NHRA????? VEGAS

[Gramps]

Anyone know what happened? Their site says "to be continued" tomorrow due to a large cleanup. Weather radar didn't show any rain issues...........

 

[SoCalDave]

As with you this is all I can find. Lengthy cleanup worries me...hopefully just debris from stong winds that blew through the southwest is expecting Santa Anna winds the next few days.

Due to weather and unfavorable track conditions following a lengthy cleanup after an on-track incident, the conclusion of the 24th annual Ford Performance NHRA Nationals at The Strip at Las Vegas Motor Speedway will be completed on Monday.

Gates will open at 8 a.m. PT and racing will begin at 9 a.m. in the Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series, Summit Racing Series, Johnson’s Horsepowered Garage Mountain Motor Pro Stock and Congruity NHRA Pro Mod. The semifinals in Funny Car, Pro Stock and Pro Stock Motorcycle in the NHRA Mission Foods Drag Racing Series will then follow at 11 a.m. PT.

The Top Fuel final, which was already set on Sunday and will feature Brittany Force and Doug Kalitta, will kick off final-round action at 12:15 p.m.

The semifinals in Funny Car features points leader Austin Prock taking on Blake Alexander and Jack Beckman racing Paul Lee. In Pro Stock, Aaron Stanfield will race David Cuadra, while the other semifinal features Greg Anderson and Cristian Cuadra. In Pro Stock Motorcycle, Gaige Herrera will race Hector Arana Jr. and Chase Van Sant will take on Angie Smith.

Admission will be free for fans on Monday with open seating. Club Nitro and the suites will not be open on Monday, while parking will only be in general parking. RVs and campers will also be permitted to stay until 6 p.m. on Monday.

 

[was thatguy]

Kalitta and Langdon in the Semifinal.
Dougies rear end disintegrated at like half track or sooner, launched the ring gear parts 100’ into the air and completely dumped all gear oil down the length of the track…and that was before the engine let loose.
Meanwhile Langdon (who had the win in hand) crossed the centerline and blew out the left rear tire by hitting blocks, then slid back into the right wall lightly with the rear rim sparking the whole way.
It was a real mess. Wasted the entire track as night was falling.
So Langdon was disqualified and Dougie goes to the final against Brittany.
Who by the way, is totally on her game.
Sucks because she almost certainly had the win in hand.
We’ll see tomorrow.

 

[thmterry]

Doug Kalitta's rear end blew up big time and oiled down the track to bad to continue today. They weren't able to get it done before it became unsafe to race anymore today. It will be on FS2 tomorrow at noon PT.

 

[Dog]

NHRA​

RACING UPDATE: Due to weather conditions following a lengthy track cleanup, racing has been called for the day at the Ford Performance #VegasNats.

Eliminations will conclude Monday at The Strip at Las Vegas Motor Speedway. Gates will open at 8a PT. Sportsman will start at 9am, followed by the semis of the Mission Foods Series at 11a PT.

Admission will be free with open seating.

 

[Gramps]

thanks guys..............hope this isn't a vin

 

[SoCalDave]

hope this isn't a vin

LMAO

 

[napanutt]

I’m guessing more than a normal oil down.
Maybe a chunk out of the track from shrapnel.

 

[was thatguy]

On a side note and totally unrelated…I had zero idea that Travis Shumake (Tripps kid) was gay as gay can be.
They interviewed him at the big end and I was like “WTF??!”

 

[4Waters]

Any video of the rapid, unscheduled rearend disassembly

 

[Vamodsquad]

Copied from Phantombullet:

 

[was thatguy]

 

[n2otoofast4u]

Langdon is VERY GOOD at not hitting shit even when he’s trying to gather up a pile of parts! That’s a rare mistake from him!

 

[was thatguy]

Langdon is VERY GOOD at not hitting shit even when he’s trying to gather up a pile of parts! That’s a rare mistake from him!

Yeah he said he’s never hit anything.
He was extremely upset.

 

[n2otoofast4u]

Yeah he said he’s never hit anything.
He was extremely upset.

I don’t know about ever… maybe, I certainly can’t call it out.

You going to Pomona?

 

[Willie B]

… Whoever is making those ring and pinion gears… needs to get their act together… Billy Torrance also exploded a ring gear at this event…Hmmm…

 

[was thatguy]

I don’t know about ever… maybe, I certainly can’t call it out.

You going to Pomona?

Probably not.
Had tickets for Vegas but got called to work.

 

[oldboatsrule]

… Whoever is making those ring and pinion gears… needs to get their act together… Billy Torrance also exploded a ring gear at this event…Hmmm…

They have been busting gears for most of this season. Here's one from a few months back.

Note the thickness of the housing . They have been breaking teeth. And with nowhere to go , the tooth runs thru the gearset and boom ! (This is a Chrisman rear end from an AA/FC.)

 

[Eliminator21vdrive]

More traction more power finding a new weak link.

I did gears in a pro mod car (1990's) they left so hard that they would roll over pro gears.

 

[monkeyswrench]

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Note the thickness of the housing . They have been breaking teeth. And with nowhere to go , the tooth runs thru the gearset and boom ! (This is a Chrisman rear end from an AA/FC.)

When this one popped, did it do damage to the clutch assembly/housing or even the rotating assembly? F' me, that had to be violent, and way too close for comfort for the driver

 

[oldboatsrule]

When this one popped, did it do damage to the clutch assembly/housing or even the rotating assembly? F' me, that had to be violent, and way too close for comfort for the driver

Driveline and reverser was damaged.. and the engine destroyed. Pretty much a complete yard sale.

It happens so fast the driver is usually only aware that stuffs not right.

It's the afterwards that you realize you were sitting on top of some serious carnage.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Driveline and reverser was damaged.. and the engine destroyed. Pretty much a complete yard sale.

It happens so fast the driver is usually only aware that stuffs not right.

It's the afterwards that you realize you were sitting on top of some serious carnage.

Wow...I remember seeing what it cost to make one pass in a fuel car. It was pretty staggering. That was if everything "survived". Losing the entire drive package in a split second? Damn, just sad

 

[OLDRAAT]

Can't tell by the pix, but do the use billet or casting rear housings these days?

 

[Tom Slick]

On a side note and totally unrelated…I had zero idea that Travis Shumake (Tripps kid) was gay as gay can be.
They interviewed him at the big end and I was like “WTF??!”

He's as flamboyant and flimsy as it gets. Even running rainbows on his parachutes. He hangs with the lady drivers like Nataas and Salinas.

 

[92562]

Can't tell by the pix, but do the use billet or casting rear housings these days?

Case looks pretty porous, I'd guess that unit was cast.

 

[was thatguy]

Wow...I remember seeing what it cost to make one pass in a fuel car. It was pretty staggering. That was if everything "survived". Losing the entire drive package in a split second? Damn, just sad

Don’t shed too many tears.
They’re both team Kallita cars.
Have you seen Connie’s fleet of jumbo jets lately? They own over 35 Jumbo jets, mostly 747’s.
Or Dougies private jets with which he flies himself around the country?
Kalitta Air probably HAS to spend money.
Conrad is the American Dream. He turned a single cessna (paid for with race win earnings) operation into a global empire. He employs about 1000 people just in the airframe side. They buy the Boing airframes and build out the entire aircraft to their own specs. They even dyno the jet engines themselves.
They are top notch, every round a Kallita car wins triggers $3000 in charitable meals donations with their “feed America” roughly 30,000 meals everytime a Kalitta car turns on a win light.
$1000 each from Kalitta Motorsports, Kalitta air, and DHL.
I don’t know Doug, but I talk to him a lot at every race I go to. He is all class, as is their operation.

Replacing an entire TF car for Kalitta Racing is about the same as you or I dropping a single grain of rice from our lean cuisine microwave dinner.

 

[OLDRAAT]

Case looks pretty porous, I'd guess that unit was cast.

Yea, the granular appearance at the broken sections are definitely castings.
Gonna have to consider billet, forgings or fabricated units if teams haven't already.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Don’t shed too many tears.
They’re both team Kallita cars.
Have you seen Connie’s fleet of jumbo jets lately? They own over 35 Jumbo jets, mostly 747’s.
Or Dougies private jets with which he flies himself around the country?
Kalitta Air probably HAS to spend money.
Conrad is the American Dream. He turned a single cessna (paid for with race win earnings) operation into a global empire. He employs about 1000 people just in the airframe side. They buy the Boing airframes and build out the entire aircraft to their own specs. They even dyno the jet engines themselves.
They are top notch, every round a Kallita car wins triggers $3000 in charitable meals donations with their “feed America” roughly 30,000 meals everytime a Kalitta car turns on a win light.
$1000 each from Kalitta Motorsports, Kalitta air, and DHL.
I don’t know Doug, but I talk to him a lot at every race I go to. He is all class, as is their operation.

Replacing an entire TF car for Kalitta Racing is about the same as you or I dropping a single grain of rice from our lean cuisine microwave dinner.

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As a kid, I only knew Connie from the drag strip. I must have been about 20 when I saw clips of Kalitta Air bringing horses to the Kentucky Derby...that was over 25 years ago. They're rollin', and have to be having a blast still, even after the hard times at the track. Didn't know they did the charity stuff...that's really cool.

 

[was thatguy]

The case has nothing to do with the point of failure.
That case has no axle tubes, the center section is pinched right between the frame and is a beast already. There is no flexing.
A billet steel case strictly for oil and shrapnel containment would likely not be weight effective?

 

[OLDRAAT]

Really like Rob's channel, very informative. He's the real deal.

 

[was thatguy]

The final rounds are starting right now on FS2
DTV 618

 

[napanutt]

The final rounds are starting right now on FS2
DTV 618

Watching.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

Really, dang I checked DTV this morning g and the guide didn't mention it. Maybe I can force a recording remotely.

 

[oldboatsrule]

Case looks pretty porous, I'd guess that unit was cast.

It's not cast for sure... at the very least it's forged. Remember, it was busted not cut. So a rough edge is to be expected.

I may be wrong but I think cast and forgings were banned from fuel cars years ago.
We used to run cast housings and this is the upgraded version.

 

[was thatguy]

It's not cast for sure... at the very least it's forged. Remember, it was busted not cut. So a rough edge is to be expected.

I may be wrong but I think cast and forgings were banned from fuel cars years ago.
We used to run cast housings and this is the upgraded version.

They’re billet aluminum on fuel cars aren’t they?

 

[boatpi]

Prock one funny car over I believe Paul Lee Paul Lee beat Beckman in a whole shot

 

[Nordie]

Wind is howling, can't imagine it's very fun out there

 

[OLDRAAT]

Like Tommy stated, it's solidly captured but was the victim of other failing components that decided it was time to leave the stage.
Weight and where it's placed is a major factor along with having quick access to the housing between rounds which limits some type of sufficient containment device in that area. Also do not believe any type of Kevlar blanket could have retained the amount of energy released that quickly.
Hoping to see what they come up with. Might have to include some additional NDE to the fracture critical components before installing. JMO
Glad no one was injured.

 

[ltbaney1]

Wow...I remember seeing what it cost to make one pass in a fuel car. It was pretty staggering. That was if everything "survived". Losing the entire drive package in a split second? Damn, just sad

its what i call "cost prohibitive" figure we just dropped $1800 on a 54 gallon drum of nitro. split 3 ways, paid 55 for a 5er of M1 alcohol to cut it down and 150 for a 5er of nitro 70 oil to sit around and make a bunch of noise for 2 days this coming weekend, and we have saving pennies and squirelling dollar bills away for a few months to do so.

Ive crewed on a couple top alcohol cars and nostalgia funny cars, and when going rounds in a weekend, that drum will be gone in 3 runs, alcohol figure 1-2 gallons per 5 of nitro depending on weather and tune up, 2.5 gallons of oil per run. and then throw in the cost of spark plugs, clutch plates, tires. it hurts my head to think about that much money.

 

[monkeyswrench]

its what i call "cost prohibitive" figure we just dropped $1800 on a 54 gallon drum of nitro. split 3 ways, paid 55 for a 5er of M1 alcohol to cut it down and 150 for a 5er of nitro 70 oil to sit around and make a bunch of noise for 2 days this coming weekend, and we have saving pennies and squirelling dollar bills away for a few months to do so.

Ive crewed on a couple top alcohol cars and nostalgia funny cars, and when going rounds in a weekend, that drum will be gone in 3 runs, alcohol figure 1-2 gallons per 5 of nitro depending on weather and tune up, 2.5 gallons of oil per run. and then throw in the cost of spark plugs, clutch plates, tires. it hurts my head to think about that much money.

When I was street racing, I figured it this way: 2 5gl cans of VP, and 2 5lb bottles, was right at 100$ (dating myself) That would last 2 nights. Dinner and a pair of movie tickets, 50$. If things went really well, motel was 60$.

Mathematically speaking, street racing was a much better waste of money

 

[was thatguy]

As a kid, I only knew Connie from the drag strip. I must have been about 20 when I saw clips of Kalitta Air bringing horses to the Kentucky Derby...that was over 25 years ago. They're rollin', and have to be having a blast still, even after the hard times at the track. Didn't know they did the charity stuff...that's really cool.

Yeah Doug promotes it at the track, and Pedregon has mentioned it on air, but that’s part of their classiness imo.
None of them ever toot their own horns even though Connie could probably buy out the entire NHRA just as a hobby.

Ya know, I saw Grumpy just about go to fists with Glidden, watched Shirley and Large Father scream at each other, seen Force and Bernstein both super pissed I don’t know many times. JF once went on an epic rant back in the late eighties at Pomona I think where he went on for 5 minutes bitching about “that big red car” to anyone in earshot Lol (the best day of John’s career was when Bernstein went to top fuel)
I called Tony Schumacher everything but human one morning when he made Debbie cry by being his former asshole self, and all kinds of other stories from over 65 National events since 1980.
But in all those years, and all those races, and all those characters and all those stories I have NEVER seen or heard Doug say an ill word about anyone or any car or any track or anything at all.

 

[mjc]

its what i call "cost prohibitive" figure we just dropped $1800 on a 54 gallon drum of nitro. split 3 ways, paid 55 for a 5er of M1 alcohol to cut it down and 150 for a 5er of nitro 70 oil to sit around and make a bunch of noise for 2 days this coming weekend, and we have saving pennies and squirelling dollar bills away for a few months to do so.

Ive crewed on a couple top alcohol cars and nostalgia funny cars, and when going rounds in a weekend, that drum will be gone in 3 runs, alcohol figure 1-2 gallons per 5 of nitro depending on weather and tune up, 2.5 gallons of oil per run. and then throw in the cost of spark plugs, clutch plates, tires. it hurts my head to think about that much money.

I did that weekend before at Famoso running a AA/FA. Oil and fuel gets really expensive. We are all retired just owner works to support the race habit. At 2.5 gallons of oil cheap we used 34 quarts/ 8.5 gallons per run.

 

[timstoy]

Yeah Doug promotes it at the track, and Pedregon has mentioned it on air, but that’s part of their classiness imo.
None of them ever toot their own horns even though Connie could probably buy out the entire NHRA just as a hobby.

Ya know, I saw Grumpy just about go to fists with Glidden, watched Shirley and Large Father scream at each other, seen Force and Bernstein both super pissed I don’t know many times. JF once went on an epic rant back in the late eighties at Pomona I think where he went on for 5 minutes bitching about “that big red car” to anyone in earshot Lol (the best day of John’s career was when Bernstein went to top fuel)
I called Tony Schumacher everything but human one morning when he made Debbie cry by being his former asshole self, and all kinds of other stories from over 65 National events since 1980.
But in all those years, and all those races, and all those characters and all those stories I have NEVER seen or heard Doug say an ill word about anyone or any car or any track or anything at all.

Doug Kalitta is a class act!

 

[wfowahoo]

I worked for the Kalitta's twenty years ago when they come out west. Class act 100%.

But it was Force who sold tickets.