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Young couple just bought a house by me. $6400 a month 2 bed 2 bath. I gave them an estimate. House needs about 60k work before they move in. I asked my realtor what He does. Teacher. But most likely there parents are helping them out.
Same thing with the people that just bought my house. Starter house and $5000 a month after they put 20% down.😳😳😳 my payment was $1500🤣 I asked the guy before they bought it. Are you sure buddy that is a lot of money a month to start out! I think his parents were helping out a bunch
 

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All kidding aside...

Stop looking at "averages" and look at reality.

I bought my first house in Baldwin Park. It's a POS neighborhood, I had my house broken into and listened to sirens Every night. I fixed the place up nice while I lived there.

But ya know what?

It still increased in value.

In 5 years I had enough equity to sell and buy something else. I'm not afraid to work and bust my ass.

I never thought I'd be buying my first house in San Marino. Do you think kids today think the same way??

One of my pals never graduated HS, but starting buying shit hole empty lots and building cheap ass houses on them. He ain't starving today.

Less whining. More working!!! 💪
I set the parameters at 225k-600k and a house.

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All kidding aside...

Stop looking at "averages" and look at reality.

I bought my first house in Baldwin Park. It's a POS neighborhood, I had my house broken into and listened to sirens Every night. I fixed the place up nice while I lived there.

But ya know what?

It still increased in value.

In 5 years I had enough equity to sell and buy something else. I'm not afraid to work and bust my ass.

I never thought I'd be buying my first house in San Marino. Do you think kids today think the same way??

One of my pals never graduated HS, but starting buying shit hole empty lots and building cheap ass houses on them. He ain't starving today.

Less whining. More working!!! 💪
This! I am a seventh grade dropout and didn’t even start working until I was 26. I’m no millionaire but I’ve done all right in a very short amount of time because I bust my ass. If you’re not scared to work hard you can pretty much do whatever you want.
 

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I was reading through my old yearbook Monday night. My English teacher wrote Vic what can I say. You keep my on my toes when you are here. I think maybe if this wasn’t first period I would have seen you a lot more. I know you’ll do great things blah blah blah. This was honors English. I think I had a 6% at the end of the year. She gave me a packet and said If I got it done she would let me pass with a C. I paid someone to do it so that was no problem. While we were talking she said Vic you’ve skates by all honors classes and did really well on your Sat’s without trying. You took algebra 2 as a freshman and everything comes so easy but if you don’t start applying yourself you’re going to end up being a construction worker. Although I’d say I’m doing ok she was right. But how do you deal with a student like me? Never comes to class and when he does he’s drunk or high. If I were in highschool or college now I would absolutely tear it up. My priorities were different back then. I think about my boys growing up a lot. Going to be interesting
This is the problem with teachers. They'll discredit opportunities if it doesn't fit their agenda. All jobs are an opportunity and a learning experience, even construction. Rather than teachers discrediting jobs they need to be teaching how to apply yourself and have consistent growth in your opportunities.
That teacher should've failed you and this is a problem with the education system. In the real world if you show up with 6% of the money to pay rent, you're getting kicked out. You ain't gonna get a make up pass because 10 people want that house and 7 of them are more than capable to pay the rent than you.
 

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I think he thinks you can live in the red container on the 2 acre lot while you build your own house 😂
I can’t see them on phone with chrome. It keeps closing the tab lol.

Is the fixer livable? Has anyone priced rehab materials? My costs for 12 can lights with no trims is $350ish. Trims are another $350. Assuming you like turning them on, a roll of romex is $100.

For gods sake a sheet of drywall is almost double what it used to be lol.

I own a construction company and my wife and I barely afforded buying a home and remodeling it in 2018 lol.
 
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I can’t see them on phone with chrome. It keeps closing the tab lol.

Is the fixer livable? Has anyone priced rehab materials? My costs for 12 can lights with no trims is $350ish. Trims are another $350. Assuming you like Turing them on a roll of romex is $100.

For gods sake a sheet of drywall is almost double what it used to be lol.

I own a construction company and my wife and I barely afforded buying a home and remodeling it in 2018 lol.

No it was on fire 😂. It needs everything.

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So the young couple could not purchase because it’s not habitable. So now they need to bring all cash lol.

Sometimes the stuff the people here come up with is wild. You aren't going to bootstrap your way into rehabbing a $400K gut job in La Puente while living in it. We have not even talked about the school district for your kids yet.

That is your sign to move somewhere else if that is your only affordable home ownership option.
 

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Sometimes the stuff the people here come up with is wild. You aren't going to bootstrap your way into rehabbing a $400K gut job in La Puente while living in it. We have not even talked about the school district for your kids yet.

That is your sign to move somewhere else if that is your only affordable home ownership option.
I’ll bootstrap all the way to the top if the bank will allow it lol 😉
 

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As an investment, to the right person with the right contacts or skill sets, it probably makes sense.
If I had the cash I’d do it all day.

Which proves my point. “Flippers” weren’t really a thing in the 70s-mid 90s.

Today if something remotely makes sense (in so cal) 5-6+ people are bidding on it. And 1 or 2 offers are cash.

The “letter” worked for a while, but with the outrageous cost of living sellers are going with the for sure transaction.
 

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If I had the cash I’d do it all day.

Which proves my point. “Flippers” weren’t really a thing in the 70s-mid 90s.

Today if something remotely makes sense (in so cal) 5-6+ people are bidding on it. And 1 or 2 offers are cash.

The “letter” worked for a while, but with the outrageous cost of living sellers are going with the for sure transaction.

Yea of course. Any retired person telling you to do what they did buying a house 40+ years ago and that because they did it you can do it is asinine.

I’ll take their $80k house at 12% bringing in $40k per year when rent was less than 10% of income.

Now rent is approaching 40% of income and house prices are 7x+ median income.
 

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But somehow the Dodgers can pay a player $700 MILLION to play a child’s game of baseball and people are affording and all to willing to subsidize this kind of salary so until this kind of madness stops things aren’t really that bad out there I guess??


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But somehow the Dodgers can pay a player $700 MILLION to play a child’s game of baseball and people are affording and all to willing to subsidize this kind of salary so until this kind of madness stops things aren’t really that bad out there I guess??


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Because it’s becoming the haves and have nots.

We have starter families competing with families who can purchase (down payment and co sign) primary residences and a few income properties for their children.

And honestly if you had the means why wouldn’t you?

But all this does is cause the starting family 10 years from now to become forced into renting.

I’ll stop typing for 2 mins. Rich men north of Richmond is playing and I’m feeling a rage setting on 🤣
 

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No it was on fire 😂. It needs everything.

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If you had 150k cash, tools, free time, and the skill level to do it yourself, after buying the house you couldn't get a CO once the building inspectors showed up and dry pipe the code book up your ass bringing this 1960s home up to 2023 code.
 

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If you had 150k cash, tools, free time, and the skill level to do it yourself, after buying the house you couldn't get a CO once the building inspectors showed up and dry pipe the code book up your ass bringing this 1960s home up to 2023 code.
You could leave the framing if it wasn’t burnt…. Lol
 

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But somehow the Dodgers can pay a player $700 MILLION to play a child’s game of baseball and people are affording and all to willing to subsidize this kind of salary so until this kind of madness stops things aren’t really that bad out there I guess??


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They were talking about this today on GDLA, even they were saying that's too much. Guess I won't take my kids to a dodger game 😕
 

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Bloated and wasteful administration and board salaries…

Idk about California but I do know about HI DOE…. There are more administrators than teachers in the state system….and paraprofessional’s make more than the entry level teacher’s….
You’re telling me I can get paid for being on the board?
 

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You’re telling me I can get paid for being on the board?
The board in our town had full health bennies for years and probably still does to attract people to serve . Once obummer care came people would run or stay on just to get them. My wife's district she teaches in which is a conservative area has Mom's for Liberty trying to take the board over... which seems good on paper because they would align with us and most people here on most issues , but they are 100% bringing the heat that teachers are overpaid lazy liberals who need less pay...... so at the end of the day that isn't really helping to bring in new or good talent in the classrooms either.
 

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Is there an echo in my head? Lol. I went to a big name private school as well.

I’ve had the same talk with my family. If you put me in school even 5-6 years ago I would tear it up because I could see the path I wanted to travel.

It doesn’t help that when I went into High school the trades were looked at like the lowest of the low. Go to college or be a failure.

I should have worked the trades (union legitimate apprenticeship) out of high school and reproached college in my mid 20s. Maybe I wouldn’t go but I’d have a much better grasp of what I wanted to learn. And at 25 you’re not gonna fuck off the way we did at 21 lol.
Reading this year book is such a trip. I really was that guy in highschool 🤦‍♂️
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I put heart on your thread because it has a happy ending/beginning for the family.
They have their health, loving family with prosperity on the horizon.
Yes, it is a shame what is happening here. Just the other day I googled my first home I bought for 61k.
It's now worth 700k!!!!!! WTF.....

The saddest part is you missing the relationship. I get that.
I am happy for them.

Thanks for sharing a heart warming story...
 

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The board in our town had full health bennies for years and probably still does to attract people to serve . Once obummer care came people would run or stay on just to get them. My wife's district she teaches in which is a conservative area has Mom's for Liberty trying to take the board over... which seems good on paper because they would align with us and most people here on most issues , but they are 100% bringing the heat that teachers are overpaid lazy liberals who need less pay...... so at the end of the day that isn't really helping to bring in new or good talent in the classrooms either.
Not ours. I’m a volunteer, Board President at that. Keepin it above board in all ways. Not a chance for issues that way.

Public schools are fun.
 

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I was talking to a few late 20’s to early thirty people
Kids friends . Saying they have great jobs. Make great money . But no way they can get ahead .
Told them , time to get a second job .
And cut out the bullshit spending .
Anything is possible
Sacrifice and hard work
40 hours a week . Is child’s play
I’m close to 60 and still put in 70-80 hours most weeks . I don’t have too . But that’s all I know .
 

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So the young couple could not purchase because it’s not habitable. So now they need to bring all cash lol.
If they're clever they can break in and put it back together enough to meet the loan requirements ... that's what I did to get my first house lol.
 

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So many socal grown men and women getting spoon fed house payments by their parents at the same time they make good money themselves. Shit is wild to me. Best part is they lead on like they did/ are doing it with no help lmao.
I don’t believe much of anything these days. People 🧢
 

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I was talking to a few late 20’s to early thirty people
Kids friends . Saying they have great jobs. Make great money . But no way they can get ahead .
Told them , time to get a second job .
And cut out the bullshit spending .
Anything is possible
Sacrifice and hard work
40 hours a week . Is child’s play
I’m close to 60 and still put in 70-80 hours most weeks . I don’t have too . But that’s all I know .
The couple this thread was originally about work constantly, The Dad has a 10 hour day job then goes home for a quick dinner then goes to his old job and works another 4 hours., 5 days a week. He’s a hard working dude but it still isn’t enough.
The straw that broke the camels back was they had one of those months where their car needed repair, the washer needed replaced, then they had a pipe burst and destroy half the house. That was it, they knew they had to do something.
 

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All kidding aside...

Stop looking at "averages" and look at reality.

I bought my first house in Baldwin Park. It's a POS neighborhood, I had my house broken into and listened to sirens Every night. I fixed the place up nice while I lived there.

But ya know what?

It still increased in value.

In 5 years I had enough equity to sell and buy something else. I'm not afraid to work and bust my ass.

I never thought I'd be buying my first house in San Marino. Do you think kids today think the same way??

One of my pals never graduated HS, but starting buying shit hole empty lots and building cheap ass houses on them. He ain't starving today.

Less whining. More working!!! 💪
THIS!!!! Spot on.

The way that we made it happen.

If I can do it anyone can…..ask anyone that knows me I am not the sharpest tool in the shed. 😆😆😆
 

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So many socal grown men and women getting spoon fed house payments by their parents at the same time they make good money themselves. Shit is wild to me. Best part is they lead on like they did/ are doing it with no help lmao.
I don’t believe much of anything these days. People 🧢
They don’t call it generational wealth for nothing lol
 

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If they're clever they can break in and put it back together enough to meet the loan requirements ... that's what I did to get my first house lol.

Now that there is some creative financing! 😁

I've said this before, but I feel like it's worth saying again...

I was 25, making decent money, and wanted my own place BAD.

I was too ignorant to know what to do, so I took the class at Pasadena Jr College that was a prerequisite to getting a real estate license.

I learned about financing, lot block and track, how to establish value, how credit checks work. Everything one needs to know to pass the real estate exam.

That was probably the smartest thing my dumbass ever did!

I qualified for a negative amortization loan, and crappy house in a POS neighborhood, and worked my way up from there.

I honestly worked seven days a week, to save the twenty percent down payment. I also sold Everything I owned and bought a 72 Gran Torino to get around in. I knew I'd be able to buy it all back eventually, and starving was just temporary.

I'm gonna say, it worked out quite nicely for me.

If you feel like you're never gonna get ahead, educate yourself. Study real estate. Study finance. Focus on the things that Will get you ahead, not the noise and distractions around you.

Your future is up to you. 👍🏼
 

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It’s hard. Takes some luck and patience. I lived in a 4 bedroom apartment with friends and a granny house for years saving up for a house. Ended up moving back in with a family member for 12 months to save the rest of the down payment. Even then I barely qualified for a loan. Ended up going through a few underwriters to get it to pencil. Bought my first house 5 years ago at 29 and it was a piece of trash.

I think it has always been hard. Some times more than others. My grandparents rented for years in the 50s saving up for a first house in SoCal.

My great grandparents never owned. Died in thier 90s in a rental in Tustin.

Agreeably though the rental prices used to be a lot more affordable then they are today. Back then you could rent and save. Now you rent to starve.
 

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I was talking to a few late 20’s to early thirty people
Kids friends . Saying they have great jobs. Make great money . But no way they can get ahead .
Told them , time to get a second job .
And cut out the bullshit spending .
Anything is possible
Sacrifice and hard work
40 hours a week . Is child’s play
I’m close to 60 and still put in 70-80 hours most weeks . I don’t have too . But that’s all I know .

We struggled to make ends meet when we bought our first house at the peak of the market back in 1991. Paid $155k for a 900 sq ft home, doubled the size by remodeling myself nights, weekends & doing trade work that I always took the short end of the stick because I needed it done. Now it's a rental bringing in good money & worth an easy $800k. We didn't even go on a honeymoon because we spent our money on the house.

I doubt if it's any different now except these kids are all spoiled by good times. They're part of a cycle:

"Hard times create STRONG men, strong men create GOOD times, good times create WEAK men, and weak men create HARD times.”
 
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The couple this thread was originally about work constantly, The Dad has a 10 hour day job then goes home for a quick dinner then goes to his old job and works another 4 hours., 5 days a week. He’s a hard working dude but it still isn’t enough.
The straw that broke the camels back was they had one of those months where their car needed repair, the washer needed replaced, then they had a pipe burst and destroy half the house. That was it, they knew they had to do something.
That couple are their own worse enemy. They are doing that to themselves. Unfortunately in life but also common you have to make a drastic move to better yourself and family because of things out of your control (California). With that move can come a better life style. Be it a new career or moving to a completely new area. People face this and do this all the time. By them staying and working those hours is no way to live and the reality is they will go broke safely then end up living in the streets or couch surfing.
 

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I don't believe you can survive on that in any large city in the USA anymore..

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There was a time when teachers, partially due to their rather short working periods, would often have, much like some fire fighters, a second income. Don’t know if that’s still prevalent. What I do know, many of my liberal friends stayed in college to avoid the draft. Many became liberal educators then advanced to liberal administrators. Many now have children who are also teachers. It’s a liberal education snowball, which has overcome our country. We’re now seeing the top of that snow pile at our elite Ivy League schools. More pay will not change that.
 

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My parents were both teachers in Corona-Norco. My father was principal of the first elementary school in the district to win the State's Distinguished School award, and later was President of the school board. They never drove new cars and owned one 1700 sq ft house for 47 years.
Things have changed some. When I retired in 2022 I was at the top of the scale making $120K for 185 work days. The year before that it was about $110K. The year before that was $108K I think. Unions got a ton of money thrown at teachers because of Covid. C-N teachers a got 8% raise this year and i think 3% last year. But HMO health and dental benefits remain well over $2000/mo. for a family of 3 or 4.

Teaching is a noble profession, but the modern state of education is a disaster. The unions and the politicians have ruined it. Parents are no longer helping with problem kids, colleges are focused on nonsense, and cell phones remain the place where 80% of Americans get their information. It is a global nightmare of our own making.
Support good private Christian schools.
 

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The couple this thread was originally about work constantly, The Dad has a 10 hour day job then goes home for a quick dinner then goes to his old job and works another 4 hours., 5 days a week. He’s a hard working dude but it still isn’t enough.
The straw that broke the camels back was they had one of those months where their car needed repair, the washer needed replaced, then they had a pipe burst and destroy half the house. That was it, they knew they had to do something.
Believe you me , i have had that black cloud tied to my wrist , most of my life . Lol
Wasn’t particularly talking about that family
But In general.
Some of the young in’s . Have had it way too easy . Parenting is the biggest issue .

I just look at the people . 250 years ago
Who said fuck it Leave everything behind friends family . To go across the ocean in a dingy for a better life . Then 100 years later say
Fuck it let’s go across this land in wagon trains
Not knowing anything what they are going to encounter . How many died?
Now we have millions of people coming to our country for a better life .
Taking jobs that most American kids use to do





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Yea of course. Any retired person telling you to do what they did buying a house 40+ years ago and that because they did it you can do it is asinine.

I’ll take their $80k house at 12% bringing in $40k per year when rent was less than 10% of income.

Now rent is approaching 40% of income and house prices are 7x+ median
You have no idea. I’m retired. The mortgage rate on our first home purchase was 22%, 1980. Suggestion: do some research on us ‘retired persons’ and what we truly did buying a home 40+ years ago. To not do that research, is rather assinine.
 

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Sometimes the stuff the people here come up with is wild. You aren't going to bootstrap your way into rehabbing a $400K gut job in La Puente while living in it. We have not even talked about the school district for your kids yet.

That is your sign to move somewhere else if that is your only affordable home ownership option.
I bought in 99. Only house within a 60 mile radius of my work under 100k. It was a repo, needed everything. Turned the master into a basecamp, and spent the next year learning a whole lot. I was working my normal 40, as well as working show security in LA, OC and occasionally SD and as far as Bakersfield. Not much time to do work at home, or spend money...or really have fun. I didn't have children or a wife yet, so school districts weren't important. Was it affordable? No, not really. The neighborhood sucked too. It did allow me to have a home for my bride to move in to. I didn't hold out for "the perfect starter home". I wanted a home and to start building some sort of equity. Bootstrapped from the ghetto. It works for some.
 

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You have no idea. I’m retired. The mortgage rate on our first home purchase was 22%, 1980. Suggestion: do some research on us ‘retired persons’ and what we truly did buying a home 40+ years ago. To not do that research, is rather assinine.
My dad who is the biggest “young person” hater there is sounded just like this until he actually ran the numbers and realized how fucked it is for a new family to get on their feet these days. Now he is just in disbelief every time we talk about houses or living expenses. Every person under 45 is still a lazy POS though🤣
 

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I bought the cheapest house I could find at the beach in 92' ( beater home for 213k ) and it ended up costing me because the market stayed flat so when we upgraded (245K) 2 years later we lost at least 15 grand on sales price plus closing costs . I've been in my 27 y.o.'s ear who had been saving for a few years with his wife in PHX to skip the 1,400 sq ft 19' deep garage starter home and save past it , which they did ( bought one of the RV garage 2,400 sq ft 3 toilet tract shacks for 572K 6% fixed for 30 in a good area about 3 days before @Cdog mentioned them in another thread ) . It's doable in many less populated parts of Ca as well with some discipline and 2 incomes.
 
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