Sub contractor list for palisades?

[whiteworks]

Adversity breeds opportunity. My buddy lost a few houses in palisades, name of the game now is to be first through plan check as this is gonna be a cluster fuck of strained resources. Debris is still smoldering and the architect is now in motion. I’m considering taking on a PM role, but for now just helping my pal line up some ducks. Stating by putting together a sub list, if you’re in the trades and would like to be on the list let’s talk. I worked the northridge earth quake in 94 and have seen how this situation will play out before, the next 18-36 months is gonna be rather spectacular for SoCal based trades. Between my buddy and some of his friends there are about 15 residential total losses that need to be rebuilt, this isn’t even a pimple on the ass of what the total losses are in SoCal.

There is gonna be some bad shit that goes down with people being underinsured and the Gypsy scammer contractors who are now traveling in from around the country to scam folks and haul ass with deposits, it’s fucking on right now and the shit show is just begining. You have a lot of high net worth savvy folks who are moving in a direction to be first in line to get their property rebuilt, pretty unique situation playing out in real time. Feel free to shoot me PM if you’re a sub that will go to palisades.

 

[kimbalee]

It will be interesting to see how this unfolds - our friends in Lahaina STILL HAVE NOT BEING GRANTED BUILDING PERMITS to rebuild. This whole thing smells. Saw a video yesterday about LA building a smart city in time for 2028 olympics.......

 

[welldigger00]

Just wait until all the democratic voters from these wealthy areas find out about the regulatory systems that they’ll have to go through to rebuild. It’ll be years before they spend Christmas morning in their new houses. This calamity might be just the thing to turn California red after all.

 

[whiteworks]

It will be interesting to see how this unfolds - our friends in Lahaina STILL HAVE NOT BEING GRANTED BUILDING PERMITS to rebuild. This whole thing smells. Saw a video yesterday about LA building a smart city in time for 2028 olympics.......

Just wait until all the democratic voters from these wealthy areas find out about the regulatory systems that they’ll have to go through to rebuild. It’ll be years before they spend Christmas morning in their new houses. This calamity might be just the thing to turn California red after all.

So which trades are you guys in?

 

[Done-it-again]

LA sure has a lot of southern immigrants that can swing a hammer, pour concrete and glue pipe together. Might get more leads standing outside in DTLA with a sign.

 

[NicPaus]

When the Oroville fire started rebuilding. My cousins neighbor a long time GC in Chico. Made the mistake of taking on 2 of the first builds. Months later he could of got double. And was losing his ass as his subs raised prices as demand rose. Once permits were flowing.

I know quite a few that work there. But they don't have large crews that can handle this capacity. It will be interesting for sure. It would be more profitable for me to focus on 1 trade if I plan to work there. And ad that license now. As a GC finding enough manpower will be the issue for sure.

 

[whiteworks]

For now I have the demo/hazmat heavy equipment stuff lined up when it’s time to move on that, we’ll see how that process plays out. My thoughts are that is gonna be a mass coordinated deal where you push the crap out to the street and it gets scooped up and hauled off.

 

[Orange Juice]

Much of the rebuilding will be with insurance claims. The speed at which it happens will be driven by money.

 

[NicPaus]

Let me know as things progress.

I am planning to buy a local plumbing company. Was mainly going to focus on service. My Friend is moving out of state. But he has plumbed a lot of mansions. Going to have to have a talk with him. I almost pulled the trigger on another rig. Could ad it to the fleet tomorrow if needed.

Thinking 10 years of work consistently there or more like 5?

 

[paradise]

Let me know as things progress.

I am planning to buy a local plumbing company. Was mainly going to focus on service. My Friend is moving out of state. But he has plumbed a lot of mansions. Going to have to have a talk with him. I almost pulled the trigger on another rig. Could ad it to the fleet tomorrow if needed.

Thinking 10 years of work consistently there or more like 5?

I would say the demand up there is going to be a Bell curve. It’ll start off relatively slow with only the guys that had pre-existing plans or enough pull to make things happen quickly. Then you’ll start to get the big push of permits making it through the county. Eventually, those will start to drop off as the last stragglers finish up before it drops back to the baseline.

The best money to be made will probably be in the middle, but you will be surrounded by the bottom of the barrel as far as contractors and subcontractors. The nicest houses will be built at the beginning and end in my opinion.

 

[2Driver]

I cant image the loss of economies of scale with 5000+ home owners all singularly doing the same processes; permits, demo, architecture, rebuild, inspections.

Never happen, but it would be an idea for Homeonwers to group and get 50 homes under contract with a major home builder and have it managed in one big project with 5 models to choose from. The place will never be the same anyway.

 

[whiteworks]

Let me know as things progress.

I am planning to buy a local plumbing company. Was mainly going to focus on service. My Friend is moving out of state. But he has plumbed a lot of mansions. Going to have to have a talk with him. I almost pulled the trigger on another rig. Could ad it to the fleet tomorrow if needed.

Thinking 10 years of work consistently there or more like 5?

I just replaced my 50 gallon water heater on my house, I went and bought all the materials at hirsche for $1100.00 and the. Had my buddy who’s a plumber come do the installl and haul off as it needed to be done quickly and correct on a Saturday morning. He charged me $700.00, and said he would charge $2600.00 of it was just a random customer and he supplied material my partner just paid $3600.00 for a water heater swap out in Yorba Linda and I’ve heard some of the large plumbing outfits charge $5k.

Point being is there is money to be made in plumbing and even more if youre good at it and don’t flood peoples homes

 

[OCMerrill]

It will be interesting to watch. Hard pass for me and this will certainly lay the hurt on many GC's as @NicPaus stated. Especially the first in play.

There will be a shit ton of delays lasting years. I would not even consider bidding the project until the plans are 100% ready and the fee structure from the city is in place.

There are 4 cities that make up Palos Verdes. They need to get along and come together in unity because all this construction will overlap. They are going to need Building Dept help from an outside source. Dana Point uses a company called "The True North" as their entire building Dept currently. Killed the back-handed money issue quickly.

Then you have the up and coming insurance problem with undervalued homes, insurance taps out at a certain figure, and then construction loans are needed to finish the project.

 

[whiteworks]

I cant image the loss of economies of scale with 5000+ home owners all singularly doing the same processes, Permits, demo, architecture, rebuild inspections.

Never happen but it would be an idea for Homeonwers to group and get 50 homes under contract with a major home builder and have it managed in one big project with 5 models to choose from. The place will never be the same anyway.

We talked about doing the exact same house on all three properties, however the lots are all different and won’t support the same house. I believer it’s all gonna be one off customs. The three houses we’re looking at now are nothing special as far as custom or large, 4 bed/3 bath 2500-3000 sq.ft. mid to low highend finishes. These are rental properties so getting them back up and generating revenue is priority. Figure $12-$15k a month each in rent money. Insurance will cover a year of lost revenue, after that you’re on your own.

 

[coolchange]

3600$ for a water heater? Must have really pretty.

 

[Bigbore500r]

LA sure has a lot of southern immigrants that can swing a hammer, pour concrete and glue pipe together. Might get more leads standing outside in DTLA with a sign.

He's asking for a list of contractors, not looking to hire individual day laborers lol

 

[NicPaus]

I just replaced my 50 gallon water heater on my house, I went and bought all the materials at hirsche for $1100.00 and the. Had my buddy who’s a plumber come do the installl and haul off as it needed to be done quickly and correct on a Saturday morning. He charged me $700.00, and said he would charge $2600.00 of it was just a random customer and he supplied material my partner just paid $3600.00 for a water heater swap out in Yorba Linda and I’ve heard some of the large plumbing outfits charge $5k.

Point being is there is money to be made in plumbing and even more if youre good at it and don’t flood peoples homes

Reason why I have 2 plumbing trucks currently. I have done all my projects for 20 years. But the plumbing in the Southbay is all due for replacement because of age. It's never ending.

I used to pass it off to one of my 6 plumber friends. Until I realized how much I was giving away. I could change 4 water heaters a day with a helper. My crew can repipe and patch a house in 3.

The biggest issue with new construction in CA for plumber's is the 10 year build warranty. Our water eats copper. So pex is used. But if there is a bad batch of pipe and manufacturer disappears. Your on the hook.

The builder I was talking with yesterday last a million dollar suit on the 9th year. 10 years is a long time.

 

[NicPaus]

3600$ for a water heater? Must have really pretty.

Call Mike diamond the smell good plumber $4400-6000

 

[white tortilla]

I own a medium sized GC all of our work is in west LA. We have been discussing strategies. It may turn into a low margin cluster fuck of Gypsy import contractors as discussed where I would probably steer clear of any large scale focus and pick some good fitting projects. May need to see what fed/state funding is eventually offered. I think opportunity may be better in Eaton fire area.

 

[whiteworks]

Reason why I have 2 plumbing trucks currently. I have done all my projects for 20 years. But the plumbing in the Southbay is all due for replacement because of age. It's never ending.

I used to pass it off to one of my 6 plumber friends. Until I realized how much I was giving away. I could change 4 water heaters a day with a helper. My crew can repipe and patch a house in 3.

The biggest issue with new construction in CA for plumber's is the 10 year build warranty. Our water eats copper. So pex is used. But if there is a bad batch of pipe and manufacturer disappears. Your on the hook.

The builder I was talking with yesterday last a million dollar suit on the 9th year. 10 years is a long time.

I have enough mechanical aptitude to swap out a water heater myself, that being said my buddy did some stuff on install I was unaware of as it’s not a thing I do. The drip line in the gas line was a new one to me, as well we put in a bladder tank deal that my old one did not have, also plumbed in the blow off as it was not there before. The water heater is exterior in a little room, so not hyper critical of it blew off, but still it’s all up to code now and installed by someone who does it every day and has insurance LOL

 

[OCMerrill]

I just replaced my 50 gallon water heater on my house, I went and bought all the materials at hirsche for $1100.00 and the. Had my buddy who’s a plumber come do the installl and haul off as it needed to be done quickly and correct on a Saturday morning. He charged me $700.00, and said he would charge $2600.00 of it was just a random customer and he supplied material my partner just paid $3600.00 for a water heater swap out in Yorba Linda and I’ve heard some of the large plumbing outfits charge $5k.

Point being is there is money to be made in plumbing and even more if youre good at it and don’t flood peoples homes

Two wax rings are better than one.

 

[NicPaus]

I think cherry picking the jobs will be a must. Like mentioned elsewhere you have to interview the potential clients. You don't want to get stuck with 1 nightmare 1.

One of the hvac companies I know working there regularly. Has been behind schedule for a few years now. They can't find enough guys. There jobs are typically 250k + on those big builds and the builds are 2-3 years. Workers told me they get a earful from the pm when they show up.

The mega mansions take even longer and require 50 guys on site to move in a timely manner. I remember building 1 in PV a few doors down from Deepak house. He had 100 guys working on his build each day for years.

 

[coolchange]

Call Mike diamond the smell good plumber $4400-6000

Wow, am I out of touch. I’m poor. But I don’t have to pay anybody to do anything for the most part. The old adage if you’re not rich, you better be resourceful keeps getting more and more true.

 

[paradise]

I think cherry picking the jobs will be a must. Like mentioned elsewhere you have to interview the potential clients. You don't want to get stuck with 1 nightmare 1.

One of the hvac companies I know working there regularly. Has been behind schedule for a few years now. They can't find enough guys. There jobs are typically 250k + on those big builds and the builds are 2-3 years. Workers told me they get a earful from the pm when they show up.

The mega mansions take even longer and require 50 guys on site to move in a timely manner. I remember building 1 in PV a few doors down from Deepak house. He had 100 guys working on his build each day for years.

It's crazy how many guys it takes to get things done on a good schedule. We've had ~15 guys every day on our build for the past 7 months. But we are making better time than most on our build.

 

[Bobby V]

I just replaced my 50 gallon water heater on my house, I went and bought all the materials at hirsche for $1100.00 and the. Had my buddy who’s a plumber come do the installl and haul off as it needed to be done quickly and correct on a Saturday morning. He charged me $700.00, and said he would charge $2600.00 of it was just a random customer and he supplied material my partner just paid $3600.00 for a water heater swap out in Yorba Linda and I’ve heard some of the large plumbing outfits charge $5k.

Point being is there is money to be made in plumbing and even more if youre good at it and don’t flood peoples homes

I live in Yorba Linda. Paid $1,790 for a 50 gallon Bradford White WH installed by The Water Heater Man about 3 months ago.

 

[NicPaus]

I live in Yorba Linda. Paid $1,790 for a 50 gallon Bradford White WH installed by The Water Heater Man about 3 months ago.

My regular customers I do them for $1800.

Just wait a few years. They will all be heat pump. I just paid that for just the 50 gallon Bradford white water heater. Then you need 220 power and most existing locations will not fit the larger heat pump units. $6-8k water heater installs will be the norm.

 

[ChumpChange]

I live in Yorba Linda. Paid $1,790 for a 50 gallon Bradford White WH installed by The Water Heater Man about 3 months ago.

You must live in the poor area of Yorba Linda then.

 

[Done-it-again]

He's asking for a list of contractors, not looking to hire individual day laborers lol

Read between the lines.... They will be the NEW contractors... Find a current list, and see what that list will be in 6-8 months.

 

[Bobby V]

You must live in the poor area of Yorba Linda then.

Yep. I’m on the small hill, not the big hill. And I got a senior discount for the water heater.

 

[500bbc]

For now I have the demo/hazmat heavy equipment stuff lined up when it’s time to move on that, we’ll see how that process plays out. My thoughts are that is gonna be a mass coordinated deal where you push the crap out to the street and it gets scooped up and hauled off.

This is how Woolsey debris removal was handled in Malibu.

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[wzuber]

Just wait until all the democratic voters from these wealthy areas find out about the regulatory systems that they’ll have to go through to rebuild. It’ll be years before they spend Christmas morning in their new houses. This calamity might be just the thing to turn California red after all.

That would be a nice silver lining. Unfortunately they seem to never equate the 2 together and actually acknowledge......this IS what EYE voted for.........it's always just "something" else. THEY are never a part of the problem unless someone explains it to them in a manner they are willing to RECEIVE the message. Sad but true.

 

[lbhsbz]

So which trades are you guys in?

@welldigger00 makes fire hydrants not run dry

 

[lbhsbz]

I live in Yorba Linda. Paid $1,790 for a 50 gallon Bradford White WH installed by The Water Heater Man about 3 months ago.

Imagine what it would be if you'd hired a Union guy

 

[lbhsbz]

My regular customers I do them for $1800.

Just wait a few years. They will all be heat pump. I just paid that for just the 50 gallon Bradford white water heater. Then you need 220 power and most existing locations will not fit the larger heat pump units. $6-8k water heater installs will be the norm.

That's just silly.

My first water heater replacement (30 gallon gas) cost $340 and that pissed me off...for what is effectively an insulated tall coffee can with a little burner under it. Last one was $700.....same basic description but a "low nox" version. $900 spent over the next few years replacing parts on the POS. The one in my house now has "2003" scribbled on it.....and I'm gonna keep it alive as long as I can, then swap all the lower end shit under the next tank that goes in....or just build my own.

If a water heater is gonna cost $6-8000 in a few years, when 5 years ago they were $500....The whole "rebuilding after the fire" situation is proper fucked.

When I bought my first house in 2008, I put in forced air heat and A/C....cost me a grand total of $2300 (that's with duct work, FAU, Condenser, linesets, Evaporator plenum, everything) and a day or 2 of labor. I hear that's close to $30K or more now for a small house. I had 1500sq/ft of slab poured for $3500, which is closer to $15,000 now.

Got Damn!.

Edit:...reminded me something my Mom and Grandpa told me years ago....they both immigrated here from Czech after the Russians invaded.....

He drove a bulldozer (amongst other things) in the old world and they lived in a small village outside of Prague....no hot water in the village. Grandpa was a bright guy....so he'd fill his thermos up ever night with diesel from the bulldozer, and had created a little burner and put together a tank....they were the only ones in the village with hot water in the house at night (if he remembered to bring home a thermos full of diesel). They didn't have any money and made it happen. We might see more of this type of thing.

 

[Bobby V]

Imagine what it would be if you'd hired a Union guy.

Based on my old labor rate for a 4 hour minimum plus material costs it would have been a little bit more.

 

[Havasu blue label]

3600$ for a water heater? Must have really pretty.

It’s his buddy

 

[wzuber]

LA sure has a lot of southern immigrants that can swing a hammer, pour concrete and glue pipe together. Might get more leads standing outside in DTLA with a sign.

And they're all EXPERTS.....just ask them. Haha

 

[HBCraig]

I just replaced my 50 gallon water heater on my house, I went and bought all the materials at hirsche for $1100.00 and the. Had my buddy who’s a plumber come do the installl and haul off as it needed to be done quickly and correct on a Saturday morning. He charged me $700.00, and said he would charge $2600.00 of it was just a random customer and he supplied material my partner just paid $3600.00 for a water heater swap out in Yorba Linda and I’ve heard some of the large plumbing outfits charge $5k.

Point being is there is money to be made in plumbing and even more if youre good at it and don’t flood peoples homes

I just replaced mine. It was $2,600
Took a shit on NYE

 

[lbhsbz]

It’s his buddy

Does he have nice tits?

 

[ltbaney1]

Wow, am I out of touch. I’m poor. But I don’t have to pay anybody to do anything for the most part. The old adage if you’re not rich, you better be resourceful keeps getting more and more true.

exactly why i replaced my 40 gallon gas water heater on christmas day for just shy of $800 and a couple hours of my time.

 

[NicPaus]

That's just silly.

My first water heater replacement (30 gallon gas) cost $340 and that pissed me off...for what is effectively an insulated tall coffee can with a little burner under it. Last one was $700.....same basic description but a "low nox" version. $900 spent over the next few years replacing parts on the POS. The one in my house now has "2003" scribbled on it.....and I'm gonna keep it alive as long as I can, then swap all the lower end shit under the next tank that goes in....or just build my own.

If a water heater is gonna cost $6-8000 in a few years, when 5 years ago they were $500....The whole "rebuilding after the fire" situation is proper fucked.

When I bought my first house in 2008, I put in forced air heat and A/C....cost me a grand total of $2300 (that's with duct work, FAU, Condenser, linesets, Evaporator plenum, everything) and a day or 2 of labor. I hear that's close to $30K or more now for a small house. I had 1500sq/ft of slab poured for $3500, which is closer to $15,000 now.

Got Damn!.

Edit:...reminded me something my Mom and Grandpa told me years ago....they both immigrated here from Czech after the Russians invaded.....

He drove a bulldozer (amongst other things) in the old world and they lived in a small village outside of Prague....no hot water in the village. Grandpa was a bright guy....so he'd fill his thermos up ever night with diesel from the bulldozer, and had created a little burner and put together a tank....they were the only ones in the village with hot water in the house at night (if he remembered to bring home a thermos full of diesel). They didn't have any money and made it happen. We might see more of this type of thing.

Pat you will save over a $100 a year using the heat pump water heater compared to natural gas. The savings will be well worth it. Lol

Same deal with the new gas furnaces. Cost more to save pennies. But are very problematic. In the end it just cost more to do the same thing

I just spent $1500 extra on wire for a remodel. Running wire today for the range, water heater, fau and electric car. None of which they have. But when they ban gas it will be pre wired for the switchover and not have to open walls. I just did the same at my project house. Pre wired but have all gas appliances and vehicles for now.

 

[Outdrive1]

My heater went out here in Parker, came home and hallway was soaked. I shut the water off. Went to storage and grabbed my hand truck, went Ace, they had one for 700 bucks, came back and installed it. Took me about an hour and half total including driving to Ace and back. It’s a pretty easy job imo. My neighbors went out and he paid about 3500 installed I think.

 

[rrrr]

3600$ for a water heater? Must have really pretty.

His guy has a truck. They're not cheap.

 

[boatpi]

As you guys know, I’m no Contractor but I visit Maui often I will guarantee you it’ll take at least a year to collect all the debris from those houses EPA AQMD, etc., is going to be involved.


So here’s what Lahaina did they built two offsite locations. They took all the crap and put it on huge dump trucks brought it up to the locations, all with the proper respirators and suits and separated the stuff that need to be recycled or not ground up. Then decided what they’re going do with it after that

. I watched it going on for the last year. They’re building houses now, here’s a couple of screenshots I got off of Google maps looking at the two sites that they’re using for separation of all the debris. I thought it was a pretty wise plan.

I wouldn’t be surprised if federal government stepped in and cut a check to get everything going and set up the separation areas just to get the ball rolling and look for a little payment later on. If they don’t, it’ll be five years till they clean all these individual lots.

 

[NicPaus]

His guy has a truck. They're not cheap.

I got quotes on 5 different trucks. Almost pulled the trigger before the end of year. But the chassis sold the day the body manufacturer got the quote back to my sales rep.

One of them was 15k off and 2.4% apr for 36 as they needed to move it. With 0 down it was $2,970 a month with no tools or supplies on it. Obviously less with money down. But at that rate was better to let them carry the note.

The one I decided on was 3.9% on special. But had to build it.

The cutaway chassis models I liked that were in stock were 9.9% . No deals on the Apr on cutaways. So I decided on a 3500 chassis cab and custom body.

 

[Melloyellovector]

I’m confident we’ll have plenty of pools to rebuild / remodel. But with that we have tractors, dump trucks, man power to do demo clean up work etc

 

[Racer56]

Pacific Palisades is one of my main areas of work for the last 25+ years. I perform demolition, Shoring, excavation and structural concrete. We have a group of subs that work together in the Palisades for years. Let me know if you need anything.

BTW, I already have customers that submitted to plan check yesterday for a fire rebuild.

 

[PlumLoco]

I replaced ours two years ago. Valve went bad and couldn't find a replacement. It was under the house in what is essentially a small, dirt floored basement. The house was built in 1898 so things are a bit "rustic". No pedestal so it is sitting just a few inches off the floor. This meant I had to drain a few gallons at a time into a big pan that had a sump pump in it pushing the water up and out from under the house.
In the dark.
With a flashlight in my teeth.
In the mud/rat shit slurry because we had gotten an unusual amount of rain in the previous week.
Plumbing is the last trade I'd ever go into, fortunately I know a lot of plumbers.

 

[Rennsport]

Yep. I’m on the small hill, not the big hill. And I got a senior discount for the water heater.

I’m at gypsum and la Palma - new water heater few months ago - installed by contractor $1900 no permit but now up to code.

 

[Rbcconst]

We do large fire rebuild regularly, we sign several a month. There are so many dynamics here that will be such a challenge, especially the palisades. I am sure that they will attempt to expedite the permit process but you are talking LA and some talking coastal commissions. Permits will be at least a year out. A majority will have CA fair plan ins which can suck ass if a good broker didnt write their policy. The area will be crawling with parasite public adjusters who will drag out approvals for at least a year. There will be a lot of competition there that has fire experience, this will not be a fishing in a barrel experience.