OK, I get it now

[Skinny Tire AH]

I think most of you guys know I'm a pretty avid outdoorsman. My pop raised me outside, learning the ways of the water, fields and streams. I still fish like I did as a kid, here locally. One of my passions has always been oversized, Flathead Catfish. The Verde River, specifically from Horseshoe Lake, all the way down to and including below Bartlett Dam, have been and still are my haunts.

I did a trip Friday night. I left home with both of my "other boats" a 14' Mirrocraft Aluminum, I got as a high school graduation gift and my Perception Kayak. I drove to Bartlett Flats, launched with my gear to spend the night waiting on Catfish.

I got to my desired spot, pulled both boats up in the sand a bit and started fishing for Bluegill for bait. There was a family in a tournament boat surfing a ways away from me. They then, made a pass in front of me. Their wake, filled and sunk my Kayak and filled the bilge section of my Aluminum boat all the way up.

I had to turn my Kayak over to drain it and bailed out the boat with a bait bucket. 10 minutes later, they did the identical thing.

So, Now that I've seen just how big these wakes are, from the shore looking out, I get it. Their wakes are damaging and irresponsible. But what to do? Heck, I have no clue. DOn't need more regulations but their selfish behavior sucks.

It aint a Skater, but gets the job done.

 

[Backlash]

I'm sorry about the experience on the beach, but I love the approach with the two vessels!!

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

I'm sorry about the experience on the beach, but I love the approach with the two vessels!!

The two boat thing works, I have to paddle out and cast into the channel and pay line out coming back. The Kayak just works better. In the middle of the night, getting the outboard started, going out and coming back is a hassle.

 

[FreeBird236]

I think most of you guys know I'm a pretty avid outdoorsman. My pop raised me outside, learning the ways of the water, fields and streams. I still fish like I did as a kid, here locally. One of my passions has always been oversized, Flathead Catfish. The Verde River, specifically from Horseshoe Lake, all the way down to and including below Bartlett Dam, have been and still are my haunts.

I did a trip Friday night. I left home with both of my "other boats" a 14' Mirrocraft Aluminum, I got as a high school graduation gift and my Perception Kayak. I drove to Bartlett Flats, launched with my gear to spend the night waiting on Catfish.

I got to my desired spot, pulled both boats up in the sand a bit and started fishing for Bluegill for bait. There was a family in a tournament boat surfing a ways away from me. They then, made a pass in front of me. Their wake, filled and sunk my Kayak and filled the bilge section of my Aluminum boat all the way up.

I had to turn my Kayak over to drain it and bailed out the boat with a bait bucket. 10 minutes later, they did the identical thing.

So, Now that I've seen just how big these wakes are, from the shore looking out, I get it. Their wakes are damaging and irresponsible. But what to do? Heck, I have no clue. DOn't need more regulations but their selfish behavior sucks.

It aint a Skater, but gets the job done.

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How well do you shoot below the water line?

Obviously I'm joking, sure is sad there's no respect for others, or they're just so oblivious.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

How well do you shoot below the water line?

Obviously I'm joking, sure is sad there's no respect for others, or they're just so oblivious.

I can't even fathom how damaging these are to docks. I kinda ignored it before. When I'm in my Skater, The wakes are of little consequence. I don't let them take me by surprise, but haven't paid much attention.

 

[DWC]

The newer, bigger surf boats are no joke. Their wakes are flat out massive. They don’t bother me on the lake. The opposite in most cases. It’s cool to see families out enjoying water sports. It’s different in Needles/Parker. The damage they do is sad. We were staying at BigBores and a guy in a new Axis filled his ballasts/experimented with his gadgets. He must have made a dozen passes not towing anyone. Our boats on the dock taking a beating.

 

[lbhsbz]

Worse than the wake is the rollers following those fucking things that you can’t see…multiple times…no other boats in sight as I’m flying in nice clean water I feel a little bump and then shit gets real in a hurry. 1 mile later or so I see a wakeboard boat pulling into a beach.

Blew the forward bulkhead outta my Bahner over some of those years ago, and earlier this year stuffed the Lavey at about 80mph after coming down from what felt like 6 feet in the air outta nowhere….nothing broke but it felt like I got hit in the face with a 2x4 and knocked my glasses off….wakeboard boat unloading at the beach 1/4 mile downriver.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

The newer, bigger surf boats are no joke. Their wakes are flat out massive. They don’t bother me on the lake. The opposite in most cases. It’s cool to see families out enjoying water sports. It’s different in Needles/Parker. The damage they do is sad. We were staying at BigBores and a guy in a new Axis filled his ballasts/experimented with his gadgets. He must have made a dozen passes not towing anyone. Our boats on the dock taking a beating.

Completely agree about getting the families out on the water. But at what cost to others?

I think it’s completely unreasonable to commingle this activity and regular boat traffic.

Many, MANY years ago, when PWC first became popular, there was a “jet ski only” area on Lake Pleasant.

Myself and @Instigator made many a ski pass in their area.

We could go in theirs, but they couldn’t leave the area. Is that the answer? Wakeboarding and surfing areas?

 

[monkeyswrench]

I've always sucked at fishing. Pops was good at it. Honestly, he was more at home fishing from the dock at night, than boating during the day.

This was at the onset of the wake tractor invasion. My little 21 doesn't have much freeboard, and those things would swamp my boat on occasion. I have nicks in the gel from my boat being pushed up and onto my dock...fenders didn't help, but I'm not the best boater type either. Always figured it was my fault.

How was the fishing though?

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

I've always sucked at fishing. Pops was good at it. Honestly, he was more at home fishing from the dock at night, than boating during the day.

This was at the onset of the wake tractor invasion. My little 21 doesn't have much freeboard, and those things would swamp my boat on occasion. I have nicks in the gel from my boat being pushed up and onto my dock...fenders didn't help, but I'm not the best boater type either. Always figured it was my fault.

How was the fishing though?

Fishing was fantastic.

The catching part sucked. Post spawn bite will begin soon. Just gotta wait till they get after it.

Caught one small Channel Cat.

 

[was thatguy]

Here’s what I predict, as it’s what I saw happen in Alaska rivers…primarily the lower Kenai.
The environmental activists will use erosion as their ammunition to restrict boat traffic. It will have nothing to do with types of boats.
It will be accomplished by limiting horsepower.
On the Kenai, river boats were getting bigger and badder.
It was not uncommon to see 24’ duckworths with 500” BBC and Hamilton jets, or even bigger sea going aluminums. The boat wars then started between guides and private boats. Bigger seemed to be the norm to bully your way into the fishing queue, with guides “back trolling” and hogging the lanes. Lol
Shore fishing in waders became an extreme life risking
sport!
Enter enviro activists backed by property owners.
Result? 35 HP limit period. End of discussion.
Except of course for the State Trooper and Fish and game boats.
It’s sort of a surprise to me that it hasn’t already happened at Parker.
But when it does, that’ll be how they do it. How PWC might figure in I have no idea.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Here’s what I predict, as it’s what I saw happen in Alaska rivers…primarily the lower Kenai.
The environmental activists will use erosion as their ammunition to restrict boat traffic. It will have nothing to do with types of boats.
It will be accomplished by limiting horsepower.
On the Kenai, river boats were getting bigger and badder.
It was not uncommon to see 24’ duckworths with 500” BBC and Hamilton jets, or even bigger sea going aluminums. The boat wars then started between guides and private boats. Bigger seemed to be the norm to bully your way into the fishing queue, with guides “back trolling” and hogging the lanes. Lol
Shore fishing in waders became an extreme life risking
sport!
Enter enviro activists backed by property owners.
Result? 35 HP limit period. End of discussion.
Except of course for the State Trooper and Fish and game boats.
It’s sort of a surprise to me that it hasn’t already happened at Parker.
But when it does, that’ll be how they do it. How PWC might figure in I have no idea.

Nailed it…..

 

[Orange Juice]

Im going to buy an old wake tractor, and just hang out, where all the flat water is, in the early morning, and fuck it up all weekend.

 

[hman442]

The wakes can be huge, but in most cases, it's still the drivers ignorance causing the problem. I've pulled a lot of surfers, and can guarantee that I've never swamped, or come close to swamping, or shook up any docks, but we have wider, less populated lakes around here. The answer could be education, but even as typing this, I realize that educating the ignorant, self absorbed populace would be impossible.

 

[Gelcoater]

Fishing was fantastic.

The catching part sucked. Post spawn bite will begin soon. Just gotta wait till they get after it.

Caught one small Channel Cat.

Did you try the hot dogs?

 

[cofooter]

Im going to buy an old wake tractor, and just hang out, where all the flat water is, in the early morning, and fuck it up all weekend.

Believe it or not there are people out there with that mentality.....

 

[77charger]

Don’t care for the wave makers most don’t give a damn about their wakes and what they hit.

Seen at Powell they will go away from their camp or houseboat annoy others relaxing then when done go back to their area.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Did you try the hot dogs?

Hot Dogs you say?....

 

[stephenkatsea]

Don’t believe speed limits are the final answer. Wake boats will be happy to cruise at 15 mph, throwing a friggin’ huge wake. Facts are, you are responsible for your wake and any damage or injury it happens to cause. Until that law is enforced (which is very unlikely to occur), this problem will continue.

 

[Outdrive1]

I think most of you guys know I'm a pretty avid outdoorsman. My pop raised me outside, learning the ways of the water, fields and streams. I still fish like I did as a kid, here locally. One of my passions has always been oversized, Flathead Catfish. The Verde River, specifically from Horseshoe Lake, all the way down to and including below Bartlett Dam, have been and still are my haunts.

I did a trip Friday night. I left home with both of my "other boats" a 14' Mirrocraft Aluminum, I got as a high school graduation gift and my Perception Kayak. I drove to Bartlett Flats, launched with my gear to spend the night waiting on Catfish.

I got to my desired spot, pulled both boats up in the sand a bit and started fishing for Bluegill for bait. There was a family in a tournament boat surfing a ways away from me. They then, made a pass in front of me. Their wake, filled and sunk my Kayak and filled the bilge section of my Aluminum boat all the way up.

I had to turn my Kayak over to drain it and bailed out the boat with a bait bucket. 10 minutes later, they did the identical thing.

So, Now that I've seen just how big these wakes are, from the shore looking out, I get it. Their wakes are damaging and irresponsible. But what to do? Heck, I have no clue. DOn't need more regulations but their selfish behavior sucks.

It aint a Skater, but gets the job done.

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Were they surfing at night?

Wakeboard boats weren’t that bad. Wakesurf boats are a in cock off between manufacturers to get the biggest wake. Someone is coming out with a boat that puts out a wake on both sides, instead 1 side like they currently do now. Basically it will gage double the wake if that’s even possible.

My Schiadas used to be fun in Parker. Now you get your ass kicked and break shit on the weekends. Thankfully I have friends with big ass modern tritoons. They are about the only thing that goes over wakesurf wakes.

 

[Gelcoater]

Hot Dogs you say?....

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

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Hahahahaha

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Were they surfing at night?

Wakeboard boats weren’t that bad. Wakesurf boats are a in cock off between manufacturers to get the biggest wake. Someone is coming out with a boat that puts out a wake on both sides, instead 1 side like they currently do now. Basically it will gage double the wake if that’s even possible.

My Schiadas used to be fun in Parker. Now you get your ass kicked and break shit on the weekends. Thankfully I have friends with big ass modern tritoons. They are about the only thing that goes over wakesurf wakes.

No, I got there and was set up for the night at about 4. They were there until right before dark.

 

[Outdrive1]

No, I got there and was set up for the night at about 4. They were there until right before dark.

Makes sense, I know it’s illegal, but some have Rigid lights on the tower so you can surf at night.

 

[JFMFG]

Were they surfing at night?

Wakeboard boats weren’t that bad. Wakesurf boats are a in cock off between manufacturers to get the biggest wake. Someone is coming out with a boat that puts out a wake on both sides, instead 1 side like they currently do now. Basically it will gage double the wake if that’s even possible.

My Schiadas used to be fun in Parker. Now you get your ass kicked and break shit on the weekends. Thankfully I have friends with big ass modern tritoons. They are about the only thing that goes over wakesurf wakes.

We left blue water to head to fox’s a few weeks ago 8:30 am holy fuck the amount of boats that surf down there is crazy. I didn’t know what to do sometimes more throttle is better sometimes have to let off and just slap. This time I literally pulled the stick all the way back because this thing was I shit you not 5-6ft tall. Boat slapped good.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Mayes sense, I know it’s illegal, but some have Rigid lights on the tower so you can surf at night.

And I wasn’t even aware there is a difference between the two tow boats.

 

[was thatguy]

Don’t believe speed limits are the final answer. Wake boats will be happy to cruise at 15 mph, throwing a friggin’ huge wake. Facts are, you are responsible for your wake and any damage or injury it happens to cause. Until that law is enforced (which is very unlikely to occur), this problem will continue.

It won’t be speed limits.
It’ll be HP limits.
For instance, 35 HP won’t push a wake boat at any speed.

Wake and surf boats are the holy grail of shore erosion, and shore erosion is the holy grail for enviros…second only to maybe salmon and other river fry, which are also disrupted by shoreline and shallow water disruptions.
It’s the conversation ending card.
When they get serious, and they will, it’s a no brainer to show erosion…it’s a river after all. It will not matter if the shore erosion is natural or man made, it’s always measurable.
None of this is my fight, I don’t boat in combat situations.
But this is how it will go.
Here is just one video from one individual. Imagine a professionally produced presentation from environmental activists.

Once they win that fight it’s an easy step to move on to lake restrictions.

 

[500bbc]

I think most of you guys know I'm a pretty avid outdoorsman. My pop raised me outside, learning the ways of the water, fields and streams. I still fish like I did as a kid, here locally. One of my passions has always been oversized, Flathead Catfish. The Verde River, specifically from Horseshoe Lake, all the way down to and including below Bartlett Dam, have been and still are my haunts.

I did a trip Friday night. I left home with both of my "other boats" a 14' Mirrocraft Aluminum, I got as a high school graduation gift and my Perception Kayak. I drove to Bartlett Flats, launched with my gear to spend the night waiting on Catfish.

I got to my desired spot, pulled both boats up in the sand a bit and started fishing for Bluegill for bait. There was a family in a tournament boat surfing a ways away from me. They then, made a pass in front of me. Their wake, filled and sunk my Kayak and filled the bilge section of my Aluminum boat all the way up.

I had to turn my Kayak over to drain it and bailed out the boat with a bait bucket. 10 minutes later, they did the identical thing.

So, Now that I've seen just how big these wakes are, from the shore looking out, I get it. Their wakes are damaging and irresponsible. But what to do? Heck, I have no clue. DOn't need more regulations but their selfish behavior sucks.

It aint a Skater, but gets the job done.

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Skinny tin boat asshole!!!!

 

[Backlash]

It only takes a few of these folks to ruin it for the rest of the boaters.

 

[was thatguy]

Skinny tin boat asshole!!!!

Shit…He’s got ya there Steve.

 

[grumpy88]

Don’t believe speed limits are the final answer. Wake boats will be happy to cruise at 15 mph, throwing a friggin’ huge wake. Facts are, you are responsible for your wake and any damage or injury it happens to cause. Until that law is enforced (which is very unlikely to occur), this problem will continue.

He said hp not speed limit . I think we all agree speed is not the problem . That's how environmental people get there way .

 

[500bbc]

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Grads bait?

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Skinny tin boat asshole!!!!

At least I don’t get coal rolled.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Shit…He’s got ya there Steve.

It’s Aluminum

 

[Wheeler]

It only takes a few of these folks to ruin it for the rest of the boaters.

Yep it don't take much to upset the balance of life on the river.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

It won’t be speed limits.
It’ll be HP limits.
For instance, 35 HP won’t push a wake boat at any speed.

Wake and surf boats are the holy grail of shore erosion, and shore erosion is the holy grail for enviros…second only to maybe salmon and other river fry, which are also disrupted by shoreline and shallow water disruptions.
It’s the conversation ending card.
When they get serious, and they will, it’s a no brainer to show erosion…it’s a river after all. It will not matter if the shore erosion is natural or man made, it’s always measurable.
None of this is my fight, I don’t boat in combat situations.
But this is how it will go.
Here is just one video from one individual. Imagine a professionally produced presentation from environmental activists.

Once they win that fight it’s an easy step to move on to lake restrictions.

Arrowhead was having this argument about dock damage and shore erosion and some people thought boat length was the problem and wanted to go back to 21 length limit. Problem is a 21 with ballast and wedge can still put out a much bigger wake than a larger boat without it.

Some wanted horsepower restrictions, which make no sense. Lake speed limit is 35 already. Also with the lake being a mile high, the elevation reduces HP already (as most boats up here are NA).

So far nothing has changed but the discussions continue.

Personally I think they should ban wake enhancement devices, such as wedges, onboarding water for ballast, etc. Make it part of their inspection to launch for wakeboard boats that the fuses are pulled or valves closed for these systems and then reinspect for any wakeboard boats that seem to be putting out larger wakes than they should be and if the owner has put the systems back into operation, ban the boat from the lake for a season.

 

[DWC]

Completely agree about getting the families out on the water. But at what cost to others?

I think it’s completely unreasonable to commingle this activity and regular boat traffic.

Many, MANY years ago, when PWC first became popular, there was a “jet ski only” area on Lake Pleasant.

Myself and @Instigator made many a ski pass in their area.

We could go in theirs, but they couldn’t leave the area. Is that the answer? Wakeboarding and surfing areas?

Designated areas on Havasu aren’t the worst idea. Although, any regulations are a slippery slope. I think the state/launch ramps could do a better job of giving newbies advice on where to play.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Don’t believe speed limits are the final answer. Wake boats will be happy to cruise at 15 mph, throwing a friggin’ huge wake. Facts are, you are responsible for your wake and any damage or injury it happens to cause. Until that law is enforced (which is very unlikely to occur), this problem will continue.

That is unenforceable when there are 5 wakes converging on one another.

 

[was thatguy]

Arrowhead was having this argument about dock damage and shore erosion and some people thought boat length was the problem and wanted to go back to 21 length limit. Problem is a 21 with ballast and wedge can still put out a much bigger wake than a larger boat without it.

Some wanted horsepower restrictions, which make no sense. Lake speed limit is 35 already. Also with the lake being a mile high, the elevation reduces HP already (as most boats up here are NA).

So far nothing has changed but the discussions continue.

Personally I think they should ban wake enhancement devices, such as wedges, onboarding water for ballast, etc. Make it part of their inspection to launch for wakeboard boats that the fuses are pulled or valves closed for these systems and then reinspect for any wakeboard boats that seem to be putting out larger wakes than they should be and if the owner has put the systems back into operation, ban the boat from the lake for a season.

The thing about HP restrictions is that it limits the boat size and weight, it isn’t about slowing a boat down.
Almost all boats on the Kenai are now 16’- 22’ and all run 35 HP short shaft props.
Some hulls are bigger for guiding purposes.
But a 18’ big jon with 35 HP short shaft prop can easily approach that 35 mph speed limit, and not leave much of a wake.
Basically a HP limit was found to cure all the complaints.
Speed was never a consideration, that’s not what the HP limit is about.

 

[Wheeler]

Designated areas on Havasu aren’t the worst idea. Although, any regulations are a slippery slope. I think the state/launch ramps could do a better job of giving newbies advice on where to play.

Once the boater safety card is fully implemented there should be no more problems as we've seen in the past.

but until then. ...noodles under the deck time.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Once the boater safety card is fully implemented there should be no more problems as we've seen in the past.

but until then. ...noodles under the deck time. View attachment 1264304

Noodles under the deck, up under the gunnels, under the engine...everywhere. SMH. All just so they can go surfing.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

That is unenforceable when there are 5 wakes converging on one another.

While we now have that same situation, lake wide instead. Perhaps that giant bay out in front of Havasu Springs, by the Bill Williams? It's never busy and its really big.

 

[ChiliPepperGarage]

Completely agree about getting the families out on the water. But at what cost to others?

I think it’s completely unreasonable to commingle this activity and regular boat traffic.

Many, MANY years ago, when PWC first became popular, there was a “jet ski only” area on Lake Pleasant.

Myself and @Instigator made many a ski pass in their area.

We could go in theirs, but they couldn’t leave the area. Is that the answer? Wakeboarding and surfing areas?

Kinda like bicycles riding in the middle of the road?

Sorry, but I couldn't resist that one.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Thinking this problem through. Bottom line, its too many users. Which is why I'll say this; The wake tractor and guys in boats like mine, doing 150 in traffic, are really the same issue. There is a wide, very wide delta is users goals. On a limited space, having wake tractors, 150 MPH boats, water skiers, family boats out just enjoying the lake, those uses all are counter to one another to one extent or another. Coexisting isn't going to happen.

Thank God there's no houses on Havasu to run into.

I think that either WTG is right, limited HP or like Saguaro or Canyon, limited entry.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

While we now have that same situation, lake wide instead. Perhaps that giant bay out in front of Havasu Springs, by the Bill Williams? It's never busy and its really big.

This really is not a big problem from the 40 south on Havasu. You aren’t supposed to tow from the mouth of the river to the 40 anyway. And the lake and south to Bill Williams is pretty wide with many coves.

Yea I’ve hit a couple wakes before on Havasu. It is big and wide enough and it usually not a huge deal navigating them.

Thinking these people are culpable for damage caused by multiple boat wakes is going to be a non starter.

The problem is relying on government to solve this problem. They don’t know the difference in tow boats. This will likely end in a solution no one is happy with. It’s going to end with no towing at all in more areas.

The limited entry you mention does not solve the erosion that the greens take issue with and will also kill tourism, which no one wants.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

This really is not a big problem from the 40 south on Havasu. You aren’t supposed to tow from the mouth of the river to the 40 anyway. And the lake and south to Bill Williams is pretty wide with many coves.

Yea I’ve hit a couple wakes before on Havasu. It is big enough and it usually not a huge deal.

Thinking these people are culpable for damage caused by multiple boat wakes is going to be a non starter.

The problem is relying on government to solve this problem. They don’t know the difference in tow boats. This will likely end in a solution no one is happy with. It’s going to end with no towing at all in more areas. The limited entry you mention does not solve the erosion that the greens take issue with and will also kill tourism, which no one wants.

I believe the problem is bigger on the river proper, Parker. I can now see a dock being demolished by inconsiderate folks. Maybe a section of river, where they cannot surf? Like in front of Wheelers house.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

While we now have that same situation, lake wide instead. Perhaps that giant bay out in front of Havasu Springs, by the Bill Williams? It's never busy and its really big.

Hey keep that crap up by the city, the Springs shouldn’t be penalized because we want peace and quiet on the lake.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I believe the problem is bigger on the river proper, Parker. I can now see a dock being demolished by inconsiderate folks. Maybe a section of river, where they cannot surf? Like in front of Wheelers house.

Agreed. Towing will be banned in Parker - That will be the solution. We can’t rely on police to effectively decipher who is water skiing and who is wake surfing, who has ballast and who does not, what is a wake generating device and what is not, what boat is creating a wake and what boat is not, etc.

All of it will be banned rendering ballast, and wave generating devices useless.

Honestly.. we should just shut the hell up about it and all get along.

 

[Morehart]

I think most of you guys know I'm a pretty avid outdoorsman. My pop raised me outside, learning the ways of the water, fields and streams. I still fish like I did as a kid, here locally. One of my passions has always been oversized, Flathead Catfish. The Verde River, specifically from Horseshoe Lake, all the way down to and including below Bartlett Dam, have been and still are my haunts.

I did a trip Friday night. I left home with both of my "other boats" a 14' Mirrocraft Aluminum, I got as a high school graduation gift and my Perception Kayak. I drove to Bartlett Flats, launched with my gear to spend the night waiting on Catfish.

I got to my desired spot, pulled both boats up in the sand a bit and started fishing for Bluegill for bait. There was a family in a tournament boat surfing a ways away from me. They then, made a pass in front of me. Their wake, filled and sunk my Kayak and filled the bilge section of my Aluminum boat all the way up.

I had to turn my Kayak over to drain it and bailed out the boat with a bait bucket. 10 minutes later, they did the identical thing.

So, Now that I've seen just how big these wakes are, from the shore looking out, I get it. Their wakes are damaging and irresponsible. But what to do? Heck, I have no clue. DOn't need more regulations but their selfish behavior sucks.

It aint a Skater, but gets the job done.

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Yah waKe boats pose a challenge for most. If your a riverfront/lake front home owner those waves can bring havoc. Dangerous to cross those wakes at any speed. I grew up on boats like that fishing. Now most great fishing lakes developed a law of 9.9hp and 35mph speed limits. Which coincidentally benefits the slower wake surf boats, simultaneously limiting the performance boats with horsepower. If bot are implemented its a Kayak canoe waterway. It's best to adapt and educate people with wake boats to empty ballast tanks when not in use for watersport activities. Unfortunately people want to be seen on they're recent debt acquired monster. Look down on a 21' boat and wonder wait that guys going faster. Steer right across your bow and plow. Airborne it is. With my middle finger in the air

 

[Wheeler]

Agreed. Towing will be banned in Parker - That will be the solution. We can’t rely on police to effectively decipher who is water skiing and who is wake surfing, who has ballast and who does not, what is a wake generating device and what is not, what boat is creating a wake and what boat is not, etc.

All of it will be banned rendering ballast, and wave generating devices useless.

Honestly.. we should just shut the hell up about it and all get along.

It's a good time to be old. ...