Pool Build Thread

[GRADS]

Gonna check it out. Thank you. I was going to town w a clothes hanger and you're right there is something in there

I wish I lived closer, I'd come over and do it for you. It's seriously a 10 minute job.

 

[VoodooMedMan]

We got a quote. Big number, put remodel on hold for a bit. It's clogged for sure. Pump i was told was good and fairly new. I had to unclog it as best I could before putting the blower. That pipe would fill w water all the way up to the blower which I was told would ruin it. Unclogged it the best i could and now the pipe doesn't fill up and I can run the blower. Still not happy w it though. Plaster was actually cheap. It was plumbing that really got pricey.

And adding a reef step and new deck and relocating equipment and redoing coping etc etc.

Hopefully Grads tips will help you out so it works better until you do the complete remodel.

 

[Melloyellovector]

I want to say there is nothing to unscrew it's just a pvc pipe? I'm not 100% sure though. The previous homeowner was a bigger knuckle head than me. I'll jump in w the go pro and take pics when I get home from the river

Inside the spa you have your eyeball, attached to pipe, that's attached to your jet. If you have/had old heater where metal pieces flaked out, filter with broken grids etc etc those pieces can travel thru plumbing and into returns. Including spa jets. The orifice can get clogged with crap. If you remove orifice while pump running to keep what ever stuck in place as you remove.
See pic of typical #7 jet in most every residential spa built

The orifice for jet nozzle can be removed, usually you can remove with 1/2 PVC pipe, it fits snug over orifice, and unthread, clean and put back.
If you use socket, be careful on older pool. About 25 years or so back and older, all those jets were made by Anzen a company that is now long gone. So if you break that nozzle you'll be screwed, no replacement, threads are different than anything available. If 80s ish or newer likely new style jets same as ones made today.

You could also be missing a nozzle, if missing one nozzle it can destroy flow to all jets, requiring a blower also.
Start w draining spa into pool, get in there, break out a flashlight and see what ya got.

 

[E4L]

Shows 23x34

That's a big one looks nice[emoji106]
Keep us posted on the build.

 

[Rsqfxr]

That's a big one looks nice[emoji106]
Keep us posted on the build.

Here is as of yesterday, rebar starts Monday

 

[skav]

We made some good progress yesterday. We had the excavator clean up/flatten the ramp and get the shallow/deep end transition where is should be.

The rebar guys killed it and got everything tied off yesterday too.

The plumbers come out Monday, so we are on track for gunnite late next week after rough inspection Wendesday-ish.


Oh, and we finally agreed on the coping color and style.

 

[BHC Vic]

Inside the spa you have your eyeball, attached to pipe, that's attached to your jet. If you have/had old heater where metal pieces flaked out, filter with broken grids etc etc those pieces can travel thru plumbing and into returns. Including spa jets. The orifice can get clogged with crap. If you remove orifice while pump running to keep what ever stuck in place as you remove.
See pic of typical #7 jet in most every residential spa built
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The orifice for jet nozzle can be removed, usually you can remove with 1/2 PVC pipe, it fits snug over orifice, and unthread, clean and put back.
If you use socket, be careful on older pool. About 25 years or so back and older, all those jets were made by Anzen a company that is now long gone. So if you break that nozzle you'll be screwed, no replacement, threads are different than anything available. If 80s ish or newer likely new style jets same as ones made today.

You could also be missing a nozzle, if missing one nozzle it can destroy flow to all jets, requiring a blower also.
Start w draining spa into pool, get in there, break out a flashlight and see what ya got.

Thank you. I'll be jumping In tomorrow to get it figured out. Would be nice to have a working spa till I can get the remodel figured out [emoji106]

 

[Rsqfxr]

As of today

 

[skav]

Got the plumbing in today.

 

[tkrrox]

Got the plumbing in today.
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Looking good brother. Hurry up and finish so I can use it[emoji23]ps I'll need a key! Lol

 

[Rsqfxr]

Got the plumbing in today.
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Nice looks like I'm just behind you, they start my plumbing today

 

[Rsqfxr]

 

[HavasuHank]

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Everything is looking great Teren. [emoji106] [emoji106]

 

[VoodooMedMan]

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Looks nice. So no setback on equipment over in your city? Good to know.

Skimmer looks to be in view from the house so you will always see it. Something to consider if it's not too late to make a change and if it won't cost you anything.

 

[VoodooMedMan]

Got the plumbing in today.
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Looks nice. Seems real big from the pics. You have any yard left?

 

[Melloyellovector]

Looks nice. So no setback on equipment over in your city? Good to know.

Skimmer looks to be in view from the house so you will always see it. Something to consider if it's not too late to make a change and if it won't cost you anything.

That looks to be 5ft setback, the valves etc are between equipment and wall. I could be wrong

 

[VoodooMedMan]

That looks to be 5ft setback, the valves etc are between equipment and wall. I could be wrong

You very well could be right. I'm looking on phone screen. Just looks like filter is pretty close to back wall and I assumed that equipment setback would include the pipes and valves coming out of the ground. I was just wondering as my brother is still kicking around the idea of building a pool.

 

[Rsqfxr]

You very well could be right. I'm looking on phone screen. Just looks like filter is pretty close to back wall and I assumed that equipment setback would include the pipes and valves coming out of the ground. I was just wondering as my brother is still kicking around the idea of building a pool.

Yes its at least 3 feet from the wall

 

[FASTJTBT144]

Who doing your shotcrete?

 

[VoodooMedMan]

Yes its at least 3 feet from the wall

Cool so maybe a 3 foot setback at least if not 5. Good to know.

 

[VoodooMedMan]

Who doing your shotcrete?

This guy has contacts in Shotcrete. I got hooked up big time. Worth it to give him a call. He is a big resource on the entire build but certainly in Shotcrete.

Thanks again!

 

[E4L]

Looks nice. Seems real big from the pics. You have any yard left?

Doesn't look like it

 

[skav]

Looks nice. Seems real big from the pics. You have any yard left?

Yeah, we left a little. Good thing we were able to cut back the hill. We took about 8' out of it so we'll end up with a 5' retaining wall at the hill.

The shallow side has about 15' to the fence, the spa side is right at 21' to the fence and the face of the pool is 11' from the house.

It all works in my head, I guess we'll see how it all turns out.

 

[skav]

Doesn't look like it

The pool is 37x16 with a 10x12 spa. The yard shrinks a bit with all the piles of dirt.

 

[VoodooMedMan]

Yeah, we left a little. Good thing we were able to cut back the hill. We took about 8' out of it so we'll end up with a 5' retaining wall at the hill.

The shallow side has about 15' to the fence, the spa side is right at 21' to the fence and the face of the pool is 11' from the house.

It all works in my head, I guess we'll see how it all turns out.

Yeah you don't need a ton. Just a deck somewhere to hang out in chairs or maybe do a fire pit in the winter. You actually have more space on the sides than I do. Just the pics don't seem like it just yet.

Nice big dang pool and spa. And it'll seem a lot bigger because of the slope above. That raised beam has got to be costing you a pretty penny.

Looking good. Keep the pics coming.

 

[E4L]

Flags are out for a reason

 

[Ziggy]

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"Tis the season :thumbup:
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its amazing how many builds are going on just in this circle of people.... congrats.

 

[VoodooMedMan]

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Awesome. You want to share what design you ended up going with?

 

[E4L]

Thanks everyone.

 

[E4L]

What are your guys thoughts on the grass between the house and the pool. I'm trying to save as much grass as I can because my kids love playing in the backyard as well

 

[VoodooMedMan]

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Very nice. Are going doing the monolithic deck like that?

What are your guys thoughts on the grass between the house and the pool. I'm trying to save as much grass as I can because my kids love playing in the backyard as well

Is there another spot off to the side? If you do it between then at least make a path that you can go from house to pool deck without walking on grass.

 

[GRADS]

What are your guys thoughts on the grass between the house and the pool. I'm trying to save as much grass as I can because my kids love playing in the backyard as well

Grass is overrated...But I would keep a tiny patch for when you're wet and don't want to go in the house to take a leak.

 

[E4L]

Grass is overrated...But I would keep a tiny patch for when you're wet and don't want to go in the house to take a leak.

I need some for the kids bounce house swing set etc

 

[E4L]

Very nice. Are going doing the monolithic deck like that?

Is there another spot off to the side? If you do it between then at least make a path that you can go from house to pool deck without walking on grass.

Your speaking Greek to me talk English. I deliver packages not build pools

 

[E4L]

From the step in the deep end there is about a area 35 feet by 20

 

[HOOTER SLED-]

What are your guys thoughts on the grass between the house and the pool. I'm trying to save as much grass as I can because my kids love playing in the backyard as well

You're gonna hate skimming grass out of your pool. I'm glad mine is separated by planters.

 

[VoodooMedMan]

Your speaking Greek to me talk English. I deliver packages not build pools

Hey you too can be an expert in 5 easy steps.

Anyhow that drawing has one deck and the coping all in one rather than a separate pour of coping over the top of the actual pool and then a deck separated by mastic.

Has its minuses but it's pretty dang cool looking.

 

[VoodooMedMan]

From the step in the deep end there is about a area 35 feet by 20

Visually, I think it's better off to the side rather ha. Between house and pool. With not having a half acre or better to really have separate parts is just go all deck personally. Grass in pool and kids really just want to be in pool. Bouncers can go on concrete just fine.

But that's our opinion. Take them for what it's worth by do what works for you. Just like not putting in a spa.

 

[E4L]

Hey you too can be an expert in 5 easy steps.

Anyhow that drawing has one deck and the coping all in one rather than a separate pour of coping over the top of the actual pool and then a deck separated by mastic.

Has its minuses but it's pretty dang cool looking.

I still don't understand lol

 

[VoodooMedMan]

I still don't understand lol

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This is a separate coping and deck. Your rendering shows no separation. One complete deck. Looks great and modern and no need for maintaining rubber.

I would think no issues if done right but it has to be done right because a pool is actually a free floating shell that moves so if it moves too much because of the soil or earthquakes or whatever it could crack your deck since it's all one piece like that. So repairs means whole sections of deck. Also if you ever want something different during a remodel again you have to do the whole deck instead of just changing coping.

Just how I understand it. The pool builders in here can explain better or even differently if I'm wrong.

 

[GRADS]

This is a separate coping and deck. Your rendering shows no separation. One complete deck. Looks great and modern and no need for maintaining rubber.

I would think no issues if done right but it has to be done right because a pool is actually a free floating shell that moves so if it moves too much because of the soil or earthquakes or whatever it could crack your deck since it's all one piece like that. So repairs means whole sections of deck. Also if you ever want something different during a remodel again you have to do the whole deck instead of just changing coping.

Just how I understand it. The pool builders in here can explain better or even differently if I'm wrong.

Not really. The pool once it has water in it will most likely not move. If it does you have much bigger problems. The decks are what move due to expansion and settling. You will have similar problems with both set ups. The only difference is E4L's will separate from the pool where yours will separate from the coping. If the soil is prepared properly neither will happen. As far as remodeling it doesn't make a difference.

 

[AQUA-HOLICS]

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This is a separate coping and deck. Your rendering shows no separation. One complete deck. Looks great and modern and no need for maintaining rubber.

I would think no issues if done right but it has to be done right because a pool is actually a free floating shell that moves so if it moves too much because of the soil or earthquakes or whatever it could crack your deck since it's all one piece like that. So repairs means whole sections of deck. Also if you ever want something different during a remodel again you have to do the whole deck instead of just changing coping.

Just how I understand it. The pool builders in here can explain better or even differently if I'm wrong.

Actually you never want your pool to move, not even an inch. The plumbing is not very forgiving at the points that it enters the shell. Pools that " pop-up " out of the ground ( most commonly from being empty of water and having the soil moisture surrounding the pool high) only an inch or less can sheer most of the plumbing off. It's your deck that moves up to an 1/4 inch per 100 feet with contraction and expansion from temperature changes. How your couping is poured is very important to this movement. It must have separation between its self and the pool shell. The deck-o-seal is there to absorb that movement of the deck. That is why it is so important to never let that seal deteriorate to allow water under your deck because that will allow expansion of the earth below and raise the height of your deck at that location. If you have the seal replaced don't allow sand to be used as a filler in the gap between the deck and the coping. The sand will eventually harden and loose its ability to move with the deck, the manufacturer calls for foam to be used, also expansion cuts should not make contact with your drain covers. It should be a diamond shape around the deck drains with the expansion joints connecting to that diamond. This will lessen the chance of secondary cracks around your drains. Hope this helps, Ray.

 

[VoodooMedMan]

There you have it. Regardless either way has to be done right.

 

[VoodooMedMan]

Not really. The pool once it has water in it will most likely not move. If it does you have much bigger problems. The decks are what move due to expansion and settling. You will have similar problems with both set ups. The only difference is E4L's will separate from the pool where yours will separate from the coping. If the soil is prepared properly neither will happen. As far as remodeling it doesn't make a difference.

Totally hear you. My only point with remodeling was that you can't just replace coping for a different color or something. Would have to do entire deck. I guess maybe you could saw cut?

 

[GRADS]

Totally hear you. My only point with remodeling was that you can't just replace coping for a different color or something. Would have to do entire deck. I guess maybe you could saw cut?

Why would replace the deck? If the deck is ugly it doesn't matter if you have coping. Ugly deck is ugly deck.

 

[VoodooMedMan]

Why would replace the deck? If the deck is ugly it doesn't matter if you have coping. Ugly deck is ugly deck.

I hear you. I did it to do it once. I'm happy with it. I'm just seeing all these remodels where people are changing stuff. Look at One A Days thread etc. so maybe not in NorCal. Maybe Havasu.

Wasn't saying at all not to do monolithic at all. Just wondering. Looks slick.

 

[E4L]

If 12 inch thick of pool siding moves with rebar in it some dumb ass shouldn't be building pools.

 

[E4L]

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This is a separate coping and deck. Your rendering shows no separation. One complete deck. Looks great and modern and no need for maintaining rubber.

I would think no issues if done right but it has to be done right because a pool is actually a free floating shell that moves so if it moves too much because of the soil or earthquakes or whatever it could crack your deck since it's all one piece like that. So repairs means whole sections of deck. Also if you ever want something different during a remodel again you have to do the whole deck instead of just changing coping.

Just how I understand it. The pool builders in here can explain better or even differently if I'm wrong.

Gotcha. It will all be the same no separation

 

[VoodooMedMan]

If 12 inch thick of pool siding moves with rebar in it some dumb ass shouldn't be building pools.

True. I knew I'd explain it wrong. Glad these guys set it straight.

I really just asked because I was wondering if you were going for that look.

 

[GRADS]

I hear you. I did it to do it once. I'm happy with it. I'm just seeing all these remodels where people are changing stuff. Look at One A Days thread etc. so maybe not in NorCal. Maybe Havasu.

Wasn't saying at all not to do monolithic at all. Just wondering. Looks slick.

If you have no coping it never gets ugly and you never have to replace it ....am I missing something here? And this "in NorCal" stuff is starting to piss me off. A pool is a pool whether it's in Havasu or here. We do coping here as well.