The “well planned” shutdowns are why CA gas prices are higher than other states? Where does our gas come from?
Gasoline in California, is supplied by California Refineries, in fact it has it's own blend due to shitty California policies. Part of the reason that Cali gas is more expensive is due to the added cost to manufacture this gasoline. California Refineries, also supply fuel to AZ and NV.
That's why I'm asking. No way a handful of refineries in this state alone can supply enough gas for all the vehicles in CA. There has to be fuel trucked in. Gas is only a little less than half of a barrel of crude.
California does still have a bit of refinining horsepower, but during peak demand, it needs outside fuel brought in. Peak demand occurs during Summer, and Summer for EPA reasons requires a different "blend" in California in than other states. Hence the perfect storm for crazy pricing. Imagine a refinery in New Orleans being asked to do a separate recipe purely for california and then ship it.
) Refining becomes sexy or unsexy depending on politics and economics, and all the majors go from either buying or selling.
We do not ship out partially refined crude at all, we have, but seldom do, ship out gas oil via ships to our Nor Cal refinery.
We converted one of our units to produce diesel from Soy Bean, it cost us millions of dollars, we ran if for a year, then converted it back over, the profit margins weren't there and we were losing money. But.................the CO2, and other credits offset all of the costs.
Gasoline consumption is going to dwindle whether you like it or not." Based on trends of gasoline consumption in California, we are changing our future strategies to stay competitive as a business as we see demand dwindling with the expansion of Hybrids and Electric vehicles."
I see this statement as a warning shot over the bow for all power boaters in general, but in particular, performance boats that run on gasoline.
Boaters promoting EV's on a performance boating enthusiasts website and by their own voluntary EV purchases, are participating in their own "Death by 1,000 Cuts" eventual demise.
I'm an old boater from a boating family. I've enjoyed all told, over 70 years of all types of boating, for me it matters little.
For many of you, however, it should.
Word, gotcha, Operators have training in our OTS systems, the operator simulators, if you have any handheld devices for your inspections with maintenance specs, or inputs, that might be us as well.
We use iPads, but they run our in house built inspection applications, other than that, it's over my head.Word, gotcha, Operators have training in our OTS systems, the operator simulators, if you have any handheld devices for your inspections with maintenance specs, or inputs, that might be us as well.
I'd say that's certainly an eventuality.
Does the industry have the capacity to store the “additional reserves” that CA is requiring?
And you thought wake boats were bad
HELL NO WE DON'T, and it's going to cost a large fortune to build it, not including the realestate to support those tanks.
What parts of AZ? Cause I know there is a large pipeline in Tucson that brings in fuels from Texas and is trucked out from there.
I'm not really sure, but I would guess close to our borders.
Didn't think you were. I was told the pipeline in Tucson supplies most of AZ so I was really just curious.
My guess is it does in fact supply most of, if not all, unless there is a surplus in CA, or a shortage somewhere else.
It can be in your car within 3-4 hours actually, back in the day before lots of layers of protection were added, seen off test gas & diesel be in the station and going in vehicles before the problem was caught.
Pretty sure Kinder Morgan. Got a few buddies that work there. One of them told me how a simple mistake can mix jet fuel with others and be a expensive mistake. Like millions.
No I use to work for Marathon. Last year I quit to become a project manager for a company that plans the decon for the units for their shutdowns. And whoever it was that said these are planned years in advanced was correct. I was planning a decon for a unit at P66. Recently they said they were going to delay it a year and a half. Now I know why they did. I feel bad for all those guys there. Has to be a scary thing.
That’s what i figured. Typical CA.gov decision. Pass a new law to save money that will actually add a ton of cost. It’s insane. The new legislation on PFAS will add significant cost and hurt product durability in a ton of products. The new “low carbon” gas regs CARB is going to pass post election will be brutal.
What company do you work for.
He can answer. But my Brother also works there. He is on the way here now. I will ask how he got the days off. Even with 20 years seniority. If it's a shutdown He is working everyday. I think 1 day off mandatory like every 2 weeks or so.
Storage is a shit ton of money. The trading game around moving crude and products around the world is all small margins, but huge profits because of volume. When things get funny, such as finished product not flowing out the other side at same rate as its coming in, and keep in mind this is a continuous distillation process, things get very expensive, very fast. Sometimes you will even see tankers moored out off the coast known as offsite storage, which costs the refiners a shit ton, per day, until they can get that load offloaded and running through.
Yea now adays is 14 on 1 off on a TA with the fatigue policies , back in the day the most I worked on a TA was 47 days straight, with plenty of those 16's.
NO WAY, there are no direct pipelines from the Refinery to the gas stations, they go to a terminal first, then get trucked to the gas station tanks. This was purely a coincidence.
Someone up above nailed it, down to the location.
I'm a supervisor, so my hours aren't as extreme as they used to be, but I just finished 1 month of 13 on, 1 off, but I only worked 10 hr shifts, not 12's.
Yes, there are no pipelines that go to a station, my response was to the refineries don't supply California remark. I been in the biz 36 years in basically the shipping, receiving and blending of gas, dsl and jet. Hell i have seen colored jet to go LAX(direct pipeline) back when they use to dye Gasoline red, blue and purple.
Nic your brother work at the Isomax? I was there for the decon of it.
No he is in the crude unit. He said Isomax is on the current shutdown so it doesn't affect him.
Whats your brothers name? PM? The LSFO is part of my responsibility, and also were I came up as an Operator.
