PSA - DUI check point

[was thatguy]

Not a fan of the drunk driving, but where is the same level of outrage for the "technology impaired" driver that kills a bunch of people while texting, watching TikTok, etc.?

Body count is nowhere near high enough.
Barely 1 person a day is officially killed by a distracted (texting) driver.
Dui is 28 times that amount.

 

[Mr. C]

No.
But leaving a bar / restaurant could be.

Almost everyones POV changes on this once you know someone killed by a drunk. My son lost a good friend in high school - drunk walked away from accident with no injuries, 17yo kid dead.

I have lost friends . Family in many different ways. My kids have lost friends due to many different things. Including this topic.
I still would never want my rights or yours trampled because of this. Twist that how you want.

If you knew in your city there was gonna be a check point or two. Would that keep you off the road? Maybe we need more. Even if for the awareness of we are after you. I have no issue having to out it out to the public that there are checkpoints.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Not a fan of the drunk driving, but where is the same level of outrage for the "technology impaired" driver that kills a bunch of people while texting, watching TikTok, etc.?

That right there will be what widows my wife. And the killer will be issued a distracted driving ticket.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

I have lost friends . Family in many different ways. My kids have lost friends due to many different things. Including this topic.
I still would never want my rights or yours trampled because of this. Twist that how you want.

Well then you need to be elected to office, get to the national level, get on a committee, try to make driving a constitutionally protected right.

 

[hallett21]

So let’s examine this from a different perspective.
As of last year about 28 people per day are killed in dui crashes/ events.

So that amounts to about a small or average sized school classroom.
What would the opinion of the RDP mob be if a school shooter went in and killed a classroom full of kids and adults EVERY SINGLE DAY of the year?
The same people calling for 4th amendment rights for drivers of vehicles have and will continue to call for further restrictions on new gun sales…even though that solves not one damned thing.
The mob has and would call for the skinning of the perpetrators, and the public hanging of the parents.
The store owner who sold the gun would be gutted in the town square, and anyone who knows the killer would be killed just because they didn’t see it coming.
None of this is hyperbole, it’s all been said here on this very forum.
But…when it comes to DUI…the RDP narrative seems to change?
The 28 daily deaths become secondary to the sudden championing of rights (rights that do not actually apply 100%).

Why is that?
Is it because the mob is a bunch of drunk drivers, but not school shooters?
Just thinking out loud.

I wonder how many of the 28 are drunk drivers killing themselves.

Similar to gun deaths/suicides.

 

[sirbob]

I want to agree with you. But what possible reason does one have for warning of a DUI checkpoint?

Well one possible reason is that if somebody knows there is a checkpoint they may choose not to get drunk and drive.

I’m not about to confess my actions here but I will say that I have a friend who often has a checkpoint set up in front of his house. When that is happening, I don’t have more than a couple of beers when I’m at his place.

I’d like to think I’m a responsible adult. When I’m driving I go by the 1 drink per hour program. If I know there is a checkpoint outside the door. I cut that way back.

If I had one beer and they smell it - I could get the run around and the walk test etc. if the cop is having a bad day/night that 1 beer could be enough to get me arrested and taken in to blow a .01. They could let me go or they could say I was “under the influence”.

So yea, if I know there is a check point it alters my actions because I don’t want to deal with it at all.

And I’m tired of all the bleeding hearts that want to make references to close, friends or family that have been affected by drunk drivers. I can do a whole chapter in a book on friends & family of mine, that I’ve been affected negatively in that way.

I’d start that chapter talking about how my brother and a girl he was with were killed by a drunk driver.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

I wonder how many of the 28 are drunk drivers killing themselves.

Similar to gun deaths/suicides.

I think I know where you're going with this. There is no 2A protecting driving cars.

 

[hallett21]

I think I know where you're going with this. There is no 2A protecting driving cars.

I am just curious if the deaths are 1:1 2:1 etc. And no there’s not a healthy ratio.

But if today 27 drunks kill themselves and 1 bystander is killed, that paints a very different picture. Same as when anti 2A people cite gun deaths but do not clarify the amount of suicides.

Personally I have no issue with DUI check points being announced. Hopefully it makes people think twice. If you’re just taking a new route home, you were getting hammered either way imo. And yes I’ve lost people to drunk driving.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

I am just curious if the deaths are 1:1 2:1 etc. And no there’s not a healthy ratio.

But if today 27 drunks kill themselves and 1 bystander is killed, that paints a very different picture. Same as when anti 2A people cite gun deaths but do not clarify the amount of suicides.

Personally I have no issue with DUI check points being announced. Hopefully it makes people think twice. If you’re just taking a new route home, you were getting hammered either way imo. And yes I’ve lost people to drunk driving.

You make a cogent argument, as usual. But, the death ratio isn't just drunks dying. I don't have the actual data but if they only hurt themselves, I'd not have a single thing against it. it would in fact be a cleansing.

 

[Roosky01]

Body count is nowhere near high enough.
Barely 1 person a day is officially killed by a distracted (texting) driver.
Dui is 28 times that amount.

There is no measurement for distraction following a distracted accident unless it’s obvious for some reason. Most crashes involving alcohol are easy to suspect and almost as easy to confirm.

It is crazy to say there is only one person a day on average that dies from distracted driving….

 

[Singleton]

Based on this thread, you can tell boating season is over.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Based on this thread, you can tell boating season is over.

*Not mine.

 

[Singleton]

*Not mine.

Testing new boats already

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Testing new boats already

Nope. Gonna run the Skater until it sells or gets too cold.

 

[RiverDave]

No.
But leaving a bar / restaurant could be.

Almost everyones POV changes on this once you know someone killed by a drunk. My son lost a good friend in high school - drunk walked away from accident with no injuries, 17yo kid dead.

Leaving a restaurant or bar is probable cause? Jeezus..

That is way out there.

RD

 

[hallett21]

Leaving a restaurant or bar is probable cause? Jeezus..

That is way out there.

RD

This is the scary slippery slope.

Couldn’t a cop just pull anyone over day or night and say I saw you leave a bar?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Well one possible reason is that if somebody knows there is a checkpoint they may choose not to get drunk and drive.

I’m not about to confess my actions here but I will say that I have a friend who often has a checkpoint set up in front of his house. When that is happening, I don’t have more than a couple of beers when I’m at his place.

I’d like to think I’m a responsible adult. When I’m driving I go by the 1 drink per hour program. If I know there is a checkpoint outside the door. I cut that way back.

If I had one beer and they smell it - I could get the run around and the walk test etc. if the cop is having a bad day/night that 1 beer could be enough to get me arrested and taken in to blow a .01. They could let me go or they could say I was “under the influence”.

So yea, if I know there is a check point it alters my actions because I don’t want to deal with it at all.

And I’m tired of all the bleeding hearts that want to make references to close, friends or family that have been affected by drunk drivers. I can do a whole chapter in a book on friends & family of mine, that I’ve been affected negatively in that way.

I’d start that chapter talking about how my brother and a girl he was with were killed by a drunk driver.

Well said.

The tropes about “Wait until your grandma is killed by a drunk/covid/AR15/vaccine/outrage of the week are meaningless.

 

[Mr. C]

Couldn’t a cop just pull anyone over day or night and say I saw you leave a bar?

Now now. What cop would ever do that.

 

[pixrthis]

I want to agree with you. But what possible reason does one have for warning of a DUI checkpoint?

Just to play devils advocate, it’s possible someone who might be inclined to drive after drinking will find other ways to get someplace if they know LEO is out in force looking.
I’m not arguing with anyone here but in reading this thread I can see that people have misunderstood what others are saying. Some of the sarcastic comments have not been taken as sarcasm and that’s fair, people have been affected differently by drunk driving.

 

[was thatguy]

I wonder how many of the 28 are drunk drivers killing themselves.

Similar to gun deaths/suicides.

Wondered that myself actually.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Leaving a restaurant or bar is probable cause? Jeezus..

That is way out there.

RD

It is if you are driving a BMW that has no turn signal, a car with no front plate, or tinted front glass, yes it is probable cause.

Break one law at a time.

 

[was thatguy]

There is no measurement for distraction following a distracted accident unless it’s obvious for some reason. Most crashes involving alcohol are easy to suspect and almost as easy to confirm.

It is crazy to say there is only one person a day on average that dies from distracted driving….

I encourage one’s own research on all topics.
I’ve always said to not take my word for it.

 

[pixrthis]

That right there will be what widows my wife. And the killer will be issued a distracted driving ticket.

After riding a street bike for the last ten years and looking in the windows of many cars I’ve passed I’ve come to the conclusion that 80 to 85% off drivers have their phones in hand. 5 to 10% are smoking pot and the rest are either eating and/or lost.

 

[was thatguy]

It is if you are driving a BMW that has no turn signal, a car with no front plate, or tinted front glass, yes it is probable cause.

Break one law at a time.

Or consistently defend drunk driving/ boating on an open forum.
Misconstrued or not.
Lol
Low hanging fruit is low hanging fruit.

On a side note: ANY BMW should be stopped immediately!!

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Just to play devils advocate, it’s possible someone who might be inclined to drive after drinking will find other ways to get someplace if they know LEO is out in force looking.
I’m not arguing with anyone here but in reading this thread I can see that people have misunderstood what others are saying. Some of the sarcastic comments have not been taken as sarcasm and that’s fair, people have been affected differently by drunk driving.

Let me be devils advocate back to your question. If someone is planning on driving home from a party, or a bar or a restaurant, and has had too many. Are they more likely to:

A. Just go around that checkpoint
B. Call an Uber.

Its is most likely A, since they were already planning on driving. If you were calling an Uber, this thread is meaningless.

I was a habitual DD. It was over 30 years ago when I quit. I never got a DUI or hurt anyone. I'm not sure how, because I would have just gone around a checkpoint a different way. I've been on both sides of this and have a very clear vision.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Then there is this..

Drunk 20 year old going over 100 killed an off duty cop.

Off-duty L.A. police officer killed, SBSD deputy among those injured in crash involving suspected drunk driver

A deadly two-car collision in Northridge has claimed the lives of two people, including an off-duty LAPD officer, the department confirmed. He was identified by LAPD officials as Officer Darrell Cu…

ktla.com

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Let me be devils advocate back to your question. If someone is planning on driving home from a party, or a bar or a restaurant, and has had too many. Are they more likely to:

A. Just go around that checkpoint
B. Call an Uber.

Its is most likely A, since they were already planning on driving. If you were calling an Uber, this thread is meaningless.

I was a habitual DD. It was over 30 years ago when I quit. I never got a DUI or hurt anyone. I'm not sure how, because I would have just gone around a checkpoint a different way. I've been on both sides of this and have a very clear vision.

I would argue unless I’m a full fledged functional alcoholic, I’m either -

A - Driving impaired and not cognizant enough to realize that I am rolling up to the sobriety check point I read about the day before on River Drunks Place.

Or

B. Not over the legal limit to begin with and realize I’m in the area of the checkpoint.

 

[was thatguy]

I would argue unless I’m a full fledged functional alcoholic, I’m either -

A - Driving impaired and not cognizant enough to realize that I am rolling up to the sobriety check point I read about the day before on River Drunks Place.

Or

B. Not over the legal limit to begin with and realize I’m in the area of the checkpoint.

Some members here would think it’s a toll booth and throw a few buck out the window and drive away, or try to!
Lol

 

[was thatguy]

Ok, which member is this??

 

[RiverDave]

That's not a parallel argument RD. The reason why the DUI checkpoints are legal, is the same reason YOU have complete editorial powers here and people constitutional rights mean ZERO. I could use the same "nothing to fear" argument here on why you have editorial freedom here. But I cannot, because this is your business, not mine. Its a private site, not the town square. It is NOT a constitutionally protected activity (driving) and my home is specifically enumerated as protected.

And BTW, "they" can listen to any phone conversation they wish to. "They" can look at any text they want, "they" can penetrate your "secure" site, any time they wish.

Edward Snowden gave up his freedoms and now lives in exile to warn America about the monster HE HIMSELF created.

They could.. but they shouldn’t be.. which kinda takes us full circle to the point.

RD

 

[sirbob]

Let me be devils advocate back to your question. If someone is planning on driving home from a party, or a bar or a restaurant, and has had too many. Are they more likely to:

A. Just go around that checkpoint
B. Call an Uber.

Its is most likely A, since they were already planning on driving. If you were calling an Uber, this thread is meaningless.

I was a habitual DD. It was over 30 years ago when I quit. I never got a DUI or hurt anyone. I'm not sure how, because I would have just gone around a checkpoint a different way. I've been on both sides of this and have a very clear vision.

I mean no sarcasm nor am I trying to poke the bear. I’m just trying to be sure I fully understand your point.

Just for the sake of clarity, does DD in your comments stand for…

Drunk Driver
Or
Designated Driver

And by the phrase “It was over 30 years ago when I quit.” Do you mean you quit drinking altogether or quit DD(?)ing.

 

[RiverDave]

I want to agree with you. But what possible reason does one have for warning of a DUI checkpoint?

Well that would be the constitution.. lol.

 

[was thatguy]

Wonder what the cops have to say about all this?
But I’ve noticed they wont touch these threads with a 20’ pole!!
Lol
No dummies they.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Well that would be the constitution.. lol.

There is nothing about driving a car in the constitution. It has already been ruled these checkpoints are legal.

I’d argue use of public funds and public resources is why they should be announced, as well as impacts to traffic. If my wife goes into labor for instance, that is an inopportune time to get stuck in a DUI checkpoint.

 

[RiverDave]

That right there will be what widows my wife. And the killer will be issued a distracted driving ticket.

Maybe we should have checkpoints that test cellular data to see if the phone was used..

Or maybe a checkpoint after drive thrus to make sure people aren’t eating while driving (also distracted driving)

This could go on forever.. at its most basic form the idea that you can stop a citizen for a “potential” is where I have a problem. If a cop witnesses a car weaving or xyz…. Then sure pull them over.l so long as they have probable cause.

When you abandon all of that and get out ahead of something that “may” or “may not” occur that turns into something else all together.

The way they got it through the courts was to say they had to be announced so that the citizens could decide whether they want to deal or not.

As we know though the announcements aren’t nearly what was agreed upon.. but society has changed to the point where people don’t really care because god forbid anyone says anything logical then they are the devil if it’s on the other side of a nazi state when it comes to drinkin..

I will say the new laws with regard to dui are fucking ridiculous as well if you ask me. It isn’t .08 as most assume. It is .05 and officer discretion..

Again common sense out the window though.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Wonder what the cops have to say about all this?
But I’ve noticed they wont touch these threads with a 20’ pole!!
Lol
No dummies they.

They are laughing.

 

[RiverDave]

There is nothing about driving a car in the constitution. It has already been ruled these checkpoints are legal.

I’d argue use of public funds and public resources is why they should be announced, as well as impacts to traffic. If my wife goes into labor for instance, that is an inopportune time to get stuck in a DUI checkpoint.

The reason they had to announce the checkpoints was because without it they were deemed unconstitutional.

I’d have to go look it all up as it has been decades now but that was a major part of it at the time

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The reason they had to announce the checkpoints was because without it they were deemed unconstitutional.

I’d have to go look it all up as it has been decades now but that was a major part of it at the time

I get all that as well. The SCOUS ruling was in 1990 and they said the potential good outweighs the risk to the 4th amendment and left it up to the states to allow them or not. There was nothing in the ruling about announcements, that is probably a state thing.

Utah has banned the checkpoints without certain approvals. But the OUI limit is .04 here.

 

[Smitty7]

Wouldn't it be great if everyone just minded their own fucking business

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Wouldn't it be great if everyone just minded their own fucking business

A Internet forum full of Karens? That’s not gonna happen

 

[hallett21]

I just learned driving became a privilege in the 20s-30s.

 

[DWC]

As a reminder…. RDP rules

1. Don’t talk about inmate families
2. Don’t talk bad about pets. Inmates typically love animals more than people.
3. Don’t talk about having a cold one on the water, in the dirt or around a car.

There’s a few other that revolve around conservative views. No need to discuss them. Most are on the same page.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I just learned driving became a privilege in the 20s-30s.

Will the search function show the stone tablets of complaints from some members about all these financed Model Ts ruining their horse trails?

 

[Singleton]

I mean no sarcasm nor am I trying to poke the bear. I’m just trying to be sure I fully understand your point.

Just for the sake of clarity, does DD in your comments stand for…

Drunk Driver
Or
Designated Driver

And by the phrase “It was over 30 years ago when I quit.” Do you mean you quit drinking altogether or quit DD(?)ing.

@Skinny Tire AH stopped drinking over 30 years ago.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

I mean no sarcasm nor am I trying to poke the bear. I’m just trying to be sure I fully understand your point.

Just for the sake of clarity, does DD in your comments stand for…

Drunk Driver
Or
Designated Driver

And by the phrase “It was over 30 years ago when I quit.” Do you mean you quit drinking altogether or quit DD(?)ing.

Drunk Driver. I’ve spilled more beer than RD will ever drink.

 

[Ballyhoo]

I think it’s BS some asshole judge said even though it’s a violation of our rights it’s worth it.

Regardless of opinions our rights shouldn’t be infringed.. ever.

It was actually 6 judges on the supreme court in 1990. Of note it was a conservative majority that upheld the dui checkpoints.

 

[Ballyhoo]

The reason they had to announce the checkpoints was because without it they were deemed unconstitutional.

I’d have to go look it all up as it has been decades now but that was a major part of it at the time

They are a number of things that law enforcement must comply with in regards to dui checkpoints. Notification is just one of them.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Maybe we should have checkpoints that test cellular data to see if the phone was used..

Or maybe a checkpoint after drive thrus to make sure people aren’t eating while driving (also distracted driving)

This could go on forever.. at its most basic form the idea that you can stop a citizen for a “potential” is where I have a problem. If a cop witnesses a car weaving or xyz…. Then sure pull them over.l so long as they have probable cause.

When you abandon all of that and get out ahead of something that “may” or “may not” occur that turns into something else all together.

The way they got it through the courts was to say they had to be announced so that the citizens could decide whether they want to deal or not.

As we know though the announcements aren’t nearly what was agreed upon.. but society has changed to the point where people don’t really care because god forbid anyone says anything logical then they are the devil if it’s on the other side of a nazi state when it comes to drinkin..

I will say the new laws with regard to dui are fucking ridiculous as well if you ask me. It isn’t .08 as most assume. It is .05 and officer discretion..

Again common sense out the window though.

Did you see me advocating for distracted driving checkpoints?

Nope. I realize that I take my chances every time I get on a bike.

You seem to defend impaired operation most of the time?

I even remember back in that thread that the guy crashed into a house at LOTO. You stated something to the effect that you really don’t care if folks drive drunk, as long as their safe?

I’ll look for the thread

 

[was thatguy]

They are laughing.

And taking notes!

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Prayers going out to fellow boaters in loto

Having been passenger in high speed boat accident I can assure you that the drivers problems are just beginning. The accident that I was involved in the driver was sober and no charges were filed. If the driver was in fact intoxicated he has to deal with the legal system and that’s just the...

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Posts #185 & #202. You state "you don't care".

That is where our disagreement is. I care, VERY much that our roadways (and waterways) are as safe as is possible. Keeping drunks off the roads and water seem a good place to start.

Let me ask you this. If a Boat Cop watches a guy pull into a bar at LOTO, observes him drinking for a couple hours, then jumps back in his boat, is that probable cause? should he just shrug his shoulders and let him drive off?