Speed cars hit the assembly Line

[Laguna]

If you wanted them to bring customer cars, come to Costa Mesa and ask Speed why they didn’t.

Why Speed didn't make the statement you did.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Or you could stop talking out your ass about things you don't know. It's exact reason people don't like you.

If you and others don’t like me stop reading my posts.

It’s not like you know anything more than I do. Ask Speed why there were no customer cars there. It’s not SEMA, it’s not a boat show.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Why Speed didn't make the statement you did.

Sure.. I’m the reason Speed didn’t bring the customer cars because I told them not to.

That makes sense.

 

[Laguna]

Sure.. I’m the reason Speed didn’t bring the customer cars because I told them not to.

That makes sense.

You made the statement that they didn't because they would be scratched in shipping. Then when that didn't work it was why would customers want their cars at show. You had no reason to make either statement other then to hear yourself talk. How about you just admit you were wrong and carry on. Speed never made those statements you did.

 

[RiverDave]

Seems to have worked for boats at the boat show through the years. Customer built boats have always been featured by the builders

I’m not sure why someone couldn’t take delivery at the end of the sand show. I don’t even know how someone would be able to know if they loaded one onto a Mfg trailer in the parking lot or a customers trailer..

I believe the reason they didn’t deliver at the sand show is they don’t have any final units to deliver

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You made the statement that they didn't because they would be scratched in shipping. Then when that didn't work it was why would customers want their cars at show. You had no reason to make either statement other then to hear yourself talk. How about you just admit you were wrong and carry on. Speed never made those statements you did.

The reason was given over a month ago. They can’t deliver customer cars there. Speed said that, not me.

People are asking why didn’t they bring the cars anyway? Why would they? Why should they?

You want the real reason, ask them. There is 0 upside in it for them to drag brand new customer cars around. Few if any customers want their new car slobbered all over a month before they take delivery of it.

Now you are just arguing with someone you don’t like to hear yourself type
Enjoy.

 

[EmpirE231]

I heard delivery dates have been pushed to may of 2023, due to the redesign issue of the trailing arm mounts.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I’m not sure why someone couldn’t take delivery at the end of the sand show. I don’t even know how someone would be able to know if they loaded one onto a Mfg trailer in the parking lot or a customers trailer..

I believe the reason they didn’t deliver at the sand show is they don’t have any final units to deliver

Speed said it’s a tax issue. You could not take delivery of any car there on the grounds. My friend bought a car (RZR) Friday night and we asked if he could hypothetically take it right then. They said it had to go back to the dealer for delivery.

So whatever Speed said about that part of deliveries at SSSS seems to jive. Maybe they aren’t ready yet, maybe they are in transport. who knows.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I heard delivery dates have been pushed to may of 2023, due to the redesign issue of the trailing arm mounts.

I heard after Havasu rack storage.

 

[MonkeyButt70]

 

[dirtslinger2]

I have something new to add, that isn't just hating, shit talking, fake news.

Got a text last night from a friend, I actually didn't even know they had a car ordered. These are long time racing friends , It's a little long so I'll summarize.

"Hey Buddy, I've been reading all the shit on the internet and I can tell you that me and my brother have paid Speed, he paid cash, I financed part. First payment due in late October, so they are coming. I'm master #9X. don't go on forums due to all of the people with zero positive input"

So he's either part of RDP reading this ridiculous thread, or he's reading the RDC forum.

Either way, thats the random text I got last night.

 

[702sandman]

I found out at the show a real good friend of mine paid in full for his last year. Then another random friend said almost a half of the cars were paid in full and some even were able to get financing on them over a year ago and had been making payments already, not sure if anyone has inside info on that but that seems like it would be hard to do without a product in hand. There’s definitely a lot more people out there that have more than just “deposits” on these cars

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I found out at the show a real good friend of mine paid in full for his last year. Then another random friend said almost a half of the cars were paid in full and some even were able to get financing on them over a year ago and had been making payments already, not sure if anyone has inside info on that but that seems like it would be hard to do without a product in hand. There’s definitely a lot more people out there that have more than just “deposits” on these cars

I heard Coyne has like 40 of the first 100.
No idea if that is true.

I don’t know what paying or financing over a year ago gets you?

 

[dirtslinger2]

I found out at the show a real good friend of mine paid in full for his last year. Then another random friend said almost a half of the cars were paid in full and some even were able to get financing on them over a year ago and had been making payments already, not sure if anyone has inside info on that but that seems like it would be hard to do without a product in hand. There’s definitely a lot more people out there that have more than just “deposits” on these cars

This doesn't sound correct. From the Speed FB pages, folks just started getting the calls for payment and delivery for the first 250. There have been people posting that they just now, within the last few weeks obtained financing and they do not have payments due until the end of October, which jives with my friends texts. Folks that are paying cash have posted they will be required to pay 30 days before delivery, and some have said they got financing and them will pay off the loan when they actually receive their cars.
What you are hearing from friends seems to the complete opposite of reality.

Edited to ad: over a year ago, we were required to pay for accessories in full, maybe this is what they are referring to.

 

[Singleton]

Speed said it’s a tax issue. You could not take delivery of any car there on the grounds. My friend bought a car (RZR) Friday night and we asked if he could hypothetically take it right then. They said it had to go back to the dealer for delivery.

So whatever Speed said about that part of deliveries at SSSS seems to jive. Maybe they aren’t ready yet, maybe they are in transport. who knows.

That is a BS answer from Speed and you know it. You can’t collect CA sales tax on a vehicle you can’t legally import (ERP cert) and then sell in CA (ERP / CARB cert).

The real answer deliveries have been delayed is EPA and CARB certs are pending.

 

[OCMerrill]

Late at night after the rest of the house has gone to bed, I sit on the couch with an imaginary steering wheel in my hands and I quietly make engine noises.

In those brief glorious moments, yes, I have my Speed car.

I have a magnificent car collection but very few know about it.

Its difficult being incognito all the time but in order to keep my dreams alive there are strict rules.

Silent Lucidity has its benefits.

 

[Laguna]

The reason was given over a month ago. They can’t deliver customer cars there. Speed said that, not me.

People are asking why didn’t they bring the cars anyway? Why would they? Why should they?

You want the real reason, ask them. There is 0 upside in it for them to drag brand new customer cars around. Few if any customers want their new car slobbered all over a month before they take delivery of it.

Now you are just arguing with someone you don’t like to hear yourself type
Enjoy.

Never said I don't like you I said this is why people don't show me where i said that. Now you can admit you were wrong on all three things. But watching how you are in discussions I won't hold my breath.

 

[Lavey5150]

No idea if that is true.

 

[702sandman]

This doesn't sound correct. From the Speed FB pages, folks just started getting the calls for payment and delivery for the first 250. There have been people posting that they just now, within the last few weeks obtained financing and they do not have payments due until the end of October, which jives with my friends texts. Folks that are paying cash have posted they will be required to pay 30 days before delivery, and some have said they got financing and them will pay off the loan when they actually receive their cars.
What you are hearing from friends seems to the complete opposite of reality.

Edited to ad: over a year ago, we were required to pay for accessories in full, maybe this is what they are referring to.

I’m 150% positive he has paid for the car in full, I even asked him why would he do that he’s a smart guy. He said he was told it was coming out real quick so he figured why not since he had the cash to do it. He was a bit embarrassed because he knows it wasn’t the smartest thing to do. On the financing part that came from a close friend of Robbie’s and he has always had the correct info on certain things and he swears they Have been financing these units for awhile now. Not sure how and I don’t have personal knowledge like my other friend first hand. It wouldn’t surprise me if shady shit is going on

 

[RiverDave]

I’m 150% positive he has paid for the car in full, I even asked him why would he do that he’s a smart guy. He said he was told it was coming out real quick so he figured why not since he had the cash to do it. He was a bit embarrassed because he knows it wasn’t the smartest thing to do. On the financing part that came from a close friend of Robbie’s and he has always had the correct info on certain things and he swears they Have been financing these units for awhile now. Not sure how and I don’t have personal knowledge like my other friend first hand. It wouldn’t surprise me if shady shit is going on

I’m not sure if there is a difference between boats and sxs shut thst would be illegal to do with a boat..

 

[Bpracing1127]

How do you get financing without a vin #?

Do those early spots have vins assigned yet?

 

[RiverDave]

How do you get financing without a vin #?

Do those early spots have vins assigned yet?

That’s why I think there’s some kinda miscommunication there. I don’t believe they could have done that.

 

[dirtslinger2]

How do you get financing without a vin #?

Do those early spots have vins assigned yet?

The vehicles that they advertised as productions cars were the only ones I saw with Vin's and Vin plates attached. The VIN's also ended with low numbers per the Car number from what I could tell. Some of the pre-production cars must have VINS's as they registered them for the street NC.

 

[SoCalDave]

I believe the reason they didn’t deliver at the sand show is they don’t have any final units to deliver

 

[hallett21]

That’s why I think there’s some kinda miscommunication there. I don’t believe they could have done that.

Maybe locked in a rate and terms? But why would any lender do that?

 

[Bpracing1127]

The vehicles that they advertised as productions cars were the only ones I saw with Vin's and Vin plates attached. The VIN's also ended with low numbers per the Car number from what I could tell. Some of the pre-production cars must have VINS's as they registered them for the street NC.

I saw that too. But has the general public been assigned a VIN? You can register it without on either. Perhaps can’t get a vin because of carb/epa. I don’t believe that to be the case.

Just spitballing here as I am not an expert

The vin cars at the show could have been fake? Or Vin as home built chassis from RGM vs speed. Can you get a vin from a company that isn’t allowed to sell cars yet? Hmmm?

 

[Bpracing1127]

Maybe locked in a rate and terms? But why would any lender do that?

They wouldn’t without a vin. They have no clue what they are financing. I can see someone doing a Heloc or alternative financing but vehicle financing no way in hell they will without a vin

 

[702sandman]

I’ll see if I can get more info on the financing stuff. It shocked me when he told me that and he was shocked when heard that first hand also. He did say there was a lot of money from customers collected already but none goes to Robbie directly it goes directly to the bank then a portion gets released as each car gets started for their build. So this bank they use has been sitting on a nice chunk of money it sounds like.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I saw that too. But has the general public been assigned a VIN? You can register it without on either. Perhaps can’t get a vin because of carb/epa. I don’t believe that to be the case.

Just spitballing here as I am not an expert

The vin cars at the show could have been fake? Or Vin as home built chassis from RGM vs speed. Can you get a vin from a company that isn’t allowed to sell cars yet? Hmmm?

Why would you have fake Hisun VINs? All the new cars had vin plates.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

It was asked before but nobody answered so I’ll ask again. I’m not a expert in building any of this but pretty good at fixing. But why would they use the front diff as a frame/mounting point for the lower arms?

 

[BRONCOBOY]

If those arms do not have a crush point then the pivot ears will take the load and it will be expensive.

 

[Bpracing1127]

Why would you have fake Hisun VINs? All the new cars had vin plates.

Not saying it’s fake. More likely a custom build 1 off vin.

 

[WhatExit?]

View attachment 1156301 It was asked before but nobody answered so I’ll ask again. I’m not a expert in building any of this but pretty good at fixing. But why would they use the front diff as a frame/mounting point for the lower arms?

Typically it's done to save both cost and weight. The arms are mounted to what looks like an aluminum alloy die casting.

I'm sure someone will be along shortly to correct this, call me a hater and tell me I have no right posting here since I'm not an investor and I add no value to his thread

 

[Lavey5150]

I believe the reason they didn’t deliver at the sand show is they don’t have any final units to deliver

Someone get this man a sammich.Pronto!

 

[702sandman]

View attachment 1156301 It was asked before but nobody answered so I’ll ask again. I’m not a expert in building any of this but pretty good at fixing. But why would they use the front diff as a frame/mounting point for the lower arms?

On our Polaris units the arms have a fold spot to save the tabs from being ripped off the frame, it still happens with a hard enough impact. This seems like a strong place to attach the arms to but in a hard enough impact I would think it could still rip the ears off that diff.

 

[dirtslinger2]

I saw that too. But has the general public been assigned a VIN? You can register it without on either. Perhaps can’t get a vin because of carb/epa. I don’t believe that to be the case.

Just spitballing here as I am not an expert

The vin cars at the show could have been fake? Or Vin as home built chassis from RGM vs speed. Can you get a vin from a company that isn’t allowed to sell cars yet? Hmmm?

There are people on the FB pages stating they have been assigned VIN's, and that is something required for financing.

 

[ZSTIV]

View attachment 1156301 It was asked before but nobody answered so I’ll ask again. I’m not a expert in building any of this but pretty good at fixing. But why would they use the front diff as a frame/mounting point for the lower arms?

This is a design that they used on the Unicorn TT, to get every last inch of travel.
It's held up pretty well on a TT so I would say its been a good design. It has many other pluses to it, but id refer you to a video of RG talking about it to get full details.
Also, if you know RG at all, he doesn't drive things easy lol They haven't had a problem with the front bulkhead throughout the last two years of testing, that has been shared...
Last tidbit, the diff is two parts and is halved, so if you fold one side that's all you have to replace, obviously that depends on how hard you folded the thing, but I have zero worries about the structure and suspension on this car. Thing is a beast, got a ride in parker AZ earlier this year.

 

[JayBreww]

This is a design that they used on the Unicorn TT, to get every last inch of travel.
It's held up pretty well on a TT so I would say its been a good design. It has many other pluses to it, but id refer you to a video of RG talking about it to get full details.
Also, if you know RG at all, he doesn't drive things easy lol They haven't had a problem with the front bulkhead throughout the last two years of testing, that has been shared...
Last tidbit, the diff is two parts and is halved, so if you fold one side that's all you have to replace, obviously that depends on how hard you folded the thing, but I have zero worries about the structure and suspension on this car. Thing is a beast, got a ride in parker AZ earlier this year.

Did the test car have a billet or cast diff?

 

[dirtslinger2]

Did the test car have a billet or cast diff?

Cast

 

[monkeyswrench]

On the financing note, could a payment be written up as an ongoing investment in the development of a company?

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

How do you get financing without a vin #?

Do those early spots have vins assigned yet?

An RDP member I know, just posted on a Speed thread on FB, that he got a VIN 2 weeks ago.

 

[DILLIGAF]

This sure has become complicated and full of confusion.

Is it intentional at this point?

Seems this should be addressed directly so as to eliminate damaging info. Wether all this stuff is true or not.

This isnt a case of any publicity is good publicity.

Its a case of customers and potential customers having to place bets with a lot of confusion out there and not clear answers.

 

[EarpRider]

Not saying it’s fake. More likely a custom build 1 off vin.

Yeah, that's what I did a few years back. I had a river neighbor build me a sandrail, then I took it to AZ DOT and they put a Vin on it, then drove over to AZ DMV and registered it. Everything took about an hour.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Not saying it’s fake. More likely a custom build 1 off vin.

If you are a MFG is there even such a such thing.. since you are the one making the VIN... the VIN you say it is, is the VIN.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

An RDP member I know, just posted on a Speed thread on FB, that he got a VIN 2 weeks ago.

This. You'd need to be issued one to obtain your financing.

 

[BIGRED9158]

So are we taking bets or not I say no one will have car by December 3rd I got 20 on that date anyone else want this action

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

I’m not sure why someone couldn’t take delivery at the end of the sand show. I don’t even know how someone would be able to know if they loaded one onto a Mfg trailer in the parking lot or a customers trailer..

I believe the reason they didn’t deliver at the sand show is they don’t have any final units to deliver

Welcome to the pool of "haters".
Dive right in, the water's warm.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

This sure has become complicated and full of confusion.

Is it intentional at this point?

Seems this should be addressed directly so as to eliminate damaging info. Wether all this stuff is true or not.

This isnt a case of any publicity is good publicity.

Its a case of customers and potential customers having to place bets with a lot of confusion out there and not clear answers.

There is nothing complicated or confusing about this. It has always been the same deal. You'll get a call 30 days before delivery to pay or get financing in order.

The only moving part in the entire equation is when that call will come. Seems like the first round of people have received calls and we are 30 ish days out from initial deliveries.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Did the test car have a billet or cast diff?

Cast as stated, and the mounting ears for the arms all have wear sleeves and bolts with proper sized shanks and proprietary nuts so they cant be overtightened to put the suspension in a bind.

If an arm bolt comes loose on a Polaris it starts sawing the tab because the threaded section is too long. A $300 bolt kit fixes all that though.

 

[RiverDave]

This sure has become complicated and full of confusion.

Is it intentional at this point?

Seems this should be addressed directly so as to eliminate damaging info. Wether all this stuff is true or not.

This isnt a case of any publicity is good publicity.

Its a case of customers and potential customers having to place bets with a lot of confusion out there and not clear answers.

Which is why I’m not a fan of all the arguing Jist for the sake of arguing.. things are getting lost (rapidly) in all the bullshit and sifting through all of it is difficult..

I try to listen to the podcasts but freely admit I don’t have time for all of them..

So I go off things I have heard personally from speed, some of what LOF posts when he isn’t arguing & the podcasts when I can.