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LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- LAPD SWAT team members say they're angered over a report commissioned by Police Chief William Bratton.
The report, compiled by a panel of law enforcement experts, has not been made public, but the L.A. Times obtained a draft of the document.
According to the Times, the report concludes that SWAT is very insular, showing there is little turnover in the unit and that there's never been a female SWAT officer in its 40 year history.
The report criticizes the rigorous training and selection criteria, saying it focuses more on physical strength than negotiating skills.
Story continues belowAdvertisementOne recommendation is to lighten training and entry regulations to make it easier for women to become SWAT officers.
Some team members say the changes are misguided and will weaken the unit. They are calling the shorter set of tests being imposed 'a watering down of standards.'
The Times says some SWAT officers' wives have even emailed the LAPD saying the changes are an attempt to be politically correct to allow a woman on the team and could compromise their husbands' safety.
The draft report also finds a trend of resolving conflicts with suspects through force instead of through peaceful negotiations. Anonymous SWAT officers interviewed by the Times say they're being second guessed after the fact and that they only go tactical when they have to.
Police Chief Bratton has not commented on the report, he declined to be interviewed by the L.A. Times, but the department says it is going to be turning the report over to the Police Commission and presenting the findings in two to three months.

Just saw this on the news. This is a little scary that standards might be lowered just to be politically correct. I wonder if D platoon will end up with more white guys who were just below the standards? I bet not!!!!
 
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I didn't realize that negotiating was part of Special Weapons And Tactics team?
 

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Don't you know, they need a 5' nothing 100 lb with her duty belt on to make things PC... :rolleyes:
 

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who are these "Law enforcement experts" ???? Look, I'm female and believe there are just some jobs best left to men. Call it what you want, I truely feel that way. Some things should just be left to the real experts........the folks that actually perform the job. This is just BS.

Freekin political correctness and bleeding hearts.....:swear
 

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I don't have a problem with women joining this unit or fire units, I do have a problem with lowering standards to fit a cause. If they can do the job , pass the test etc. good for them. I don't care if your white, black blue, green, male or female if you can help me when i need your services that's all i want.


who are these "Law enforcement experts" ???? Look, I'm female and believe there are just some jobs best left to men.
 

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I don't have a problem with women joining this unit or fire units, I do have a problem with lowering standards to fit a cause. If they can do the job , pass the test etc. good for them. I don't care if your white, black blue, green, male or female if you can help me when i need your services that's all i want.

100% agree. couldn't have said it better myself
 

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Call me crazy, but maybe negotiating is a tactic.

Nothing wrong with a chick being on the team if she can hang.

I'd think that some "outside the box" thinking would be good for a unit that seems pretty insular. Maybe some percentage of time assigned to detective or street (and visa versa).
 

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Call me crazy, but maybe negotiating is a tactic.

Nothing wrong with a chick being on the team if she can hang.

I'd think that some "outside the box" thinking would be good for a unit that seems pretty insular. Maybe some percentage of time assigned to detective or street (and visa versa).

that'd be bitchen to get pulled over by some swat guy on street duty for awhile.. On second thought maybe not. LOL

Let me conclusively say, would you rather get pulled over by Boatcop? or LowRiver? LOL...

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More political bullsh*t.

So how long until the lowered standards result in the death of several officers? And really... how much negotiation should SWAT have to do? If the SWAT unit shows up at your door you can pretty much rest assured you've done something REALLY F'N bad and you most likely deserve to be beat down, f*cked up and probably killed.
 

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I don't have a problem with women joining this unit or fire units, I do have a problem with lowering standards to fit a cause. If they can do the job , pass the test etc. good for them. I don't care if your white, black blue, green, male or female if you can help me when i need your services that's all i want.

They can't though, yhey have to lower standards to let them in.:swear
 

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... how much negotiation should SWAT have to do? If the SWAT unit shows up at your door you can pretty much rest assured you've done something REALLY F'N bad and you most likely deserve to be beat down, f*cked up and probably killed.

Someone isn't in their happy place.
 

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Anyone who knows about tactical teams knows that there are the SWAT "Operators" and the team of negotiators. The duties are seperate and one does not do the other's job. Personality and training requirements are COMPLETELY different.... How this report could confuse the two, is beyond me!!!!

BTW, women make excellent negotiators at times. At other times, the bad guy (non gender sense :D) doesn't want to even hear a woman, so in that case, a male negotiator is appropriate....
 

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Call me crazy, but maybe negotiating is a tactic.

Nothing wrong with a chick being on the team if she can hang.

I'd think that some "outside the box" thinking would be good for a unit that seems pretty insular. Maybe some percentage of time assigned to detective or street (and visa versa).

one of my neighbors is SWAT... but he also works as a detective primarily, unless SWAT is called in. :cool:
 

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I didn't realize that negotiating was part of Special Weapons And Tactics team?


It is a part of the team. They (negotiators) actually go to school to learn better negotiating techniques. The guys I know are cut from a different pattern as opposed to the entry team guys, or snipers etc.

All this "lowering the standard" has been happening in the fire service over the years. Sad, but, a true indication of what certain priorities are.

To echo an earlier statement......................I have zero problem with having a female work in these fields.......if they can pass the non-improvised tests.

I've worked with females in various agencies that didn't quite do the job her male counterpart could do, both police and fire. Not fun, not safe for themselves or the public.

P/C is a four letter word in my house.

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Call me crazy, but maybe negotiating is a tactic.

Nothing wrong with a chick being on the team if she can hang.

I'd think that some "outside the box" thinking would be good for a unit that seems pretty insular. Maybe some percentage of time assigned to detective or street (and visa versa).

You are correct negotiations is a tactic that works many times. I think we should have the best negotiators we can find and should be selected after a difficult testing process.

All swat members come from patrol. Depending on the department it can take between 5 to 15 years to get onto swat. I know the department I work for, no one has made it to SEB with less than 7 years of patrol and younger than 31 years old. Look at the LAPD swat guy who was just murdered. He had 20 years at swat and was known as a god at LAPD swat. He was the most trained and prepaired you can get and lower the standard sounds like a receipe for tragidy(SP)
 

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Instead of holding them to a higher standard, they want to lower the standard, so WOMEN can make the team.
Look on the bright side atleast if they lower the standard, LR2 will now have a shot at making it.........
Just kidding gary relax!!!!!

What a pile of shit!
That is about all I gotta say on that subject.
 
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Look at their safety record... That should do it. For what those guys do, they are pretty much the best.:cool:
 
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Call me crazy, but maybe negotiating is a tactic.

Nothing wrong with a chick being on the team if she can hang.

I'd think that some "outside the box" thinking would be good for a unit that seems pretty insular. Maybe some percentage of time assigned to detective or street (and visa versa).

When SWAT is called in, the negotiating is pretty much over.
 

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Lowering the standards so that ANYBODY can get in is CRAP anyway you put it. Those guys, aw forget it, its bull shit IMO. Low river, calling Low river, come in please!!!!!!!!!! NSF
 

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all i can think of is cheech and chong's T.W.A.T. from around 1972.
 

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When SWAT is called in, the negotiating is pretty much over.

I would disagree...Like I said in the above post, Tac Ops is a different beast than negotiations. Certainly when negotiations fail, or there is an immediate threat, the ops boys go to work...till then, they are complimentary..
 
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