Plane crashed into house Yorba Linda

[Mototrig]

https://patch.com/california/orange-county/yorba-linda-home-bursts-flames-after-reported-plane-crash

 

[Mototrig]

Looks like a prop plane that possibly broke up before it crashed into the house on fire.

 

[MSum661]

https://mobile.twitter.com/bbdd333/status/1092182679733194753?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

 

[Q4mtxUS]

That sucks

 

[JDub24]

Holy shit!!! Talk about some unpredictable shit.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Prayers to those involved. Looks as if the motor scattered first. Horrible deal for sure..

 

[Sharp Shooter]

A friend of mine lives in the neighborhood. They're speculating that it (the plane) might have been hit by lightning.

 

[Fun Times]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=295232658015315

https://www.facebook.com/CBSLA/?__t...Y0rxrfyxDC62VTnmh89W8KY-NNSYZb1ZGKknBxBcyPVPE

 

[WhatExit?]

Small Plane Crashes Into Backyard in Yorba Linda, Setting Homes on Fire
POSTED 2:10 PM, FEBRUARY 3, 2019, BY KRISTINA BRAVO, UPDATED AT 03:04PM, FEBRUARY 3, 2019


A plane crashed into a residential area in Yorba Linda on Feb. 3, 2019.

A small aircraft crashed into the backyard of a home in Yorba Linda on Sunday afternoon, setting at least two house on fire.

The Cessna 414A had just departed the Fullerton Municipal Airport when the incident happened under unknown circumstances, Allen Kenitzer of the Federal Aviation Administration told KTLA.

“Local authorities say there are injuries on the ground,” Kenitzer said. “The number of people on board the aircraft is not presently known.”

Video from the 19000 block of Canyon Drive just before 3 p.m. shows one residence destroyed by flames.

The Orange County Fire Authority said crews were responding to two homes.

Twitter user Joshua Nelson posted a video of what appears to be burning plane parts on the street just after 2 p.m.

Check back for updates on this developing story.

 

[buck35]

I knew a fella a few years ago that crashed outside of San Diego into a home with his instructor. Sad deal and prayers for all . My cousin with thousands of hours of time went down off of northern vancouver island as well. Hate these deals and the bad memories they bring up .

 

[D19]

Crazy! I live less than a half a mile from the crash. That house/ street is on my running route. I came home from the river and wondered why there where helicopters over my neighborhood.


I can’t believe the pilot took off on this weather.

On a side note, It was beautiful at the river this morning. I snapped this off our balcony around 10am today. Was a great day for flying at the river.

 

[Gelcoater]

Crazy! I live less than a half a mile from the crash. That house/ street is on my running route. I came home from the river and wondered why there where helicopters over my neighborhood.


I can’t believe the pilot took off on this weather.

On a side note, It was beautiful at the river this morning. I snapped this off our balcony around 10am today. Was a great day for flying at the river.



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I grew up on Amberdale when I was a kid, my parents were the original buyers in 72? 73?

 

[rrrr]

Video and audio tell the story.

Looks like it came out of the clouds in a screaming dive and the pilot pulled the wings off. There's debris scattered over a large area.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Video and audio tell the story.

Looks like it came out of the clouds in a screaming dive and the pilot pulled the wings off. There's debris scattered over a large area.

He had to be somewhat level for it to skip off one roof and then land that far away after wrecking the house.

 

[rrrr]

He had to be somewhat level for it to skip off one roof and then land that far away after wrecking the house.

Nope. The fuselage, minus the wings and empennage, flat spun into that backyard. The wings landed several blocks away, and an engine bounced through a house nearby.

I've seen a video of it twirling out of the clouds towards the ground, preceded by a separated wing on fire.

There's an audio clip from a security camera that records the engines screaming as it dives, and then a huge bang and silence when the plane breaks apart.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Nope. The fuselage, minus the wings and empennage, flat spun into that backyard. The wings landed several blocks away, and an engine bounced through a house nearby.

I've seen a video of it twirling out of the clouds towards the ground, preceded by a separated wing on fire.

There's an audio clip from a security camera that records the engines screaming as it dives, and then a huge bang and silence when the plane breaks apart.

Wow, interesting, so it was apart before impact, crazy.

 

[rrrr]

Now being announced four people on the ground died. Dammit.

https://ktla.com/2019/02/03/crews-r...ll-plane-crash/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Audio from a security camera. By listening to the engines you can hear the plane diving, gaining speed, then there's a Doppler shift as the pilot tries to pull out of the dive, the plane breaks up with a huge bang, then silence.

Pretty sobering stuff.

 

[brianwhiteboy]

Now being announced four people on the ground died. Dammit.

https://ktla.com/2019/02/03/crews-r...ll-plane-crash/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Audio from a security camera. By listening to the engines you can hear the plane diving, gaining speed, then there's a Doppler shift as the pilot tries to pull out of the dive, the plane breaks up with a huge bang, then silence.

Pretty sobering stuff.

That’s eerie sounding

 

[aka619er]

With the pics of the sky conditions and the sound of the aircraft, I'm going to keyboard warrior it and guess it was a loss of spatial orientation in IMC. Whether cause by a dry rotted vacuum pump causing partial panel loss or no IFR training. Eerie videos and a sad situation for all those involved.

 

[coolchange]

God dammit. I knew I shouldn't have listened to that.
Not a pilot.
My first memories were of an airplane, grew up with it all my life.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Not a pilot, don't even play one on TV. Motors sounded labored, like fighting a head wind. My question to people with wings: Does air density play a role in flight characteristics? Does rain and heavy moisture react like flying through jello?

If people fly, death is kind of a risk. We weren't born with wings. Just like most other motor sports, we do things we weren't designed to do. I really feel bad for the people in the house...probably getting ready to watch a football game, or just relaxing in their home. Random action, changing any semblance of normality for quite some time.

 

[Rvrluvr]

Crazy! I live less than a half a mile from the crash. That house/ street is on my running route. I came home from the river and wondered why there where helicopters over my neighborhood.


I can’t believe the pilot took off on this weather.

On a side note, It was beautiful at the river this morning. I snapped this off our balcony around 10am today. Was a great day for flying at the river.



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Where is this pic?

 

[D19]

Where is this pic?

Sun Valley Airport In Fort Mohave AZ.

That picture is of our neighbor across the street going for a quick flight with his Granddaughter.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Video and audio tell the story.

Looks like it came out of the clouds in a screaming dive and the pilot pulled the wings off. There's debris scattered over a large area.

So it’s possible to pull the wings off so to speak? Scenario, He comes out of the clouds realizes he’s heading for the ground, pins it and try’s to pull up so hard that the forces on the plane cause it to structurally fail?

 

[monkeyswrench]

In talking with a flight student out here from Embry Riddle, he had said there were different G ratings for the planes in the aerobatics course. ( Yes, they have student pilot aerobatics) So maybe structural integrity is the key factor?

 

[RiverDave]

Crazy! I live less than a half a mile from the crash. That house/ street is on my running route. I came home from the river and wondered why there where helicopters over my neighborhood.


I can’t believe the pilot took off on this weather.

On a side note, It was beautiful at the river this morning. I snapped this off our balcony around 10am today. Was a great day for flying at the river.



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You have a house in a fly in community or something? What am I missing here?

 

[RiverDave]

Video and audio tell the story.

Looks like it came out of the clouds in a screaming dive and the pilot pulled the wings off. There's debris scattered over a large area.

I didn’t even know that was possible?? You’d think the wings would be engineered to the point where you could pull out of a dive at terminal velocity.

 

[D19]

You have a house in a fly in community or something? What am I missing here?

You’re not missing anything.

We land then taxi on over to the house/hanger. If you look closely in the first picture, you can see taxi lights in front of the house. Most houses have them. Planes have right of way on streets

Chino Airport to river house in about 1 hour.

 

[aka619er]

I've read of it happening multiple times. Always seem to be same circumstances. Pilot flying in bad weather with aircraft issues. Trying to avoid IMC. Aircraft begins rapid decent and breaks apart.

 

[nowski]

I saw the plane crash and footage on the news last night, sad deal. Thoughts and Prayers to all involved...

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

And there’s always the possibility of medical, pilot slumps over and it goes into a screaming dive and comes apart.

 

[boatpi]

I would tend to agree with some opinions here at pilot lost orientation or they had a catastrophic medical event

 

[Taboma]

You’re not missing anything.

We land then taxi on over to the house/hanger. If you look closely in the first picture, you can see taxi lights in front of the house. Most houses have them. Planes have right of way on streets

Chino Airport to river house in about 1 hour.

That's really cool, I though that previously posted pic was a photochop Until I saw the overhead view !!

 

[RiverDave]

You’re not missing anything.

We land then taxi on over to the house/hanger. If you look closely in the first picture, you can see taxi lights in front of the house. Most houses have them. Planes have right of way on streets

Chino Airport to river house in about 1 hour.

Had no idea you were a pilot..

 

[Sleek-Jet]

I didn’t even know that was possible?? You’d think the wings would be engineered to the point where you could pull out of a dive at terminal velocity.

It is usually the tail that fails first. Followed by the wings from the sudden pitch forces. Normal category airplanes like a 414 are certified up to 3.5 g plus 150%.

It isn't hard at redline or higher airspeed to cause a structural overload.

These types of events are rare with twins, they tend to have redundant systems help prevent these types of loss-of-controll accidents.

 

[DaveH]

So it’s possible to pull the wings off so to speak? Scenario, He comes out of the clouds realizes he’s heading for the ground, pins it and try’s to pull up so hard that the forces on the plane cause it to structurally fail?

absolutely. all aircraft have multiple "speed Limits" with the biggest being VNE (velocity to never exceed) and you can rip the wings off.

a few years ago this happened to a guy in a glider over Reno. he was flying along and cloud formed around him completely obscuring his visibility. Gliders do not have artificial horizons and once his orientation was lost.....he put it into a spin that produced enough airspeed and G's that it literally snapped the wings off it. the pilot was able to bail out and was wearing a chute (most serious glider pilots wear chutes) he and the craft landed in downtown Reno and lived to tell about it.

it seems obvious that the weather played a roll in this.....not knowing if the pilot was IFR rated or if there was some sort of instrumentation failure....seems very reasonable to assume he lost orientation and put it into a dive till it broke apart.

as for the other question about moisture affecting the aerodynamics......ABSOLUTLELY...…..water on the wings disturbs airflow so the wing creates "less" lift. its similar to fly a craft that is heavily loaded...it just doesn't "perform" as good as compared to being in dryer air.

 

[Q4mtxUS]

Not a pilot, don't even play one on TV. Motors sounded labored, like fighting a head wind. My question to people with wings: Does air density play a role in flight characteristics? Does rain and heavy moisture react like flying through jello?

If people fly, death is kind of a risk. We weren't born with wings. Just like most other motor sports, we do things we weren't designed to do. I really feel bad for the people in the house...probably getting ready to watch a football game, or just relaxing in their home. Random action, changing any semblance of normality for quite some time.

Yes, air density plays a role in flight characteristics and yes, rain (heavy moisture) will also have an effect but this paticular aircraft, a cessna 414, is a very good aircraft with all weather capability and doubtful these were the primary contributing factor(s). Owners of these aircraft wish for more payload and just a wee bit more power. With full fuel, you can probably carry 3 people (170 pounders) and 1 set of golf culbs to share if you wanna go 900 plus nautical miles. All in all though, owners love their flying qualities and have only a few niggles, like landing gear issues to name just one but again, great airplane...

....unless you overstress it. The sound of the enigines winding up is indicating the airplane was in a dive and the props were overspeeding. Something mechanical could have "failed" in this case.

prayers to all..

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Pilot was 75, that may figure into things.

 

[MSum661]

One of the motors wizzzzzin by like a missle......
You can catch it full screen.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

One of the motors wizzzzzin by like a missle......
You can catch it full screen.

that is wild, that thing was ripping, then a few seconds later a large chunk comes down

 

[DaveH]

Pilot was 75, that may figure into things.

I agree although to maintain a license he had to have physicals every year. and any little hiccup in your medical and they yank your cert.

 

[Classic Daycruiser]

I looked up the tail #, and it seems the plane flew into Fullerton a couple weeks ago, under IFR conditions.

Registration reads " REGISTRATION PENDING "

It could be new owner/operator error, but normally you have to be a high time experienced pilot to get insurance on a plane 8 seats.

 

[rrrr]

It is usually the tail that fails first. Followed by the wings from the sudden pitch forces. Normal category airplanes like a 414 are certified up to 3.5 g plus 150%.

It isn't hard at redline or higher airspeed to cause a structural overload.

These types of events are rare with twins, they tend to have redundant systems help prevent these types of loss-of-controll accidents.

Although a twin has dual vacuum systems feeding gyro instruments, after a pilot loses control in instrument conditions, there's nothing in a twin compared to a single that'll fix that.

LOC accidents in twins happen all the time. All these I have listed occured in instrument conditions with a loss of control and crash.

Christmas Day:

Crashed on approach to Sioux City.

https://www.argusleader.com/story/n...ified-sioux-falls-philanthropists/2417537002/

Medevac crash in November:

The aircraft broke up shortly after takeoff in an identical fashion to yesterday's crash. This is what was left of the cockpit and nose section when it came out of the clouds.

https://www.apnews.com/59767f74a13142ea9e44ad0c01966c32

Christmas Eve 2017:

Crashed on takeoff in zero visibility fog conditions. Legal to do for general aviation (but not for airline/transport aircraft) but stupid IMO. They didn't even make it off the airport property before crashing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-plane-crash-kills-family-christmas-eve-trip-n832476

 

[rrrr]

So it’s possible to pull the wings off so to speak? Scenario, He comes out of the clouds realizes he’s heading for the ground, pins it and try’s to pull up so hard that the forces on the plane cause it to structurally fail?

Yessir. It happens all the time.

Take a look at the medevac aircraft I posted above. That was a Cessna 421, almost identical to the 414A that crashed yesterday. It came down in pieces.

 

[rrrr]

I agree although to maintain a license he had to have physicals every year. and any little hiccup in your medical and they yank your cert.

Every year is just for 1st and 2nd class medicals, which are required for airline and certain other pilots. Every two years for a 3rd class medical if the pilot is over forty. The 3rd class is almost always what a general aviation pilot carries.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Every year is just for 1st and 2nd class medicals, which are required for airline and commercial pilots. Every two years for a 3rd class medical if the pilot is over forty. The 3rd class is almost always what a general aviation pilot carries.

I read he held a commercial license.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

Although a twin has dual vacuum systems feeding gyro instruments, after a pilot loses control in instrument conditions, there's nothing in a twin compared to a single that'll fix that.

LOC accidents in twins happen all the time. All these I have listed occured in instrument conditions with a loss of control and crash.

Christmas Day:

Crashed on approach to Sioux City.

https://www.argusleader.com/story/n...ified-sioux-falls-philanthropists/2417537002/

Medevac crash in November:

The aircraft broke up shortly after takeoff in an identical fashion to yesterday's crash. This is what was left of the cockpit and nose section when it came out of the clouds.

https://www.apnews.com/59767f74a13142ea9e44ad0c01966c32

Christmas Eve 2017:

Crashed on takeoff in zero visibility fog conditions. Legal to do for general aviation (but not for airline/transport aircraft) but stupid IMO. They didn't even make it off the airport property before crashing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-plane-crash-kills-family-christmas-eve-trip-n832476

I wouldn't say it happens "all of the time" with twins. At least not because of disorientation on the pilots part. The usual mode for loss of control in a piston twins is after an engine failure, not instruments failures. Though there have been some noteable wrecks, like Senator Hienz when his son lost control after a vacuum system failure and the Oklahoma basketball team in Colorado.

The second accident posted was flown into the ground under control, all be it in instrument conditions.

Most of the time if a twin comes apart it is due to punching into a thunderstorm or such.

The Yorba Linda accident (literally) sounds like a classic graveyard spiral, I maintain such accidents are outliers when it come to twins versus single engine airplanes.

 

[coz]

Wow! I know that house and street, my in-laws lived 4 doors down for 35+ years. So sad.

 

[rrrr]

I wouldn't say it happens "all of the time" with twins. At least not because of disorientation on the pilots part. The usual mode for loss of control in a piston twins is after an engine failure, not instruments failures. Though there have been some noteable wrecks, like Senator Hienz when his son lost control after a vacuum system failure and the Oklahoma basketball team in Colorado.

The second accident poated was flown into the ground under control, all be it in instrument conditions.

Most of the time if a twin comes apart it is due to punching into a thunderstorm or such.

The Yorba Linda accident (literally) sounds like a classic graveyard spiral, I maintain such accidents are outliers when it come to twins versus single engine airplanes.

I suppose you're correct. I can think of two breakups that happened in advanced singles. One was a PC-12 in Florida thunderstorms, the other a TBM-700 in New Jersey that flew into extreme icing conditions. Both broke up in the air.

 

[DaveH]

one of the more notable crashes involving pilot disorientation was Kennedy who flew into IFR conditions and put it into the ocean although evidence suggest the plane didn't break apart before hitting the water.

also brings up the old joke what do the Kennedys miss the most about Martha's Vineyard? the runway.