Sorry, no automatic Viper.Get a Vette if you want an auto

[spectras only]

Ralph says pound sand if you want automatic:thumbsup

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2014/2/5/SRT-Has-No-Plans-to-Make-An-Entry-Level-Viper-7718480/

 

[wsuwrhr]

Who likes automatics anyway?

 

[pronstar]

By the same token...
If you want a manual in your Ferrari or Lamborghini, please look elsewhere.
They only sell automatics.

 

[wsuwrhr]

By the same token...
If you want a manual in your Ferrari or Lamborghini, please look elsewhere.
They only sell automatics.

I am sad about that too. It will be awhile before I can afford an exotic again.

 

[Guest]

Who likes automatics anyway?

Two types of people...

Those who like to win races...

and those with really, really bad knees..

 

[Classic Daycruiser]

Remember the days when an automatic tranny robbed the motor of 25hp. Those days are gone fore ever with unlimited HP, and paddle shifting.:thumbsup

 

[pronstar]

^^^ torque converters still rob hp (but tend to gain torque) when unlocked.

The new generation of performance automatics ditches the torque converter, and use various types of wet or dry clutches...much more efficient and responsive to shift commands.

The best dual-clutch automatics seemlessly upshift with no power interruption at all.

 

[Yellowboat]

Two types of people...

Those who like to win races...

and those with really, really bad knees..

I am the second, hurts like a sob when its cold

 

[TPC]

Who likes automatics anyway?

I like to stir the gears with a manual but the new automatics paddle shifts are for those that want peak performance.

Resale on the classic Challengers is far higher for the manuals than the automatics. Far more automatics were sold goes the tale.
In those days the Chrysler torqueflite trans became available and had a good reputation.

I wonder if todays automatic trans performance cars will be worth less in the future as well.

 

[Don Johnson]

Anyone who has driven/ridden in a modern supercar/sportscar with launch control will think differently of an automatic in a sports car forever......

 

[Tom Brown]

...what is unique about the Viper is that engine is in nothing else.

Isn't the Ilmore marine drivetrain powered by a Viper engine?

 

[OCMerrill]

Isn't the Ilmore marine drivetrain powered by a Viper engine?

Its a V-10 Chrysler base engine. They build it up.

Tom, these are rich people problems. We belong in the lighter side.

 

[Tom Brown]

Tom, these are rich people problems. We belong in the lighter side.

I've subscribed to this thread because I expect the discussion to fuel economy, at some point.

 

[Riverbound]

I wonder if todays automatic trans performance cars will be worth less in the future as well.

I can tell you that my mom has been approached by her car dealer in regards to high interest in both her Ferrari and Aston due to the fact that they are stick shift cars. The card are not for sale but her broker calls every couple months stating he has multiple buyers lined up of she ever changed her mind. The only automatics she owns are her SUVs. All the sports cars are manual.

 

[Rivertoys]

I can tell you that my mom has been approached by her car dealer in regards to high interest in both her Ferrari and Aston due to the fact that they are stick shift cars. The card are not for sale but her broker calls every couple months stating he has multiple buyers lined up of she ever changed her mind. The only automatics she owns are her SUVs. All the sports cars are manual.

Your Mom sounds hot!!! :thumbup:

 

[spectras only]

In those days the Chrysler torqueflite trans became available and had a good reputation.

I wonder if todays automatic trans performance cars will be worth less in the future as well.

TPC, owned 68 Barracuda 4spd, 68 Charger [ 383 cu ] 727 Torqueflite auto and a 72 Challenger with 4 spd. The torqueflites burned up in no time when we did our street drag racing back then. Had to install 18000 series tranny coolers to make them staying alive. Modern day trannies lasts a lot longer now.

 

[spectras only]

Anyone who has driven/ridden in a modern supercar/sportscar with launch control will think differently of an automatic in a sports car forever......

DJ, if you want to drag race and win , yes! For fun driving auto's are a bore. Friend traded his 12 cyl 550 Maranello manual for a 599 auto with paddles, Yaaaahnnn Needless to say, his Maranello sold in a couple of days at the Ferrari dealer!

 

[530RL]

Most people no longer understand the difference between auto, manual (three pedal car) and automatically actuated manual.

Most of the performance stuff now comes with automatically, or technically hydro-mechanically shifted manual transmissions. The old stuff, like BMW SMG, Ferrari and Maserati's "F1" and other systems were very clunky. The new stuff which is dual wet clutches with even gears on one shaft and odd gears on another, are almost as smooth as a real "automatic".

The new "automatics" like the 8 speed in the latest C06/7 and the Audi six speeds are really good, rob very little power and net are faster than three pedal manually shifted cars.

it is getting to the point where "automatics" and "automatically actuated manuals" are becoming almost a wash performance wise.

Over time, the three pedal cars will slowly go away because the market does not want them. That is why Ferrari got rid of them. When you had the early versions of "F1" style boxes, the cost to throw in a third pedal and remove the hydro-mechanicas was not a bid deal as the actual transmission unit was the same. Now the true mechanical boxes are significantly different than their dual wet clutch 7 speeds and so the engineering and design cost does not make sense.

I get it that some people still like to row their gearboxes, but the average 20 year old has no idea how to drive a stick shift let alone a 57 chevy with three on the tree.

We are a dying breed.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Your Mom sounds hot!!! :thumbup:

Yea no shit.

"Is there a Mr. Gump, Mrs. Gump?"



Brian

 

[wsuwrhr]

There is nothing like letting the clutch out in a manual and rowing gears.

But I get it.

Brian

Most people no longer understand the difference between auto, manual (three pedal car) and automatically actuated manual.

Most of the performance stuff now comes with automatically, or technically hydro-mechanically shifted manual transmissions. The old stuff, like BMW SMG, Ferrari and Maserati's "F1" and other systems were very clunky. The new stuff which is dual wet clutches with even gears on one shaft and odd gears on another, are almost as smooth as a real "automatic".

The new "automatics" like the 8 speed in the latest C06/7 and the Audi six speeds are really good, rob very little power and net are faster than three pedal manually shifted cars.

it is getting to the point where "automatics" and "automatically actuated manuals" are becoming almost a wash performance wise.

Over time, the three pedal cars will slowly go away because the market does not want them. That is why Ferrari got rid of them. When you had the early versions of "F1" style boxes, the cost to throw in a third pedal and remove the hydro-mechanicas was not a bid deal as the actual transmission unit was the same. Now the true mechanical boxes are significantly different than their dual wet clutch 7 speeds and so the engineering and design cost does not make sense.

I get it that some people still like to row their gearboxes, but the average 20 year old has no idea how to drive a stick shift let alone a 57 chevy with three on the tree.

We are a dying breed.

 

[Don Johnson]

DJ, if you want to drag race and win , yes! For fun driving auto's are a bore. Friend traded his 12 cyl 550 Maranello manual for a 599 auto with paddles, Yaaaahnnn Needless to say, his Maranello sold in a couple of days at the Ferrari dealer!

I have a friend with a 997 Turbo with PDK tranny and it is simply awesome, car will run low 10's in the qtr mile on street tires and is a lot of fun to drive (it is slightly modified with a tune and exhaust). My wifes 997 Turbo is a manual and is also a lot of fun to drive, it too has a tune and exhaust but bigger turbos and intercoolers. Put the 2 cars head to head and the PDK car waxes my ass except 60-130.

 

[Tom Brown]

I have a friend with a 997 Turbo with PDK tranny and it is simply awesome, car will run low 10's in the qtr mile on street tires and is a lot of fun to drive (it is slightly modified with a tune and exhaust). My wifes 997 Turbo is a manual and is also a lot of fun to drive, it too has a tune and exhaust but bigger turbos and intercoolers. Put the 2 cars head to head and the PDK car waxes my ass except 60-130.

How would the performance of your manual 997 compare to a Ferrari Daytona Spyder 365 GTS/4 kit built on a Corvette C3 chassis?

 

[spectras only]

Most people no longer understand the difference between auto, manual (three pedal car) and automatically actuated manual.


I get it that some people still like to row their gearboxes, but the average 20 year old has no idea how to drive a stick shift let alone a 57 chevy with three on the tree.

We are a dying breed.

Guys at Viper meets like VOI were tossing the idea to get DCT for the Viper as an option but were given the :thumbsdown:thumbsdown:thumbsdown real quick by the majoroty

 

[spectras only]

I have a friend with a 997 Turbo with PDK tranny and it is simply awesome, car will run low 10's in the qtr mile on street tires and is a lot of fun to drive (it is slightly modified with a tune and exhaust). My wifes 997 Turbo is a manual and is also a lot of fun to drive, it too has a tune and exhaust but bigger turbos and intercoolers. Put the 2 cars head to head and the PDK car waxes my ass except 60-130.

DJ, that's cool for the dragstrip. For Sal to put down the numbers in his Viper with IRS he had to use aan auto

[video=youtube;UtT16xjn-Nw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtT16xjn-Nw[/video]

 

[Rivertoys]

There is nothing like letting the clutch out in a manual and rowing gears.

But I get it.

Brian

True Dat! In my Dad's '32 Ford 3-window... supercharged 350, close ratio 4-speed, 4:11 posi it takes... oh about 5 seconds to understand why a manual is just more fun! :skull:skull:skull

 

[530RL]

Guys at Viper meets like VOI were tossing the idea to get DCT for the Viper as an option but were given the :thumbsdown:thumbsdown:thumbsdown real quick by the majoroty

I used to drive my 10 Porsche GT3 to work on some days. Six speed. What a pain after the first couple times. Clutch was stiffer than anything I have ever owned, super light flywheel, just not meant to drive in city traffic. Very few Viper owners drive their Viper every day.

My wife drove an SMG M5. Great car but clunky as hell for in town. Now she has an A7 and likes it so much more. It's a homing pigeon to the shop, but when it runs, she really likes it.

So after all that, I am looking for a new car but I am pretty sure if I want to drive it everyday, it will be a real auto. I have some manual cars to drive when I want to, but for daily driving, I'll take the auto.

I get the point about three pedal cars, but I think with rare exception (like the Viper group) the true manual is going to go away.

 

[Don Johnson]

How would the performance of your manual 997 compare to a Ferrari Daytona Spyder 365 GTS/4 kit built on a Corvette C3 chassis?

Humm.... If memory serves C3 platform is 1968-1982, I assume your throw down includes an era correct motor. That said my wife's car would spank that kit car with my wife driving in all aspects

 

[TPC]

TPC, owned 68 Barracuda 4spd, 68 Charger [ 383 cu ] 727 Torqueflite auto and a 72 Challenger with 4 spd. The torqueflites burned up in no time when we did our street drag racing back then. Had to install 18000 series tranny coolers to make them staying alive. Modern day trannies lasts a lot longer now.

I'm talking daily driver, not competition and not comparing to anything available today.
Far better than the Powerglides and Ford-o-matics of the day.

 

[Tom Brown]

Humm.... If memory serves C3 platform is 1968-1982, I assume your throw down includes an era correct motor. That said my wife's car would spank that kit car with my wife driving in all aspects

I see. What is your position on earth tones?

 

[Don Johnson]

I see. What is your position on earth tones?

Crap I am slow at connecting the dots....... Miami Vice kit car, pretty funny!

Thanks TB for the PM and straightening me out!

 

[spectras only]

I used to drive my 10 Porsche GT3 to work on some days. Six speed. What a pain after the first couple times. Clutch was stiffer than anything I have ever owned, super light flywheel, just not meant to drive in city traffic. Very few Viper owners drive their Viper every day.

My Challenger had manual clutch via pushrod. Also, it had a 35oo lbs pressure plate! That car was my daily driver for 8 yrs. My 99 GTS has hydraulic clutch of course so much lighter on input force needed. If you're a pussy the new models are an absolute dream to operate compared to mine. The 6060 tranny is silky smooth to shift and clutch pedal is effortless also. You must hook up with someone in your area and try it.

 

[Tom Brown]

I had an early 1970s Ford truck with a body-builder clutch that was scary to drive late at night, when I'm really tired. For a while, I had that truck and a 1981 Mitsubishi Starion. I'm sure if you look at the firewall on that Starion, you could see the outline of the clutch pedal embossed in the sheet metal.

 

[530RL]

My Challenger had manual clutch via pushrod. Also, it had a 35oo lbs pressure plate! That car was my daily driver for 8 yrs. My 99 GTS has hydraulic clutch of course so much lighter on input force needed. If you're a pussy the new models are an absolute dream to operate compared to mine. The 6060 tranny is silky smooth to shift and clutch pedal is effortless also. You must hook up with someone in your area and try it.

I am what I eat.

 

[pronstar]

Here's my over-simplificaiton...

Guy who like true manual transmissions:
- gearheads
- understand how complex mechanical things work
- appreciate classic cars for what they are, and wouldn't change a thing about them

Guys who like automated manuals:
- raised on video games
- like to go fast but don't really understand the inner-workings of complex mechanical things
- would rather put a classic-car bodyshell on top of a completely modern chassis/running gear

 

[Rivertoys]

Here's my over-simplificaiton...

Guy who like true manual transmissions:
- gearheads
- understand how complex mechanical things work
- appreciate classic cars for what they are, and wouldn't change a thing about them

Guys who like automated manuals:
- raised on video games
- like to go fast but don't really understand the inner-workings of complex mechanical things
- would rather put a classic-car bodyshell on top of a completely modern chassis/running gear

So true...

I know a guy with a very nice 40th Anniv Corvette Conv. (won top prize at the Plastic Fantastic show in SD last year) But it's an automatic. Lately he's been talking about buying a new corvette. I asked if he would get a manual trans. I told him I personally wouldn't own a vette that wasn't a manual. He said, and I quote, "I can't see paying that kind of money for a car, and having to shift gears." :eek ...At that point I stopped talking, I knew he and I have a huge fundamental difference of opinion and will never come to any agreement on this issue.....or probably any other automotive related topic.