SAVE LAKE MEAD NOW!!!

[Ethernet]

Save Lake Mead Now

The NPS in their November 2022 Newsletter states this:



“The National Park Service(NPS) is initiating a plan and environmental assessment (EA) for

Lake Mead National Recreation Area (“park”) to provide strategic direction and future of

Motorized boat launching and related commercial services, facilities, and infrastructure

needs at five key locations: Hemenway Harbor, Echo Bay, Calville Bay, Temple Bar, and

South Cove. “





They have three (3) Management Concepts they are considering and could go into effect as soon

as Spring/Summer of 2023. These three Management Concepts in summary would result in the

following:



Concept # 1 – Leave the Marina’s Operating as they are currently.



Concept # 2 – Callville Bay – Discontinue and Close concession services, close Marina, close

trailer village, Restaurant, boat shop, comfort stations, and all other

infrastructure. Means no more Potable Water, Fuel, Electricity,

Sewer or Docks.



Temple Bar - – Discontinue and Close concession services, close Marina, close

trailer village, Restaurant, boat shop, comfort stations, and all other

infrastructure. Means no more Potable Water, Fuel, Electricity,

Sewer or Docks.



Concept # 3 – Close the Entire Lake to Motorized Water- Based Recreation and close all Marina’s


In the Newsletter and the plan and environmental assessment (EA) there is lots of references to

Protecting the shoreline, Habitat, and Plants. Read it all and Pay attention.



Please read the following and please send letters, emails, and show up in person to attend

the in person meetings.



Please read the following link in its entirety and act:



https://parkplanning.nps.gov/document.cfm?documentID=124787

 

[throttle]

Not a good end to this story.

 

[Echo Lodge]

NPS wants to throw in the towel!

 

[DirtyWhiteDog]

LoL, protect shoreline and plants. What elevation shoreline are they talking about. My guess is a total ban, then negotiate to the minimum after the protest/outrage

 

[Desert Whaler]

Typical . . . no surprise here.

 

[Taboma]

A National Recreational Area where recreation is not allowed.
Is this relative to the current water conditions, or regardless if the lake by some miracle came up to a more normal level (Whatever that might be) ?

 

[throttle]

A National Recreational Area where recreation is not allowed.
Is this relative to the current water conditions, or regardless if the lake by some miracle came up to a more normal level (Whatever that might be) ?

"A National Recreational Area where recreation is not allowed", this would be my fear... and Lake Powell follows a few years later. Lake levels are at all time lows, new developments/homes keep coming... they will be dry in less than 5/10 years at the recent rates of losses. They can cry global warming and climate change all they want... However they never mention how our population /communities have grown in masses.

 

[Taboma]

"A National Recreational Area where recreation is not allowed", this would be my fear... and Lake Powell follows a few years later. Lake levels are at all time lows, new developments/homes keep coming... the well will be dry in less than 5/10 years at the recent rates of losses. They can cry global warming and climate change all they want... However they never mention how our population /communities have grown in masses.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[throttle]

Add more salt to wound... the dams will not be able to produce power as they currently do. I don't see the lights going out in Vegas, but someone isnt gonna be able to charge their electric car.

 

[Ethernet]

"A National Recreational Area where recreation is not allowed", this would be my fear... and Lake Powell follows a few years later. Lake levels are at all time lows, new developments/homes keep coming... they will be dry in less than 5/10 years at the recent rates of losses. They can cry global warming and climate change all they want... However they never mention how our population /communities have grown in masses.

It will not dry up - California is cutoff at "dead pool", and 99% of the water Southern Nevada uses gets recycled and put back into the lake.

 

[Ethernet]

Add more salt to wound... the dams will not be able to produce power as they currently do. I don't see the lights going out in Vegas, but someone isnt gonna be able to charge their electric car.

Vegas gets VERY LITTLE power from the Dam... less than 5% I believe.

 

[Desert Whaler]

Just watch, they'll use the lower water level as an excuse to shut it all down.
Then they don't have to pay for any upkeep, no patrols, no concession nightmares, trash, pollution, accidents, liabilities etc. etc.
It'll fit right in with the whole clean/green agenda perfectly.

Reminds Me of when Clinton signed the 'Marine Life Protection Act' on his last day in office.
In its 'name' it sounds fine right? Who doesn't wanna 'Protect Marine Life'???
Then came the 'MPA's' or 'Marine Protected Areas' . . . Yep full on closures, AKA 'NO GO ZONES'.
They railroaded all that shit down our throats and closed 1/3 of the best portions along the CA coast to fishing.

My Fishing Buddy Al was a character when it was all being litigated, he said, "Just shut it all down so we can get on with our life's, your gonna take it all anyways, so just rip the scab off already and get it over with" !!!!!
Sure as shit, he was right.

 

[Hypnautic]

This is the kind of meeting we should show up with our boats in tow.
Take over the entire parking lot.

How much revenue does the park service get from day/annual passes? Not enough--so the next phase would be to limit access to the lake in whole.
Are they going to buy out everyone in the mobile home areas?

 

[hallett21]

Gotta be way too much business off of the water to let this happen.

 

[grumpy88]

Is there a date and location of meeting?

 

[Taboma]

Here's the original newsletter "Sustainable Low Water Access Plan" article. I think it's worth the read in addition to the Parkplanning link that was provided by the OP.

SLWAP - Lake Mead National Recreation Area (U.S. National Park Service)

www.nps.gov

Here's a link to the PDF with more additional information on this subject

https://parkplanning.nps.gov/showFile.cfm?projectID=111766&MIMEType=application%252Fpdf&filename=LAKE%5FSLWAP%5FNewsletter%5F2022%5F1122%5F508%2Epdf&sfid=617249

 

[Brokeboatin221]

There’s definitely plenty of shoreline to protect . Maybe they can keep it open for kayaking and electric boats. They could build a juice it up with a Starbucks with EV charging stations

 

[Ethernet]

MEETINGS:
Dec 6th 5pm-7pm MST @ Meadview Civic Association Building
Dec 7th 12pm-2pm PST @ Boulder City Bureau Reclamation
Dec 8th 5pm-7pm MST @ Kingman Office of Tourism
Dec 14th 4pm-6pm PST Virtual meeting https://tinyurl.com/LAKE-DecPublic-Meeting

 

[JFMFG]

This isn’t good.

 

[Singleton]

Almost all the marinas are on concession leases with NPS, so operational costs are low.
That said, those leases have clauses that require NPS to maintain access and currently access is not being maintained. Marinas that maintained access are allowed to charge back those expenses to NPS.

Follow the money, NPS does not have the $$ to maintain access, so closing it to motorized boats is what they want. Then NPS can charge for removal of boats that are not moved

 

[grumpy88]

Why are the meetings always during the time normal people are at work , hum . Ass holes

 

[throttle]

Vegas gets VERY LITTLE power from the Dam... less than 5% I believe.

I recall this being stated in another conversation as well, but don't remember the source I bought into it then and agree, which is why I mentioned I don't see the lights going out in Vegas. But we know there will be repercussions to some effect.

 

[throttle]

It will not dry up - California is cutoff at "dead pool", and 99% of the water Southern Nevada uses gets recycled and put back into the lake.

I may have used the wrong term "dry up".

I think what I am alluding to is the that launch ramps are high and dry. Many unusable or in bad shape (hence the signs that warn, launch at own risk) in several locations already. Echo Bay looks like a ghost town on a Hollywood movie set (dead palms, abandoned structures and vacant hotel, docks sitting on dirt where they cant even see the lake).

In my opinion, Callville and Temple Bar are soon to follow, and with the nature of this post I don't get warm and fuzzy thinking that the NPS is going to spend any money to keep chasing the water line to the bottom so we can go boating.

 

[Wizard29]

Does Concept 3 really mean closing the entire lake to boats? Doesn't seem like it the way I read it, but it certainly doesn't seem to be a positive option either.

 

[Looking Glass]

I may have used the wrong term "dry up".

I think what I am alluding to is the that launch ramps are high and dry. Many unusable or in bad shape (hence the signs that warn, launch at own risk) in several locations already. Echo Bay looks like a ghost town on a Hollywood movie set (dead palms, abandoned structures and vacant hotel, docks sitting on dirt where they cant even see the lake).

In my opinion, Callville and Temple Bar are soon to follow, and with the nature of this post I don't get warm and fuzzy thinking that the NPS is going to spend any money to keep chasing the water line to the bottom so we can go boating.

But there is a Golf Course on every other block, many homes with Pools, and Irrigation everywhere. On and On and On!! When I moved out here 20 years ago and spent some time at Hoover Damn and saw the "Water Line" I was "WTF" are these people doing about this? I actually never heard any concerns until the last couple of years. I guess No Problem- Until there is one., and this is a Disaster Looming.

 

[angiebaby]

Mohave is next.

 

[Looking Glass]

I read an article some time back about all the Farm Ground in Mohave County that was purchased by the Saudis to grow Alfalfa and are sucking all the Aqua Fir Water they can and want to and then sending the Hay back over to the Desert over there for their Livestock, Real Nice for the Neighbors and actually everyone else depending on this water. Depleting the "Water Table" affects everything. You have to wonder if allowing all the Foreign Countries to come over and buy up "America" will at some time create problems that when serious enough they just pack up and leave us Holding an "Empty Bucket"

 

[hallett21]

I read an article some time back about all the Farm Ground in Mohave County that was purchased by the Saudis to grow Alfalfa and are sucking all the Aqua Fir Water they can and want to and then sending the Hay back over to the Desert over there for their Livestock, Real Nice for the Neighbors and actually everyone else depending on this water. Depleting the "Water Table" affects everything. You have to wonder if allowing all the Foreign Countries to come over and buy up "America" will at some time create problems that when serious enough they just pack up and leave us Holding an "Empty Bucket"

They bought the land with American Corporations is my understanding. Shame on us for not seeing the opportunity/future problem.

If an American was selling it to the Saudis we’d call it capitalism. But it wouldn’t change the fact that the farms on the CO river are extremely inefficient at watering. And it’s due to their guaranteed water rights. Why would you change your irrigation if you didn’t have to?

Same goes for the San Joaquin Valley however they are much more efficient at watering. But growing produce for the US comes at a cost. And growing extremely thirsty plants (almonds come to mind) doesn’t make it any easier.

If the state of CA would spend money on our future we could handle this quickly. But you know bullet trains, million dollar homeless condos yada yada yada.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

Mohave is next.

Nah the environuts really want Powell to go back to being Glen Canyon and pull the dam out, too.

You can Google it: “Fill Mead First”

 

[Desert Whaler]

Why are the meetings always during the time normal people are at work , hum . Ass holes

Exactly what the Commission did for the MPA's . . . the meetings were mid-week around 5:00 pm.
One was in Long Beach with the worst possible parking scenario you could imagine.
I went to a few of them and actually stood in line to speak at a couple.
The last one I went to, the people of the 'Malibu Colony' had chartered a few buses and filled them with kids all wearing the same 'Blue' t-shirt.
Had to have been a couple hundred.
They all stood in line with posters they had drawn of marine life like dolphins, seals, pelicans, etc . . . and once on the mic. told their story of how they love watching the whales go by etc. etc.
Meanwhile, no one from the fishing side, wether commercial, recreational, sport boats, or spear-fisherman got the chance to speak because all the kids blocked the time allotted.

I knew it was over right then.
Hard to fight wealthy, well educated & organized psycho's ,with no life & nothing better to do.

 

[Ziggy]

I recall this being stated in another conversation as well, but don't remember the source I bought into it then and agree, which is why I mentioned I don't see the lights going out in Vegas. But we know there will be repercussions to some effect.

Have you see how much of the deserts have been shaded by solar panels lately?
Talk about changing the climate......

 

[yuppie]

 

[RiverDave]

This is crazy town..

 

[rivermobster]

Man oh man...

There is a shit ton of work that Needs to be done here and I kinna doubt that it will happen.

These meetings are dog and pony shows. The decision has already been made.

Unless someone puts together a group that resembles the ASA, gets organized and hires the right lobbyists, our time on the water is almost done.

Let's hope the boat manufacturers get together and make this happen.

A strong showing at the meetings Could help. The sqeeky wheel always gets the grease.

 

[MSum661]

bummer

 

[Havaduner]

Have you see how much of the deserts have been shaded by solar panels lately?
Talk about changing the climate......

HA! Was just thinking about this rolling into Desert Center Sunday morning, all the panels going up. So when I got home, I googled it. "Do solar panel farms increase ambient tempatures?" Sure as shit, a dozen or so reports come up, showing that these solar panel farms can actually be adding to "global warming".... Go figure.

 

[FROGMAN524]

My prediction: All the Colorado river lakes will be closed, economy in the shitter, housing market trashed, turmoil around the world and all the west coast builders will STILL have a year wait and be asking $300,000 for a deck boat.

 

[Looking Glass]

HA! Was just thinking about this rolling into Desert Center Sunday morning, all the panels going up. So when I got home, I googled it. "Do solar panel farms increase ambient tempatures?" Sure as shit, a dozen or so reports come up, showing that these solar panel farms can actually be adding to "global warming".... Go figure.

Actually "Living" increases "Global Warming"

 

[MPHSystems]

Well, that’s one way to fix the nightly shit show at Hemingway.

 

[QC22]

How come nobody focuses on Option 1? An optimist might say this could be the beginning of a much needed renewal at Lake Mead.

And Lake Powell has a significant presence from the Navajo tribe, all they do is show up at one meeting and end of discussion. Nothing will happen there for that reason alone. They've been talking about draining Lake Powell since before the dam was completed.

 

[yuppie]

Can Lake Mead even recover at this point? I thought it was already setup to run completely dry and thats that.

 

[FROGMAN524]

How come nobody focuses on Option 1? An optimist might say this could be the beginning of a much needed renewal at Lake Mead.

And Lake Powell has a significant presence from the Navajo tribe, all they do is show up at one meeting and end of discussion. Nothing will happen there for that reason alone. They've been talking about draining Lake Powell since before the dam was completed.

 

[HB2Havasu]

"A National Recreational Area where recreation is not allowed", this would be my fear... and Lake Powell follows a few years later. Lake levels are at all time lows, new developments/homes keep coming... they will be dry in less than 5/10 years at the recent rates of losses. They can cry global warming and climate change all they want... However they never mention how our population /communities have grown in masses.

or pumping water thru the dam to sell cheap electricity. Maybe stopping that practice should be on their referendums?

 

[Not So Fast]

They blame the drought and no doubt it has hurt the lakes water levels, but in reality there are way too many straws sucking the life out of it. Just plain facts show it
NSF

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

They blame the drought and no doubt it has hurt the lakes water levels, but in reality there are way too many straws sucking the life out of it. Just plain facts show it
NSF

No, they let too much drain to the ocean. The delta in Mexico is flooded with water. It was just a trickle 20 years ago.

 

[Not So Fast]

No, they let too much drain to the ocean. The delta in Mexico is flooded with water. It was just a trickle 20 years ago.

Thats funny because ive read just the opposite but I have not seen it with my own eyes

 

[Riverbottom]

Thats funny because ive read just the opposite but I have not seen it with my own eyes

I have lived on the river in Parker for 30 plus years. They have dumped more water in the last three years than the past twenty years. Every night the water is a foot to eighteen inches higher than normal all year round. Even when the farmers are not calling for irrigation water it is still flowing.

 

[FreeBird236]

Can Lake Mead even recover at this point? I thought it was already setup to run completely dry and thats that.

Yes, just more conservation and snow fall in Co. and Utah mostly. This years snopak started really good, but has evened out, however several storms are forecast for the next couple of weeks.

 

[JFMFG]

So should I sell my deck and get a big V for the ocean? Is that where this is going?

 

[Desert Whaler]

So should I sell my deck and get a big V for the ocean? Is that where this is going?

The Ocean is CLOSED.