Peoples Republic of Santa Monica

[NicPaus]

Oh yah, it’s going to be terrible. With this new job, I could afford the beach cities, but I can’t compromise my family’s safety for a shorter drive. I’m also big on 2A and last I heard, I can’t get my CCW in LA County.

The Beach cities are safe. But affordable depends on income. Manhattan Beach 3-4 million. Beach area of Torrance is crazy money these days. I lived there until last year. TPD doesn't fuck around. We got a few that post on here. I know quite a few. Was at a party other night with one of them.

My Cousin got his CCW easily. I leave my Guns at home. No reason to carry in the Southbay.

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

The Beach cities are safe. But affordable depends on income. Manhattan Beach 3-4 million. Beach area of Torrance is crazy money these days. I lived there until last year. TPD doesn't fuck around. We got a few that post on here. I know quite a few. Was at a party other night with one of them.

My Cousin got his CCW easily. I leave my Guns at home. No reason to carry in the Southbay.

Thanks for the heads up. We are flying in tomorrow for some recon. Just checked with my buddy at OCSD and it sounds like you’re correct. LASD is issuing again. We’ll be renting for a bit to confirm the area and wait for the sale of the house. “If I take the job”

 

[Willie B]

For those asking how to solve:

I’ve preached this before but there are answers.

First, you have to understand the difference between vagrancy and homelessness. Vagrancy are service resistive individuals usually drug addicts, alcoholics and / or mentally ill. These are the dirty, anti social problem children. Then there’s homelessness that is usually transitional via loss of job, major medical issue, finance issues, etc. these folks do have resources to get off the streets. They just need to know how to access services.

Second, you must understand that bills passed such as AB109 (“non violent offender” early release program, which has a 90% recidivism rate), prop47 (which made possession of narcotics a misdemeanor cite and release offense and raised the minimum of petty theft from $400 to $950) and prop 57 which doubled down on prop 47 and even prop 36 which pushes narcotics offenders towards rehab (good in theory but allows for multiple chances / violations with little consequences) have helped to explode the vagrancy population.

So, how do you fix this? Throwing money blindly at it, doesn’t help. But true repair will cost money.

1) AB109 needs to be revoked. Not amended. Shit canned. The reason it and prop 47 was established was based on over crowding prison lawsuits. Gov brown passed these bills to avoid having to spend billions to build more prisons. But AB109 is a complete failure. When it was passed, prisoners that would usually be released on state parole were pushed to local probation who were ALREADY understaffed. So, the over-site is nil.

2) prop 47 and 57 need to be amended. Mainly bring back 666pc which made it a felony 3rd and any further petty theft / shoplift conviction.

3) prop 36 needs to be amended as well. More strict guidelines and oversight on diversion / drug counseling, specifically if one chooses not to go along with the program they get remanded and get 90 days in jail (dry out).

4) if drug diversion with prop 36 and early release with prop47 is to run successfully the infrastructure needs to be built up. Aka, hire a LOT more social workers and case managers to work with those struggling with addiction to be guided towards successful recovery - counseling , services, etc.

5) build more state hospitals with correct oversight. Not like the 50’s through the 80’s where people were left to rot. Proper care for the mentally ill that are unable to care for themselves.

So, basically to solve the problem you get services to get those that want to get back on their feet the services they need. Not a hand out, a hand up. If you’re a vagrant and you refuse to take services and you commit crimes, you will be put into custody. If you’re are out of your mind and can’t care for yourself whether from birth defect or drug abuse, you go to state hospital mental health facility. And everything in between has the people to provide proper oversight and the backbone to hold people that don’t go along with the program (I.e. want to steal shit, want to be a drug addict, want to live in our parks and sidewalks and river bottoms) get held accountable for the laws they break.

Very simple really. Starts with accountability and enforcing the laws already on the books.

… That was superbly thought out and written…Thanks… was aware of some of it, but not all of it…

 

[NicPaus]

Thanks for the heads up. We are flying in tomorrow for some recon. Just checked with my buddy at OCSD and it sounds like you’re correct. LASD is issuing again. We’ll be renting for a bit to confirm the area and wait for the sale of the house. “If I take the job”

If you don't know the area just ask. You need a realtor I have worked with the same one for 20 years now. People talk shit about CA. But there is a reason the houses are so expensive here.

 

[caribbean20]

Thanks for the heads up. We are flying in tomorrow for some recon. Just checked with my buddy at OCSD and it sounds like you’re correct. LASD is issuing again. We’ll be renting for a bit to confirm the area and wait for the sale of the house. “If I take the job”

Seconding what NicPaus said, we lived and raised a family in Manhattan Beach, and still own a joint in Hermosa Beach. I wouldn’t be too concerned about your family’s security. The police departments are fully staffed, effective and everyone knows it.

Furthermore, the schools in Manhattan Beach and Hermosa Beach are great (I don’t know much about the other Beach Cities schools). Any case, good luck on your search, it is an exciting time in your life.

 

[HALLETT BOY]

Politicians don’t spend money to fix problems, they spend money to enrich their friends and campaign donors. And that’s it.

Solving problems hasn’t been their job for decades now.

A politician’s only “ job “ once he’s elected or appointed , is how to stay in office and enrich himself . Serving the public is waaay down the list , in fact to him , you serve him .

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

A politician’s only “ job “ once he’s elected or appointed , is how to stay in office and enrich himself . Serving the public is waaay down the list , in fact to him , you serve him .

Taxpayers do serve politicians, they have their hands in our pockets and stealing all our money for themselves and their exorbitant salaries and perks.

 

[whiteworks]

Went to a nice lunch in Santa Monica at Sol Agave last week. All in all it’s not nearly as bad as that video makes it out to be, however they do not prescribe to the boot to the head theory for the vagrants.

The money that’s spent on homeless stuff could easily solve the issue of directed correctly, however then all the people behind the business of solving homelessness would be out of a job.

I like that three strikes deal, send them all out to salton sea and put a big wall around it, think escape from New York, drop off lots of food and dope and let them self sort, also sterilize them on the way in. Real simple stuff, be good or be gone.

My buddy is from Iran, he told me back in the 80’s the powers that be offered a free rehab/immunity to drug addicts, it worked for a bit and then it all fell apart and massive relapses occurred. So they once again offered the same deal, only the second time they put them on a boat and threw them all overboard in the mediteranian sea. He said body were washing up all over the place.

 

[HNL2LHC]

Some of the values there on the Promenade have been astronomical over the last decade. Saw cap rates less than 2%. Have a couple properties that just lost their tenants and brought in new ones at 60% of what the previous lease rates were.

The mall property on the south end of the Promenade was just foreclosed on and went back to the bank a couple months ago. This was from April when I sent it to my customer:
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That was one of our go to malls. There was a women‘s clothing store the wife enjoyed. Really the only place that she spent $$$ on clothes adn I was good with that as she is not a spender and deserves a treat from time to time. We’d hit the mall on our arrival to the mainland. Over the decade that we were there I could see the determination of the area and stores becoming vacant. Sadly this does not surprise me as it is happening more and more.

 

[bonesfab]

Send them out cal city. There are already roads and plots for their tent or motor home. Better yet offer free towing for them. Then erect a fence to keep them out there.

 

[pixrthis]

Send them out cal city. There are already roads and plots for their tent or motor home. Better yet offer free towing for them. Then erect a fence to keep them out there.

Definitely don’t send more homeless to Cal City, the amount of trash blowing across the desert because of these assholes is disgusting. Having been raised in the desert and being taught to leave it cleaner than you found it makes me want to blow up every squatter camp I see out there. Let the libs in the beach cities who vote for soft on crime policies deal with the shit they’re creating.

 

[mash on it]

Santa Monica

My pops had radiation therapy. Or was it chemotherapy?
1996 ish.
I was just a kid then.
Pops enjoyed stay, as far as I know.
Rest easy pops.

Dan'l

 

[MeCasa16]

I’m sure this was posted in the past, but it was really well done and addresses some of the issues. A news station up here in Seattle did it. It has some good ideas for solutions.

I also 100% second what @Tank said. Now you just need to put to animation and explain in in a YouTube video that goes Viral. You’ll be governor before you know it!

 

[Mandelon]

My plan is to send these poor folks to a rehab village. It would be located on a large tract of land in central Mexico or further south. Inexpensive housing, cheap care, nurses and doctors are way cheaper down there. La Puebla de Ayuda. The Village of Help. Get em off drugs, keep em there if they are crazy, and if they escape...oh well.

 

[TimeBandit]

Gav has had enuf:

 

[Tank]

I’m sure this was posted in the past, but it was really well done and addresses some of the issues. A news station up here in Seattle did it. It has some good ideas for solutions.

I also 100% second what @Tank said. Now you just need to put to animation and explain in in a YouTube video that goes Viral. You’ll be governor before you know it!

The end of that video is what’s important. The city back east that has introduced an effective plan to get in front of the problem. Their plan starts on the street and manages cases through custody, into rehabs into services. Setting people up for success, not failure.

 

[TPC]

Newsom will fake it somehow.

 

[MeCasa16]

The end of that video is what’s important. The city back east that has introduced an effective plan to get in front of the problem. Their plan starts on the street and manages cases through custody, into rehabs into services. Setting people up for success, not failure.

I totally agree. You have to follow through all the way through recovery..

 

[LazyLavey]

President….i mean Governor Screwsome has began his quest to fight the unhoused problem

Newsom Orders California Officials to Remove Homeless Encampments

The directive from Gov. Gavin Newsom is the nation’s most sweeping response to a Supreme Court decision last month that gave local leaders greater authority to remove homeless campers.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Tank]

Newsom will fake it somehow.

He's faked it so far. Buying over 100 RV's for homeless in LA. (abandoned project after they were purchased) Promising mini homes to be built asap in 2023 (haven't been built) and dumping millions and millions of tax dollars into a black hole that is "the homeless problem".

it's not a homeless problem. It's a vagrancy problem lead by service resistant drug addicts and mentally ill subjects.

Newsom has done ZERO to help this problem.

 

[Willie B]

He's faked it so far. Buying over 100 RV's for homeless in LA. (abandoned project after they were purchased) Promising mini homes to be built asap in 2023 (haven't been built) and dumping millions and millions of tax dollars into a black hole that is "the homeless problem".

it's not a homeless problem. It's a vagrancy problem lead by service resistant drug addicts and mentally ill subjects.

Newsom has done ZERO to help this problem.

… He really authorized the purchase of 100 RVs… I knew this guy was a screwball dumb fuck but not that dumb… And these RVs were supposed to dump their black water tanks where???… And who was going to do the maintenance on these RVs?..; Unbelievable???… I guess the Gov got his cut and went out looking for hookers and blow

 

[4Waters]

SM is such a nice place, with the exception of all the homeless. It’s too bad…

I’m considering a job offer in Marina Del Ray and the main things giving me pause are the crime and homeless issues. I have ZERO interest in living in LA County because of these issues and lack of a spine by the prosecutors, so I’ll have to commute from OC a couple times a week.

Why don't you look into Ventura County, especially if you only have to commute a couple times a week.

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

Why don't you look into Ventura County, especially if you only have to commute a couple times a week.

90% of our friends and family are in OC with the remaining 10% in San Diego. Ventura looks nice, but I don’t see us going north of MDR. Everything we know, before TX, is Orange County, so even LA is a stretch for us.

 

[4Waters]

90% of our friends and family are in OC with the remaining 10% in San Diego. Ventura looks nice, but I don’t see us going north of MDR. Everything we know, before TX, is Orange County, so even LA is a stretch for us.

Sorry you have to leave free America and come to occupied America. Is it going to be temporary?

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

Sorry you have to leave free America and come to occupied America. Is it going to be temporary?

Who knows what the future holds. End goal is summer in CA and a resident in a free state. More likely Utah in the mountains vs. TX due to the outdoor activities. Life throws yah curveballs sometimes, just gotta make the best of it and adapt.

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

MDR turned out to be very nice…as long as you’re close to the marina. The closer you get to Venice, the worse it gets. The main street down to Venice still has junk RVs on it, but not as bad as it was a few years ago. Trying to find a townhouse, condo, or single family home sub $7k/mo. is going to be tough. Lots of nice apartments, but I’d rather not do that. We’ll see what we can find.

Playa Vista, not my scene nor was Hermosa.

Manhattan Beach reminds me a lot of Laguna Beach. Very cool, but crazy expensive. CDM prices, but not as nice IMO. It’s an option.

Also checked out Seal Beach near Main St. which we liked, Rossmoor, which may be a little too sleepy, but was very nice, and gated communities in HB by dog beach, which were awesome and close to our friends in HB and family in GG and Newport.

Lots of options, but MDR and Manhattan Beach are legit options if I don’t want to waste a lot of time driving. Thanks for the suggestions.