Offshore Custom Marine/Oregon Custom Marine..

[ICB1]

A friend of mine went to buy a boat here in the Portland area this weekend from a private party, the boat was nice and all but... the owner says he doesn't have a title for the trailer, boat yes trailer no. The trailer has a CAL permanent plate on it and he's been trying to get a title for it for three years now because the LEO keeps hassling him.

Well it turns out he bought it from OCM when they were here in Portland, and has called countless times with the same excuse, "should be here any day". Because he just put it up for sale he has been calling Tim in Havasu looking for a title and he wont return the calls...

Then the seller says he looked at the Better Business Bureau's web site and sure enough two other complaints similar to was going on in this post. My buddy wants the boat but he's screwed without a title and not sure how to go about getting one.


You can get a form from DMV if it has Ca reg. it is form reg227 lost or stolen title

 

[tunnel vision]

Thank you ICB1!

 

[ICB1]

Thank you ICB1!

Your welcome.

 

[tunnel vision]

So, has there been a court decision? A people up here want to know too.

 

[RiverDave]

So, has there been a court decision? A people up here want to know too.

Just got asked that today by a couple people. I have no idea?

 

[was thatguy]

The whole ca trailer title deal can be a real nightmare, that is for sure.

When I sold the 5 rib hydro to a guy from Washington, the dmv said that all he had to do was a title request from his wa dmv. Wrong.

I ended up having to do a paper title request here, like 15 bucks, then wait for it to be mailed, then sign it off, then send it to him in wa.

People in ca. When you title and register a trailer, GET THE PAPER COPY IN HAND.
It's extra $ but worth every penny.

 

[shueman]

People in ca. When you title and register a trailer, GET THE PAPER COPY IN HAND.
It's extra $ but worth every penny.

:thumbsup

 

[jack14r]

Is there any update on this legal action?

 

[RiverDave]

Is there any update on this legal action?

Good question? Aren't all court deals a matter of public record?

RD

 

[tunnel vision]

Good question? Aren't all court deals a matter of public record?

RD

I believe so

 

[jack14r]

Good question? Aren't all court deals a matter of public record?

RD

Almost everything is available but some settlements are sealed and are not available through the courts.

 

[tunnel vision]

Fair enough but some must know something, Havasu is not that big...

 

[Sandlord]

http://www.havasunews.com/news/suit...cle_2b0254b0-25f3-11e5-88e2-e7d2a2272bdd.html

A lawsuit against a Lake Havasu City boat dealer over an $80,000 consignment payment was settled out of court and dropped last month, according to court records.

Christopher Collins, of Washington, sued Tim McDonald and Offshore Custom Marine, arguing that McDonald was withholding payment from a boat that McDonald had sold on consignment for Collins.

McDonald said that he had ?multiple transactions? with Collins and that the payment delay was the result of not having all the title paperwork in hand. It had been over a year since McDonald sold Collins? boat when the suit was filed in May.

While the court records don?t detail the settlement, McDonald said he paid Collins in full after receiving certain paperwork. The paperwork to drop the suit was filed on June 24.

?It was unfortunate that we couldn?t handle it between each other?? McDonald said. ?All you can do is make it right between the two and that?s what we did.?

The lawyer who represented Collins in the suit, Richard Rahnema of Havasu law firm Wachtel, Biehn & Malm, filed two similar suits against McDonald last year and has used strong language describing what he argues is a pattern of McDonald delaying payments on boats he has sold. Those suits were also settled out of court. Rahnema didn?t respond to a request for comment by press time on Wednesday.

McDonald, who runs his business out of a space on Industrial Boulevard and London Bridge Road and sells high-end performance boats, said he has learned to be more diligent about paperwork.

?The biggest concern and the problem people have is they don?t have their paperwork together, and you can?t do business, as I have learned, on handshakes,? McDonald said. ?They need to thoroughly understand the contract and have all of their documentation on the boat in hand.?

 

[McRib]

Good question? Aren't all court deals a matter of public record?

RD

The lawsuit itself is public record but the settlement terms can be sealed if requested.

 

[boatpi]

Some updates?

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/beware-stolen/326950-havasu-dealer-sued-withholding-payment.html

Seems like a lot of folks are after him:

L-8015-CV-201407352 OCM OF LAKE HAVASU DEFENDANT Mohave County Superior
L-8015-CV-201407362 OCM OF LAKE HAVASU DEFENDANT Mohave County Superior
L-8015-CV-201507111 OCM OF LAKE HAVASU DEFENDANT Mohave County Superior
J-0804-CV-201401195 OCM OFFSHORE CUSTOM MARINE, LLC DEFENDANT LAKE HAVASU CITY, AZ 86403 Lake Havasu City Justice
L-8015-CV-201407362 OCM OFFSHORE CUSTOM MARINE, LLC DEFENDANT Mohave County Superior
L-8015-CV-201507111 OCM OFFSHORE CUSTOM MARINE, LLC DEFENDANT Mohave County Superior
L-8015-CV-201407352 OCM OFFSHORE CUSTOMER MARINE DEFENDANT Mohave County Superior

 

[tunnel vision]

Damn

 

[TBulger]

3 sides to every story, being a businessman today is no easy chore, even for a Superhuman. LOL

 

[TBulger]

Personally, Tim has been nothing but kind to me and my dealings, though somewhat limited, have been fine. :thumbsup

 

[Singleton]

3 sides to every story, being a businessman today is no easy chore, even for a Superhuman. LOL

While I agree with the above. Multiple lawsuit for very similar activities is concerning. Something should of changed after the first lawsuit.

 

[DaBank]

Nothing against OCM, I have never had a dealing with them but this seems to happen with businesses that try to operate without there own cash and try to run on the float and chase money. Dealers if it is boat or cars sales etc DO NOT NEED COSIGNMENTS if the price is right(wholesale) the dealer would buy it from the customer and then in turn sell it for a profit. Why would you want a 3rd party customer involved in your business ........only one reason they do not have the cash to operate. So my thought on this type of deal is the business should have never been opened in the first place if the cash was not there in the beginning to operate........ Someone is going to be brunt at the end.

 

[RiverDave]

Nothing against OCM, I have never had a dealing with them but this seems to happen with businesses that try to operate without there own cash and try to run on the float and chase money. Dealers if it is boat or cars sales etc DO NOT NEED COSIGNMENTS if the price is right(wholesale) the dealer would buy it from the customer and then in turn sell it for a profit. Why would you want a 3rd party customer involved in your business ........only one reason they do not have the cash to operate. So my thought on this type of deal is the business should have never been opened in the first place if the cash was not there in the beginning to operate........ Someone is going to be brunt at the end.

Yeah.. That's bullshit. Lol. So every dealer that brokers boats doesn't have their own operating capital?

 

[DaBank]

Yeah.. That's bullshit. Lol. So every dealer that brokers boats doesn't have their own operating capital?

Boat brokers are a funny business, when it comes down to it. If someone comes in and wants to buy a consignment boat and has a trade it seems that the dealer never wants to buy the trade they always tell the buyer hey leave it here and we will sell it for you or they call the cosigner up and ask them if they want the trade. Want would you say to a Car dealership if they told you to buy there car and to leave yours there and they will pay you when someone buys it? Brokers are there to sell your consignment and then either give your proceeds or what is left from the pay off in a escrow account and there fee is the only money that should go into there account. Some like to borrow a little or all that money to have a free float..........back to the OCM deal where Tim is accused of not paying for a consignment boat.......not saying this is what happened but this seems to happen alot.....a license dealer or broker takes on all the responsibilities to give the retail buyer/ bank completed ownership and sometime the cosigner does not know or trys to pull a fast one and can not get it ownership released for whatever reason. The retail buyer has to be held harmless and all money returned and that is where the business owner should have the capital and if not should not be in business. As a business owner we take on the responsibilities to our customers who in good faith came into to a BUSINESS to buy whatever product as stated, if not any real BUSINESS will return all money back to retail buyer and then take on the burden to have to deal with that vendor to be made whole or in this case the cosigner.

 

[jack14r]

I have dealt with several brokers on used boat sales and purchases,2 of these were in Lake Havasu and Preston at Horizon Marine is as honest a guy that I have ever dealt with,I sent him a title that was signed and he wired the money to me just as we had agreed to,I also purchased a boat from him 2 years before that and his staff did a great job in preparing the boat for shipment to NC.I also purchased my current boat from another LHC broker that was very dishonest and actually sent me a trailer title that was a copy and forged,the actual owner of the boat sent me the real title for the trailer after he finally got paid 4 months later.