Something isn't right with this

[Gramps]

Bryson was one of my fire fighters when I was the chief here. He and Ruth are good people. I think he screwed up by not getting a lawyer but it should not cost him and his family everything they have.

Judge orders $425K bond to prevent Iron County property sale in heated hearing

A judge on Friday gave a Southern Utah family until Wednesday to raise nearly half a million dollars or risk losing their home in a sheriff's sale.

www.stgeorgeutah.com

 

[Sportin' Wood]

I'm thinking the auction needs to be attended by friendly folks that prevent bids above a single dollar.

Sounds terrible, I would love to understand how they are responsible to a drowning in a public place.

 

[whiteworks]

That sovereign citizen deal doesn’t seem to end well for folks who attempt to apply it in the real world. Seems to me they chose to not retain legal counsel in the system that was being used to pursue them and now they're fucked six ways to Sunday.

 

[Ace in the Hole]

I'm thinking the auction needs to be attended by friendly folks that prevent bids above a single dollar.

Sounds terrible, I would love to understand how they are responsible to a drowning in a public place.

Sadly an armed crowd doesn’t intimidate a Chinese investor on the phone with a sellout realtor thousands of miles away…

 

[Javajoe]

That sovereign citizen deal doesn’t seem to end well for folks who attempt to apply it in the real world. Seems to me they chose to not retain legal counsel in the system that was being used to pursue them and now they're fucked six ways to Sunday.

This ^^^^^^^

 

[TimeBandit]

Is everybody reading this?

Sure son/daughter, invite your friend to the lake with us.

Then lose everything.

Yikes.

 

[paradise]

Is everybody reading this?

Sure son/daughter, invite your friend to the lake with us.

Then lose everything.

Yikes.

Sounds like it would have been a slam dunk had they hired any attorney, but they had a default judgement against them since they didn’t ’follow the rules’. Certainly not the judgement I would like to see, but you can’t play the sovereign citizen card and expect it to all just work out in your favor.

 

[Romans9]

Sounds like it would have been a slam dunk had they hired any attorney, but they had a default judgement against them since they didn’t ’follow the rules’. Certainly not the judgement I would like to see, but you can’t play the sovereign citizen card and expect it to all just work out in your favor.

I really do not understand those SC people.

I had a guy working for me that came in twenty years ago spouting off that stupidity.
I asked him how many successful wealthy people he knew that believed like him?
He didn’t need a drivers license, tags or insurance, could just send a ticket back to the county without paying it, etc.etc.

Back when we watched live PD the SC stops were some of the best!

 

[monkeyswrench]

Is it Sovereign Citizen, or a faith/religious sect deal? If it's SC, well, everyone knows what was going to happen. If it's religious, they put their faith in God for the legal system to be fair. God has shown me that when any evil lawyer is brought to battle, best to respond in kind.

It's sad that the loss by one family, has essentially turned to vengeance towards the other.

 

[Wizard29]

I would say this is the stuff that gets civil wars started...leave people with no options and take away everything of value to them so they have nothing to lose. But, reading more and as has been mentioned above, these people had a default judgment against them because of their inadequate responses to the court. This is presumably because they wanted to play the sovereign citizen game and didn't want to believe the rules apply to them.

Seems like they could have avoided it all just by dropping the bullshit.

The whole sovereign citizen thing is stupid. Those "sovereign citizens" sure do enjoy the benefits of the society they claim to not be a part of. Roads, utility infrastructure, law enforcement/military protection...makes total sense.

 

[t&y]

Wow... So much going on in this one. Crazy that it sounds as if they invited a friend over and he drowned... prompting a civil suit. Talk about scary, I guess we should all have waivers anytime we invite anyone along to the lake.

On the other hand... Sovereign Citizens are pretty much at the bottom of my list when it comes to being concerned for their outcome.

@Gramps My guess is this family is far from the true Sovereign, probably read some bullshit online, and thought they found a loophole by putting a patent on their property. You could probably shed a bit more light on that.

A little spin off of the usual patent on their Strawman's name assigned to them at birth by the government and shit.... blah blah blah... They generally always believe and profess to be the smartest of anybody around them while spouting off obscure interpretations of the law and current events. Entertaining at times, but there is only so much bullshit one can take. The bad part about most of them is they know just enough to tie up legal proceedings, and the actual smart one's wage paper warfare on unsuspecting victims by placing leans on property and basically forcing people to pay them out. True scum.

I feel sorry for the kids here that sound like they lost a friend and now their home.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

I had to represent myself in an eminent domain battle in the early 2000's, because we could not afford an attorney. My legal council was one of the good guys (RIP) and told us the truth that legal fees would gobble up any positive judgement which was highly unlikely we would prevail. He best advice to me was "What does success look like" I use this mantra almost every day now.

My guess is that this couple is playing a hand in how they are representing themselves in a community that may be sympathetic. I'm more convinced than ever that words are lies. I am greatly suspect of everything I read these days and tend to believe only actions I can see.

The lesson here for me reassures my intention to stay away from the masses.

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

Sad all the way around. I couldn't imagine losing a 14 year old child. Definitely will make me think differently if I host an event with children present.

 

[lbhsbz]

Assuming Mormon, since Utah…I’m not real up on how that works, but doesn’t the church help out in situation like this?

 

[JDKRXW]

Sad all the way around. I couldn't imagine losing a 14 year old child. Definitely will make me think differently if I host an event with children present.

On the other hand;
"His parents, William and Tina Cooper, subsequently filed a $9.5 million lawsuit against the Seegmillers. In their lawsuit, they sought compensation for their son’s projected future earnings, asserting that they had relied on him to support them due to their reported disabilities and to care for their autistic son after they were gone."

If this is true - these people are leeches (to put it mildly).

 

[rivrrts429]

This is a total fucked situation for this family and has implications for all of us. The takeaway from this story is do not throw a birthday party for your children. Do not invite your children’s friends to anything. God forbid something catastrophic happens to those attending. It can, and will, put you at risk of losing everything.

It’s a clown world we’re living in.

 

[CLdrinker]

Two things. Have your property in a trust.
Second you are not an attorney.

They are effed.

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

On the other hand;
"His parents, William and Tina Cooper, subsequently filed a $9.5 million lawsuit against the Seegmillers. In their lawsuit, they sought compensation for their son’s projected future earnings, asserting that they had relied on him to support them due to their reported disabilities and to care for their autistic son after they were gone."

If this is true - these people are leeches (to put it mildly).

Could be, but we know lawyers are leaches. They could have been in a weak position and an attorney is pushing the whole situation. Honestly, I just try to think the best of people. Wish I could do the same with lawyers. If I lost my son, I would probably just drop everything, fill a backpack and be gone.

 

[Lower river sludge]

Another strange thing is if you have homeowners insurance the liability should provide defense. Unless sovereign citizens don't need insurance....

 

[rivermobster]

So we have a vindictive family vs. a family that Thinks they are above the law.

Something that Should be out of a movie, but it's not.

I can't imagine loosing a child, but I can't imagine being the judge in this case either.

100 percent sad all around.

 

[SOCALCRICKETT]

It became evidently clear the mindset of the plantiffs when the article stated that they were suing for damages because their son that passed was needed to take of another austic child and help them with their "disabilities"



Sorry to sound like the dick here, but makes an argument like that, that just shows the mindset that they viewed their deceased son as a tool to help them live a better life. That's your damn son, not a object to use at your disposal

 

[Sportin' Wood]

That sovereign citizen deal doesn’t seem to end well for folks who attempt to apply it in the real world. Seems to me they chose to not retain legal counsel in the system that was being used to pursue them and now they're fucked six ways to Sunday.

I did not get the SovCit vibe from the article, I went back to reload, but can't see it now.

If a person does not want to follow the general practices of a community, including how law is managed, they need to move away from population centers. I think it is fairly unrealistic to practice SovCit methodology in St. George, Utah. If a person wants to play that card, they damn well better have their poop in a group and have assets protected, or have no assets. If they are SovCits they are gonna find out you can't benefit from a societal contract while simultaneously claiming non participant.

The dichotomy of a SolCit living in an urban area makes no sense. They should move to Colorado City after they loose the house if they are SovCits. Hell; if they are true SovCits they would never had bought a house. I'm not convinced. Maybe it's a marketing play with the church. I think there is a lot more to this story.

 

[HNL2LHC]

It became evidently clear the mindset of the plantiffs when the article stated that they were suing for damages because their son that passed was needed to take of another austic child and help them with their "disabilities"



Sorry to sound like the dick here, but makes an argument like that, that just shows the mindset that they viewed their deceased son as a tool to help them live a better life. That's your damn son, not a object to use at your disposal

Plus they want what the son would have earns in his lifetime. That would due to his wife and family not his parents. One accident but so many wrong and will continue the downward slide of the country and get-evenism.

 

[rivrrts429]

It became evidently clear the mindset of the plantiffs when the article stated that they were suing for damages because their son that passed was needed to take of another austic child and help them with their "disabilities"



Sorry to sound like the dick here, but makes an argument like that, that just shows the mindset that they viewed their deceased son as a tool to help them live a better life. That's your damn son, not a object to use at your disposal

You’re 100% correct but I think most of us would be amazed at how slimy people, who we would ordinarily call our friends & family and part of our tight network, can ultimately be when they see an opportunity for a money grab.

People can be truly disgusting.

 

[jetboatperformance]

those initial links are gone but found this for context , if I'm reading this right , Sadly to paraphrase "A man who acts as his own attorney has a fool for an attorney"


https://www.ksl.com/article/5110969...t-iron-county-property-sale-in-heated-hearing

 

[Gramps]

there is a lot of people around here saying the parents of the dead child were using him for child slave labor..................... they claimed his income from raising a breed of turkeys, writing his autobiography and creating custom scented stuff was how the family survived financially..............my question is ...how do you depend on a 14 year old to cover the expenses of a family????? they haven't even shown any remorse for the loss of the life of their son

 

[SOCALCRICKETT]

there is a lot of people around here saying the parents of the dead child were using him for child slave labor..................... they claimed his income from raising a breed of turkeys, writing his autobiography and creating custom scented stuff was how the family survived financially..............my question is ...how do you depend on a 14 year old to cover the expenses of a family????? they haven't even shown any remorse for the loss of the life of their son

And that is exactly my hang up, it's one thing to promote your child to succeed, but relying on him and his profits is just wrong in my opinion. He put in the work he should be able to enjoy the reward for his hardwork and not be forced to hand it over.


And the lack of remorse just goes without saying

 

[monkeyswrench]

As for homeowners insurance, a lot of rural areas have people without it. Many homes won't qualify, and could also be owner built out in the sticks. There are still places out here that are off grid log cabins, that are also primary homes. It's just not something people tend to think about. There is also the possibility that homeowners insurance wouldn't do anything if the body of water was not owned by the insured. Even out here, due to some weird government stuff, some creeks and waterways are now fed property.

In reading things over again, I was thinking about the one possibly hurt the most by all this. The family may lose their home, but can recover possibly. The parents that lost their son, may make a profit, but sound like they view it as monetization of a life. There is another, who is hurt possibly more than both I think. There is an autistic brother. That brother may or may not understand that the most "normal" person in his life is gone, or why. That child is left with parents that put a future dollar amount on his brother, what type are they? They don't sound like caring and compassionate people to me. I kind of worry about his future.

 

[SOCALCRICKETT]

As for homeowners insurance, a lot of rural areas have people without it. Many homes won't qualify, and could also be owner built out in the sticks. There are still places out here that are off grid log cabins, that are also primary homes. It's just not something people tend to think about. There is also the possibility that homeowners insurance wouldn't do anything if the body of water was not owned by the insured. Even out here, due to some weird government stuff, some creeks and waterways are now fed property.

In reading things over again, I was thinking about the one possibly hurt the most by all this. The family may lose their home, but can recover possibly. The parents that lost their son, may make a profit, but sound like they view it as monetization of a life. There is another, who is hurt possibly more than both I think. There is an autistic brother. That brother may or may not understand that the most "normal" person in his life is gone, or why. That child is left with parents that put a future dollar amount on his brother, what type are they? They don't sound like caring and compassionate people to me. I kind of worry about his future.

I didn't even think of the brother, damn man, that's a really good point

 

[samsah33]

Another strange thing is if you have homeowners insurance the liability should provide defense. Unless sovereign citizens don't need insurance....

Bingo, was going to bring up homeowner's insurance with an umbrella add-on...

 

[JL95]

Matilda’s parents come to mind

 

[JDKRXW]

Two things. Have your property in a trust.
Second you are not an attorney.

They are effed.

Third: if you're responsible for anything (especially kids) have at least a little bit of personal liability insurance. It can be stand alone - not attached to a homeowner's policy- and it's NOT expensive