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Warning: The words written in this post were done using a talk to text app which sometimes sucks at capitalization and punctuation and I blah blah blah run-ons.
Some people asked to see more pics of a little desert compound we are setting up. This is not, nor will it be anything nearly as awesome as the "Off the Grid" thread on here, It's just our little offroad heaven. 4 friends who grew up together and our families.
Start with worthless desert land that goes for $500-$1500/acre. The San Bernardino Tax auction is set-up like ebay and opens around this time every year. Bigger parcels are cheaper per/acre. Ours is 40 acre lot at the end of a un-maintained county road with 1 side bordering open BLM land. We bought our land in 2014.
In San Bernardino County, you can go in to the zoning department, show them a trail on Google maps around your property and you can name that Street for around 50 bucks. Then, then give you an address. The name just cannot be a proper name or a street name used anywhere else in the county.
I rented a front loader with a scraper bucket (450/day delivered with gas) and graded roads around our land. We have a 30' setback on all sides so I ran that far off the property lines per a gps plot map app. There were a few USGS brass monuments from the 50's I found that were within 10-15ft
Everything we graded became super soft. There was 1 hard packed ATV trail that ran across the property and that was the only place to really drive trailers in and around and park them without burying some of the trucks, mo-ho's etc.. I had a 50x50 chanin link "storage pen" installed with 2 gates and I left a toyhauler (empty) out there for the next year so I could trailer out my jeep + kids toys. No issues.
Randomly I went to a construction auction right after we bought this place and got a crazy deal on a few hundred 4"x6"x16' fire treated lumber with no clue what I was going to do with them so I dropped them in the pen along with a free semi truck load of old scaffolding boards hooked up by an RDP member Dylan "whiteworks"- I figured it was going to be 20 years of firewood and we only paid $400 to the semi driver- more on that later
We figured out quick that the bobcat rentals were not worth the $ there
After pricing much bigger equipment beyond the local rental stuff to do grading work, the $9-1200 trucking fees each way + rental + operator for a day wasn't an option. For a few months 2 years ago, Caltrans was doing a highway improvement project along the 247. Short story is that Caltrans uses subcontracted machines and drivers. I contacted the company and got a dozer out to the property at an hourly rate with driver with no trucking fees. The operator wasn't that great but was able to clear and berm up about 4 acres (1/10 of the property) in a day which worked good for our 4 families and friends to camp on.
The Dozer made a few big sand berms at different distances. It was a good place to set all of these nice pumpkins. Pew-pew-pew-pew
Also got one of these, it sure beats the hand thrower
An especially rainy season and LOTS of driving circles with trucks really helped pack things down in the compound. We have still managed to bury the Yucca Rentals delivery truck, container delivery truck, a crane truck and a few 4x4 trucks with trailers.
Fast forward, over the next 2 years.
We bought a 2500 gallon plastic water tank which can be filled up by local company with potable water for 100 bucks. Just the tank head pressure will run a hose to rv's and fill up tanks with no pump. 2500gal would last us in all of our trailers almost all season. County septic tank system and permits wasn't hard to do. We have thought about a well but the cost would be around $15,000. Even split 4 ways between partners, water tank fillups for $100 is better for the budget.
Edison told us that is we put in the poles, they will run the wire and give us a temp-pole. We are about 20+ poles away. ($30kish that can be split by neighbors and if any other neighbors want to connect in the next 10 years, they pay equally Example: Neighbor A & B get power for $30k and spend $15k each, Neighbor C will have to pay $10k to connect and A & B will each get $5k back
Most families who go to the desert have the same issue as us:
There are adult off-road toys and kids off-road toys + a shitton of stuff to go camping and it won't all fit in a toyhauler.
A 45' "High Cube" is bigger than any normal RV trailer and can be built-out cheaper than most new RV or toy haulers. We can all build tiny homes and just tow all of the toys out on open or enclosed trailers big enough to carry (In our case: a 4 seat can-am or a Jeep, 2 kids quads, 1 kids dirtbike and a RZR170)
First we figured out the layout we wanted for the containers and went with a "circle the wagons" approach. We had 2x2x2 footings poured for the single containers and 3x3x3 footings for the 2 story containers. This was mainly to keep them level over time. Some people drop them directly on sand, some people use railroad ties.
You pick out your containers out in Long Beach. All of the sales yards are the same and close to the same pricing. It's all about the condition you get them in and you can inspect them before purchase. The guys running the gigantic forklifts got pissy every time I said "let's just look through one more stack" These containers were graded as WWT which is wind and watertight. I was told they are between 6 and 10 years old.
They were all $3250 delivered and dropped on the property. Most "high-cube" containers (9.5'tall) are 40'. We searched and waited for good high-cube 45's. A 45' Container is the biggest that can be delivered on a drop trailer.
More later
Some people asked to see more pics of a little desert compound we are setting up. This is not, nor will it be anything nearly as awesome as the "Off the Grid" thread on here, It's just our little offroad heaven. 4 friends who grew up together and our families.
Start with worthless desert land that goes for $500-$1500/acre. The San Bernardino Tax auction is set-up like ebay and opens around this time every year. Bigger parcels are cheaper per/acre. Ours is 40 acre lot at the end of a un-maintained county road with 1 side bordering open BLM land. We bought our land in 2014.
In San Bernardino County, you can go in to the zoning department, show them a trail on Google maps around your property and you can name that Street for around 50 bucks. Then, then give you an address. The name just cannot be a proper name or a street name used anywhere else in the county.
I rented a front loader with a scraper bucket (450/day delivered with gas) and graded roads around our land. We have a 30' setback on all sides so I ran that far off the property lines per a gps plot map app. There were a few USGS brass monuments from the 50's I found that were within 10-15ft
Everything we graded became super soft. There was 1 hard packed ATV trail that ran across the property and that was the only place to really drive trailers in and around and park them without burying some of the trucks, mo-ho's etc.. I had a 50x50 chanin link "storage pen" installed with 2 gates and I left a toyhauler (empty) out there for the next year so I could trailer out my jeep + kids toys. No issues.
Randomly I went to a construction auction right after we bought this place and got a crazy deal on a few hundred 4"x6"x16' fire treated lumber with no clue what I was going to do with them so I dropped them in the pen along with a free semi truck load of old scaffolding boards hooked up by an RDP member Dylan "whiteworks"- I figured it was going to be 20 years of firewood and we only paid $400 to the semi driver- more on that later
We figured out quick that the bobcat rentals were not worth the $ there
After pricing much bigger equipment beyond the local rental stuff to do grading work, the $9-1200 trucking fees each way + rental + operator for a day wasn't an option. For a few months 2 years ago, Caltrans was doing a highway improvement project along the 247. Short story is that Caltrans uses subcontracted machines and drivers. I contacted the company and got a dozer out to the property at an hourly rate with driver with no trucking fees. The operator wasn't that great but was able to clear and berm up about 4 acres (1/10 of the property) in a day which worked good for our 4 families and friends to camp on.
The Dozer made a few big sand berms at different distances. It was a good place to set all of these nice pumpkins. Pew-pew-pew-pew
Also got one of these, it sure beats the hand thrower
An especially rainy season and LOTS of driving circles with trucks really helped pack things down in the compound. We have still managed to bury the Yucca Rentals delivery truck, container delivery truck, a crane truck and a few 4x4 trucks with trailers.
Fast forward, over the next 2 years.
We bought a 2500 gallon plastic water tank which can be filled up by local company with potable water for 100 bucks. Just the tank head pressure will run a hose to rv's and fill up tanks with no pump. 2500gal would last us in all of our trailers almost all season. County septic tank system and permits wasn't hard to do. We have thought about a well but the cost would be around $15,000. Even split 4 ways between partners, water tank fillups for $100 is better for the budget.
Edison told us that is we put in the poles, they will run the wire and give us a temp-pole. We are about 20+ poles away. ($30kish that can be split by neighbors and if any other neighbors want to connect in the next 10 years, they pay equally Example: Neighbor A & B get power for $30k and spend $15k each, Neighbor C will have to pay $10k to connect and A & B will each get $5k back
Most families who go to the desert have the same issue as us:
There are adult off-road toys and kids off-road toys + a shitton of stuff to go camping and it won't all fit in a toyhauler.
A 45' "High Cube" is bigger than any normal RV trailer and can be built-out cheaper than most new RV or toy haulers. We can all build tiny homes and just tow all of the toys out on open or enclosed trailers big enough to carry (In our case: a 4 seat can-am or a Jeep, 2 kids quads, 1 kids dirtbike and a RZR170)
First we figured out the layout we wanted for the containers and went with a "circle the wagons" approach. We had 2x2x2 footings poured for the single containers and 3x3x3 footings for the 2 story containers. This was mainly to keep them level over time. Some people drop them directly on sand, some people use railroad ties.
You pick out your containers out in Long Beach. All of the sales yards are the same and close to the same pricing. It's all about the condition you get them in and you can inspect them before purchase. The guys running the gigantic forklifts got pissy every time I said "let's just look through one more stack" These containers were graded as WWT which is wind and watertight. I was told they are between 6 and 10 years old.
They were all $3250 delivered and dropped on the property. Most "high-cube" containers (9.5'tall) are 40'. We searched and waited for good high-cube 45's. A 45' Container is the biggest that can be delivered on a drop trailer.
More later
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