schiada rigging

[aaronschiada]

looking for schiada Z-mount motor mounts?

 

[RiverDave]

You have to buy that directly from Schiada.

RD

 

[FrznJim]

Good luck getting that z channel from Schiada. I tried for six months to get some for mine, and was not sucessful. It is a special run of aluminum with a minimum quantity order and Lee doesn't have a whole lot of it left. If you really want the z channel look, it would be easier to bolt two angles together. Just my opinion.......

 

[schiadastan]

We have a tone of it now. We owen the die for it and the only way we
can get it is for Kaiser to stop all there runs and make it for us.
It helps when you went to school and are very good freinds with
the CEO's son of Kaiser Steel. The only thing is we like to use it only in Schiada's and it cost so much that it would scare you off any way.
If you still would want some give Lee or i a call.
Stan

 

[RiverDave]

looking for schiada Z-mount motor mounts?

Let us know which route you end up going with.

RD

 

[farmo83]

Out of curiosity what is a Z mount ?

 

[RiverDave]

Out of curiosity what is a Z mount ?

Most people use "angle" for building rail kits for boats..

Schiada had their own extrusion tool made, so there's looks like a "Z' Or rather an "L" with a top lip going to the left.

So it goes on top of the stringer, down and then out again. Near as I can tell they are the only people that have this in the boating industry..

RD

 

[Riverbound]

Good luck getting that z channel from Schiada. I tried for six months to get some for mine, and was not sucessful. It is a special run of aluminum with a minimum quantity order and Lee doesn't have a whole lot of it left. If you really want the z channel look, it would be easier to bolt two angles together. Just my opinion.......

I did a quick Google search and with not knowing what dimensions you are looking for I found numerous sources where you can find Z-channel aluminum.

 

[Riverbound]

I wasn't going to burst that bubble, but I did one awhile back and it didn't look that hard to get to me either..

RD

Google is your friend

 

[schiadastan]

please find the size we use. they do make other sizes . Like i said
before there is no demaned for the size we use so you well not find it,
trust me or i would of when we ran out.
Stan
Side note;
have fun trying to mill it out of bar stock. you think z stock cost alot.
also i dont think you could keep it cool in any machine with out
haveing it bend up from the heat. Just my two cent's

 

[RiverDave]

In reality i looked around for some similar Z stock. To get exactly what Schiada has you'd have to get a die made and depending on the extrusion house the minimum order will be 500lbs (150'ish feet) up to 2000lbs.. (600'ish feet)

So the price of the Z stock is high at Schiada, but when you factor in that they have to buy a truck load of it and sit on it for 5 - 6 years it makes sense.

RD

 

[Sawtooth]

Two years ago I asked Lee about it at the boat show while we were BS'ing and he had said that it was no longer available, we talked about just using angle and putting one leg on top of the stringer and the other leg against the inside of the stringer pointing down. But now that I read Stans post about having more of it now maybe someone could PM me or send me a email with a price per foot. Maybe I could just quit buying food for a week or two and buy me some aluminum Z stock......I mean c'mon, you have to have your prioritys straight

 

[ColeTR2]

looking for schiada Z-mount motor mounts?

Can anyone tell me what the benefits of using this are? I don't see how it can be stronger then having the engine sit on the stringers. And if you really want this.... Why not use I beam stock and machine the two edges off.

 

[RiverDave]

I was talking to Stan awhile back about the Z channel and there was some "rigging" advantages too it.. for the life of me I can't remember what they were right now.

Mostly though it's typical "Schiada!" They just wanted to do something different and their own way as opposed to copying everyone else.

There's not a lot of "benefit" to making some of the parts they make out of one solid chunk of aluminum as opposed to two bolted together, but they like to do things the way they like to do them.. and nobody at the end of the day is going to accuse them of being cheap about it!

RD

 

[420HOA]

We have a tone of it now. We owen the die for it and the only way we
can get it is for Kaiser to stop all there runs and make it for us.
It helps when you went to school and are very good freinds with
the CEO's son of Kaiser Steel. The only thing is we like to use it only in Schiada's and it cost so much that it would scare you off any way.
If you still would want some give Lee or i a call.
Stan

Scared me !

 

[DRIVE BYE]

Get busy on that rig G.L. im getting impatient!

 

[Racey]

Z channel is complete garbage in my opinion, not only does it not support the weight of the engine as well, it also makes it hard to clean the corners of the bilge where the stringer meets, or to inspect for glass delam, I have never understood why anyone would use that crap.....I see no benifit to it whatsoever, but we all have our own opinions

 

[RiverDave]

Z channel is complete garbage in my opinion, not only does it not support the weight of the engine as well, it also makes it hard to clean the corners of the bilge where the stringer meets, or to inspect for glass delam, I have never understood why anyone would use that crap.....I see no benifit to it whatsoever, but we all have our own opinions

So cutting down the tops of the stringers is a better option?

RD

 

[FrznJim]

Shane,
Now don't sugar coat it, just come right out with it!! LOL

 

[420HOA]

Shane,
Now don't sugar coat it, just come right out with it!! LOL

Jim did you sell the guage package out of the Howard ?:hmm

 

[420HOA]

Get busy on that rig G.L. im getting impatient!

Baby First, Boys Second, Wife, Dogs, Lifestyle, G:swear

 

[Racey]

So cutting down the tops of the stringers is a better option?

RD

Who said anything about cutting down the stringers.... :hmm
Z channel still rests on top of the stringers just like regular angle would....

 

[RiverDave]

It was a joke.

RD

 

[Racey]

It was a joke.

RD

Obviously it went right over my head

 

[RiverDave]

For some reason I thought you guys cut down teh stringers to flush mount the rails.. I looked at the pics, but it doesn't look to be the case.

The Z channel makes for a sano install..

RD

 

[Sawtooth]

Scared me !

Scared me also, I am starting to understand why they ask into the 6 figures for a new/rigged 21RC with no power

 

[ColeTR2]

Z channel is complete garbage in my opinion, not only does it not support the weight of the engine as well, it also makes it hard to clean the corners of the bilge where the stringer meets, or to inspect for glass delam, I have never understood why anyone would use that crap.....I see no benifit to it whatsoever, but we all have our own opinions

true... TRUE... AND MORE TRUE

Was thinking all of what you said above when I asked the question? Just didn't have the words to say it so Eloquently....

 

[schiadastan]

Z channel is complete garbage in my opinion, not only does it not support the weight of the engine as well, it also makes it hard to clean the corners of the bilge where the stringer meets, or to inspect for glass delam, I have never understood why anyone would use that crap.....I see no benifit to it whatsoever, but we all have our own opinions

Well Racey just how manny v-drive's have you rigged from start to finish?
I can tell you one thing i have over 200 to my shop. I have used z-stock
on almost all of them and have never broken them. I feel the z-stock is
stronger becouse of all the angle put into it. By resting the motor weight
on top as well as on the side's of the stringer. Also by using full motor
plates it ties both stringers together. As for delam come on just look
at the stringer and the hull when you clean the bilge. I feel cleaning a
bilge of a v-drive is not easy, even if you have angle as the motor rail.
By the way just playing with you on how manny boats you have put together, i feel you and your Dad do some of the best work out there.
I well see you in Parker on Sept. 12 and 13th.
Stan

 

[Racey]

Well Racey just how manny v-drive's have you rigged from start to finish?
I can tell you one thing i have over 200 to my shop. I have used z-stock
on almost all of them and have never brocken them. I feel the z-stock is
stronger becouse of all the angle put into it. By resting the motor weight
on top as well as on the side's of the stringer. Also by using full motor
plates it ties both stringers together. As for delam come on just look
at the stringer and the hull when you clean the bilge. I feel cleaning a
bilge of a v-drive is not easy, even if you have angle as the motor rail.
By the way just playing with you on how manny boats you have put together, i feel you and your Dad do some of the best work out there.
I well see you in Parker on Sept. 12 and 13th.
Stan

If we all rigged them the same we'd have one boring industry wouldn't we!

Unfortunately I won't make it to the Sept Regatta, I have a huge wedding to attend in LA that weekend, The groom is also a Schiada owner, he tells me 'Tell those punks to reschedule the regatta'

 

[RiverDave]

Your not going to the regatta? WTF?

RD

 

[schiadastan]

I was always told there is more than one way to rigg a v-drive boat.
I know one thing, that 24 you run around in is bad ass. It's the fastest
24 out there, and looks like a show peace. I think we all have are owen
style in rigging. I can still tell if you did one both Mikes at prime, Gary
Teague, and even when Bob Teage put one together, and we cant forget
Mr. Brumett and Dunsmore. Its all good stuff. And for the wedding go to the second one. JUST KIDDING. I'm sure with nase getting real low you well see me Parker before Sept.
Stan

 

[Racey]

Your not going to the regatta? WTF?

RD

No but I'll be down this coming weekend

 

[RiverDave]

Your going to parker this weeked?

RD

 

[plaster dave]

I know this is an old thread but I need some of this Z rails. How does one get it from Schiada?

 

[welldigger00]

I had to buy a 25 year old boat from Lee that had some in it already

 

[plaster dave]

I had to buy a 25 year old boat from Lee that had some in it already

My 35 year old boat didn't come with it.

 

[djunkie]

My 35 year old boat didn't come with it.

You should see the rigging in my 38 year old boat. Needless to say we're pushing the limits of my setup. Lol

 

[FrznJim]

Dave,

Here's a link that I right clicked from a post years ago...hope it still works.

http://www.americanaluminum.com/standard/zBar

 

[plaster dave]

Dave,

Here's a link that I right clicked from a post years ago...hope it still works.

http://www.americanaluminum.com/standard/zBar

Thanks Jim, I'm installing your old motor next week.

 

[plaster dave]

You should see the rigging in my 38 year old boat. Needless to say we're pushing the limits of my setup. Lol

With my new motor I don't want to push the limits.

 

[plaster dave]

What does the Z Bar sell for per foot through this company? Thanks

I'm gonna call Monday.

 

[msmeads]

I'm gonna call Monday.

Thanks, let us all know.

 

[msmeads]

I'm gonna call Monday.

any updates on what you found.

 

[plaster dave]

any updates on what you found.

I'm gonna rig it with L metal not Z so I didn't call.

 

[Boat Anchor]

any updates on what you found.

6061-T6 Structural Zee Bar is available at the following vendors. It is
a little different dimensionally than the Zee Bar that Schiada has
custom manufactured, in that Schiada's material is 0.375 inches thick,
and the material available off the shelf at these other vendors is
0.250 inches thick.
The inside radiuses may be different as well. The typical inside radius
of the off the shelf material is 0.188 inch. When speaking to sales
people at these various vendors, request a cross section print
identifying over all dimensions, thicknesses, and radiuses of the
material, as there are several different versions available. This material
is sold by the pound and typically comes in 25 to 30 foot lengths. You
may have to purchase the entire length. They will cut it for shipping.
.

Yarde Metals www.yarde.com (East Coast)
Yarde Metal Supply stocks 0.250 thick 6061-T6 "Z Bar" in two different
sizes.

First size is 3.0000 x 2.688 x 0.250 x 25' 0"

Second size is 4.0000 x 3.062 x 0.250 x 25' 0"

ALUMINUM Z BAR

6061-T6 Z ZB
D:ASTM B221 ASTM B308 SPOT MARKED
M:ASTM B221 ASTM B308 SPOT MARKED

Seminole Sales Inc. www.semsales.com
(407) 814-0797 (Florida)

6061-T6 Z-Bar 3 x 2.33 x 25.0

Charleston Aluminum LLC
Gaston, South Carolina
(803) 939-4600
Extruded Aluminum Angle 6061-T6 Zee Bar
www.charlestonaluminum.com

Trident Metals (Texas)
www.trident-metals.com
6060-T6 Zee Bar

 

[msmeads]

6061-T6 Structural Zee Bar is available at the following vendors. It is
a little different dimensionally than the Zee Bar that Schiada has
custom manufactured, in that Schiada's material is 0.375 inches thick,
and the material available off the shelf at these other vendors is
0.250 inches thick.
The inside radiuses may be different as well. The typical inside radius
of the off the shelf material is 0.188 inch. When speaking to sales
people at these various vendors, request a cross section print
identifying over all dimensions, thicknesses, and radiuses of the
material, as there are several different versions available. This material
is sold by the pound and typically comes in 25 to 30 foot lengths. You
may have to purchase the entire length. They will cut it for shipping.
.

Yarde Metals www.yarde.com (East Coast)
Yarde Metal Supply stocks 0.250 thick 6061-T6 "Z Bar" in two different
sizes.

First size is 3.0000 x 2.688 x 0.250 x 25' 0"

Second size is 4.0000 x 3.062 x 0.250 x 25' 0"

ALUMINUM Z BAR

6061-T6 Z ZB
D:ASTM B221 ASTM B308 SPOT MARKED
M:ASTM B221 ASTM B308 SPOT MARKED

Seminole Sales Inc. www.semsales.com
(407) 814-0797 (Florida)

6061-T6 Z-Bar 3 x 2.33 x 25.0

Charleston Aluminum LLC
Gaston, South Carolina
(803) 939-4600
Extruded Aluminum Angle 6061-T6 Zee Bar
www.charlestonaluminum.com

Trident Metals (Texas)
www.trident-metals.com
6060-T6 Zee Bar

Thanks for the info