Not enough skilled workers in America.

[Orange Juice]

Even the Taiwanese are complaining.
Need a job? Here’s your chance. 500 Taiwanese.

A feud is heating up between Arizona workers and the world's leading chipmaker after the company said the US didn't have the skills to build its new factory

TSMC wants to bring in foreign reinforcements to get its Arizona factory running because it says there aren't enough qualified local workers.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[BingerFang]

Link doesn’t show the article.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Great, import people to take American jobs, at a plant that was subsidized by tax payers...somehow I'm thinking Biden will push it through

 

[wallnutz]

Who doesn’t think that was the plan all along. Did they think workers were just going to appear in Phoenix?

 

[TCHB]

There is a shortage of engineers, doctors, nurses, pilots and the list goes on. The question is how are we going to fill those positions.
In Havasu my doc was from India And then he left to a bigger city.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

There is a shortage of engineers, doctors, nurses, pilots and the list goes on. The question is how are we going to fill those positions.
In Havasu my doc was from India And then he left to a bigger city.

This is a shortage of skilled construction workers.

 

[TCHB]

This is a shortage of skilled construction workers.

Absolutely
Do you think the high school graduate wants to do heavy work? Not many!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Absolutely
Do you think the high school graduate wants to do heavy work? Not many!

Then who is building everything in Phoenix?

If there are also no doctors engineers, etc, what are all these high school graduates doing? Making coffee? This is the largest generation of people in the country.

The motivation here is to bring in Taiwanese/Foreign labor at a cheaper rate.

 

[TCHB]

Then who is building everything in Phoenix?

If there are also no doctors engineers, etc, what are all these high school graduates doing? Making coffee? This is the largest generation of people in the country.

The motivation here is to bring in Taiwanese/Foreign labor at a cheaper rate.

What Happens After America Graduates From High School?

We often say today’s economic shifts are “unprecedented.” But there is a precedent—the American high school movement. A century ago we adapted and built the strongest middle class the world had ever seen. Now, we can create a lifelong learning system to rebuild our middle class for the age of AI.

www.forbes.com

 

[TCHB]

Medical people. My wife and daughter know first hand how short they are in the hospitals.

The U.S. Physician Shortage Is Only Going to Get Worse. Here Are Potential Solutions

America is experiencing a physician shortage, and it’s only expected to get worse—a concerning situation that could lead to poorer health outcomes for many patients.

time.com

 

[Boat 405]

This is a shortage of skilled construction workers.

My brother and I are typically the youngest guys on most of my jobsites. 45 and 48. There is next to zero new blood coming up the ranks besides laborers. Plumbers/Electricians/Framers/Finish carpenters are almost all older 55 and up guys. So many of the technical skilled finish guys are aging out. It will be interesting so see the skilled technical guys charging $300 plus an hour in the coming years because there is no other choice. We charge $250 and hour the past couple years and folks are just happy that we show up and get the job done. I never in my younger years when I grew up do this with my dad that I would be charging $250 an hour.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

What Happens After America Graduates From High School?

We often say today’s economic shifts are “unprecedented.” But there is a precedent—the American high school movement. A century ago we adapted and built the strongest middle class the world had ever seen. Now, we can create a lifelong learning system to rebuild our middle class for the age of AI.

www.forbes.com

AI will take people’s jobs. So we will “reskill” them to code.

Coding is the one of the first things AI is used for.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

My brother and I are typically the youngest guys on most of my jobsites. 45 and 48. There is next to zero new blood coming up the ranks besides laborers. Plumbers/Electricians/Framers/Finish carpenters are almost all older 55 and up guys. So many of the technical skilled finish guys are aging out. It will be interesting so see the skilled technical guys charging $300 plus an hour in the coming years because there is no other choice. We charge $250 and hour the past couple years and folks are just happy that we show up and get the job done. I never in my younger years when I grew up do this with my dad that I would be charging $250 an hour.

I feel like there is going to be a spring back to trades… people are starting to realize that is where the $$ is.

We have got another thread that says $700 was too little to charge to check out 4 running ACs and install run caps on 2 of them in less than an hour.

I’m prepping my kids to hopefully take some business courses and learn a trade.. either selling running their own business.

Again, the aim here is to bring in foreign labor to this chip fab because it is non union, way cheaper and faster.

I don’t disagree with the shortages of labor in certain professions… but all these Millennials and Gen Zers aren’t baristas and working in Target.

 

[whiteworks]

We can’t get out of our own way in the US these days, litigation, liability, red tape etc.. has eaten any sort of productivity we once had.

US tradesman are out for their minds on pricing, and the illegals are right there with them. This country was built on cheap labor by immigrants who didn’t know any better, time to turn off the internet and dumb these mother fuckers down a bit

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

We can’t get out of our own way in the US these days, litigation, liability, red tape etc.. has eaten any sort of productivity we once had.

US tradesman are out for their minds on pricing, and the illegals are right there with them. This country was built on cheap labor by immigrants who didn’t know any better, time to turn off the internet and dumb these mother fuckers down a bit

Pretty much. We have and are continuing to price ourselves out.

 

[whiteworks]

Pretty much. We have and are continuing to price ourselves out.

I’ve been taking quotes on a project, so far I have just looked at the quotes, laughed and taken on each task myself. I have time and skill, don’t much respect other high labor prices though. If that’s what they can get paid, more power to them, but I’m not the guy to employ whitey in his $120k pick up truck

 

[timstoy]

Biden will hire the pipeline workers he fired on his first day in office to build the chips, making half of what they were paid before! Bidenomics where you work two jobs to make what made working one job before!

 

[Angler]

Medical people. My wife and daughter know first hand how short they are in the hospitals.

The U.S. Physician Shortage Is Only Going to Get Worse. Here Are Potential Solutions

America is experiencing a physician shortage, and it’s only expected to get worse—a concerning situation that could lead to poorer health outcomes for many patients.

time.com

The best of the best are crossing our border illegally right now. I'm sure most are DRs and engineers.

 

[Xring01]

Covid taught country’s that “offshoring” your basic needs is a stupid idea.

Which is causing some major ripples in many economy’s thru out the globe. China is in a world a shit, for lots of reasons. But due to Covid, countries are buying less and less from China, and trying to build factorys in their own country for their own needs. China is in a recession right now, but they will not admit it. When you combine that with its real estate problems, factory problems, aging population with very few younger workers… Its going to get far worse, before it gets any better.

The US is in the infancy of a huge manufacturing boom. There is more money to build factorys in the US, than their are people to build them, or people to fill the jobs once they are built. There are lots of county’s in the US, where the un employment rate is less than 2%.

The bad news is this overall demand will keep inflation higher than most would like. Driving wages higher etc etc.

I am doing research on this in my spare time, trying to determine whats going to happen in global stock markets, for investment purposes.

Strange times for sure.

I am very confident the price of crude oil and gasoline will go up, due to the recent events in Ukraine, targeting Russian ships. Which basically removes insurance from the shipping company’s, in those waters, and slowing/preventing oil ships from moving from Russia to China, which puts more stress on the other oil suppliers. Meaning prices go up.

 

[Bpracing1127]

Something to note. All the new US chip mfg won’t even make a dent in the worlds demand.

So don’t get your hopes up that this solves a lot of problems.

Secondly, I work in this space and no kids are doing these jobs. The workforce in America is dying up. No high school or college kids want to stand in mfg facility for 10 hours a day making boards or microchip.

They want to be counselors and art majors

 

[Flying_Lavey]

I feel like there is going to be a spring back to trades… people are starting to realize that is where the $$ is.

I think its already starting. We are seeing a ton of applicants coming in that have gone to UEI or other tech trade schools, but they don't have any experience. People are starting to realize working with your hands is a damn good career choice.

 

[DLC]

This is a shortage of skilled construction workers.

Well ….we just let in a Shit load of ditch diggers over the past 2 years….
One of the only jobs that starts at the top and work down….

not sure if there English is up to bar yet

 

[DLC]

If only that pipe line project from Canada would start up again….

 

[J DUNN]

Tradesmen are perpetuating this pipe dream that in 10 years you'll all be sorry and be paying construction workers $300 an hour.....blah blah blah.......

Labor is a market just like any other. Once the entry pay on construction starts going up on it's way to that elusive $300 per hour future, people will eventually jump into construction. There is a current shortage of capable trades people in many areas but there will be an equalization before it skyrockets as some suppose.

I run a cabinetry business and we're hiring guys below 25 yo all the time, they are learning and working hard, and they are legal, even in SoCal. Most of them are sons of emigrants. God Bless America! We can and will prevail! Thanks to being the greatest country in the world people still want to come here and live the American dream!

 

[rickym20]

I Will agree with this article about having a labor shortage in some areas like most of you are saying. Phoenix and its surrounded cities are booming in new construction . Between TSMC, Intel , tilt ups and Data centers , creating a lot of opportunities for the tradesmen to pick and choose where they want to work. The guys that travel for work also have their choice too since projects of this size are happening all over this country.

There are others things contributing to the project schedule referenced in article besides labor issues. They’re a few major companies that have had to pull off the project for payment issues at one point or another creating certain missed milestones. Not sure if this stunt of visas is a ploy to get additional funds from the government to help fund the project. Just seems like there is more to the story than what is being said in the article. Big surprise, I know

 

[dread Pirate]

My oldest son graduated high school last year. Going into fall at the community college he's taking welding, wood shop, a computer class and heavy equipment operations to get certified. Has no interest in a degree and just wants to jump start his trade school plan by knocking a couple classes out locally before he heads to Wyoming for a welding school next fall.

 

[Mandelon]

Schools and the education system administration has failed our children. We should be educating the kids for the careers that need to be filled.
The tech companies constantly complain about lack of skilled workers. The schools want to train our kids to hate America and that diversity is our strength LOL

Train for careers. Good god, we learn how to color rainbows and march to get rid of police while Chinese kids are assembling rifles while wearing blindfolds. Ugh.

Germany has career track schooling that starts early. Work with head or work with hands. Two tracks. Do we wonder why they are Europe's powerhouse while the Italian kids smoke cigarettes and the french burn cheese wheels in the street if the retirement age goes up by two weeks?!?

So many young people complain about lack of good jobs, while companies complain about lack of good workers. It seems so obvious.

 

[Bobby V]

If only that pipe line project from Canada would start up again….

Not sure who they would get to man that project. I have several friends that are pipe line welders and fitters and they are all working on existing projects thru out the U.S. Most companies are looking for fitters and welders.

 

[Yoshiro]

Few Americans have skills anymore.

 

[Icky]

I'm curious what trades they have that are currently lacking the "skilled" workers.

 

[jetboatperformance]

Two Words VOCATIONAL EDUCATION

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I'm curious what trades they have that are currently lacking the "skilled" workers.

Every one they can bring Taiwanese labor in to do instead…

 

[Orange Juice]

Anything outside at the moment. It's been brutal in Phoenix.

 

[HB2Havasu]

Even the Taiwanese are complaining.
Need a job? Here’s your chance. 500 Taiwanese.

A feud is heating up between Arizona workers and the world's leading chipmaker after the company said the US didn't have the skills to build its new factory

TSMC wants to bring in foreign reinforcements to get its Arizona factory running because it says there aren't enough qualified local workers.

www.businessinsider.com

You mean the 10 Million Illegals that Biden has let walked over the border with 3rd Grade educations aren't qualified for low wage assembly jobs, or they don't want to work because the US Gubment is paying them more to sit on their ass than what TSMC is ? lol

 

[Bpracing1127]

You mean the 10 Million Illegals that Biden has let walked over the border with 3rd Grade educations aren't qualified for low wage assembly jobs, or they don't want to work because the US Gubment is paying them more to sit on their ass than what TSMC is ? lol

These tsmc jobs are high skilled technical labor. Most people can’t do this type of work

 

[Bugginout]

I'm a superintendent for a very large electrical contractor. There is so much work right now that all of good hands are working. Also we are really having a hard time finding guys that can run work/leaders as well. Guy's can pick where they want to work with IBEW pay scales being what they are that means places like Phoenix are very low on the totem pole. Line guys and inside guys are all working their asses off right now.

 

[Xring01]

I'm curious what trades they have that are currently lacking the "skilled" workers.

Electrical Equipment manufacturing is exploding in the US right now.
Every factory I know of is hiring RIGHT NOW…

Steel poles, Power Transformers, Distribution Transformers, Cap Banks, Switchs, Switchgear etc etc etc etc etc.

All have historically long lead times, and all are hiring in the US RIGHT NOW…

Distribution Transformers - historically have less than 30 week lead time, one company is quoting out to 4 years.
Power Transformers - historic low lead times where 28-32 weeks, are 2-5 years/ pending the size
Back Up Generator world - we can build more Generators per year, than we have qualified people to install them
Same thing with BESS systems regardless if its residential, commercial or Utility scale.
I can keep going, its crazy out there.
Dont even get me started on the Contractors right now.. dudes are begging for labor.. BEGGING.

Every company I know of would build another factory in the US right now, if they could find workers to fill it. But the problem most have, they are running at 1.5 shifts right now, and cant get to 3 shifts. Some of these are Union jobs. No joking.

Back to the Welder conversation…
Welders are in HUGE DEMAND… HUGE…

I know of one US company who brought in 90 refugees from Pakistan & Ahganistan, who had zero education, could not speak or read english, set up a school in their manufacturing plant, taught these guys to read/write english, gave them jobs, its been a huge success, and now they are teaching them to drive. Because they spent over $1M just busing them to/from work in 1 year.

I can keep going, but I have work to do.

 

[HB2Havasu]

These tsmc jobs are high skilled technical labor. Most people can’t do this type of work

My juxtaposition is that the government is importing workers (llegal Aliens) that are not qualified for the current demand. Most of these people are more suited for Heavy Labor, not Technical Innovation. J/S

 

[dread Pirate]

This is the welding school my son is focused on. Job placement right out of the school. Spend a year or two working in Montana and Wyoming afterward then decide whats next. He's already pretty good with computers and can program plasma tables. In fact his high school asked him to come back and realign the 3D printers again. His brain works a little differently and he is much better hands on than books. He struggled through school, but excels with his hands.

Western Welding Academy

Voted "#1 Welding School in the World" and the only pipe welding school in the country owned and operated solely by real pipeline/pipe welders.

www.westernweldingacademy.com

 

[mesquito_creek]

It’s almost like what we were taught in high school about what would happen when the baby boomers retired turned out to be true…

Hopefully some people paid attention to the same teacher when they explained how compounding interest and inflation works.

 

[TCHB]

Schools and the education system administration has failed our children. We should be educating the kids for the careers that need to be filled.
The tech companies constantly complain about lack of skilled workers. The schools want to train our kids to hate America and that diversity is our strength LOL

Train for careers. Good god, we learn how to color rainbows and march to get rid of police while Chinese kids are assembling rifles while wearing blindfolds. Ugh.

Germany has career track schooling that starts early. Work with head or work with hands. Two tracks. Do we wonder why they are Europe's powerhouse while the Italian kids smoke cigarettes and the french burn cheese wheels in the street if the retirement age goes up by two weeks?!?

So many young people complain about lack of good jobs, while companies complain about lack of good workers. It seems so obvious.

This is what other countries do including China. You need doctors China educates more doctors.

 

[JDKRXW]

The motivation here is to bring in Taiwanese/Foreign labor at a cheaper rate.

Very doubtful.

Artical say they want to bring in an additional 500 skilled Tiwanese workers to a site with 12,000 workers.
Sounds to me like they're trying to get some shit done.

 

[Travmon]

Covid taught country’s that “offshoring” your basic needs is a stupid idea.

Which is causing some major ripples in many economy’s thru out the globe. China is in a world a shit, for lots of reasons. But due to Covid, countries are buying less and less from China, and trying to build factorys in their own country for their own needs. China is in a recession right now, but they will not admit it. When you combine that with its real estate problems, factory problems, aging population with very few younger workers… Its going to get far worse, before it gets any better.

The US is in the infancy of a huge manufacturing boom. There is more money to build factorys in the US, than their are people to build them, or people to fill the jobs once they are built. There are lots of county’s in the US, where the un employment rate is less than 2%.

The bad news is this overall demand will keep inflation higher than most would like. Driving wages higher etc etc.

I am doing research on this in my spare time, trying to determine whats going to happen in global stock markets, for investment purposes.

Strange times for sure.

I am very confident the price of crude oil and gasoline will go up, due to the recent events in Ukraine, targeting Russian ships. Which basically removes insurance from the shipping company’s, in those waters, and slowing/preventing oil ships from moving from Russia to China, which puts more stress on the other oil suppliers. Meaning prices go up.

Let me add to that with some Chinese factoids . In the next 20 years china will lose 40-50% of the population due to old age and their one child rules will finally come to roost . The smart forward thinking buisness leaders are starting to realize this and developing plans to deal with a country that can no longer deliver goods. The new trade structure really needs to be us, Canada and mexico as we eliminate the mass container ships and what will be unraveling of china as a off shore mfg. I for one couldn’t be happier to het china out of our daily lives. They are a scumbag country that we shouldn’t be doing ANY buisness in . Japan yes, taiwain yes china no.
If we were smart ( hardly ever) we would stop messing with the US/mexico border and go down south and protect that border kick the cartels out and welcome Mexico with open arms. We need the workforce and they need their country back.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Very doubtful.

Artical say they want to bring in an additional 500 skilled Tiwanese workers to a site with 12,000 workers.
Sounds to me like they're trying to get some shit done.

It starts with 500, that is how these tech companies work. Then it will grow. They absolutely want to get shit done, that is why they want to bring in labor.

Look at how Tesla built its car factories several years ago.

 

[BHC Vic]

This is the welding school my son is focused on. Job placement right out of the school. Spend a year or two working in Montana and Wyoming afterward then decide whats next. He's already pretty good with computers and can program plasma tables. In fact his high school asked him to come back and realign the 3D printers again. His brain works a little differently and he is much better hands on than books. He struggled through school, but excels with his hands.

Western Welding Academy

Voted "#1 Welding School in the World" and the only pipe welding school in the country owned and operated solely by real pipeline/pipe welders.

www.westernweldingacademy.com

Love to see more people learning to weld that’s awesome! Im a cwi and cwe. I always tell people join the union and I can teach and certify you for FREE, while you get on the job training. I go to a lot of highscools and colleges and try to recruit welders. I sit on the inland empire aws committee as the educational chair. We just took over Wyoming and montana. I should be heading out that way to teach some classes pretty soon.

 

[Xring01]

Well done sir.
Keep it up!

 

[CoolCruzin]

Not sure being certified is the answer.
I have hired certified welder.( TIG)
Fired him in two months .
Customer called said his weld broke .
Sent his part back
Welder was gone after that .
Now I have a weld no certificate and welds bitchin .
It all about the person not the paper

We weld different type of steels
4130 , 4140 stainless ,high carbon.
Thin.062. - .500 thick

 

[rivermobster]

So I must be the Only one that thinks that building a high tech manufacturing plant...

IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DESERT...

Probably wasn't the smartest idea??

And yes, I know Why they built it there, the underground aquafiers are MASSIVE.

Aren't the first three things to know about real estate, location, location and location??

Double edge sword on this particular location I'm thinking.

 

[cofooter]

So I must be the Only one that thinks that building a high tech manufacturing plant...

IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DESERT...

Probably wasn't the smartest idea??

And yes, I know Why they built it there, the underground aquafiers are MASSIVE.

Aren't the first three things to know about real estate, location, location and location??

Double edge sword on this particular location I'm thinking.

Especially with the amount of water they use..... not sure how that works in a desert

 

[racektm]

Love to see more people learning to weld that’s awesome! Im a cwi and cwe. I always tell people join the union and I can teach and certify you for FREE, while you get on the job training. I go to a lot of highscools and colleges and try to recruit welders. I sit on the inland empire aws committee as the educational chair. We just took over Wyoming and montana. I should be heading out that way to teach some classes pretty soon.

I learned to weld through the carpenters apprenticeship, a "few" years ago but I have used those skills throughout my entire career. Carpenter/welder was a good classification to have back in the day.