Pretty gnarly

[pixrthis]

Saw our friend’s car like this when we got to the desert Saturday morning. He was by himself and ok but that had to be a scary ride.

 

[dirtslinger2]

Damn, that cage did not hold up well. Glad he's OK, and lucky nobody was in that passenger rear seat.

Whats the story? Roll over?

 

[monkeyswrench]

Thank God he was alone. Rear passengers would have had a really bad day. Did he nose over and land on the tail, or did someone land on him?

 

[Dan Lorenze]

Good to hear he is ok...

 

[DLC]

Curious how that happened…

frt end looks good butt the back is destroyed

Kinda looks like a Nerfing gone bad

 

[Ziggy]

Glad your friend is ok!
.
I recently saw a rental Rzr with a folded oem cage that kinda freaked me out. The cage was crushed yet the Rzr itself looked perfectly fine, no bent suspension or major bruises on it anywhere.

 

[coolchange]

View attachment 1336564 Saw our friend’s car like this when we got to the desert Saturday morning. He was by himself and ok but that had to be a scary ride.

Who?

 

[Dunerking]

Jesus!!! Glad he made it out ok…and solo ride. OEM cages on those cars look terrible at best.
Passenger front a-arm looks bent and the axle angle at the diff appears to be going the wrong direction.

 

[pixrthis]

Who?

Firestein

 

[pixrthis]

Curious how that happened…

frt end looks good butt the back is destroyed

Kinda looks like a Nerfing gone bad

Launched a road crossing, lawn darted, and bounced all the way over onto the tail. Ended up on the passenger side. The people behind him said the amount of air it got after the lawn dart was unbelievable.

 

[coolchange]

Firestein

Shit that’s what I thought. He ok?

 

[pixrthis]

Shit that’s what I thought. He ok?

He says he’s ok but bruised from the seat belts.

 

[pixrthis]

Jesus!!! Glad he made it out ok…and solo ride. OEM cages on those cars look terrible at best.
Passenger front a-arm looks bent and the axle angle at the diff appears to be going the wrong direction.

All that and the bottom of the car looks to be banana’d too. So many bent parts and a broken axle, it’s done.

 

[HNL2LHC]

Thank God he was alone. Rear passengers would have had a really bad day. Did he nose over and land on the tail, or did someone land on him?

Right?!?!?!?! At first I didn’t realize there was a back seat. Then when other comments like your’s came up I was like oh my gosh!!!!

 

[monkeyswrench]

Launched a road crossing, lawn darted, and bounced all the way over onto the tail. Ended up on the passenger side. The people behind him said the amount of air it got after the lawn dart was unbelievable.

I hope his back and neck are OK. He'll be feeling that hit for a while

 

[2Driver]

Geez at first glance I thought it was a 2 seater.

If the angle is right, the momentum after a nose stick can be horrendous. I filmed one at Parker and it was beyond scary.

Glad he’s ok.

 

[Fabhouse]

Lucky guy...
I agree that the stock cages are generally garbage, but- That cage bent, did not break, and likely saved his life. The (likely huge) impact was reduced greatly by the deformation of the cage. Glad there were no passengers, specifically the passenger rear. That could have been deadly with correctly tightened belts.

 

[bilz]

Road crossing?
We were at keyhole and gecko Thursday left today. Saw a lot of wadded up stuff getting towed out.
Didn't see any life flights, hope that it the case. Hope your bud is truly ok.
A pack of tesla trucks buzzed our camp.

 

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Had the same thing happen on a RZR and the cage looked just like that. Driver drove into a bowl at Glamis and went end over end 4 times. Just like this, if there was passengers in the rear seats it would've been an air flight or coroner phone call. I was in the front passenger seat... I haven't and will never ride in one of those death traps since that day. Been at about 10 years.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Questions from a non-SxS person:

1)With a Rzr like this, are they temperamental in terms of weight bias and attitude? With a short wheelbase and a narrow track, it seems as though stuff could get cattywompous on long flight times. They don't have much mass in comparison to a truck or a buggy, so weight placement seems it could have greater effect.

2) what are the factory cages made from? As @Fabhouse points out, it went "full Volvo" crumple zone, but didn't tear. I've always thought these had a lack of triangulation, but if it were to have it, would the directed forces just punch through the tube at the intersections aligned with impact?

 

[tostark]

And in am guessing the extra fuel cans were empty. Had one of those ruptured… ugly fast. Always makes me leery seeing them mounted over the engine

 

[pixrthis]

And in am guessing the extra fuel cans were empty. Had one of those ruptured… ugly fast. Always makes me leery seeing them mounted over the engine

They were empty.

 

[Maw]

I saw three similarly mangled SXSs on the drive home from Havasu yesterday afternoon, two on the 15/91 Fwys.

 

[rivrrts429]

2) what are the factory cages made from? As @Fabhouse points out, it went "full Volvo" crumple zone, but didn't tear. I've always thought these had a lack of triangulation, but if it were to have it, would the directed forces just punch through the tube at the intersections aligned with impact?

It’s something like .083 welded seam Chinese junk. Not something you put a whole lot of confidence in.

 

[monkeyswrench]

It’s something like .083 welded seam Chinese junk. Not something you put a whole lot of confidence in.

Muffler tubing...great

 

[rivrrts429]

Muffler tubing...great

Pretty much. The only time I’ve ever owned a car with a stock cage was from the dealership I trailered the car up from to the shop building it’s aftermarket cage lol

 

[Badchoices03]

Pretty much. The only time I’ve ever owned a car with a stock cage was from the dealership I trailered the car up from to the shop building it’s aftermarket cage lol

When I removed the stock cage from my Talon, I cut it in half so that I can toss it in a dump trailer to haul to the dump....I was actually really shocked at how thin that cage was and how easily it was cut thru...I am glad I never put my family in it with the stock cage on...

 

[pixrthis]

When I removed the stock cage from my Talon, I cut it in half so that I can toss it in a dump trailer to haul to the dump....I was actually really shocked at how thin that cage was and how easily it was cut thru...I am glad I never put my family in it with the stock cage on...

And people want to drive them without helmets.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Honestly I would have figure .095 at a minimum. Even that would be too thin for my liking, but I could see production doing it. What are the chassis made from, the same just more of it?

 

[rivrrts429]

Honestly I would have figure .095 at a minimum. Even that would be too thin for my liking, but I could see production doing it. What are the chassis made from, the same just more of it?

Pretty much the same thing but I will say the triangulation and load transfer is decent for what it is and the weekend warrior will be fine but the roll cage is trash.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Pretty much the same thing but I will say the triangulation and load transfer is decent for what it is and the weekend warrior will be fine but the roll cage is trash.

I'd assume an aftermarket cage would also help stiffen up the chassis itself then. Like any other motorsport, just keep finding weak links as you repair damage.

 

[rrrr]

And in am guessing the extra fuel cans were empty. Had one of those ruptured… ugly fast. Always makes me leery seeing them mounted over the engine

I was going to comment on those fuel cans, but hesitated because I don't know shit about UTVs. But it's obvious to me cans in that position on vehicles which seem to be brown side up blue side down somewhat often are a risk with serious implications. I won't comment further about that in respect for the individual that lost his life in a UTV fire.

 

[SOCALCRICKETT]

When I removed the stock cage from my Talon, I cut it in half so that I can toss it in a dump trailer to haul to the dump....I was actually really shocked at how thin that cage was and how easily it was cut thru...I am glad I never put my family in it with the stock cage on...

That's exactly why I pulled mine off as soon as I could and went .95 DOM with roof / windshield intrusion bars and gusseted all the critical points on mine

 

[dirtslinger2]

That's exactly why I pulled mine off as soon as I could and went .95 DOM with roof / windshield intrusion bars and gusseted all the critical points on mine

your friends hand scares the shit out of me.

 

[sirbob]

your friends hand scares the shit out of me.

Makes me flinch.

That’s a bad habit to get into , putting your hand there

 

[Ziggy]

your friends hand scares the shit out of me.

Makes me flinch.

That’s a bad habit to get into , putting your hand there

Looks like a static posed photo vs a driving position. But yeah, you don't want to be putting it there

 

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And in am guessing the extra fuel cans were empty. Had one of those ruptured… ugly fast. Always makes me leery seeing them mounted over the engine

Another reason I'll never ride in one. Knock yourself out and the thing catches on fire. That's gotta be a terrible way to die or fuck up your body for the rest of your life. I'll stick to getting bucked off my dirt bike.

 

[Badchoices03]

That's exactly why I pulled mine off as soon as I could and went .95 DOM with roof / windshield intrusion bars and gusseted all the critical points on mine

Looks like your cage is very similar to mine, but i went lower in the back...who built yours?

 

[Fabhouse]

@monkeyswrench
I have built many (real ) race cars, and did one UTV. 2018 CanAm. I under bid the project, only because I can't let a car leave that I would not drive. The tubing (is metric, about 52mm i think?) 2". Cage, lowers, etc....Wall thickness was under .060. I removed the upper cage, and reinforced the entire chassis, before tying the "new" chassis to the new cage. I had considered buying a UTV before, but not after. Every part of the structure was subpar for what I expected, and the geometry of the cage was poor at best.
Fast forward 6 years later....and I really hate to bring it up, but the Speed car had a not only acceptable cage and chassis, but almost overbuilt in areas (in my opinion).
I do agree with your point that the better cages have to connect to solid points-Do they? That I cannot comment on, I have not built or owned 99.999% of them.
All I can say for sure, is that I am glad this guy was ok. No doubt a bad wreck. I really cannot stress enough to the folks driving these cars at the speed that they are capable of that I, personally, will not get in with out a helmet, good belts and a neck restraint. This rule goes for my family as well. You race long enough, you see the avoidable injuries and results of them.

 

[Fabhouse]

I need to clarify- Modern UTV race cars are Race Cars. Purpose built and amazingly fast, I don't want to take away from what the current, and past ones are doing/have done. They are also not at all stock chassis.

 

[pixrthis]

I need to clarify- Modern UTV race cars are Race Cars. Purpose built and amazingly fast, I don't want to take away from what the current, and past ones are doing/have done. They are also not at all stock chassis.

I met a kid who works for a family that races a Honda Ridgeline and Honda Talons and he told me he doesn’t understand why they even buy a stock Talon because there’s not much left of it on the race version.

 

[Fabhouse]

A new car is a cheap fixture plate. Build around until you can cut the old away!

 

[rivrrts429]

I met a kid who works for a family that races a Honda Ridgeline and Honda Talons and he told me he doesn’t understand why they even buy a stock Talon because there’s not much left of it on the race version.

There is little left of a stock Talon once it’s been race prepped. It’s obese and needs a diet when all done. This was the Talon we raced in the Baja 1000, it was heavy and a pig.

 

[pixrthis]

There is little left of a stock Talon once it’s been race prepped. It’s obese and needs a diet when all done. This was the Talon we raced in the Baja 1000, it was heavy and a pig.

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But was it dependable? Racing offshore boats taught me that the fastest boats didn’t always finish.

 

[monkeyswrench]

But was it dependable? Racing offshore boats taught me that the fastest boats didn’t always finish.

I think it's the same in off road. At least that's what I saw 20+ years ago. Trucks could roll out Mach 5, but be an a stretcher before the finish line.

 

[rivrrts429]

But was it dependable? Racing offshore boats taught me that the fastest boats didn’t always finish.

Extremely dependable and a great car. We earned a first place in class at the 1000 so no complaints

You’re spot on with the fastest doesn’t always win races. I’d argue further and say they rarely do. It’s the hare and the turtle argument.

When we landed the deal with Honda I wasn’t prepared for how different the strategy would be from our Turbo S program. It was a learning curve, both talent and strategy for sure, but it worked out in the end and we came home with a first place trophy.

I love the Honda’s and the Kawi’s. They’re great cars and ultra dependable. Went on a ride with Jeremy McGrath at KOH’s and took my race car to do some shock testing. Jeremy has a Kawi and it was a beast. Surprising the Honda or Kawi aren’t more popular. One of Jeremy’s friends runs 37” tires on his Kawi with no issues and a couple thousand miles on them through Baja. Very cool cars.

 

[Badchoices03]

Surprising the Honda or Kawi aren’t more popular.

It's because none of the cool kids have them.....

 

[rivrrts429]

It's because none of the cool kids have them.....

Fuck those cool kids lol

 

[pixrthis]

Extremely dependable and a great car. We earned a first place in class at the 1000 so no complaints

You’re spot on with the fastest doesn’t always win races. I’d argue further and say they rarely do. It’s the hare and the turtle argument.

When we landed the deal with Honda I wasn’t prepared for how different the strategy would be from our Turbo S program. It was a learning curve, both talent and strategy for sure, but it worked out in the end and we came home with a first place trophy.

I love the Honda’s and the Kawi’s. They’re great cars and ultra dependable. Went on a ride with Jeremy McGrath at KOH’s and took my race car to do some shock testing. Jeremy has a Kawi and it was a beast. Surprising the Honda or Kawi aren’t more popular. One of Jeremy’s friends runs 37” tires on his Kawi with no issues and a couple thousand miles on them through Baja. Very cool cars.

It's because none of the cool kids have them.....

We’re definitely not cool because we would of bought the Kawasaki had we not bought the Honda.

 

[rivrrts429]

View attachment 1337628 View attachment 1337629 We’re definitely not cool because we would of bought the Kawasaki had we not bought the Honda.

There’s some great looking cars in this thread

@rivermobster needs to stop being such a cheap ass and get himself his Honda or Kawi.