SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT ON THE HOWARD/MARKO DEAL

[185EZ]

At least Cactus RV hasn't been mentioned yet.


oops

 

[jeepdog]

I heard they have good donuts

 

[RiverDave]

What pisses me off the most , is I started a thread about this and that carpet riding helmet hair moderator wacked my thread.

Why the fuck is Phil so privileged to not have his thread wacked ..

I may not be back .....

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The only reason it hasn’t been locked Dave is because I have been laid up since I got home..

 

[CobraDave]

Not to argue but just for clarification for other people in here when conducting business, there was consideration in this scenario.

There was an offer on the boat for 24k by the buyer Marko, there was an acceptance of the offer of 24k by the buyer.

The consideration by the buyer Marko was 24k, the consideration by the seller was the boat.

That to be clear is a contract.

Just because the physical transaction had not occurred and the consideration not yet physically exchanged, does not mean there was no contract.

There is no requirement for the buyer Marko to send a small part of the consideration, such as the $100 described here to the seller, just as there is no requirement for the seller to chop 100 dollars of the boat off and send it to the buyer.

It's not worth fighting about as it would cost more to enforce than it is worth, but the more that gets posted, it looks pretty clearly like a contract that the seller breached.

Nerd Alert! [emoji1]


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[PVHCA]

So if you already talked to your close friend not just the rdp crowd why start this thread? Sounds like you already explained it to anyone you care about

Not true, I care about all of you too

 

[PVHCA]

The only reason it hasn’t been locked Dave is because I have been laid up since I got home..

everyone's being civil on this thread, it shouldn't be locked, nothing wrong with different views and opinions. nothing personal as I see it.

 

[Marko]

Not true at all, Marko's uncertainty wrecked this deal

Wow....this is like arguing with a woman!

 

[RiverDave]

It's only one text of many between them you would have to assume.
No different than Edited YouTube police brutality clips.
.
Regardless of who did what to whom and a bunch morality checks, the whole thing stinks when members bash on each other cuz of hurt feelings. Gradeschool shit.
Never anything positive comes of it other than both scabblers adding entertainment to the inmates and new taglines.

This

 

[Marko]

The only reason it hasn’t been locked Dave is because I have been laid up since I got home..

I don't think it's gotten that nasty Dave, What would you have done? WWDD.

 

[CobraDave]

Here is a question to all on the morality topic. Is there an amount of money which would sway an opinion? Say, the difference in the amount to the new buyer is so significant you would sell it “out from under him”. $2,000 $3,000 $5,000 $10,000?

If there is than who are you to decide how valuable a certain amount of money is to a person. A rich person might not care about $10,000 but to a less fortunate person $2,000 might seem like everything to them.

Cobradave <———- not rich.


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[PVHCA]

Wow....this is like arguing with a woman!

check the mirror

 

[Marko]

Everyone say's " No big deal " .......till it's them.

 

[PVHCA]

Here is a question to all on the morality topic. Is there an amount of money which would sway an opinion? Say, the difference in the amount to the new buyer is so significant you would sell it “out from under him”. $2,000 $3,000 $5,000 $10,000?

If there is than who are you to decide how valuable a certain amount of money is to a person. A rich person might not care about $10,000 but to a less fortunate person $2,000 might seem like everything to them.

Cobradave <———- not rich.


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I've asked Marko 2x if bobby offered him any money for his troubles, haven't got that answer yet, everyone seems to think it's about the money when it wasn't.

 

[Marko]

Wow....this is like arguing with a woman!

There was no uncertainty, just what he made up to save face.

 

[was thatguy]

Here is a question to all on the morality topic. Is there an amount of money which would sway an opinion? Say, the difference in the amount to the new buyer is so significant you would sell it “out from under him”. $2,000 $3,000 $5,000 $10,000?

If there is than who are you to decide how valuable a certain amount of money is to a person. A rich person might not care about $10,000 but to a less fortunate person $2,000 might seem like everything to them.

Cobradave <———- not rich.


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That’s kind of what I’m thinking.
I’m poor.
I’m taking the top dollar and will weather the Internet lynching!

It’s more to do with hunger than morals.

 

[Marko]

I've asked Marko 2x if bobby offered him any money for his troubles, haven't got that answer yet, everyone seems to think it's about the money when it wasn't.

He didn't offer me money, he said the other guy would throw me 500 and I wasn't interested. Are you kidding me! It was ABSOLUTELY about the money.

 

[BajaMike]

1. A (firm) offer. Questionable
2. An acceptance. Not clear
3. Consideration (ie something of value goes to seller from buyer). Definitely did not happen.

This is why “verbal contacts” are not recommended.......

 

[PVHCA]

There was no uncertainty, just what he made up to save face.

I don't think he really cares to be honest, he's fine with how he handled it. Did he offer you any money?

 

[ChumpChange]

Not true, I care about all of you too

You have a way with words!

 

[PVHCA]

He didn't offer me money, he said the other guy would throw me 500 and I wasn't interested.

Nowhere near the way that went. but ok, holy cow. Now he's offering someone else's money to appease you, LOL

 

[riverroyal]

$9200.
I'm sending you a cashier's check for $12,300 so you can cash it and give me back my cash change.

Your missing a zero. Let’s do it

 

[Marko]

check the mirror

I'm trying to tell the truth here and you don't have a clue what really went on in our phone conversations. Why are you even involved, where is he?

 

[RiverDave]

[QUOTE="Marko, post: 3367325, member: 1509]he could have waited till Sunday morning to see if the deal was going down and then if not the other guy would be right there[/QUOTE]

I’m not taking sides but in your own words it isn’t a “done deal.” It’s he didn’t wait to see if it would go down, but should have because he had a back up offer?

Then there’s the joke thing (you call it a joke but in text is difficult to determine). At least you wouldn’t feel bad if you didn’t like it.

That doesn’t sound like “I’m buying the boat.. it’s sold”.

It sounds like I have a cashiers check, and I’m very highly interested in purchasing the boat, so long as it floats and starts.”

Guy #2 comes a long and said have cash will buy no matter what plus it’s a 2k better offer.

Personally I would have made a phone call to you and say “This is the deal.. I got s guy that’s gonna buy this thing for more. You have made some comments that leave outs for you not buying it. Where are we at?”

And I would have put you to a decision right then and there at 27 or no dice..

That of course being blind to all the conversations held pre & post.

Even in this thread though as shown above that isn’t a 100% commitment. ??


Personally I am a big fan of deposits.. whether they are refundable or not refundable depending on the demand.

 

[530RL]

 

[Marko]

Nowhere near the way that went. but ok, holy cow. Now he's offering someone else's money to appease you, LOL

Are you shitting me?! That's EXACTLEY the way it went down, he told me the other guy would give me 500....not him. So the other guy would give me 500 and him 2600. You were not on the phone, why don't you butt out?!!

 

[Ziggy]

Your missing a zero. Let’s do it

$09,200.

 

[RiverDave]

Are you shitting me?! That's EXACTLEY the way it went down, he told me the other guy would give me 500....not him. So the other guy would give me 500 and him 2600. You were not on the phone, why don't you butt out?!!

Well that’s bizarre.. lol.

 

[Marko]

If you could have heard the phone conversations you would see that after he asked me for the 10th time I told him I was buying the boat, Geezus Christ, I don't know how much clearer I could have been.

 

[was thatguy]

Everyone say's " No big deal " .......till it's them.

Oh I’ve been there!

But what I’ve also found is that, sometimes, it works out better because next week I got a better deal and was glad the other purchase fell through.
A Chevy dealer in Vegas did the exact thing to me on a C5 3 Black Vette.
He shipped it out after we had spoke because he didn’t think I was on my way to get it, even though I had a bank check in hand.
Guess what?
Found a much better identical one the next week on eBay, in state, less miles, and a couple grand cheaper.

Let it go, you only get fucked as long as you let yourself.
Instead of beating the horse here, shouldn’t you be boat shopping?

 

[brianwhiteboy]

I just spent my entire 30 min. lunch reading this thread.

 

[Backlash]

Ohhhhhh SNAP!!

 

[Marko]

Well that’s bizarre.. lol.

Whatever....That's EXACTLY what was said.

 

[JD D05]

Everyone say's " No big deal " .......till it's them.

I really don't know who did the screwing here or if it was just bad communication. But I really would not care if I lost a purchase like this, I bet a better opportunity comes your way. Patience will provide.

Good luck

 

[boater250s]

What pisses me off the most , is I started a thread about this and that carpet riding helmet hair moderator wacked my thread.

Why the fuck is Phil so privileged to not have his thread wacked ..

I may not be back .....

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That’s funny !!

 

[Marko]

Oh I’ve been there!

But what I’ve also found is that, sometimes, it works out better because next week I got a better deal and was glad the other purchase fell through.
A Chevy dealer in Vegas did the exact thing to me on a C5 3 Black Vette.
He shipped it out after we had spoke because he didn’t think I was on my way to get it, even though I had a bank check in hand.
Guess what?
Found a much better identical one the next week on eBay, in state, less miles, and a couple grand cheaper.

Let it go, you only get fucked as long as you let yourself.
Instead of beating the horse here, shouldn’t you be boat shopping?

Like I said, I could care less about the boat at this point , just not gonna let some flake get away with unscathed. At least everyone knows how some people do business.

 

[coolchange]

It's called a purchase option.
It's for sale for $10,000.
You buy a purchase option from me for $500.
For a specific amount Of time.
You give me $500 to buy my vehicle purchase option. You have 4 days to come up with $9,500. It's not a down payment. It expires in 4 days, you lose your $500.

 

[Done-it-again]

I'm surprised that it was list at 32k and then agreed to sell at 24k. I think Marko is more upset as he lost a DEAL than the boat......

Damn I lost a boat when i was looking as a member paid cash site unseen from Indo to chino. I had a 6am appt that Monday (it was Friday evening) to view it when the owner got back to town. Got a call Sunday saying a guy bought it without looking. The buyer is from here, it's what he does..... I was bummed for sure, ended up finding another one not long after.

 

[Waffles]

I’m not taking sides but in your own words it isn’t a “done deal.” It’s he didn’t wait to see if it would go down, but should have because he had a back up offer?

Then there’s the joke thing (you call it a joke but in text is difficult to determine). At least you wouldn’t feel bad if you didn’t like it.

That doesn’t sound like “I’m buying the boat.. it’s sold”.

It sounds like I have a cashiers check, and I’m very highly interested in purchasing the boat, so long as it floats and starts.”

Guy #2 comes a long and said have cash will buy no matter what plus it’s a 2k better offer.

Personally I would have made a phone call to you and say “This is the deal.. I got s guy that’s gonna buy this thing for more. You have made some comments that leave outs for you not buying it. Where are we at?”

And I would have put you to a decision right then and there at 27 or no dice..

That of course being blind to all the conversations held pre & post.

Even in this thread though as shown above that isn’t a 100% commitment. ??


Personally I am a big fan of deposits.. whether they are refundable or not refundable depending on the demand.

This right here. The context of that text, regardless if it was jokingly or not, would've had me questioning the sale. I don't have the patience to deal with tire kickers which is why I don't discuss pricing when shit is sight unseen. If you're going to waste my time trying to haggle me down in price, im going to waste yours by making you drive down from wherever the hell you come from to do so. It seems to me like both buyer and seller were playing the same game. One had a better hand while the other ended up getting "burned" in the process. Nature of the game

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[5oclocksomewhere]

I’m not sure what was more exhausting, reading this thread or the shit I was taking while reading this thread... now back to work I will catch the rest of the saga later.

 

[Marko]

[QUOTE="Marko, post: 3367325, member: 1509]he could have waited till Sunday morning to see if the deal was going down and then if not the other guy would be right there

I’m not taking sides but in your own words it isn’t a “done deal.” It’s he didn’t wait to see if it would go down, but should have because he had a back up offer?

Then there’s the joke thing (you call it a joke but in text is difficult to determine). At least you wouldn’t feel bad if you didn’t like it.

That doesn’t sound like “I’m buying the boat.. it’s sold”.

It sounds like I have a cashiers check, and I’m very highly interested in purchasing the boat, so long as it floats and starts.”

Guy #2 comes a long and said have cash will buy no matter what plus it’s a 2k better offer.

Personally I would have made a phone call to you and say “This is the deal.. I got s guy that’s gonna buy this thing for more. You have made some comments that leave outs for you not buying it. Where are we at?”

And I would have put you to a decision right then and there at 27 or no dice..

That of course being blind to all the conversations held pre & post.

Even in this thread though as shown above that isn’t a 100% commitment. ??


Personally I am a big fan of deposits.. whether they are refundable or not refundable depending on the demand.[/QUOTE]

He didn't ask for one as I stated, I would have gladly gave him one. Ya know I've bought & sold countless boat's car's, motorcycles, you name it over the years and plenty over the phone and never had someone pull this crap. And to think someone would be ok with it blows me away! I guess those days are gone ......

 

[PVHCA]

Like I said, I could care less about the boat at this point , just not gonna let some flake get away with unscathed. At least everyone knows how some people do business.

Exactly, honesty is the best policy, learn it, live it, BTW I'll butt out when I feel the need, or are you gonna threaten me too, LOL? Oh wait you didn't do that either.

 

[Marko]

Did you see multiple post where he states its SOLD? That's a done deal.

 

[PVHCA]

I’m not taking sides but in your own words it isn’t a “done deal.” It’s he didn’t wait to see if it would go down, but should have because he had a back up offer?

Then there’s the joke thing (you call it a joke but in text is difficult to determine). At least you wouldn’t feel bad if you didn’t like it.

That doesn’t sound like “I’m buying the boat.. it’s sold”.

It sounds like I have a cashiers check, and I’m very highly interested in purchasing the boat, so long as it floats and starts.”

Guy #2 comes a long and said have cash will buy no matter what plus it’s a 2k better offer.

Personally I would have made a phone call to you and say “This is the deal.. I got s guy that’s gonna buy this thing for more. You have made some comments that leave outs for you not buying it. Where are we at?”

And I would have put you to a decision right then and there at 27 or no dice..

That of course being blind to all the conversations held pre & post.

Even in this thread though as shown above that isn’t a 100% commitment. ??


Personally I am a big fan of deposits.. whether they are refundable or not refundable depending on the demand.

He didn't ask for one as I stated, I would have gladly gave him one. Ya know I've bought & sold countless boat's car's, motorcycles, you name it over the years and plenty over the phone and never had someone pull this crap. And to think someone would be ok with it blows me away! I guess those days are gone ......[/QUOTE]

Same goes for Bobby and myself but probably more so, never once have we had deal like this over something so petty as feelings getting hurt.

 

[Marko]

Exactly, honesty is the best policy, learn it, live it, BTW I'll butt out when I feel the need, or are you gonna threaten me too, LOL? Oh wait you didn't do that either.

Are you fucking high? Show me where I threatened him! Fake news! Keep spinning it!

 

[RiverDave]

Like I said, I could care less about the boat at this point , just not gonna let some flake get away with unscathed. At least everyone knows how some people do business.

When I put my 270 up for sale I had three people tell me they want it. 100%.

First guy told me 100% no doubt, I’ll take it.

I told him everything is on the market until cash is in hand. We had several otter texts and it’s for sure sold.. lives far away and can’t get their till next week.

If I ally broke down and said ok. I told the other two guys the boat is sold and I’ll let them know if something changes.

I sent paperwork to his bank, and it had to be done right then and there.. so I stopped what we were doing (on way to launch the boat) went to the office scanned / emailed etc.

Guy got financed.. Should be done right?

Didn’t like the interest rate and said he’s gonna pass. I asked what the interest rate was and he said 8%. I asked how much he was putting down and he said zero.

That is actually a pretty good interest rate on a loan that large on a 30 year old boat if ya ask me.

The point of the story, when it fell apart I didn’t go calling the guy out on the internet. I just realized that not everyone is like me. If I say I bought it.. I bought it.

When I bought the 340 Stacy had some reservations and I told her “doesn’t matter now I said I own this thing so I own it.”

The second point I’m making is if I ever sell something again “cash talks and bullshit walks.”

Meaning I’m not saving shit for anyone for any reason. If they want to send a deposit I would entertain it but it’s going to be more than a hundred bucks.. lol.

 

[was thatguy]

I’m not sure what was more exhausting, reading this thread or the shit I was taking while reading this thread... now back to work I will catch the rest of the saga later.

Am I to understand that you took a dump off the clock???
Wtf?

 

[PVHCA]

Did you see multiple post where he states its SOLD? That's a done deal.

was there money in hand and tile changed? ain't done then

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Did you see multiple post where he states its SOLD? That's a done deal.

To be fair.. there are as many of those as there are “Buyer Backed Out! This Is Still For Sale!”

 

[Marko]

He didn't ask for one as I stated, I would have gladly gave him one. Ya know I've bought & sold countless boat's car's, motorcycles, you name it over the years and plenty over the phone and never had someone pull this crap. And to think someone would be ok with it blows me away! I guess those days are gone ......

Same goes for Bobby and myself but probably more so, never once have we had deal like this over something so petty as feelings getting hurt.[/QUOTE]

Yeah because obviously you didn't deal with a douche like Bobby. Most out there wouldn't pull that crap.

 

[PVHCA]

Are you fucking high? Show me where I threatened him! Fake news! Keep spinning it!

read your post in the classified section, what is that not there either?