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Haven't followed super close.

What categories of product is he talking about tariffing ?
 
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What categories of product is he talking about tariffing ?
Canada is one of the world's largest producers and exporters of softwood lumber. The majority of Canada's softwood lumber exports go to the United States, China, and Japan

Last year, Canadian exports of energy products (oil, natural gas, power) to the U.S amounted to nearly $170 billion, or almost 1/3 of total shipments. In contrast, energy accounted for only 6% of all U.S. imports. Put simply, Canadian sources are critical to U.S. energy security.
 

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Canada is one of the world's largest producers and exporters of softwood lumber. The majority of Canada's softwood lumber exports go to the United States, China, and Japan

Last year, Canadian exports of energy products (oil, natural gas, power) to the U.S amounted to nearly $170 billion, or almost 1/3 of total shipments. In contrast, energy accounted for only 6% of all U.S. imports. Put simply, Canadian sources are critical to U.S. energy security.

The US Forrest Service used to be the the leading generator of income of any department in the government, and by a lot, through timber leases. Which had the dual benefit of generating income for the government, and getting loggers to thin and maintain public forests against fires.

Then the greenies got involved and sued everyone all the time and killed domestic logging, so new we import from Canada... Fucking brilliant chess move. 🤣
 

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Pretty much all trade between these two countries was renegotiated by Trump in his first term (NAFTA- USMCA) and is on a fixed schedule as far as when prices can be renegotiated and or changed.
 

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Dimon, who heads the largest bank in the United States, emphasized that Trump’s tariff plan is aimed at protecting American economic and national security interests. Additionally, the JPMorgan Chase CEO argued the plan will bring foreign trade partners back to the negotiating table to address unfair imbalances.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trumps tariffs. <a href="https://t.co/DHG87Qa9wC">pic.twitter.com/DHG87Qa9wC</a></p>&mdash; mrredpillz jokaqarmy (@JOKAQARMY1) <a href=" ">January 31, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That dirty rat put that hyna up front so we would click it!!!!!!! 😝

Well played cracker!!!
 

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“When you talk about a tariff, it’s an economic war; and in war, everybody loses,”
“But hopefully we will come to some better results and conclusions as a result of the pain and suffering that we will go through.”
 

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As of tomorrow, 25 percent tariff on Canadian heavy crude.

This should be interesting.

Canadian oil companies celebrating right? Havent you been telling us that higher tarrifs mean higher profits? Us workin folk don't understand fancy things like macro economics
 

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Canadian oil companies celebrating right? Havent you been telling us that higher tarrifs mean higher profits? Us workin folk don't understand fancy things like macro economics
It can mean higher profits for companies that can take advantage when the government picks winners and losers. But it always means higher costs for consumers.

The MAGA voters knowingly voted for higher inflation and higher costs so it is exactly what they wanted. Seems like everyone gets exactly what they voted for. 👍
 

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It can mean higher profits for companies that can take advantage when the government picks winners and losers. But it always means higher costs for consumers.

The MAGA voters knowingly voted for higher inflation and higher costs so it is exactly what they wanted. Seems like everyone gets exactly what they voted for. 👍

Ohhhhh now it "can" not "does" 🤣🤣🤣
 

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The US Forrest Service used to be the the leading generator of income of any department in the government, and by a lot, through timber leases. Which had the dual benefit of generating income for the government, and getting loggers to thin and maintain public forests against fires.

Then the greenies got involved and sued everyone all the time and killed domestic logging, so new we import from Canada... Fucking brilliant chess move. 🤣
I was born in 1970 in WA state and raised here through the early 80's. Weyerhaeuser was one of the biggest employers in the area along with Boeing. Weyerhaeuser owned or had leases on so much land since the early 1900's and had been responsibly harvesting timber and processing it to lumber for the US. When the land they had owned out in the sticks back in the day (Redmond, Kirkland, Bellevue, Snoqualmie Ridge) became more valuable to develop than to re plant trees they had the developer arm of the company, Quadrant develop it (Build infrastructure and master planned communities on it).

The General Contractor I worked for in the mid 90's built Quadrants buildings and infrastructure. All of that went away in the late 90's due to trade agreements with Canada and the drive for the US to be a "service industry". It put so many loggers, truck drivers, mill workers, local locally owned business out of work in my local area it was shocking. Weyerhaeuser was the epitome of responsible forest management since the early 1900's, they would log off areas, replant, maintain fire roads and totally understood forest management. When MT Saint Helens blew ( my indirect family lost a couple in that) Weyerhaeuser went in, reestablished the roads, replanted even though they were not allowed to harvest the billions of feet of old growth timber that was knocked down. If you ever get a chance to visit MT Saint Helens, Weyerhaeuser built an an amazing visitor and interactive center in the mid 90's on their own dime.

Our elected politicians both on the state level and federal level handed off an entire industry to Canada with little to no push back. Logging and sawmill work to create lumber and plywood for US construction. One of the last saw mills in WA State was just shut down as they were sold off, it's about 10 miles from my current home.


I grew up in Kirkland WA, it's a very affluent area now, but not so much when I was a kid in the 70's. Logging trucks on I405 and I5 were about a third of the traffic, along with the weird Boeing trailers with the pilot steering the rear axles on the trailers of fuselage or wing transporters. Not so much anymore, rarely see logging trucks, Boeing wing / fuselage trailers are much less common know too.

Wrapping this up, fuck Canada and the strangle hold they have on timber and lumbar. We have the forests and companies that can produce the same materials at a lower cost, and that has been proven. We just need the political will power to allow logging, forest management and milling here again. Shouldn't be an issue, we have been doing this n the PNW for much longer than Canada.
 

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It can mean higher profits for companies that can take advantage when the government picks winners and losers. But it always means higher costs for consumers.

The MAGA voters knowingly voted for higher inflation and higher costs so it is exactly what they wanted. Seems like everyone gets exactly what they voted for. 👍
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Incredible how tarrifs can only possibly benefit companies, but never benefit consumers, employees, localities, etc .... 🤣🤣🤣
 

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We know who the Lincoln Butt Pirates are pulling for!!!
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DecIaration of a Fentanyl emergency is the chosen path to the circumvention of the USMCA trade agreement.

It will be interesting to see the result of this to the auto manufacturers who built plants in Mexico that depending on a 10-15 year window to get their investments back and make money on the move.

Early snapshot here is that GM, Ford, and Stellantis (anything they make in Mexico/ Canada) lose big and Tesla emerges as the winner.

On profiting from a tariff - The government gets the tariff money so they always win and the consumer pays it.

As a manufacturer to make profit from a tariff - I have to raise my price beyond what the tariff costs me all while not losing the buyer to a country or competitor that doesn't raise their prices.
This is why something with a 10% tariff actually becomes more expensive than just the increase on the price.
 

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"Things will go back to normal, whether during this presidency or after. The only difference will be you, me, and the rest of the taxpayers will have lost a lot of money"

--Conservative Canadian guy's concerns as we talked about me buying some boat stuff from him.

Conservatism used to be about small government and lower taxes. Now we have conservative state governments imposing ID restrictions on porn websites which, if they're run from outside the US don't apparently have to comply. We have a conservative federal government so powerful it is enacting trade taxes (tariffs) through executive action.

Now, if you are still small government and low taxes, you're a libertarian. It just happened fast in this case. Beliefs and parties change over time. Indeed, Democrats used to be the Party of states' rights.

Not saying this is bad, terrible, or the world is coming down. It's just wild to see views change so much so fast.
 

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Ohhhhh now it "can" not "does" 🤣🤣🤣


Higher taxes as you are advocating for just create different winners and losers. I understand you believe government allocation of the means of production via higher taxes is far more efficient than the market and individual consumers being able to make the choice themselves by keeping their money and choosing what to do with it.

Smart people figure out how to profit off it either way.

No big deal for those who can improvise and react. 👍👍
 

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"Things will go back to normal, whether during this presidency or after. The only difference will be you, me, and the rest of the taxpayers will have lost a lot of money"

--Conservative Canadian guy's concerns as we talked about me buying some boat stuff from him.

Conservatism used to be about small government and lower taxes. Now we have conservative state governments imposing ID restrictions on porn websites which, if they're run from outside the US don't apparently have to comply. We have a conservative federal government so powerful it is enacting trade taxes (tariffs) through executive action.

Now, if you are still small government and low taxes, you're a libertarian. It just happened fast in this case. Beliefs and parties change over time. Indeed, Democrats used to be the Party of states' rights.

Not saying this is bad, terrible, or the world is coming down. It's just wild to see views change so much so fast.

The libertarians need an electable candidate. The left and right are seesawing all the way to each end.

We will ultimately return to normal, it will be interesting to see what permanent decisions come from temporary employees
 

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The libertarians need an electable candidate. The left and right are seesawing all the way to each end.

We will ultimately return to normal, it will be interesting to see what permanent decisions come from temporary employees
People fundamentally want a government that helps them over the other guy. It’s human nature.

A party that stands for individual self sufficiency will always be a minority party.
 

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People fundamentally want a government that helps them over the other guy. It’s human nature.

A party that stands for individual self sufficiency will always be a minority party.

No clown, people want a justice system that is not two-tiered, but it was a nice try as always!!! 🤣

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People fundamentally want a government that helps them over the other guy. It’s human nature.

A party that stands for individual self sufficiency will always be a minority party.

The lesson being learned here is that trading pacts and treaties arent dependable, and investment based on them is incredibly risky.
Especially factory level investments as GM, Ford and Stellantis are learning.

Our best move is probably to diversify manufacturing globally so we can move product in whatever path offers least resistance.

This means scaling down the US operation and building out in the geo areas in the proportion that business already supports.

We're basically 100% US with parts coming in and product shipping out.
Instead of 100% US based - well probably do something like 50% US and 25-25 EMEA and APAC.
 

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The lesson being learned here is that trading pacts and treaties arent dependable, and investment based on them is incredibly risky.
Especially factory level investments as GM, Ford and Stellantis are learning.

Our best move is probably to diversify manufacturing globally so we can move product in whatever path offers least resistance.

This means scaling down the US operation and building out in the geo areas in the proportion that business already supports.

We're basically 100% US with parts coming in and product shipping out.
Instead of 100% US based - well probably do something like 50% US and 25-25 EMEA and APAC.
People who are pro tariffs fail to recognize the largest opportunity for US businesses is the middle class in the rest of the world.

This strategy of taxing people and businesses with higher and higher taxes will eventually result in diminished results as it has in the past. But supporters will never recognize it.
 

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People who are pro tariffs fail to recognize the largest opportunity for US businesses is the middle class in the rest of the world.

This strategy of taxing people and businesses with higher and higher taxes will eventually result in diminished results as it has in the past. But supporters will never recognize it.

Fuck you and yore business opportunities you lying ass globalist scumbag, AMERICA FIRST!!! 🖕

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To who and for what?
To Who - I pay the tariff to the vendors that sell the tariffed parts to me - it come as part of my bill of parts - they then pay the tariff % to Uncle Sam.

For What - For parts I cant source in America (or anywhere else that wont put tariff on them) that we don't make here that are in all electronics.
Resistors, small chips, IC's, blank PCIE boards, stuff like that.

I buy part by the millions and source American whenever possible - it's just not possible in many cases.
 
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People who are pro tariffs fail to recognize the largest opportunity for US businesses is the middle class in the rest of the world.

But yet...... There are currently 197 other countries placing tariffs on U.S. goods, including China, Canada and Mexico...... but you lobby that we are not allowed to reciprocate. 🤷‍♂️

Looks and sounds like "old fashion corporate greed" to me.
 
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To Who - I pay the tariff to the vendors that sell the tariffed parts to me - its come as part of my bull of parts - they then pay the tariff % to Uncle Sam.

For What - For parts I cant source in America (or anywhere else that wont put tariff on them) that we don't make here that are in all electronics.
Resistors, small chips, IC's, blank PCIE boards, stuff like that.

I buy part by the millions and source American whenever possible - it's just not possible in many cases.

Kind of what I figured. So really an unavoidable cost of doing business.
 

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Kind of what I figured. So really an unavoidable cost of doing business.

The way I can avoid it is to build products that are destined for other regions in those regions.

This way everyone pays the tariff they voted for, and the cost to build in one regions doesn't make my product less competitive on others.

If the tariffs were enacted in a smarter fashion, they would only target items I could otherwise buy here.

By tariffing things we cannot buy here it's just a tax on the consumer and money the government then gets to misappropriate.
 

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It's really interesting that no one has asked what we have done with all the tariff money we have collected and intend to collect.

How is this money being used to help the American people ?
 

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I make my products in the USA and have been paying tariffs since 2017.

Are the countries you're buying your parts from involved in FAIR trade or are we paying larger tariffs on our exports to them?
 

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Are the countries you're buying your parts from involved in FAIR trade or are we paying larger tariffs on our exports to them?

As far as I know the only country we deal with that has bi directional tariff is China. They buy nothing from me.

I am forced to buy parts from them as is every electronics manufacturer in the world.
It's actually American companies building in china like say Texas Instruments.

I have no problem with tit for tat tariffs when there is choice one can make.
 

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Are the countries you're buying your parts from involved in FAIR trade or are we paying larger tariffs on our exports to them?
We sold goods to china that had no tariffs on them, until 2017 when china put retaliatory tariffs on them.

That is the point of strategic tariffs. Like strategic reductions in workforce.

But that requires competent Leadership.
 

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As far as I know the only country we deal with that has bi directional tariff is China. They buy nothing from me.

I am forced to buy parts from them as is every electronics manufacturer in the world.
It's actually American companies building in china like say Texas Instruments.

I have no problem with tit for tat tariffs when there is choice one can make.

And how did that come about, the fact that you HAVE to buy from China?

What's the long term solution, continue to be at the mercy of the dog eating communists or do something about it in order for it not to continue?

We sold goods to china that had no tariffs on them, until 2017 when china put retaliatory tariffs on them.

That is the point of strategic tariffs. Like strategic reductions in workforce.

But that requires competent Leadership.

See above globalist. Yore business model has put our nation in jeopardy due to yore Uni-Party greed. You WILL bend the knee and we don't give a flying fuck how much it cost you or the consumer.

You want to offshore, then offshore, but there is a price to pay for those slave labored induced profits.

Yore lil Covid experiment exposed you to the American people. Relying on those fucks is not an option and jeopardizes our national security.

Don't like it, pack yore bags for Shanghai. 👍
 

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And how did that come about, the fact that you HAVE to buy from China?

What's the long term solution, continue to be at the mercy of the dog eating communists or do something about it in order for it not to continue?

It came about for numerous reasons the big ones are -

It came about because large industries could make more money by offshoring using cheap labor and real estate.

Other large industries were willing to pay but unwilling to be held hostage by unions shutting them down whenever the fat cats wanted more beachfront property. Caterpillar comes to mind in this scenario.

The other reason is that no one wants to build anything here anymore because of red tape.

This has been happening since the 70's when productivity and pay started disconnecting - neither party addressed it.

The smart way to fix this is by reshoring those industries we pushed out, but who will take the risk?
A guarantee of a deal or tax structure from any party is worth absolutely nothing.

If Canada and Mexico have been ripping us off for decades why didnt we fix that when we renegotiated NAFTA in 2018?
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Good morning to everyone on X who&#39;s interested in how Tariffs actually work <br><br>This is the most important video on X today <br><br>Make this go viral..🚨.. we&#39;re the media now <a href="https://t.co/AHEbIMprXL">pic.twitter.com/AHEbIMprXL</a></p>&mdash; @Chicago1Ray 🇺🇸 (@Chicago1Ray) <a href=" ">February 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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You WILL bend the knee and we don't give a flying fuck how much it costs the consumer.
Finally someone willing to be honest about how MAGA really views America’s working middle class. 👍

Sounds a lot like a guy from Delaware.
 

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It came about for numerous reasons the big ones are -

It came about because large industries could make more money by offshoring using cheap labor and real estate.

Other large industries were willing to pay but unwilling to be held hostage by unions shutting them down whenever the fat cats wanted more beachfront property. Caterpillar comes to mind in this scenario.

The other reason is that no one wants to build anything here anymore because of red tape.

This has been happening since the 70's when productivity and pay started disconnecting - neither party addressed it.

The smart way to fix this is by reshoring those industries we pushed out, but who will take the risk?
A guarantee of a deal or tax structure from any party is worth absolutely nothing.

If Canada and Mexico have been ripping us off for decades why didnt we fix that when we renegotiated NAFTA in 2018?

100% correct and needs to be addressed with the solution of bringing back industry stateside. In the meantime, FAIR trade that levels the playing field, as well as encouraging those industries to do the same are the solution. You and I both know damn well that our problem is once the Uni-Party who created this mess gets back in power, they'll go right back to the status quo. Until the American people pull their head's out of their collective asses and realize there's a price to pay to ratify this problem, it will continue.

There WILL be some economic pain on the horizon, make sure to thank the scumbags who created it. 👍
 
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Finally someone willing to be honest about how MAGA really views America’s working middle class. 👍

Sounds a lot like a guy from Delaware.

Because I see the big picture you Chyna trinket marketing scumbag.


And stop editing my posts you POS, you left out the key person I was addressing.............................YOU!!!


You WILL bend the knee and we don't give a flying fuck how much it cost you or the consumer.


And BTW scumbag, we've got a solution for the consumer. After we rape yore corrupt federal reserve and all the money going out to yore corrupt ilk, they'll see savings when we lower income tax and put the burden on you corrupt ass globalists.


I told you we were going to fuck you up.


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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Good morning to everyone on X who&#39;s interested in how Tariffs actually work <br><br>This is the most important video on X today <br><br>Make this go viral..🚨.. we&#39;re the media now <a href="https://t.co/AHEbIMprXL">pic.twitter.com/AHEbIMprXL</a></p>&mdash; @Chicago1Ray 🇺🇸 (@Chicago1Ray) <a href=" ">February 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

As of March 2024, the Trump-Biden tariffs have generated over $233 billion in revenue.

The Trump administration collected about $89 billion of that revenue, while the Biden administration collected about $144 billion.

Has either party used this to pay down our debt?
 

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The only thing you have done by buying offshore is filled your pockets with more profit and loaded this country full of Chinese junk . Did you lower your prices when your labor costs went way down ? Fuck no you filled your pockets . Just like the auto makers that went to Canada and Mexico . Did cars become cheaper ? Not one fuckin penny . Now the market has changed . Time to adjust . Either move manufacturing back to the U.S. or pay the tariffs . You guys are the business geniuses , figure it out .
 

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100% correct and needs to be addressed with the solution of bringing back industry stateside. In the meantime, FAIR trade that levels the playing field, as well as encouraging those industries to do the same are the solution. You and I both know damn well that our problem is once the Uni-Party who created this mess gets back in power, they'll go right back to the status quo. Until the American people pull their head's out of their collective asses and realize there's a price to pay to ratify this problem, it will continue.

There WILL be some economic pain on the horizon, make sure to thank the scumbags who created it. 👍

The only way I can see to change status quo is to put a libertarian in office, but there arent any.
 
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