ruin others good times without giving a care about it.

^^^^^^^^^ this

 

[riverrider55]

when the two London bridge jet boats go by twice a day at 9:30 am and 3:30 in the afternoon it puts up at least a 3-4 foot wave up in bullhead everyday except sunday and just kills the docks

 

[mash on it]

when the two London bridge jet boats go by twice a day at 9:30 am and 3:30 in the afternoon it puts up at least a 3-4 foot wave up in bullhead everyday except sunday and just kills the docks

And they have been doing it 30 years or more.

Dan'l

 

[84miller]

has anybody thought about the speed vs. the type of boat...
the best speed for a surf rider is 10-11 mph..

next time your out on the water... run that speed in your personal ride... it will suprise you...

I'm talking 99% of all boats.

maybe a kayak and a SUP will not Fit that description.. LOL

you'll still CRAP on Wakesurfers.... but your boat might fit the same criteria....

Wakesurf and outboard are not a good marriage tho ...

Ballast does increase the wake size... mainly speed and slight turn direction keeps a constant curl...

Just have FUN and be courteous ..... that goes to EVERYONE!!

Sorry if you have a curl in your wake, it is too much wake being created.

 

[RogerThat99]

In the last few weeks, I saw a story that Wake Surfing with ballast or other aids being restricted on the body of water to certain areas. I don't recall the body of water, or what area it was in.



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[Parker Dreamin]

Didn’t Vic Demaio own that biz at one point? He did my docks

Yes. He retired




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[mbrown2]

If one works to get the other guys stuff restricted, they shouldn't be surprised when their stuff gets restricted.

Exactly....getting the feds to restrict anything related to boating on the strip is a bad idea.

 

[farmo83]

Once someone gets hurt bad enough shoveling a boat into one of those wakes, it'll happen.

 

[mbrown2]

Once someone gets hurt bad enough shoveling a boat into one of those wakes, it'll happen.

There are already laws that govern me for managing my wake or keeping my speed at safe for the conditions....far more people have been injured or killed due to driving too fast for the conditions on the strip. Any one who is making a speed run and not aware of the wakes in front of them is traveling too fast for the conditions. I don't agree with surfing in small spaces with lots of traffic...same way people should not be towing tubes on a crowded Sat afternoon, same way someone should not be making speed passes on a crowded river. We don't need more laws and governance.....you can't govern stupid but you need to enforce the current laws...

 

[howard21]

There is a safety issue as well. Couple weeks ago I was up at Shasta. Lot of surf boats from Oregon. I was going up a narrow cove and there was a boat with at least 10 people on it. It was throwing a huge wake. Wake was so big you could not see surfer behind boat. Red flag should be mandatory when someone is surfing.

 

[Sharp Shooter]

Here's a video showing why some of us don't care for plow boats. You probably need to be logged into facebook to view it.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2084141941889728

 

[oldschool]

Here's a video showing why some of us don't care for plow boats. You probably need to be logged into facebook to view it.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2084141941889728

Facebook, the surf boat of social media.

 

[Riverbottom]

Not sure what they are surveying, but two more Bureau of Reclamation boats are out on the Parker Strip today. Our tax dollars sure buy some bad ass boats. They just came through the Keys and were taking pictures. Hope they are not preparing for another flood like 83 .

 

[SKIDMARC]

If you want to start banning surf boats, then your also banning wakeboard boats which are the same. Of course some newer ones have surf modes but both can do similar to a degree.

If you do that then your crippling Parkers economy. Its a resort town, they depend on those boats and the money they bring. Just the same as the big boats on parker that should be in Havasu.

I have a 21 ft boat so I never go to Havasu because I get throw around. I don't complain about it just don't go and have fun at parker. Not try and ban the big boats.

If you buy a river front house and don't want your docs getting hammered by wakes then.........maybe a riverfront house wasn't the best idea.

 

[milkmoney]

I was out on parker yesterday and encountered some surfing with these wakeboard boats and just plowing water also ....

Now we all know I have a 21 schiada that pretty much handles anything I have put it through ..
Well I got some good air twice , meaning , let my foot out of the throttle air ...my passenger said that was fun...lol

Now , you can plow water with just about anything and create a wake that is huge.
So stop plowing the river with nothing in tow , are you that stupid..look back sometime. You might be amazed

I keep looking at these surfers , are you scared of sharks. That you can not go to the ocean and get a natural swell to surf on and not spend 200k or more to get that on the river ....I am scared of sharks too..lol

Here is another hint for you surfers ....nobody at foxes wants to see you go by . It actually pisses everyone off , even the staff that you do that. Go down river by blue water where its wide open and surf ur life off...

Only exception is the hydrofoil crew out of echo lodge and his Canadian buddies can show off in front of foxes.

Now you might think I hate these boats , well your right I do . I think they are destroying parts of the river ways etc. I don't want them banned as they are boaters also , I think better education or training with them would be helpful .... and my friend. Ol lynch has one .and bought me a big stick yesterday , so he got a pass on the river yesterday.
Thanks lynch ....[emoji202][emoji106][emoji39]

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