RZR question - radius rods

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So I finally got around to doing the sensible thing to my new to me RZR. Instead of bolting more useless aftermarket crap to it, I finished some prep and maintenance work.

In doing so I found a rear radius rod that has some slop in it.

My question is are the factory radius rods rebuildable? I don’t think that they are, but if someone makes a kit to rebuild them I may do that to hold me over.

I see a ton of aftermarket ones, so if they are not rebuildable I will just buy a new aftermarket set.

 

[Bpracing1127]

I’ll take an aftermarket set too lol, you know where I live lol

 

[Bpracing1127]

Define your slop?

 

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Define your slop?

Maybe 1/8” on the inner bushing end of the upper link. All the other 7 ends are fine, no slop.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Super ATV has a set of 4 32mm hex aluminum ones for $199. The heims are probably not great, but those are replaceable.

Tusk has a nice looking reinforced steel high clearance lower radius rod set for $275 and I could run 2 good OE uppers.

Then there are a bunch of aluminum replacements for around $300 and the prices go up from there for billet, or high clearance.


Super ATV $200 set

Tusk High clearance lower.. I can get it in silver to match everything else as well.

 

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I leaning towards the Super ATV aluminium ones because they are light, easily adjustable and rebuildable.

They also make a similar set out of steel for $375, and a boxed steel high clearance set for $400.

 

[Bpracing1127]

I leaning towards the Super ATV aluminium ones because they are light, easily adjustable and rebuildable.

They also make a similar set out of steel for $375, and a boxed steel high clearance set for $400.

For the whole set or just uppers or lowers

 

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For the whole set or just uppers or lowers

Whole set of 4. I went ahead and ordered them, it was $214 shipped. A few people that bought them had pictures in the review section. They look decent. They appear to just be raw aluminum, and just turned out of 7075 hex bar stock.

Apparently in the middle of 2017, the XP 1000 went to the larger 12mm hardware on the radius rods that the Turbo has on the inside.

https://www.superatv.com/polaris-rzr-xp-1000-rear-hex-suspension-links

 

[Hammer]

first time I actually drove the car “hard” no kids or wife.

Debating going long travel kit.


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View attachment 704276 first time I actually drove the car “hard” no kids or wife.

Debating going long travel kit.


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These Super ATV radius rods I got are killer for the price and lighter than stock. You’ll break a lot of other stuff before they break.

 

[Flyinbowtie]

Hammer..

Hey my friend...

Long travel is always cool...but looking at your pic you appear to have stock shocks of the non "dynamix" type, which are...well not optimized for going real fast or going slow, or just cruising. In other words they suck. I think you would be quite happy with the shocks re worked by a good shop and a set of aftermarket radius rods like LOF has going on here.
This is my next and probably final step with this car. I am hoping to sell it in about 18 months. I am going to go with the Assault brand for mine.
I went to Ed Nemiela at Pound Sand, and am really pleased. Look at my thread in the off road section. Lots of folks go to shock therapy and are happy with them too.
You need to drive a car that has had the suspension fixed. It is a whole different ball game.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Hammer..

Hey my friend...

Long travel is always cool...but looking at your pic you appear to have stock shocks of the non "dynamix" type, which are...well not optimized for going real fast or going slow, or just cruising. In other words they suck. I think you would be quite happy with the shocks re worked by a good shop and a set of aftermarket radius rods like LOF has going on here.
This is my next and probably final step with this car. I am hoping to sell it in about 18 months. I am going to go with the Assault brand for mine.
I went to Ed Nemiela at Pound Sand, and am really pleased. Look at my thread in the off road section. Lots of folks go to shock therapy and are happy with them too.
You need to drive a car that has had the suspension fixed. It is a whole different ball game.

Mine has had a Shock Therapy revalve and Eibach spring treatment by the previous owner. The harder I drive it the better the car feels. My first kidless ride with the new tires will be next weekend.

I want to ride in a stock one to really see the difference, everyone says it is night and day.

I’m considering the Walker 2.5 inch shocks for the front. I don’t really think I need long travel, I may do some beefier front lower arms though.

I’m with Flyinbowtie here though. Throw on some better radius rods revalve and respring the shocks and let it eat .

 

[Flyinbowtie]

I knew yours had been worked looking at the upper springs and the crossovers. You will be quite happy to go back to your car after you drive a stocker, believe me, LOL.
I went with the 2.5 Walkers through Ed when I did my rears. The 2.0s are really inadequate for anything beyond chugging around. Fluid capacity isn't enough, it heats up to quickly, and...well you know this stuff probably better than I do. I am happy with the Walker 2.5's on the front of mine for sure.
We are doing a lot more high desert and mountain running these days, which is why I am doing the rear radius rods.
These machines have a lot of travel as built, while LT is awesome it is a ton of $$ to drop on a Rzr. I just don't think I would ever drive it hard enough to justify the $. On my old Teryx it was worth every dime, but that car was not nearly as capable out of the box as the XP is...and the LT was about 60% of what it is for the XP.

 

[530RL]

Rebuild kits here. Different years require different kits.

Lots of companies sell the kits.

https://utvwolfpack.com/polaris-rzr-xp1000-turbo-radius-rod-rebuild-kit-14-16/

https://utvwolfpack.com/polaris-rzr-xp1000-turbo-radius-rod-rebuild-kit-17-18/

 

[Hammer]

Hammer..

Hey my friend...

Long travel is always cool...but looking at your pic you appear to have stock shocks of the non "dynamix" type, which are...well not optimized for going real fast or going slow, or just cruising. In other words they suck. I think you would be quite happy with the shocks re worked by a good shop and a set of aftermarket radius rods like LOF has going on here.
This is my next and probably final step with this car. I am hoping to sell it in about 18 months. I am going to go with the Assault brand for mine.
I went to Ed Nemiela at Pound Sand, and am really pleased. Look at my thread in the off road section. Lots of folks go to shock therapy and are happy with them too.
You need to drive a car that has had the suspension fixed. It is a whole different ball game.

When I get back I’m going to reach out to your guy Ed . I read your shock thread. I have only put about 500 miles on it since new. It was fine running around with the wife and kids. I put it through the paces for the first time yesterday and it was all over the place.

LT kit with shocks seems like the way to go. If it’s wasted money and shocks
And radius rods is all I need then I’d be happy to spend less money. I just don’t want to break more stuff.

Any input would be great.


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Rebuild kits here. Different years require different kits.

Lots of companies sell the kits.

https://utvwolfpack.com/polaris-rzr-xp1000-turbo-radius-rod-rebuild-kit-14-16/

https://utvwolfpack.com/polaris-rzr-xp1000-turbo-radius-rod-rebuild-kit-17-18/

From what I have seen the OE rods are non adjustable and not rebuildable. They don’t have threaded helms, just welded ends with bushings.

If someone offers a bushing kit for the stock rods, I missed it. That was all that was wrong with mine. Considering a new single OE rod is $120, $200 for 4 rebuildable rods seemed like a deal.

 

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When I get back I’m going to reach out to your guy Ed . I read your shock thread. I have only put about 500 miles on it since new. It was fine running around with the wife and kids. I put it through the paces for the first time yesterday and it was all over the place.

LT kit with shocks seems like the way to go. If it’s wasted money and shocks
And radius rods is all I need then I’d be happy to spend less money. I just don’t want to break more stuff.

Any input would be great.


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I hate to be a Resale Richard, but you’ll get pennies on the dollar back out of a LT kit. You’d be better off just buying a used Turbo S. The 72 inch wide cars killed any value a LT XP car had.

Those rods are like the weakest thing in the suspension. Before you do anything, take a ride in a revalved car. You can get stronger front and rear suspension components for more durability for cheap (relatively) if you like the way a revalved car handles.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I knew yours had been worked looking at the upper springs and the crossovers. You will be quite happy to go back to your car after you drive a stocker, believe me, LOL.
I went with the 2.5 Walkers through Ed when I did my rears. The 2.0s are really inadequate for anything beyond chugging around. Fluid capacity isn't enough, it heats up to quickly, and...well you know this stuff probably better than I do. I am happy with the Walker 2.5's on the front of mine for sure.
We are doing a lot more high desert and mountain running these days, which is why I am doing the rear radius rods.
These machines have a lot of travel as built, while LT is awesome it is a ton of $$ to drop on a Rzr. I just don't think I would ever drive it hard enough to justify the $. On my old Teryx it was worth every dime, but that car was not nearly as capable out of the box as the XP is...and the LT was about 60% of what it is for the XP.

Out of curiosity, what spring rates are on your car now?

 

[Hammer]

I hate to be a Resale Richard, but you’ll get pennies on the dollar back out of a LT kit. You’d be better off just buying a used Turbo S. The 72 inch wide cars killed any value a LT XP car had.

Those rods are like the weakest thing in the suspension. Before you do anything, take a ride in a revalved car. You can get stronger front and rear suspension components for more durability for cheap (relatively) if you like the way a revalved car handles.

Well that is unfortunate. Lol.

I wasn’t planning on ever buying another Rzr ever again. This one is paid off. I figured I would just upgrade this one as I go.

I guess I’ll get bigger radius rods and get the suspension tuned and go from there. Honestly I don’t think I “Need” a LT set up for what I am doing.




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Well that is unfortunate. Lol.

I wasn’t planning on ever buying another Rzr ever again. This one is paid off. I figured I would just upgrade this one as I go.

I guess I’ll get bigger radius rods and get the suspension tuned and go from there. Honestly I don’t think I “Need” a LT set up for what I am doing.




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I am in the same boat. I plan on not buying another for a long while.

Get the radius rods to get back on the road, and do some more research. No reason not to keep enjoying it in the mean time.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

When I get back I’m going to reach out to your guy Ed . I read your shock thread. I have only put about 500 miles on it since new. It was fine running around with the wife and kids. I put it through the paces for the first time yesterday and it was all over the place.

LT kit with shocks seems like the way to go. If it’s wasted money and shocks
And radius rods is all I need then I’d be happy to spend less money. I just don’t want to break more stuff.

Any input would be great.


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Call SMP or Tyler Loguzzo. They both work on so many RZR's, i wouldnt be surprised if they know of some badass take-offs that would work well for ya.

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[Hammer]

Call SMP or Tyler Loguzzo. They both work on so many RZR's, i wouldnt be surprised if they know of some badass take-offs that would work well for ya.

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Good call. I’ll swing by SMP and see what he says, or maybe got up Russ to get ahold of his brother.


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[RVRKID]

When I get back I’m going to reach out to your guy Ed . I read your shock thread. I have only put about 500 miles on it since new. It was fine running around with the wife and kids. I put it through the paces for the first time yesterday and it was all over the place.

LT kit with shocks seems like the way to go. If it’s wasted money and shocks
And radius rods is all I need then I’d be happy to spend less money. I just don’t want to break more stuff.

Any input would be great.


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Ed is my buddy and lives around the corner from me, I had him set my RZR up and it is night and day. It rides so bad ass it can get a little scary. He actually told me to be careful at first because you will go faster into turns, he wasn’t lying that’s for sure.


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[Hammer]

Ed is my buddy and lives around the corner from me, I had him set my RZR up and it is night and day. It rides so bad ass it can get a little scary. He actually told me to be careful at first because you will go faster into turns, he wasn’t lying that’s for sure.


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I will give him
A call tomorrow. Thanks!!


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[Flyinbowtie]

Out of curiosity, what spring rates are on your car now?

I am sorry for not getting back to you. The car is in the toyhauler which is covered right now. The next time it dries out enough to unzip one side of the cover I will get that info for you and PM it to you. This is a two seater with over 100 lbs of crap (spares tools etc) in the back so take that info FWIW...

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I am sorry for not getting back to you. The car is in the toyhauler which is covered right now. The next time it dries out enough to unzip one side of the cover I will get that info for you and PM it to you. This is a two seater with over 100 lbs of crap (spares tools etc) in the back so take that info FWIW...

No problem. Thanks!

 

[Hammer]

Went with the ruff stuff specialties radius rod kit


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Went with the ruff stuff specialties radius rod kit


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That’s some heavy duty stuff!!

 

[DEEZNUTS]

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Went with the ruff stuff specialties radius rod kit


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Ruff stuff is good shit. You will be happy. Dan is good people, builds real nice shit.

From an old school jeep guy.

 

[Hammer]

Ruff stuff is good shit. You will be happy. Dan is good people, builds real nice shit.

From an old school jeep guy.

A bunch of my buddies used to be deep into rock crawling before it became a big deal. I knew who they were, I was real surprised to hear they had Rzr parts. Their suspension kit looked pretty trick too. [emoji106][emoji2532]




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[DEEZNUTS]

A bunch of my buddies used to be deep into rock crawling before it became a big deal. I knew who they were, I was real surprised to hear they had Rzr parts. Their suspension kit looked pretty truck too. [emoji106][emoji2532]




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Almost picked their rzr kit, just went with grounded 4 LT for the rzr. I love the ruff stuff shit for my jeeps...

 

[Hammer]

Almost picked their rzr kit, just went with grounded 4 LT for the rzr. I love the ruff stuff shit for my jeeps...

They make nice stuff (grounded 4) re sprung/re-valved the shocks and bought new radius rods. Going to see how it is now. I decided not to go LT, I probably don’t need it since it’s mostly a cruiser seeing how I have the family in it 90% of the time.


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[Hammer]

Radius rods and new shocks are on. Big difference in ride heights. Can’t wait to do a shake down run and put the new set up through its paces.


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[grumpy88]

Polaris rzr have always sat squatted like they were nog sprung right . I'm not a suspension guy at all but it has never seamed right .

 

[Hammer]

Polaris rzr have always sat squatted like they were nog sprung right . I'm not a suspension guy at all but it has never seamed right .

If you look
At the top picture the top spring is completely collapsed. It doesn’t do anything, i have two other buddies that both bought new Rzr’s and they were the same way


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If you look
At the tip picture the top spring is completely collapsed. It doesn’t do anything, i have two other buddies that both bought new Rzr’s and they were the same way


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The springs that come on them suck. They start sagging at mile 1 and go down from there, as you noticed.

Question @Hammer - What is your front ride height measured from the back of the rear most front A arm mount to the ground? Mine is higher than what is was with the new front shocks and seems higher than it should be, I've driven around the block a couple times and it lowered slightly but is still higher than it was, and higher than what most recommend.

Springs are the same eibachs that were on it, and preload is within 1/8" so I don't even know how it ended up higher lol.

 

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Radius rods and new shocks are on. Big difference in ride heights. Can’t wait to do a shake down run and put the new set up through its paces.


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I think you will be happy with the $$$ spent and forget all about getting a LT kit!

 

[FlyByWire]

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Radius rods and new shocks are on. Big difference in ride heights. Can’t wait to do a shake down run and put the new set up through its paces.


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Who did you use for the re-valve / re spring?

 

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Who did you use for the re-valve / re spring?

Ed The Suspension Guy, he is in Fontana, CA. There is a thread going on about results here:
https://www.riverdavesplace.com/for...ck-changes-my-long-story.179635/#post-3190875

Shock Therapy in the Phoenix area is another option.

Many of us have upgraded to the 2.5 front Walker shocks as well.

I had Shock Therapy re valved and re sprung stock Walker shocks on my RZR when I got it. The car rode really well. I had a front shock start leaking and just had Ed build and valve me a set of 2.5s instead. I'm going to try them this weekend. I chose Ed simply because he was close to me, and has a great reputation. I will probably have Ed freshen up and re valve my rear shocks with his package after the new year just so both ends match.

Ed will tell you the stock fronts are not worth messing with and go straight to the 2.5s in front.

 

[grumpy88]

If you look
At the top picture the top spring is completely collapsed. It doesn’t do anything, i have two other buddies that both bought new Rzr’s and they were the same way


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Kind of my point . I'm glad your getting it figured out though . Good luck

 

[FlyByWire]

Ed The Suspension Guy, he is in Fontana, CA. There is a thread going on about results here:
https://www.riverdavesplace.com/for...ck-changes-my-long-story.179635/#post-3190875

Shock Therapy in the Phoenix area is another option.

Many of us have upgraded to the 2.5 front Walker shocks as well.

I had Shock Therapy re valved and re sprung stock Walker shocks on my RZR when I got it. The car rode really well. I had a front shock start leaking and just had Ed build and valve me a set of 2.5s instead. I'm going to try them this weekend. I chose Ed simply because he was close to me, and has a great reputation. I will probably have Ed freshen up and re valve my rear shocks with his package after the new year just so both ends match.

Ed will tell you the stock fronts are not worth messing with and go straight to the 2.5s in front.

Yeah hell Im down the road from him for at least a few more months. I read the word 'replace' and cringed... lol. Was hoping not to dump too much into it, it just justifies my lust for an x3 max even more.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Yeah hell Im down the road from him for at least a few more months. I read the word 'replace' and cringed... lol. Was hoping not to dump too much into it, it just justifies my lust for an x3 max even more.

It is pretty awesome after you get some good springs on it at a minimum.

If you are trying to ball on a budget I have my original Shock Therapy revalved front walker 2.0 shocks. One just needs shock oil and a recharge. It was leaking out of the fill hole at the top.They already have the crossover rings on them for the upgraded springs. I can tell you exactly what springs to get for them. Will save you a couple hundred bucks not having to revalve and buy the spring hardware for the front.

 

[Hammer]

Ed The Suspension Guy, he is in Fontana, CA. There is a thread going on about results here:
https://www.riverdavesplace.com/for...ck-changes-my-long-story.179635/#post-3190875

Shock Therapy in the Phoenix area is another option.

Many of us have upgraded to the 2.5 front Walker shocks as well.

I had Shock Therapy re valved and re sprung stock Walker shocks on my RZR when I got it. The car rode really well. I had a front shock start leaking and just had Ed build and valve me a set of 2.5s instead. I'm going to try them this weekend. I chose Ed simply because he was close to me, and has a great reputation. I will probably have Ed freshen up and re valve my rear shocks with his package after the new year just so both ends match.

Ed will tell you the stock fronts are not worth messing with and go straight to the 2.5s in front.

This. Ed was great to deal With
And had a lot of knowledge when I talked to him. It’s also nice that you can talk to him directly with any questions or issues you may have. [emoji106][emoji2532]


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[Hammer]

Yeah hell Im down the road from him for at least a few more months. I read the word 'replace' and cringed... lol. Was hoping not to dump too much into it, it just justifies my lust for an x3 max even more.

He’s working on a ton of x3’s as well. Lol



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[Hammer]

The springs that come on them suck. They start sagging at mile 1 and go down from there, as you noticed.

Question @Hammer - What is your front ride height measured from the back of the rear most front A arm mount to the ground? Mine is higher than what is was with the new front shocks and seems higher than it should be, I've driven around the block a couple times and it lowered slightly but is still higher than it was, and higher than what most recommend.

Springs are the same eibachs that were on it, and preload is within 1/8" so I don't even know how it ended up higher lol.

I’ll measure when I get home. I felt like the front was really high too.


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I’ll measure when I get home. I felt like the front was really high too.


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Thanks.

Mine was stupidly high off the jack after the install. I drove it about 50 feet and it dropped an inch and a half. It is still almost 2 inches higher than it was before

 

[Hammer]

Thanks.

Mine was stupidly high off the jack after the install. I drove it about 50 feet and it dropped an inch and a half. It is still almost 2 inches higher than it was before

After install off the jack the angle of the axle was too much. I tapped the brakes and it dropped quite a bit. Then I put the shocks 3 clicks from completely soft and did “S” turned up the street do get the shocks to settle.


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[Hammer]

Thanks.

Mine was stupidly high off the jack after the install. I drove it about 50 feet and it dropped an inch and a half. It is still almost 2 inches higher than it was before

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[LargeOrangeFont]

Thank you!

That is damn near exactly where mine is at.

 

[Bpracing1127]

Yeah hell Im down the road from him for at least a few more months. I read the word 'replace' and cringed... lol. Was hoping not to dump too much into it, it just justifies my lust for an x3 max even more.

Don’t fool yourself. The x3 need work too. They are better stock for stock but I bet I can walk away from an stock x3 in the rough stuff