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Solar Update specifically for Southern California.

It seems the battle between the utilities and the consumers will never end, but we are actually approaching an interesting time in solar. Due to the greed of the utilities they are trying once again to change the "deal". The good news is that the CPUC is being reasonably fair to the consumers of California, but that doesn't mean the utilities are not winning small battles. Just such a battle is about to be won by the utilities, the question is when it goes into effect. As a result there is actually an opportunity for Solar Customers to take advantage of an opportunity.

The back story is this in a very simplified discussion. In order to slow down solar growth in Ca, the utilities have decided to change the Time of Use windows. Currently as you probably would assume the Peak rates are from 11am - 6pm while off peak is morning and evenings. It makes sense and of course they spent the last decade getting us to do our laundry and running our dishwashers in these off peak hours. Well with Net Metering, which all solar customers have, you over produce during peak hours and then buy your power back overnight when the system isn't producing. Well if they shift the Peak until 4pm to 9pm that changes the game a bit. If you were on time of use, you would be buying high and selling low under the new program. While it is a small setback for my industry, it is only estimated to be a 12% shift in the matrix. Being as you all just got another 10% increase last month, I'm going to be ok :eek. Plus pretty soon I will selling batteries in order to load shift out of peak rates.

Well if you took the time to read to here, and you have solar on your house, here is the prize. You need to change to the Solar TOU rates now.

If you are a NEM 1 customer -
You have a 20 year agreement with your utility whether SDGE, SCE, PGE etc. But you can still pick a rate plan.
Under the proposed ruling you will be grandfathered into the current TOU time periods for a period of 5 years.
In SDGE choose the DR-SES plan this has TOU payments.
In SCE you should choose TOU-DT for the TOU payments.
After that 5 year period expires and you have been gaming the utility for a little bonus arbitrage, you are able to switch back to the simple rate plan. In SDGE that is the DR plan, this has no TOU.

If you are a NEM 2 customer -
You also have a 20 year deal, but you already agreed to change to their upcoming TOU program once they like it. Sorry
But you can also lock in to the current time periods for 5 years!
This allows your system to give you the bonus arbitrage for the next five years before the utility can force you into their then current Solar TOU program.

BE CAREFUL - you will see when you go to the utility website they will try to tell you this is your worst choice. Well I will just let you decide who cares more for you. The utility has always had your back right?


These tips are for you whether you bought from Palomar or not...

Lastly, there are a few more SCE customers who can still get into NEM-1 if you call me NOW and you live in the right cities, ie. I may say no to Irvine as I just don't have time for their foolishness. It is still estimated that NEM 1 will expire in SCE in July though it could come sooner. I also am almost overbooked for May and June due to commercial deals that also have to beat this deadline. I care about all my customers but Im pretty sure the 800 panel customers are going to take precedent when they are holding very large checks pushing me to beat the deadline. If you are serious, and you give me the green light this month I will get you in before the lock. But if you wait until May, good luck to you.

Don't forget to tell my team RDSUX if you call the office so you get tagged as an inmate who gets special attention.
 

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I got the email notification yesterday from your office and got switched over. Further proof I made the right choice with Palomar 2 years ago. Thanks for the follow up. If you are considering solar, and Palomar serves your area, don't waste your time with other companies.
 

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Handled it today...thank you

Dumb question but so even the nem1 clients pay a sliding scale monthly fee to sce? My wife said the rep told her it was between $1-$9 a month. How do they base these fees?
 

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Handled it today...thank you

Dumb question but so even the nem1 clients pay a sliding scale monthly fee to sce? My wife said the rep told her it was between $1-$9 a month. How do they base these fees?

I want to check on this, frankly my guess is Paul will chime in as he is SCE as well and studies the bill like a hawk. You definitely have a monthly connection fee, I would assume 5-10 per month but I think its reasonably fixed for NEM1, maybe 0.xx cents per day kind of thing forgive me for not being sure. But NEM 1 doesnt pay the NBC's (non by-passable charges) and the monthly fee will in general be less than NEM2 whose monthly range is more like 10-40 per month depending on your total usage. Lord help us if we can figure it out entirely, ask your wife for the bill so you can see the nonsense they give you.

Thanks everyone for the words, we try to take care of our customers. Sent out that email to almost 1000 people last night, what a shit storm. Most are very happy, but some people...I eventually told the team to tell a few, if you don't like our advice that's OK, just trying to help here.
 

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Do you know what is happening in AZ with Unisource?
 

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Ok maybe because it's early or something but I couldn't make sense out of any of that. More than likely any emails went to my wife so what do I need to do?
 

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Ok maybe because it's early or something but I couldn't make sense out of any of that. More than likely any emails went to my wife so what do I need to do?


TIME OF USE (TOU)

The California Public Utilities Commission has announced mandatory Time-of-Use (TOU) changes with new peak hours affecting your rates and the way you are billed through Southern California Edison (SCE).



What is Time-of-Use? TOU is one rate structure that charges more when electricity demand is at its peak and less when it?s plentiful. The Utility Company will determine what the price is, depending on the time of the day that you are using it.

Palomar Solar is advising our solar customers to IMMEDIATELY switch your billing structure to TOU-DT. According to the Utility Company, you will be grandfathered into this new rate structure for 5 years.

This specific TOU option provides a loophole to maximize your PV system. Selling your energy to the Utility at peak rates and buying the energy back at a lower rate on non-peak hours.This loophole will not be available for much longer and may even be gone by the end THIS month.

To switch over to TOU-DT you need to call Southern California Edison, you can find step by step instructions here. TOU-DT is the best rate schedule for you to go on, no matter what The Utility may suggest. The Utility does not always sway in the direction of your best interest, but rather theirs.

If you have any questions or need help do not hesitate to contact Palomar Solar via email [email protected] or give us a call at 760-504-0388. We will always keep you informed and be an advocate for you in the ever changing world of Utility rules and regulations.

Step by Step Rate Change Instructions

Change to TOU-DT Instructions

Below are listed step by step instructions on how to change your billing structure with Southern California Edison.



Step 1: Call Southern California Edison at 1 (800) 655-4555

Step 2: Press 2 for billing

Step 3: Enter your Account Number ? You will automatically be directed to a billing representative

Step 4: Request to have your billing structure changed to TOU- DT

Your new billing structure will reflect after your next meter reading.
 

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Like others have said, completely proves that going with Palomar Solar was the right choice!!!
We are super happy with our system and I couldn't believe the great customer service like this...
I figured that buying the solar was a get it and forget it deal, Palomar has gone above and beyond to take care of their customers. Every single employee has been great and the girls in the office are top notch!

Ok, sorry for the advertisement but I am honestly that happy with the product and the service!
 

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Who do you recommend for Solar in Havasu? Interested in a quote for a system on the new build.
Would appreciate any suggestions for items to get done during the build prior to install.
 

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Hello all;
So does this tou thing go statewide? I am in Norcal with solar and wondering if I need to make a similar change.

Thanks
 

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I want to check on this, frankly my guess is Paul will chime in as he is SCE as well and studies the bill like a hawk. You definitely have a monthly connection fee, I would assume 5-10 per month but I think its reasonably fixed for NEM1, maybe 0.xx cents per day kind of thing forgive me for not being sure. But NEM 1 doesnt pay the NBC's (non by-passable charges) and the monthly fee will in general be less than NEM2 whose monthly range is more like 10-40 per month depending on your total usage. Lord help us if we can figure it out entirely, ask your wife for the bill so you can see the nonsense they give you.

Thanks everyone for the words, we try to take care of our customers. Sent out that email to almost 1000 people last night, what a shit storm. Most are very happy, but some people...I eventually told the team to tell a few, if you don't like our advice that's OK, just trying to help here.
Here is what I have seen over the past year or so. When I am a monthly consumer (meaning I make less than I produce) I only pay a .99 fee for the connection fee........in the months when I am a Producer (make more than I use) I pay up to $9 in connection fees........they get their pound of flesh one way or another........I seem to over produce in about 7 months a year on average so that means that SCE gets an extra ~$65 a year that they didn't get prior to the last change. In regard to the recent rate hikes they really don't affect the bill as we get credit at the new rates so when the rates go up our credit goes up and it's a wash.

I'll be calling today to change over to the correct TOU-DT plan......Andy mentioned this was coming.......thanks for the update Andy (Basil Hayden) :D
 

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Who do you recommend for Solar in Havasu? Interested in a quote for a system on the new build.
Would appreciate any suggestions for items to get done during the build prior to install.

I'm here in Havasu. Streamline Solar - Todd - 928-662-8080.
 

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Who do you recommend for Solar in Havasu? Interested in a quote for a system on the new build.
Would appreciate any suggestions for items to get done during the build prior to install.

look for a PM
 

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Hello all;
So does this tou thing go statewide? I am in Norcal with solar and wondering if I need to make a similar change.

Thanks

I don't follow PGE as closely, but yes they are doing this as well. I'm sorry but I don't know their current solar TOU rate plan, but I will have an answer later today.
 

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Hello all;
So does this tou thing go statewide? I am in Norcal with solar and wondering if I need to make a similar change.

Thanks

PGE already has it. They not only force new Solar customers on tou they also have tiers in the tou tariff... and the new billing plan has an approximately $.02 charge to get the power back at night. Not to mention the $10-15 minimum monthly service charge.
 

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Do you know what is happening in AZ with Unisource?

They are doing everything they can to stop solar in AZ, but you are still a grandfathered customer. So far the AZ PUC has upheld your protection. It seems that its more of a NEM2 agreement where you pay a few extra fees for the courtesy of allowing you to be on their grid and to have them buy your power. Perhaps the Streamline has more details on how its currently working?
 

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They are doing everything they can to stop solar in AZ, but you are still a grandfathered customer. So far the AZ PUC has upheld your protection. It seems that its more of a NEM2 agreement where you pay a few extra fees for the courtesy of allowing you to be on their grid and to have them buy your power. Perhaps the Streamline has more details on how its currently working?

Yes, AZ is in a unique situation as compared to California. Rates are a lot less expensive so any hit to the billing methods are felt immediately.

Currently unisource in Havasu is roughly.098 per watt plus a bunch of fees making it about $.14 per watt.

Unisource also limits the maximum system size to 14.4kw. I run into 2 issues, roof space or max size. This means it's rare, for a full time resident to eliminate the utility bill.

When it comes to savings and billing fees the number I try to look at is how much does solar actually save you in bottom line dollars.

With that said Solar, if purchased saves you about .10 per kWh. If leased it's about .05 per watt. Both usually have small utility bills to cover the rest of your usage.
 

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Called yesterday and spent a lovely 30 minutes on the phone with some windbag from SCE. She was explaining that the option I qualified for was the TOU-DB plan based on my last 12 months of usage. We got our solar installed by Andy's team in December so I am still getting used to the program. After I listened to all the BS this lady shared with me I told her very specifically what I wanted to do, and I am not sure if she was just doing her part and playing dumb, but she had no idea what I was asking for. She proceeded to do a search for the TOU-DT plan, and even after I explained she still attempted to change me over to the DB plan, then tried to play it off that she miss understood me. "I thought you said DB not DT", even though I just made her look up the later. It was pretty obvious to me that they really are not broadcasting this as an option, especially when it benefits solar customers. So when you call double check before you hang up with SCE that they do what you want.

If anyone is considering going to Solar I can not recommend Palomar Solar highly enough, the amount of support they have provided since the beginning of the process has been over the top. This is just another example of that great service.
 

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Yup.....just got off the phone with SCE and it was a piece of cake. The first thing he said after I said I was looking to change rate plans was "Oh you're on solar so you probably want a Time of use plan" :D.......I said yup I want the TOU-DT and he said no problem.......confirmed 3 times that it was that plan and not the DB and come the 31st when the next billing cycle starts that will be the plan.

Thanks again Andy.....you're the best, I can't imagine why anyone in your area would use anyone else for their solar needs:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup
 

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Todd and Andy, We are interested in the Solar option on our new build in Havasu...can each of you PM me with ideas and if you're interested ? Thanks

Ted.
 

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Like others have said, completely proves that going with Palomar Solar was the right choice!!!
We are super happy with our system and I couldn't believe the great customer service like this...
I figured that buying the solar was a get it and forget it deal, Palomar has gone above and beyond to take care of their customers. Every single employee has been great and the girls in the office are top notch!

Ok, sorry for the advertisement but I am honestly that happy with the product and the service!

Why be sorry? Andy (Basil Hayden) is a great guy, with a kick ass company.

I'm here in Havasu. Streamline Solar - Todd - 928-662-8080.

No shit! learn something new everyday! :)

RD
 

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PGE already has it. They not only force new Solar customers on tou they also have tiers in the tou tariff... and the new billing plan has an approximately $.02 charge to get the power back at night. Not to mention the $10-15 minimum monthly service charge.

Looks like I will be changing plans also. BTW, I am with smud so about 2/3 the cost of PG&E.
 

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Andy,

Make sure you leave a space for me. Engineering should be in today or Monday for you to get started on.
 

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Not sure what exactly I did but I followed instructions and changed my plan 😊 Thanks Andy
 

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Yup...........on the new plan for 4 days now and I think that somehow SCE is in cahoots with the weatherman cuz I swear I was making 4+ kw until noon today when the clouds rolled in and now down to ~2.....WTH??? :p
 

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I have never seen a demand charge based tariff work out in a customers favor. I've seen them in PGE and in Edison and there is always a big charge. The difference between the 2 is only about penny per kWh. TOU does work most of the year but in the summer it can get costly. If you are a weekend/holiday person no problem. Full time... it is what it is.
 

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I have never seen a demand charge based tariff work out in a customers favor. I've seen them in PGE and in Edison and there is always a big charge. The difference between the 2 is only about penny per kWh. TOU does work most of the year but in the summer it can get costly. If you are a weekend/holiday person no problem. Full time... it is what it is.

I generally agree, though with the current spread, and with most of my customers producing 100% energy offset, they are absolutely selling at the high rate TOU and buying back at low rate. They are also locking in to current TOU period fpr 5 years rather than the new proposed periods where all utilities are trying to get a 4 - 10pm type shift when solar is not generally overproducing. I love that they spent the last decade getting you to use as muvh power as possible after 5, and now they will hammer you for doing so.

I can say that the SCE in particular is fighting our customers changing to this rate, going as far as to denying it is available, but they are happy to put you on the new TOU plan using the evening peak rates that already exists in their rate sheets. I think this speaks volumes.
 

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I generally agree, though with the current spread, and with most of my customers producing 100% energy offset, they are absolutely selling at the high rate TOU and buying back at low rate. They are also locking in to current TOU period fpr 5 years rather than the new proposed periods where all utilities are trying to get a 4 - 10pm type shift when solar is not generally overproducing. I love that they spent the last decade getting you to use as muvh power as possible after 5, and now they will hammer you for doing so.

I can say that the SCE in particular is fighting our customers changing to this rate, going as far as to denying it is available, but they are happy to put you on the new TOU plan using the evening peak rates that already exists in their rate sheets. I think this speaks volumes.

I agree 100%, for solar customers. TOU does work. Demand charges are too much of a moving target.
 

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Thanks for keeping us informed. Changed my plan on line and now run my pool equipment from 10:00 to 8:00.
 
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