Questions for the framers on here

[SOCALCRICKETT]

Ended up hanging new garage doors on the house this week, found this in the corner of the garage so figured I'd send it out to the brain trust...



Seems that these should be tight, I get needing a little play due to the house being a southern California tract home, but this isnt right, what should these be torqued to?

 

[Joker]

It appears You’re out of thread, they didn’t drill it deep enough or they left the dust in the hole. It’s pretty much useless

 

[ltbaney1]

im no framer, but have worked construction for years in a past life. i remember seeing the framers get them as tight as they could and whack the wrench a few times with a hammer for good measure. not sure if that is correct or not.

 

[SOCALCRICKETT]

You’re out of thread, they didn’t drill it deep enough or they left the dust in the hole. It’s pretty much useless

There are a couple that ran out of thread, there are 12 of them that can be snugged. I wanted to make sure there isn't a specific torque spec needed since we do get earthquakes down here in Temecula.

 

[4Waters]

Wire brush it put some oil on it and remove the nut, put a few washers on there and tighten the nut

 

[Bobby V]

Ended up hanging new garage doors on the house this week, found this in the corner of the garage so figured I'd send it out to the brain trust...



Seems that these should be tight, I get needing a little play due to the house being a southern California tract home, but this isnt right, what should these be torqued to?

Add another 2x4 or spacer and tighten the nut.

 

[HNL2LHC]

3 ugga duggas should be enough so I’d go with 5 and you will be golden.

 

[Backlash]

Tight is tight, too tight is broke.

 

[EmpirE231]

 

[SOCALCRICKETT]

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Lol, that's the way everything is in a tract home.


I have walls out of square and it drives me nuts!

 

[SOCALCRICKETT]

Decided to flush the waterheater while I'm at it, my 3 year old wasn't going to miss an opportunity to screw around with the water

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

Those dont do shit for earthquakes without the hold down attached. Looks to me that was supposed to be a hold down that never got put in. Especially if it's in a corner. If you want to do it right go get one of these and install it. Stacking washers or blocks is not what that j-bolt was ment for.. home depot will have them. JMO

 

[Nordie]

Seismic stuff, that's probably what loosened it up.

Throw some washers on it and tighten it up, or wack the top of the bolt with a BFH and see if it seats.

 

[lbhsbz]

There are a couple that ran out of thread, there are 12 of them that can be snugged. I wanted to make sure there isn't a specific torque spec needed since we do get earthquakes down here in Temecula.

When is the last time you saw a framer with a torque wrench?

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

Seismic stuff, that's probably what loosened it up.

Throw some washers on it and tighten it up, or wack the top of the bolt with a BFH and see if it seats.

I dont think that is a "redhead". Pretty sure that is poured in with the stem wall or footing for an HD.. JMO

 

[Kurt96]

It’s not a holdown, so it’s not a big deal. If you really want to fix it, do as others have said and add some washers under the nut. But from a structural engineer perspective, a single loose anchor won’t make your house fall down.

 

[Willie B]

Wire brush it put some oil on it and remove the nut, put a few washers on there and tighten the nut

… this… Stack some large OD flat washers maybe four or five… and cinch it down… not torque specific…

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

It’s not a holdown, so it’s not a big deal. If you really want to fix it, do as others have said and add some washers under the nut. But from a structural engineer perspective, a single loose anchor won’t make your house fall down.

How do you know it's not a hold down? Just wondering

 

[white tortilla]

Mi Tek recommends 75in/lb at 45*

 

[Kurt96]

How do you know it's not a hold down? Just wondering

There would be a holdown (such as a Simpson HDU) attached to anchor and post. This is just a nut and washer, so nothing more than a standard anchor bolt. From looking at the picture, it was most likely post installed since they cut the sill plate at the post to the left.

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

There would be a holdown (such as a Simpson HDU) attached to anchor and post. This is just a nut and washer, so nothing more than a standard anchor bolt. From looking at the picture, it was most likely post installed since they cut the sill plate at the post to the left.

There would not be a hold down there if it was never installed. And 9 times out of 10 there is going to be a hold down in the corner. Even if if just sistered 2xs.

 

[Nordie]

I dont think that is a "redhead". Pretty sure that is poured in with the stem wall or footing for an HD.. JMO

Hence why I said wack it to see if it seats.

The math is simple, it's an anchor for the bottom plate, it could be a redhead or a j-bolt. At the end of the day it being loose isn't the end of the world.

 

[curtiej10]

If it has fallen down by now you'll be fine. Looks like an anchor bolt not set deep enough, Definity not an HD, you would have plywood on the exterior wall to make it a shurwall

 

[Kurt96]

There would not be a hold down there if it was never installed. And 9 times out of 10 there is going to be a hold down in the corner. Even if if just sistered 2xs.

Possibly, but this just looks like a normal anchor to me. Holdowns are specifically placed at shearwall ends, which are often in corners. Considering there is no sheathing on that wall, it is definitely not a shearwall.

 

[SOCALCRICKETT]

Those dont do shit for earthquakes without the hold down attached. Looks to me that was supposed to be a hold down that never got put in. Especially if it's in a corner. If you want to do it right go get one of these and install it. Stacking washers or blocks is not what that j-bolt was ment for.. home depot will have them. JMO

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I'm just getting ready to sheetrock the garage and I'll throw some in before I do, im sure I'm going overkill with it but that is my style

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

I'm just getting ready to sheetrock the garage and I'll throw some in before I do, im sure I'm going overkill with it but that is my style

Does that bolt have a # or anything stamped in the top?

It looks to me it is a 5/8 STB. Most jbolts for sole plate anchors are normally just 1/2.

 

[SOCALCRICKETT]

Does that bolt have a # or anything stamped in the top?

Looks to be cheap mild steel, I didn't see any markings under the rust and it definitely isn't nylock

 

[ChumpChange]

House is unsafe. This should be your sign to sell it and hold onto your hat since the market is gonna crash anyways.

 

[RIVERBORN]

Sill plate hold down, supposed to be every 6’. And 6” from any end. Just got missed in inspection most likely. No torque value, snug tight. Not very critical

 

[braindead]

Does that bolt have a # or anything stamped in the top?

It looks to me it is a 5/8 STB. Most jbolts for sole plate anchors are normally just 1/2.

We’ve been having to use 5/8 anchor bolts in southern California for at least 15 years and considering it’s a track home it would not surprise me if it was supposed to have a hold down on it.

If the OP can get us a full size picture of the wall and its location, we could better determine what it should be

 

[HNL2LHC]

by the way, if you are in Havasu and need a real Torque wrench let me know i just picked up a couple this week for the Can Am work that I need to do. I’d be happy to let you try them out.

 

[lbhsbz]

I'm just getting ready to sheetrock the garage and I'll throw some in before I do, im sure I'm going overkill with it but that is my style

Slide a piece of plate with a couple holes over it and tighten the nut...make it hang outta the drywall. Now you've got a nice anchor to drag heavy shit across the garage with a come-a-long.

 

[SoCalDave]

For what it's worth from my recent addition per LA County. HDU2 were installed everywhere along with the typical j bolts as shown by the OP.
J bolts instructions below. They won't do much in an earthquake but the HDU's will help it stay on its foundation.

 

[NicPaus]

Looks like a anchor bolt not a hold down. Like mentioned no shear. They set it high added a 2nd washer and was not worth the effort to add a 3rd.

I would add a washer or 2 and tighten. No need to add a hold down. They aren't $8 no more. Just added 10 to a existing 400 sq ft garage to

 

[DC-88]

If you are finding breaks in the plate with no anchor bolts close by, or are having trouble loosening the nuts because they were cranked on with a deep socket/ electric impact when the threads ran out these Titens are what are almost always called out in Ca to add missing anchor bolting. Just grab however many Bearing Plates ( square washers) and titens you need and drill a 5/8" hole with a masonry bit. Make sure to clean the hole out really well with air and a brush if possible before installing with impact - As stated a bolt meant for an HD will be an SSTB stamped on top where you can read it , unlike a regular J bolt

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