Officer involved shooting

[CLdrinker]

Heart goes out to this officer. What a shitty situation to be placed in.
He didn’t have time to react in any other way than he did.

Deputies shoot, kill 15-year-old at Apple Valley home who allegedly attacked them with bladed gardening tool | abc7.com

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[Mikes56]

Bummer, shouldn’t have tried to kill the uniformed cop.

 

[Havasu blue label]

He is doing his job that kid came at him with a deadly weapon

 

[Joker]

Good riddance. Next

 

[77charger]

Saw that on news looked like he tried to avoid it by running back. But their comes a time when you have to shoot.

Sucks but like said he tried to avoid it.

 

[napanutt]

Good riddance. Next

Kind of what I was thinking. They said a 15 year old.Sounds like a 5’0 at best 140 pound kid to me.
Video looks like 5’8 at least and close to 200.

 

[4Waters]

Kind of what I was thinking. They said a 15 year old.Sounds like a 5’0 at best 140 pound kid to me.
Video looks like 5’8 at least and close to 200.

My 13yo son is 5'4" 135lbs

 

[monkeyswrench]

Horrible for the officer involved, no matter the reason the kid was whacked out. If the kid was on drugs, sucks, but that's the risk.

If the kid had some mental issues, not so much the kids fault, as someone let him down, causing a situation with no possibility for a good outcome. If it were a mental issue, there's help out there for family members. Help like that could have avoided the escalation, and kept it from needing law enforcement involvement.

The problem is, a responding officer has a split second. Trained doctors take months, and are often wrong. I see no blame for the officer...he did what he had to to go home to his family.

 

[rivermobster]

Suicide by cop?

Awful situation for that officer to be put in.

 

[77charger]

Horrible for the officer involved, no matter the reason the kid was whacked out. If the kid was on drugs, sucks, but that's the risk.

If the kid had some mental issues, not so much the kids fault, as someone let him down, causing a situation with no possibility for a good outcome. If it were a mental issue, there's help out there for family members. Help like that could have avoided the escalation, and kept it from needing law enforcement involvement.

The problem is, a responding officer has a split second. Trained doctors take months, and are often wrong. I see no blame for the officer...he did what he had to to go home to his family.

News said he was autistic. Could have just had an episode and they don’t calm down or listen right away especially at younger ages and yes 15.

Like I said it’s a screwed situation.officer can only do so much when kid is holding a weapon.

 

[bilz]

Drop the age of the aggressor out of the medias lips and the whole thing disappers

 

[69hondo]

I drove down this street yesterday afternoon unknowingly and there are a ton of news vans still there.

 

[PaPaG]

I have dealt with 12 year olds that would shoot or axe an officer or another person without thinking about it, age doesn't mean shit the last 15 years or so, we had gang bangers in NV imported from LA and parts of back east that were attacking officers and property staff at 10-12 years old and caught carrying firearms. If someone is going to attack another person with deadly harm then what ends up happening to the aggressor is no ones fault but theirs.

 

[rivrrts429]

Feel terrible for the officer. He was put in a no win situation regardless of the kids mental challenges.

 

[CLdrinker]

Suicide by cop?

Awful situation for that officer to be put in.

Kid was autistic. So probably not suicide by cop. Kid lost his shit. Parents couldn’t deal with it so they call the cops and this shit happens.

Cop wants to go home to his family so he did what he had to do.

 

[gordon]

I have dealt with 12 year olds that would shoot or axe an officer or another person without thinking about it, age doesn't mean shit the last 15 years or so, we had gang bangers in NV imported from LA and parts of back east that were attacking officers and property staff at 10-12 years old and caught carrying firearms. If someone is going to attack another person with deadly harm then what ends up happening to the aggressor is no ones fault but theirs.

Very well put

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

Sad deal, but wouldn't have happened with proper parenting and maybe some good ol spakings. In the old days there was a lot more respect for elders. This diminished with time, time is almost all forgotten with the electronic age.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Sad deal, but wouldn't have happened with proper parenting and maybe some good ol spakings. In the old days there was a lot more respect for elders. This diminished with time, time is almost all forgotten with the electronic age.

"Proper" parenting, as some of us were raised, as well as spankings, kind of go out the window with mentally challenged kids. It's a whole different world. That said, there is still proper parenting, I think, but parents may need to be taught how, or get help. What may work on other kids doesn't always work on them. Don't know the parents or family, so hard to say.

 

[bilz]

Was there a 911 stating the kids mental status?
As far as I've heard, no mention of that info relayed to the responding officer.
I hope this gets put to rest in favor of the leo. Now the media is blowing up the autistic part.
Sad for all parties.

 

[poncho]

Was there a 911 stating the kids mental status?
As far as I've heard, no mention of that info relayed to the responding officer.
I hope this gets put to rest in favor of the leo. Now the media is blowing up the autistic part.
Sad for all parties.

Seems to me the LEO had no prior info to the Kids mental state, I'm sure had they known they would have approached that very differently.
Since that won't fit the narrative of Cops kill child for no reason that part will always be left out.

Remember if you hate modern media it's probably not enough.

 

[Smitty7]

Everyone has a mental problem now. How did that saying go ? Oh yea. " Knock some sense into them ".

 

[FCT]

Everyone has a mental problem now. How did that saying go ? Oh yea. " Knock some sense into them ".

Sometimes if you lack the knowledge of certain things it’s better to keep your mouth shut so you don’t seem like an ignorant fuck.

 

[CLdrinker]

Sad deal, but wouldn't have happened with proper parenting and maybe some good ol spakings. In the old days there was a lot more respect for elders. This diminished with time, time is almost all forgotten with the electronic age.

Have you parented an Austic kid? I’m sure it’s a walk in the park convincing a 15yr old kid with a 3yr old mind that he needs to respect his elders.

 

[Badchoices03]

Everyone has a mental problem now. How did that saying go ? Oh yea. " Knock some sense into them ".

If this kid was Autistic, no amount of "knocking sense into them" would work, in fact it probably would have quite the opposite effect...

 

[monkeyswrench]

Have you parented an Austic kid? I’m sure it’s a walk in the park convincing a 15yr old kid with a 3yr old mind that he needs to respect his elders.

Hell, autism aside, it's difficult to tell any kid to respect their elders.

Another thing that is not really understood by people in general, "autism", "ASD" or "autistic tendancies" are seldom a stand alone diagnosis. Depression and anxiety are probably the most common to accompany someone with these types of neurodivergent traits, but far from the only ones. Some people only know of mental illnes by what they see on TV, either "RainMan", or Charles Manson. It surely isn't that cut and dry. In many cases, you can see both in the same day, even the same hour.

I have friends and family both in law enforcement, and that struggle with mental illness to varying degrees. An officer's job is to protect the people and themselves from harm. Ultimately, we need to understand that the officer did what they thought was needed, and for the best overall outcome. It must be a hard decision to make at the moment, and a moment that is permanently etched in your mind.

Unfortunately, I can see and understand both sides of this, all too well. There really is no winner, and there was no good outcome to be found.

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

Have you parented an Austic kid? I’m sure it’s a walk in the park convincing a 15yr old kid with a 3yr old mind that he needs to respect his elders.

I'm sorry, I didn't see anywhere in the post where the chid was autistic. I've never seen an autistic child show anger in a physically assaulting manner towards another person, but I.m no expert.

 

[Kachina26]

I'm sorry, I didn't see anywhere in the post where the chid was autistic. I've never seen an autistic child show anger in a physically assaulting manner towards another person, but I.m no expert.

Article I read stated it. I don't know if the one posted did. I work with a guy that's 6'5" or better, well over 300 pounds with an autistic daughter. To say she's violent is an understatement. He's had to lay on top of her to restrain her. Cops show up at his place often. She's torn out walls and made holes in the floor. Finally had to commit her. First night in the facility, they wanted to send her back. I guess it takes on all kinds of forms. I don't wish it on anyone. Some folks do better with it than others. It's a heartbreaking situation regardless.

 

[CLdrinker]

I'm sorry, I didn't see anywhere in the post where the chid was autistic. I've never seen an autistic child show anger in a physically assaulting manner towards another person, but I.m no expert.

Ever heard of R(word) strength?

It’s true.

 

[bilz]

My son's work with special needs people. One has scars on his arms from a outburst. A colleague has scratches and scars on the face and missed several days if work. Yes, violence can be part of it.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Quick story, to maybe help some understand the way things can happen, only this one was kind of comical:

About a mile down the road there is a house that is a residential deal for adult special needs. A couple years back, sheriff's were there about sundown...lights were obvious. Neighbor, who is pretty high ranking, tore out his driveway and headed over.

The next day, I asked him what happened. He kind of chuckled. The "orderly" type had promised a resident he could have a soda after he took his meds. The resident was described to me as the Indian, from "One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest". (I'd seen him, they play basketball sometimes in the evening) Well, orderly changed their mind. Indian guy popped the orderly in the nose, and was upset.

Imagine, if you can, an adult size 3 or 4 year old. It's one thing when you can pick them up and put them in a chair to settle down, quite different when they can do the same to you.

I'm not a small or frail person. 5'10", 225lbs...I can still do pull-ups, and bench above my bodyweight. Not by any means a beast, but for my age still pretty strong. Restraining a 6ft+ teen, or adult, special needs is possibly more strenuous than any exercise. There is not only the physical aspects, but also the mental aspect of trying not to harm someone that probably isn't trying to harm you, but cannot control all aspects of their actions. It's a different world that is really hard to understand unless you've been subjected to it. Luckily, majority of people have not been.

 

[ikester]

Dont attack an officer and dont attack an officer with a weapon and this would not have happened. It sucks.

 

[77charger]

Everyone has a mental problem now. How did that saying go ? Oh yea. " Knock some sense into them ".

Apparantly you never parented a kid who is autistic! My son is high function autistic when he was younger he was a handful eventually became better through counseling and therapist but when they have an episode it gets really bad that (knocking sense into them)can escalate things real fast and does not calm them down.

They dont think like we do or dont know the consequences.Like i said in my other post i feel bad for the cop looks like he tried to avoid shooting him but again there comes a point where he had to fire with kid holding a weapon. A bad deal all around

 

[Smitty7]

Apparantly you never parented a kid who is autistic! My son is high function autistic when he was younger he was a handful eventually became better through counseling and therapist but when they have an episode it gets really bad that (knocking sense into them)can escalate things real fast and does not calm them down.

They dont think like we do or dont know the consequences.Like i said in my other post i feel bad for the cop looks like he tried to avoid shooting him but again there comes a point where he had to fire with kid holding a weapon. A bad deal all around

Was it something I said ? Jesus Christ you know nothing of me but apparently it's obvious I don't know shit. What I meant was every time one of these kids acts up they got an excuse for it. I was not referring to kids with a legitimate problem. Half of these kids just need some discipline. But what would an ignorant fuck like me know. You all seem to have the monopoly on mental problems apparently.

 

[monkeyswrench]

A response can sometimes help others see opinions in the manner in which the original statement was intended. Sometimes, however, the response is more abrasive than soothing, regardless of original or secondary intent. Much like when Pops would tell Mom, "I'm sorry, you got mad"

 

[Smitty7]

My younger brother was in a coma for 5 years before he died in our home. My friends kid is 6'4" and 275 with the mind of a 3 year old so tell me how I don't know shit. Have a nice day.

 

[bilz]

And you would relay this to 911 if the need arises?

 

[monkeyswrench]

And you would relay this to 911 if the need arises?

Brings up something that I'd never thought about. The family members involved in situations like this are obviously scared, their communication skills may not be the greatest under pressure, and they may not even think to notify of mental illness, because it's normal to their day to day.

Info gets relayed from the home, to dispatch, to people on the street. Any variation can be a future issue for both parties.

In our area out here, LE are usually a ways away. Due to our lower population though, the guys on patrol have a pretty good idea of who is where, and what to expect. In big cities or larger geographical areas, a first responder may often find themselves on a street they've never been on.

 

[Mr. C]

Brings up something that I'd never thought about. The family members involved in situations like this are obviously scared, their communication skills may not be the greatest under pressure, and they may not even think to notify of mental illness, because it's normal to their day to day.

Info gets relayed from the home, to dispatch, to people on the street. Any variation can be a future issue for both parties.

In our area out here, LE are usually a ways away. Due to our lower population though, the guys on patrol have a pretty good idea of who is where, and what to expect. In big cities or larger geographical areas, a first responder may often find themselves on a street they've never been on.

Short response. If I called 911.
In a panic.
My son is autistic or??? He’s having a meltdown. I need help. He’s very aggressive. Etc
That said. It’s easy to be a Monday day quarterback. But I’d still like to think if my son had issues I would pass that on to 911

 

[monkeyswrench]

Short response. If I called 911.
In a panic.
My son is autistic or??? He’s having a meltdown. I need help. He’s very aggressive. Etc
That said. It’s easy to be a Monday day quarterback. But I’d still like to think if my son had issues I would pass that on to 911

I agree, and sure as hell hope I would. I hope to think I would also do anything in my power to not involve the police. As much for their safety as my kids'.

I can't remember the stats, but "domestic" calls are the ones that get dangerous quick for responders, as well as the offenders and ones who called.

As I said in my first post, there was no possibility for a good outcome. Once it got to the point of a weapon and needing to call the cops, someone was going to get hurt or killed. Sad, but that's the way it is. I truly do feel bad for all parties involved.

 

[Mr. C]

I agree, and sure as hell hope I would. I hope to think I would also do anything in my power to not involve the police. As much for their safety as my kids'.

I can't remember the stats, but "domestic" calls are the ones that get dangerous quick for responders, as well as the offenders and ones who called.

As I said in my first post, there was no possibility for a good outcome. Once it got to the point of a weapon and needing to call the cops, someone was going to get hurt or killed. Sad, but that's the way it is. I truly do feel bad for all parties involved.

My Son in law being a sheriff I worry everyday something like this might happen.
There is no good outcome. But I will say. I pray it is my SIL who comes homes at the end of the day.