Smith and Wesson..epic failure!!

[Baja Big Dog]

Never been a fan...and now...

NEVER WILL!!!!









This should stir some of the resident "Experts" here to figure out what happened....

Guess away kids!!!:bash::rotflmao::monkey:

 

[PaPaG]

Probably a poorly loaded round that caused the bullet to go down but not out the barrel then they shot another round and it had no where to go so it blew the top housing off the cylinder...funny you post this BBD, I was in an 11 hour fire arms class yesterday and they showed us a real nice revolver that had the exact same damage...the guy that was shooting it had some shrapnel into the face but thankfully he had a good set of eyes and ears on so they were protected...

 

[Scott E]

Way to go Vin

 

[Outnumbered]

Probably a poorly loaded round that caused the bullet to go down but not out the barrel then they shot another round and it had no where to go so it blew the top housing off the cylinder...funny you post this BBD, I was in an 11 hour fire arms class yesterday and they showed us a real nice revolver that had the exact same damage...the guy that was shooting it had some shrapnel into the face but thankfully he had a good set of eyes and ears on so they were protected...

Yep, squib round I believe they call them.

 

[Yellowboat]

thats a reloading failure...

 

[PaPaG]

Yep, squib round I believe they call them.

Yep

 

[IRRebel]

thats a reloading failure...

YUP! Some pud probably filled the casings with whatever powder he could find or had and stuffed the cases full. Squib round first would NEVER have done that kind of damage! Heii, the whole topstrap is missing! That is a MASSIVE explosion!

Say what you want about S&W, but 629's do NOT come apart like that in reasonable hands. Have 6 s&w's, among a couple dozen or so others. Not one ever failed me, even the old (60's) ones. My father had nothing but S&W and Ruger, again, never a failure.

If you want me to, I can probably blow up any revolver or autoloader you entrust me to do so with with similar results! You get to touch it off though

Ray

PS: I would be willing to go out on a limb and say the putz used reload data for something like Hodgen H4227 and substituted something like TiteGroup or HP38 behind what looks like a 300 grain bullet. If he's still alive and well, should be a good lesson learned!

 

[ROC]

 

[ROC]

Sorry, I'm just being an ass. Who cares if it's a repost.

 

[cave]

looks like a rock chucker reload didn't get any powder. It can happen with a progressive too.

I wouldn't blame S&W for this type of failure. Unless the cylinder didn't align to the barrel. Maybe ware n tear on the forwarding mechanism.

Scarry mishap.

 

[TPC]

Reloaded,,, probably over filled with rifle propellant.

 

[Nord]

Bugs Bunny put his finger in the end of the barrel????????

 

[77charger]

looks like a rock chucker reload didn't get any powder. It can happen with a progressive too.

I wouldn't blame S&W for this type of failure. Unless the cylinder didn't align to the barrel. Maybe ware n tear on the forwarding mechanism.

Scarry mishap.

Difference with a progressive is that you could have a few rounds that do that if one thing is off.

I reload witha rockchucker and a dillion progressive and with the rockchucker i have never had a failure but one overcharge on the dillion luckily no damage.

I use the rockchucker for my match rifle ammo and the dillion for my .45

 

[Flyinbowtie]

I don't consider myself as an expert, but I beileve that this was caused at least in part by a screw up in the reloading process. Someone pointed out to me the other day how easy it is to mix up .357 magnum and .357 maximum...just looking at the darn boxes. Having a brain fart on powder measures would be catastrophic.

 

[Yellowboat]

a 357 max will not fit in a 357 mag.


It has a longer OAL. its like the 38 357 deal. a 38 with fit in a 357, but not the other way around.

I'd bet this was cuased by using wrong powder, rather then the wrong ammount. happens more then you think.

 

[cave]

Difference with a progressive is that you could have a few rounds that do that if one thing is off.

I reload witha rockchucker and a dillion progressive and with the rockchucker i have never had a failure but one overcharge on the dillion luckily no damage.

I use the rockchucker for my match rifle ammo and the dillion for my .45

Very true. I use my Dillon for 9mm 380 and 7.62x39. got more than a million rounds through that Dillon. I once made some wildcats. Wasted a the cases and that was all. but sure were fun plinkin loads with unshielded lead.

 

[420HOA]

Been around weapons my whole life and have never seen such a complete failure. Was anyone hurt ? That should be a S & W add for saftey glasses.

 

[Outnumbered]

Bugs Bunny put his finger in the end of the barrel????????

I vote for this one. Seems pretty obvious to me

 

[Flyinbowtie]

a 357 max will not fit in a 357 mag.


It has a longer OAL. its like the 38 357 deal. a 38 with fit in a 357, but not the other way around.

I'd bet this was cuased by using wrong powder, rather then the wrong ammount. happens more then you think.

I understand the fitment issue. My poorly made point was some reloader mixing up the powder specs. I know how often it happens.

 

[BigDeck]

15 years ago when I was in the police academy, the same thing happened to a Glock. The entire left side of the slide exploded. If they guy holding it was a lefty he would had to learn to wipe with his right from then on.

Glock and the ammo company both flew out to investigate. Turned out the round was double loaded with powder. Not a gun malfunction. This looks like the revolver equivalent to what happened with the Glock semi auto.

 

[Roaddogg 4040]

How can they tell if a round was double loaded? I'm sure they can but just wonder how they figure it out...

Steve

 

[Yellowboat]

you can check the ammo still in the gun( assuming there is some)

That will let them know what kind of powder and how much was used.

if the rest check out ok, then it was a double charge.

 

[Roaddogg 4040]

UH, DUH!! ole doppy me...:grumble:

Steve

 

[IRRebel]

If you handload, weigh each loaded round (I do) on a digital powder scale. Regardless of how fast the Dillon machines are (I use one as well for 45 ACP, 10MM and the 357 Maximum discussed earlier, which I will get into in a minute)

I am in the habit of weighing my cases and bullets well before loading them into the machine. Have found, rarely, 200 grain 357's in boxes of 180's, and vice versa, and 210's in boxes of 230 grain 45's. Cases rarely differ THAT much, but I do it so I can reserve the heaviest ones (With the most brass), for my heaviest loads. Just me.

Once you run a few, it's simple math to weigh a few and see where you're at on your settings. This is assuming you're using the right data for the right powder, primer, etc.

Now the 357 max. That is a different animal, and yeah, an enlongated 357 Magnum (Which is an enlongated 38 Special). The problem I have with that theory is that the Max is so rare, it doesn't even show up in most reloading manuals. I have some old ones with the data, and search info pretty regularly on the internet to get the data I use most often.

I guess I can see where a novice would see "357 Maximum" and think it might be a hot new load for his Magnum, but most loads for the Maximum literally fill the flippin case! No way the charges would fit in a magnum case. There are a few, and I use them, with rifle powder or Duplex loads, that do not, but again, Daffy Duck should NOT be allowed in the same room as the Dillon!

THAT 629 in THAT pic had a SERIOUS load issue! Far more than what even a double factory charge would EVER do!

Factory loadings are kinda like lo-test pump gas compared to Avgas as far as getting close to "Hot". Any "Hot" factory load can be beat easily using only the starting points from any reloading manual. The only exceptions, 10mm and .40 s&w. But a completely different matter I'd be happy to explain.

Ray

Rant over, back to your regularly scheduled programming.

 

[BigDeck]

How can they tell if a round was double loaded? I'm sure they can but just wonder how they figure it out...

Steve

I cannot elaborate beyond what I posted. I will be the first to admit I am not really a gun guy. I can only report what I saw and was told about the incident.