Predator 3 Skater 388ss 204mph run…..

[Bpracing1127]

One I saw of predator had to be closer to 65

 

[Singleton]

Just watched a few starting line videos from yesterday. What speed are the boats traveling at the drop of the green?

Supposed to be 40.
Hearing rumors that was not held yesterday. Hopping someone clarifies.
@RiverDave - when you wake up can you find out from Todd T

 

[HST4ME]

Karen's arise!

 

[stephenkatsea]

So, some experts, who weren't even here, are quoting numbers for the starting speeds. Interesting. Yet, expected. The Karen's have Arisen.

 

[DWC]

So, some experts, who weren't even here, are quoting numbers for the starting speeds. Interesting. Yet, expected. The Karen's have Arisen.

The IG experts were out in full force. They couldn’t figure out that the vid was from the starting line. Funny stuff.
I don’t know how fast they were going at the start, not 100% sure the radar gun was spot on. They did all have the same starting area and gun though. It was directionally correct as my finance guys tell me at work when i question their numbers. Either way, some big numbers in not so perfect conditions. I’m not sure what P3 has run in optimal conditions with unlimited space. Gotta be a big number with that hull/HP.

 

[Tom Slick]

So, some experts, who weren't even here, are quoting numbers for the starting speeds. Interesting. Yet, expected. The Karen's have Arisen.

So asking what the starting speed was makes a person an expert and a Karen?

 

[Melloyellovector]

Starting speed was not limited to 40mph, they were allowed wide open throttle at the start.
realistically making it a 1 mile course. Trying to find post, I believe it was Ray Lee that said.
edit: found it

 

[hallett21]

Does it really matter lol? @skater40 could run 250 and someone would bitch.

It’s an insanely fast open canopy piston powered boat

 

[River Dirt 2]

Really, Gary runs 200+ in an open boat in front of 100’s of spectators for nothing but a trophy and we care what his entry speed was…..please.
I was there and it was awesome.
And have Patty drive it to 185 for queen of the desert, F…ing awesome.

Congrats to Gary, Patty and Carson Brummett for powering the beast!

 

[Tom Slick]

Does it really matter lol? @skater40 could run 250 and someone would bitch.

It’s an insanely fast open canopy piston powered boat

It kind of does matter if there is a standard for these events. Shootouts at both LOTO and Desert Storm have always had a max 40 mph rolling start. Both events moved to 3/4 mile course for safety purposes and naturally top speeds were reduced. Yesterday Desert Storm allowed 1/4 mile run up to the start. This drastically changed the top end speed at the finish line. So when these same boats head to other shootouts like LOTO this year the top speeds are likely to vary quite a bit if those shootouts maintain the 40 mph start speed rule. Instead of comparing apples to apples, they will be comparing apples to oranges.

Gary’s run was massively impressive, but can it be duplicated at LOTO with a slower start?

 

[hallett21]

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It kind of does matter if there is a standard for these events. Shootouts at both LOTO and Desert Storm have always had a max 40 mph rolling start. Both events moved to 3/4 mile course for safety purposes and naturally top speeds were reduced. Yesterday Desert Storm allowed 1/4 mile run up to the start. This drastically changed the top end speed at the finish line. So when these same boats head to other shootouts like LOTO this year the top speeds are likely to vary quite a bit if those shootouts maintain the 40 mph start speed rule. Instead of comparing apples to apples, they will be comparing apples to oranges.

Gary’s run was massively impressive, but can it be duplicated at LOTO with a slower start?

i hear ya.

If it were up to me it would be 2 miles to see who has the biggest stones.

 

[River Dirt 2]

It kind of does matter if there is a standard for these events. Shootouts at both LOTO and Desert Storm have always had a max 40 mph rolling start. Both events moved to 3/4 mile course for safety purposes and naturally top speeds were reduced. Yesterday Desert Storm allowed 1/4 mile run up to the start. This drastically changed the top end speed at the finish line. So when these same boats head to other shootouts like LOTO this year the top speeds are likely to vary quite a bit if those shootouts maintain the 40 mph start speed rule. Instead of comparing apples to apples, they will be comparing apples to oranges.

Gary’s run was massively impressive, but can it be duplicated at LOTO with a slower start?

If everyone at DS had the same rule book then it is what it is, and a great show
Time will tell what LOTO has to offer, and I will be there too.
I for one enjoyed the shit out of yesterdays runs.

 

[Englewood]

Does it really matter lol? @skater40 could run 250 and someone would bitch.

It’s an insanely fast open canopy piston powered boat

Seriously... Who TF cares?! 204 is 204. The haters show up at every opportunity.

Comment sections made everyone a tough guy.

 

[twocents]

Maybe I'm hallucinating but it seems to me I read somewhere a few weeks ago that the LOTO Shoot-Out had changed its format for 2023? It had received (or maybe just applied for) both APBA and UIM recognized official world speed records. No more radar guns -- actual electronic timing equipment. The course to be one kilometer in length -- flying (full throttle) starts -- and two-way runs to establish a record. Maybe somebody can confirm or debunk? -- those wild mushrooms growing in my backyard pack a pretty good punch.

 

[River Dirt 2]

Maybe I'm hallucinating but it seems to me I read somewhere a few weeks ago that the LOTO Shoot-Out had changed its format for 2023? It had received (or maybe just applied for) both APBA and UIM recognized official world speed records. No more radar guns -- actual electronic timing equipment. The course to be one kilometer in length -- flying (full throttle) starts -- and two-way runs to establish a record. Maybe somebody can confirm or debunk? -- those wild mushrooms growing in my backyard pack a pretty good punch.

A quick Google says no changes to the format but maybe you have a link to new info?

 

[twocents]

A quick Google says no changes to the format but maybe you have a link to new info?

Sorry I don't -- but I'll keep looking. Perhaps just wishful thinking and a hallucination on my part. If I dig something up I'll post it here.

 

[Drew]

Which Shoot Out accidents? Have there ever been any accidents in the actual event? Not including that foreign flag house boat incident of a few years ago.

I think outer limits founder died in an event

 

[wet hull]

I have a question for Skater40 or who also might know, but 1st congratulations on a insane run!!

My question, do you treat these runs like a drag race program would, and after these few hard passes need to have the motors gone through? Im not saying anything broke but just as a cautionary practice? Those 2 power houses you have are beyond impressive.

 

[lake p.a.l.]

LOTO is going to have their standard Shootout but also have Kilo runs after for a few hours. The Kilo runs are rolling start however fast you want to be going and clock your speed both directions. Should be very interesting

 

[skater40]

I have a question for Skater40 or who also might know, but 1st congratulations on a insane run!!

My question, do you treat these runs like a drag race program would, and after these few hard passes need to have the motors gone through? Im not saying anything broke but just as a cautionary practice? Those 2 power houses you have are beyond impressive.

It goes back to Carson for a leak down , valve adjustment and oil and filters changed.
Motors have been VERY reliable.

 

[CLdrinker]

204mph no matter the distance is super impressive.

How many people here think 100mph in their boat is fast. This dude just dropped his nuts on your chin and doubled that number.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

It kind of does matter if there is a standard for these events. Shootouts at both LOTO and Desert Storm have always had a max 40 mph rolling start. Both events moved to 3/4 mile course for safety purposes and naturally top speeds were reduced. Yesterday Desert Storm allowed 1/4 mile run up to the start. This drastically changed the top end speed at the finish line. So when these same boats head to other shootouts like LOTO this year the top speeds are likely to vary quite a bit if those shootouts maintain the 40 mph start speed rule. Instead of comparing apples to apples, they will be comparing apples to oranges.

Gary’s run was massively impressive, but can it be duplicated at LOTO with a slower start?

It does not matter. There are no standards, no national sanctioning body, no consistency between each event. Each one of these events are a one off exhibition for bragging rights. No more, no less.

As @twocents mentioned, once these are through an actual sanctioning body, consistently ran, consistently timed and you have to back up your run, could all these events be comparable.

But then will come the safety requirements.

 

[attitude]

Is 204 mph a record for an open cockpit pleasure boat?

 

[hallett21]

I think predator 1 could break 200. Not sure what the top speed was though.

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

I have a question for Skater40 or who also might know, but 1st congratulations on a insane run!!

My question, do you treat these runs like a drag race program would, and after these few hard passes need to have the motors gone through? Im not saying anything broke but just as a cautionary practice? Those 2 power houses you have are beyond impressive.

That's a good question. Interested on what it takes to maintain something like this.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

That's a good question. Interested on what it takes to maintain something like this.

Probably more per event than my boat costs lol.

 

[MK1MOD0]

Good news is, since they are allowing what is basically a full mile run, it may entice some of the other fast boats that normal run LOTO ( American Ethenol ) and such, to head out west. Lets hope they can get a live stream going as well

 

[Englewood]

204mph no matter the distance is super impressive.

How many people here think 100mph in their boat is fast. This dude just dropped his nuts on your chin and doubled that number.

Do you have a 100mph boat?

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

It goes back to Carson for a leak down , valve adjustment and oil and filters changed.
Motors have been VERY reliable.

Congratulations Gary & Patty.

Question, RPM’s and was the slip different from last years runs?

Still in shock, absolutely jaw dropping levels of performance and commitment from everyone.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Do you have a 100mph boat?

I have a “White Buffalo”….

 

[CLdrinker]

Do you have a 100mph boat?

I was close once.. But I never hated on the people with big and better which was my point.
I’m sorry but for guys to be questioning the roll in speed to discredit a 200+ run is odd unless they too have a 200mph boat.

 

[CLdrinker]

It does not matter. There are no standards, no national sanctioning body, no consistency between each event. Each one of these events are a one off exhibition for bragging rights. No more, no less.

As @twocents mentioned, once these are through an actual sanctioning body, consistently ran, consistently timed and you have to back up your run, could all these events be comparable.

But then will come the safety requirements.

You left out water and wind conditions as significant variables.

 

[Racedirt]

 

[Bpracing1127]

Awesome

 

[Lord M((Squared))]

I first off want to say congrats to @skater40 for putting up that number, that was a beautiful run. Honestly up until Friday evening I was not going to run this year but I ran into Gary and Patty Friday evening and Gary basically gave me that little extra motivational push that had me heading to storage 6pm friday to blow the dust off of the OL which had not touched water since last Oct, and spend the night throwing a conservative setup on the boat to run. Was able to make it Saturday am (a bit late) and made 4 runs the last two which were at the very end (I think my last being the final run of the day) both being back to back 111 mph passes. My first two were basically throw away runs with my second run having a boat coming directly at me in the course. I honestly still couldn't tell you where the finish line was but I apparently found it on the last two passes. Just wanted to say thanks Gary.....I appreciated that positive motivation to get after it and I now have a great baseline to work from to prep for my first LOTO trip this year.

 

[sintax]

man, whoever was floating / anchored off to the right there got a hell of a fly by around 2:40 in that video.

I also find it a bit funny people getting all worked up about 204 mph in a 3/4 mile run. You guys realize theres a whole group of dudes who are doing 200-220 mph runs every event in a 1/4 mile (ish) and no one even cares to go out and watch the poor guys anymore.

 

[69hondo]

Almost every thread goes south so quick. The only threads that don't get fucked up are the good morning threads. I guess everyone can agree on nice ass!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

man, whoever was floating / anchored off to the right there got a hell of a fly by around 2:40 in that video.

I also find it a bit funny people getting all worked up about 204 mph in a 3/4 mile run. You guys realize theres a whole group of dudes who are doing 200-220 mph runs every event in a 1/4 mile (ish) and no one even cares to go out and watch the poor guys anymore.

Not only that it’s professionally timed, and the event is announced and broadcasted for everyone to hear. Best of all there is no crying game from the peanut gallery about start speeds, conditions, timing, and radar guns after every event.

It would be pretty funny if one of the drag boat guys showed up, and did 60MPH for 2/3 of the course then put the hammer down and took the overall win.

 

[River Dirt 2]

man, whoever was floating / anchored off to the right there got a hell of a fly by around 2:40 in that video.

I also find it a bit funny people getting all worked up about 204 mph in a 3/4 mile run. You guys realize theres a whole group of dudes who are doing 200-220 mph runs every event in a 1/4 mile (ish) and no one even cares to go out and watch the poor guys anymore.

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[ToMorrow44]

No LOTO shootout this year Gary? @skater40

 

[Tom Slick]

Let me clear the air, at least for myself. Never in any of my posts where I was asking about the start speed was I attempting to take anything away from any competitors, Gary Smith included. It was just a simple question, as I observed what appeared to be start speeds far in excess of the 40 mph speed that has been the shootout standard for as far as I can remember. I was curious because the top end speeds this year jumped dramatically over years past at any 3/4 mile shootout. LOTO is the OG shootout in the country and has set the standard that most other shootouts follow, Desert Storm included, so being able to make speed comparisons is easy because of the events utilizing similar rules. That said, I'm not hating on anyone, not trying to be an internet tough guy, or keyboard warrior, so how you guys got all of that from just asking a simple question is beyond me.

As for @skater40 I have admired Gary and his program for a very long time. I've had the pleasure of hanging around with Gary a little bit over the years and can say that he's a down to earth, humble and all around good dude. His 204 mph speed this weekend is incredible and only he and a handful of others really know the true speed of Predator III and I'm pretty sure as the saying goes "There's a lot left".

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

Probably more per event than my boat costs lol.

One of the props cost more than my last boat.. lol

 

[ToMorrow44]

Amazing runs nonetheless!!

 

[sintax]

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Amazing runs nonetheless!!

So i did notice that as well, I was not aware they changed the rules and was surprised when I saw them hard charging towards the starting line.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Just watched the video...Holy Shit
That boat seemed to become more comfortable appearing after it reached probably 100? At high speed, it just looked smooth.

What thoroughly impresses me is the mass of that thing. I've been to see drag boats. They are impressive as hell, and leave almost violently. They are also essentially floating engine stands...very little in the way of excess weight. A 388 is not a lightweight setup. The fact that it still looks like a pleasure boat and not a purpose built racer is also cool.

Sounds wicked too!

 

[Singleton]

So i did notice that as well, I was not aware they changed the rules and was surprised when I saw them hard charging towards the starting line.

Wonder if LOTO and Texas Outlaw will revise their rules. It was nice to have consistency

 

[Rayson1971]

Climate has alot to do with it. Same boat will run different in lotto. I know my boat runs better on the Colorado River waterway than any other socal lake. I think it's awesome for the both to run that fast. Butt pucker for sure.