Reason #1,000 never to go to Mexico

[rivermobster]

Yes.

In case of a malfunction you can become the ground.

You can take a ground rod and run a tire over it (pinch it between the tire and the ground) with a frame ground hooked to it if you have no other options.

Wow...

Never even thought about that.

Solid info. Seems this should/would apply to a generator in an RV as well?

 

[SoCalDave]

Wow...

Never even thought about that.

Solid info. Seems this should/would apply to a generator in an RV as well?

Yes...

 

[wzuber]

Yes.

In case of a malfunction you can become the ground.

You can take a ground rod and run a tire over it (pinch it between the tire and the ground) with a frame ground hooked to it if you have no other options.

Does it matter if it's on soil, asphalt, concrete, gravel etc.?

 

[Angler]

12 volt LED pool lights are the only way to go.

 

[Taboma]

I was thinking like an idiot light on a car. Something to notify people at docks that there is a problem. Seems like marina owners could be wrapped up in lawsuits because the boat owner did something wrong. Light goes on, flip the breaker to the problem boat.

Drowning while being electrocuted has to be pretty horrid...each suck on their own.

I was thinking like an idiot light on a car. Something to notify people at docks that there is a problem. Seems like marina owners could be wrapped up in lawsuits because the boat owner did something wrong. Light goes on, flip the breaker to the problem boat.

Drowning while being electrocuted has to be pretty horrid...each suck on their own.

Seems to me, a properly installed and maintained marina electrical infrastructure with GFCI shore power breakers would be the preferred method of protection.
Just as those same "Properly Installed and Maintained" serve to provide protection in our daily lives.
Most of us tend to overlook that like our home's smoke detectors, GFCI devices, depending on their environment, have a reliability lifespan. They also should be tested periodically, do we ?
Ahhhhhh, well sure, when the Smoke Detector starts chirping or the GFCI trips and won't reset.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Seems to me, a properly installed and maintained marina electrical infrastructure with GFCI shore power breakers would be the preferred method of protection.
Just as those same "Properly Installed and Maintained" serve to provide protection in our daily lives.
Most of us tend to overlook that like our home's smoke detectors, GFCI devices, depending on their environment, have a reliability lifespan. They also should be tested periodically, do we ?
Ahhhhhh, well sure, when the Smoke Detector starts chirping or the GFCI trips and won't reset.

I wasn't thinking about the marina electrical really, those appear to be pretty strictly checked out. At least the ones I've been to. I'd be more worried about what a houseboat owner could do. It seems that could be the same as people who modify RV electrical. Sometimes just not a good idea.

 

[Taboma]

Hope not out of line here but that is correct. Gen sets have no ground thus no grounds to the rig. Every gen set I've seen states you must ground the unit prior to operation but not sure what your options are when roughing it. Often thought about this when running Gen Set only.
Any experts here on this subject?

Depends what you're using the generator to power and how the generator is internally wired.
In other words, are you using a device that's double insulated or metal framed ? Does your generator have a "Floating Ground or Grounded Neutral" ? Is the frame of the generator sitting on the ground, perhaps damp ground or completely isolated from ground ?
Are you standing on damp ground, or are you in contact with a compromised device and now reaching for the generator chassis, or another conductive object the generator might be powering ? Are you using the generator to power a device or your home, with it's own internal GFCI(s) ?

Theoretically, a completely ungrounded system (Like a generator insulated from any earth ground), presents no threat of earth ground becoming a return conductor, or YOU along with it.
Earth becomes like a piece of copper wire with nothing connected to it --- OK, unless it's passed through an energized coil, but let's not go there right now.

The problem arises when that isolation either on the generator side, or your device side becomes compromised and establishes a low resistance connection on either end and YOU become the connection that completes this return circuit.
All generators have a safety label stating to ground the chassis to earth ground.
In the event of an internal fault, this provides a direct low resistance path to earth ground. This mitigates the possibility of the generator's chassis establishing a high resistance path to earth ground, then YOU becoming a path of lessor resistance and the current doing what current does, travels that less resistive path and you become the conductor.
What protection it offers on the device end solely depends on how the generator is internally wired, floating or grounded neutral ?

The study of "Ground Faults and their potential fault paths", what happens and why, is an extremely complicated subject and is the electrical code's proverbial Beaten Horse, more like Pureed by now.

Are All Electrical Systems Inherently Grounded ??? NO, I've done electrical work in huge factories with 480V "Ungrounded" Delta Systems, yes, it's code legal, the transformer windings are isolated from ground. This is done to prevent "Nuisance" system tripping. These systems have a different type of inherent protection that provides and alert, and are designed in this manner to provide plant maintenance "One" opportunity to find and repair the fault before production comes to a grinding halt.

 

[Taboma]

I wasn't thinking about the marina electrical really, those appear to be pretty strictly checked out. At least the ones I've been to. I'd be more worried about what a houseboat owner could do. It seems that could be the same as people who modify RV electrical. Sometimes just not a good idea.

The best protection for any Cruiser or Houseboat owner is to educate yourself on approved Marine Shore power Wiring methods and then maintain them.
Vessels don't inherently leak current into the water, it's not only dangerous it destroys your sacrificial anodes forcing you to replace them frequently, and if you don't, your props and rudders will suffer.

 

[Taboma]

Yes...

That's quite an interesting subject if you have an entire afternoon to kill reading all the varied internet opinions on the subject. Essentially it's not required by the NEC, if the generator is built in as it has both a bonded neutral and equipment ground. But, it's still a frequently debated subject.
An ungrounded generator chassis only becomes a safety concern in the event of a double fault condition ---- just avoid that, it's simple.

 

[Warlock1]

100%... The problem is a lot of the cops down there are greased by the cartel so it would just about be impossible.

I will disagree with this statement. Those elite teams could and would massacre those guys. It will never happen though because our lovely Acronym driven departments are in bed with those guys on deep nefarious issues that plague our country. Just follow the dollars.

 

[monkeyswrench]

That's quite an interesting subject if you have an entire afternoon to kill reading all the varied internet opinions on the subject. Essentially it's not required by the NEC, if the generator is built in as it has both a bonded neutral and equipment ground. But, it's still a frequently debated subject.
An ungrounded generator chassis only becomes a safety concern in the event of a double fault condition ---- just avoid that, it's simple.

Not being sparky educated...and now having a very slight insite into how stuff functions...it's a miracle more people don't get zapped on sites I'd never given any thought to the chassis ground on a generator. Main reason, no one ever explained why it may be needed. I've been on some big jobs with what we called "Hollywood's", big towable units. Run the twist locks out of them, to a spider or two on the deck, and then cords running everywhere. The heat welded singleply stuff was extremely dependent on electricity...and most roofers aren't know for their electrical knowledge

 

[Activated]

Never thought about Ubers in Cabo. Damn

Tacos here were great and the guacamole was massive.

https://yelp.to/xMf2R_ppV7

Enjoy your trip!

Uber when we were in Puerto Vallarta was about half the cost of a taxi to the airport.

 

[cofooter]

Speaking of Mexico/Cabo just read that The Giggling Marlin Bar burned down this AM.......

 

[Albert]

Mexico closed no sheep allowed

 

[mesquito_creek]

There is a Mexican Uber type app called “Didi rider”…. It’s what the Mexicans use and it was super cheep when I used it. One ride was 2 dollars from the marina to our hotel with all our dive gear.

 

[28Eliminator]

Speaking of Mexico/Cabo just read that The Giggling Marlin Bar burned down this AM.......

View attachment 1388342


View attachment 1388343

My Daughter and her friends have been down there all week.. I wondered why they suddenly flew home today…

 

[Taboma]

Not being sparky educated...and now having a very slight insite into how stuff functions...it's a miracle more people don't get zapped on sites I'd never given any thought to the chassis ground on a generator. Main reason, no one ever explained why it may be needed. I've been on some big jobs with what we called "Hollywood's", big towable units. Run the twist locks out of them, to a spider or two on the deck, and then cords running everywhere. The heat welded singleply stuff was extremely dependent on electricity...and most roofers aren't know for their electrical knowledge

Most roofers have extremely well insulated tar covered boots, and even a roofer would have to make a real extra effort to get electrocuted by an ungrounded generator --- but if anybody could, it probably would be a roofer, or should I qualify, a RDP ROOFER

 

[Taboma]

Speaking of Mexico/Cabo just read that The Giggling Marlin Bar burned down this AM.......

View attachment 1388342


View attachment 1388343

I haven't been to Cabo in 30 years, but the Giggling Marlin was our hangout because it was so close to the Mar de Cortez where we always stayed.
I just don't recall it being on a corner, did they relocate over the years ?

Disregard, just read on Shintooo's post that it was the first club in Cabo and established in 1984, so that was where we partied and watched the gals get hung ass-high.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Most roofers have extremely well insulated tar covered boots, and even a roofer would have to make a real extra effort to get electrocuted by an ungrounded generator --- but if anybody could, it probably would be a roofer, or should I qualify, a RDP ROOFER

Singleply work was different...high tech roofing Hot air welders and tennis shoes even. We did not wear any type of hot clothes, had to keep it clean. It was really weird, went home clean, and got really good at wrapping cords.

 

[Taboma]

Singleply work was different...high tech roofing Hot air welders and tennis shoes even. We did not wear any type of hot clothes, had to keep it clean. It was really weird, went home clean, and got really good at wrapping cords.

I know of a few roofers prematurely meeting Jesus, but I really can't recall any being shocked into heaven or hell, in most cases, it was blamed on gravity.

Although I would suggest not working metal roofs with grounded lightning rods, bare footed ---- But I'm sure since I wrote this, some roofer will try it.

 

[monkeyswrench]

I know of a few roofers prematurely meeting Jesus, but I really can't recall any being shocked into heaven or hell, in most cases, it was blamed on gravity.

Although I would suggest not working metal roofs with grounded lightning rods, bare footed ---- But I'm sure since I wrote this, some roofer will try it.

I've known 2 roofers that got zapped. One involved what I'd call a standard utility drop...the gooseneck thing on a small industrial unit. He looked like a cartoon, but was fine. (The alcohol cured any stutter right quick)
The other, it was bad. He almost died, and where the charge left his calf (to ground I assume) it blew out a good chunk of his calf.

Roofers tend to fight gravity most often. I'd fallen 3 times. 1 steep, slid my ass off flapping my arms like a cartoon. 1 was tripping over fall protection...kind of ironic. The 3rd one hurt. The tear-off guys must have been a lot lighter than me. The corner rafter tail had been replaced by painters...not cut back and sistered or plated in the attic. Neat old house in east LA. 20ft drop, luckily into an old plumeria.
Sadly, at times I still miss that work...

 

[cofooter]

I haven't been to Cabo in 30 years, but the Giggling Marlin was our hangout because it was so close to the Mar de Cortez where we always stayed.
I just don't recall it being on a corner, did they relocate over the years ?

Disregard, just read on Shintooo's post that it was the first club in Cabo and established in 1984, so that was where we partied and watched the gals get hung ass-high.

It was a lot more fun in the 90's than it has been more recently!!

 

[Taboma]

It was a lot more fun in the 90's than it has been more recently!!

I'm sure the Cabo vacation crowd demographics have changed dramatically from the 30+yo predominantly male fishermen types that hung there during the 80's and early 90's. In those days it seems the women who ventured there were more rugged outdoor types than soccer moms or school teachers on some resort vacation.

 

[cofooter]

I'm sure the Cabo vacation crowd demographics have changed dramatically from the 30+yo predominantly male fishermen types that hung there during the 80's and early 90's. In those days it seems the women who ventured there were more rugged outdoor types than soccer moms or school teachers on some resort vacation.

Yup, full of cruise ship people these days

 

[Taboma]

Yup, full of cruise ship people these days

I never could quite read the body language of those very stern-faced high school aged young men standing on the weigh-in dock, holding M16's
Never saw anybody "F*ck Around and Find Out" either So I'm assuming I wasn't the only one who wasn't tempted to be all buddy-buddy and shit.

 

[dribble]

To be completely safe we should not go to the US either.

There were 33 injuries and 33 deaths caused by electrocutions from swimming pools and hot tubs in the U.S. between 2002 and 2018, according to the Consumer Product Safety Commission.

 

[boatpi]

'The shocks were so strong': Woman speaks out after husband dies from being electrocuted in hot tub

"I feel that this could have been prevented," Lizette Zambrano said tearfully. "I still can't believe it. A very good man was taken away."

abc7.com

 

[monkeyswrench]

'The shocks were so strong': Woman speaks out after husband dies from being electrocuted in hot tub

"I feel that this could have been prevented," Lizette Zambrano said tearfully. "I still can't believe it. A very good man was taken away."

abc7.com

I assume Casago, the rental firm, is a US based company, and that is why they are named and not the condo people. 1m seems pretty light considering. Seems most wrongful death suits start much higher.

 

[wzuber]

I assume Casago, the rental firm, is a US based company, and that is why they are named and not the condo people. 1m seems pretty light considering. Seems most wrongful death suits start much higher.

Kinda my thoughts too. I didn't think you could even sue a Mexican co.? I mean sure, you could file suit but seems they would just ignore it? Who's going to enforce it?

 

[wzuber]

The fact they stood there watching him drown and not looking to kill power is additionally disturbing. What a horrible way to die.

 

[Dalton]

Kinda my thoughts too. I didn't think you could even sue a Mexican co.? I mean sure, you could file suit but seems they would just ignore it? Who's going to enforce it?

They just might get a payout, Mexico is all about keeping the facade (when needed) of a functional country, the mafia down has its hand in every part of society, I could see the resort paying the 1 mil, which is really the mafia paying 1 mil to get rid of the problem and keep the money flowing.

Just like when the black Americans were shot down there, mistaken for Haitians, and the people responsible were found almost immediately, for certain things, the mafia will do the right thing when heats on them.

You get so much for your money down there at the resorts and nice restaurants because you’re patronizing money laundering operations, where the books don’t need to pencil out, it’s all about cleaning money.

With that said, I still love it down there, it’s not a place for a mindless tourist, not saying this guy was. But morons don’t really last down there, less rules and no safety nets like the US.

 

[was thatguy]

To be completely safe we should not go to the US either.

There were 33 injuries and 33 deaths caused by electrocutions from swimming pools and hot tubs in the U.S. between 2002 and 2018, according to the Consumer Product Safety Commission.

Rookie numbers.
That’s barely 2 people killed a year.

Pit Bulls killed 57 people in the US last year alone.

Record 73 dog attack deaths in 2023 included also record 57 by pit bull - Animals 24-7

But the two most publicized possible dog attack fatalities of 2023 are off the list

www.animals24-7.org

33 deaths is called a slow week in Chicago.

Chicago Crime, Murder & Mayhem | Criminal Infographics | HeyJackass!

Illustrating the Chicago Values of Crime, Murder & Mayhem with comprehensive charts, precise graphs and exhaustive data sets of Chicago stupidity.

heyjackass.com

Hell, 363 times as many people die in the US in just one year from falling down stairs. (12,000 people per year on average, with around a million annual injuries)
Look it up.


It’s funny the way we focus on what the news and internet tells us to focus on.

 

[boatpi]

I travel and enjoy Mexico for over 20 years. Those days are gone. By three years ago, gangsters walked in to a great lunch place. I’ve been too many times in Puerto Vallarta opened up with full automatic fire. That was that.


You can talk all the stats and Pitbulls and everything. everyone makes a personal decision. I wanna go down there if I had a private jet flight and a free villa.


Here is what matters;

United States murder rate per 100,000 people is 5.3.

Mexico murder rate for 100,000 people is 25!!!

 

[monkeyswrench]

I travel and enjoy Mexico for over 20 years. Those days are gone. By three years ago, gangsters walked in to a great lunch place. I’ve been too many times in Puerto Vallarta opened up with full automatic fire. That was that.


You can talk all the stats and Pitbulls and everything. everyone makes a personal decision. I wanna go down there if I had a private jet flight and a free villa.


Here is what matters;

United States murder rate per 100,000 people is 5.3.

Mexico murder rate for 100,000 people is 25!!!

Maybe this is why Biden lets them in. "Equality"...bring our averages closer together maybe?

 

[Badchoices03]

We have been using Uber for years now. The taxi companies frown upon it but it’s like 10X's less to take an Uber.

I'll add that restaurant to my list of places.
Muchas Gracias

If you havent tried Vibrant, its fkn great...the service, the food, the drinks, everything about it....its my favorite spot in the marina....

Home

www.vibrantcabo.com

 

[Bajastu]

Well, I made it back from Mexico in one piece. The wife and I had a blast and zero issues. The only bad thing that happened was having to come back.