New three-quarter ton Diesel truck

[eand28]

I already googled it and answered above. Ram turning radius is the smallest beat ford by 7’

Is that comparing trucks with a similar wheelbase? That seems like a pretty huge difference considering both trucks are solid axle

 

[CLdrinker]

Is that comparing trucks with a similar wheelbase? That seems like a pretty huge difference considering both trucks are solid axle

The answer is in your hands. You just need to type out the question you have.

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

Driving a diesel around town all the time is terrible for them. Never have the chance to go through the re-gen mode to burn off the exhaust particulates that build up. They need to be ran hard every once in awhile as in hit the freeway for 20-30mi out of overdrive or put it in tow/haul mode.

 

[HNL2LHC]

The answer is in your hands. You just need to type out the question you have. View attachment 1489858 View attachment 1489859 View attachment 1489860

So as far as turning radius it is…
Dodge - 48.2’
Chevy - 52.7’
Ford - 55.3’

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

Haha all I saw was Ram> Ford. Where is the Chevy?

 

[2Driver]

Supercab Fords have a decent rear seat. I have one

Supercab, short bed if you want short wheelbase and 4 doors.

 

[CLdrinker]

Haha all I saw was Ram> Ford. Where is the Chevy?

I skipped it since the OP already had 2 Fords do he is likely leaning to another Ford. Do I only mentioned that the Ram was way better at one of his criteria. I did verify that the Chevy wasn’t best.

What’s funny is 2 other people post that the turning radius is unknown like it’s some kind of rocket science.

Google is hard.

 

[240Hallett]

So as far as turning radius it is…
Dodge - 48.2’
Chevy - 52.7’
Ford - 55.3’

Where do they measure that?
Is that the radius or the outside diameter that they could turn inside of?

 

[Looking Glass]

I skipped it since the OP already had 2 Fords do he is likely leaning to another Ford. Do I only mentioned that the Ram was way better at one of his criteria. I did verify that the Chevy wasn’t best.

What’s funny is 2 other people post that the turning radius is unknown like it’s some kind of rocket science.

Google is hard.

Kid of like the Stock Market.

 

[HNL2LHC]

Where do they measure that?
Is that the radius or the outside diameter that they could turn inside of?

I just grabbed the numbers from this post above. https://www.riverdavesplace.com/for...-quarter-ton-diesel-truck.306714/post-5391674 I assume by reading it is the outer diameter of the area the vehicle needs to complete a circle. You following along to gather info to replace the blue beast of yours?

 

[Don65]

If your looking at buying the Ford, might want to do it before the tariffs hit

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2025/03/all-ford-super-duty-engines-to-be-hit-with-u-s-import-tariffs/

 

[rivermobster]

You have to look at the manufacturer website to get accurate information...

https://www.ford.com/trucks/super-duty/models/f250-xlt/

I don't see that Ford publishes the curb to curb (turning radius) spec, due to their being so many different options.

I did Ford. You guys can look up the other trucks.

 

[Ladsm]

I was getting tired of my 2005 Dodge 5.9HO Cummins. After reading this I like it again.

 

[530RL]

According to the data, if maintained properly modern diesels are more reliable, more efficient and more powerful than older diesels.

Yet many believe modern diesels are junk.

Reminds me of when fuel injection came out. Everyone said the carburetor could never be replaced.

 

[CLdrinker]

As the owner of a gas F250 and reading the OP’s use case.

I would recommend a Ram 2500 6.4 8speed.
The 6.4 is just as reliable as the 7.3. But the 8 speed is much smoother. Given only needing to pull 10k Ram is the way to go and it rides better. The Ford will run circles around it though.

Now given the OP’s plane collection I don’t think he needs to pinch Pennie’s on a gasser. Go Ram Diesel.

 

[Xring01]

According to the data, if maintained properly modern diesels are more reliable, more efficient and more powerful than older diesels.

Yet many believe modern diesels are junk.

Reminds me of when fuel injection came out. Everyone said the carburetor could never be replaced.

So I guess all my neighbors (read my prior post in this thread) are the “out lyers”, who all happened to move to the same area, another out lyer????

We will agree to disagree on this topic…

 

[LuckyStrike]

OK guys. I know this is a can of worms loaded question with 1000 different answers but I’m gonna put it out there.
I’ve owned Ford diesel trucks. Dodge diesel trucks. And many Chevy gas trucks.
Currently have 2 F150 Platinum Hybrids that I love. (1 in MT and 1 in AZ ) But feeling the need for a bigger tow vehicle in AZ.
I want something as short as possible, as maneuverable as possible, wishing that it was the size of my crew cab short bed F150.

Crew cab shortest bed Diesel Loaded
4x4
Ford F250?
Chevy or GMC 2500
Dodge 2500

Who builds the shortest overall length three-quarter ton crew cab? Really hard to get a solid information on that. Reading 231.8 inches ?

Best parking/turning radius , best Towing. smoothest ride, I Really like my massaging seats.
Most reliable,Best dash Screen best cameras
All the bells and whistles and gadgets

Thanks for the input !

Chevy 4500 single cab short wheel base Was pricing out a new 4 door one this morning Im going to trade or sell outright my old one 07 I bought brand new at Courtesy Chevy In Phx

 

[hallett21]

So I guess all my neighbors (read my prior post in this thread) are the “out lyers”, who all happened to move to the same area, another out lyer????

We will agree to disagree on this topic…

I read about the problems online. Everyone I know hasn’t had any issues (other than a faulty sensor here and there). Seems like the biggest issues come from not getting the trucks up to temp and running them for a minimum of 30-45 mins.

 

[Justsomeguy]

My opinion.
The only reason to go with newer diesel trucks is because you have to tow more than the “gas” models are rated at.

Why do I think this way. The modern diesels have all kinds of systems that lead to high failure rates. Hopefully the 2025 models are alot better than the 2023 models…

I will re iterate 2 of my neighbors, both with newer trucks.
Neighbor 1 - guessing its 2022 totally loaded Ram Cummings 2500… Put 14000 lb load behing that truck… and life if good. Drive that thing from Reno to Washington with that load… no problem what so ever. Disconnect that load and drive into town to have dinner. Goes into limp mode withn 8 miles. Literally spent more time at the dealer module swapping than at his house. Very close to getting lemoned lawed… VERY…. But he 100% deleted it about 4 months ago… And Life is GOOD>

Neighbor 2 - guessing he had 2021 F250 Platinum. He owns a earth moving company…and use’s the fuck out of his truck and equipment. At 120,000 miles ish… He came over to grab my code scanner to clear codes. Does that about once a month. This time.. Codes would not clear and it was running like shit. He took it to the dealer to get it fixed. And started shopping for a new one… The mechanic found him on the lot, and asked him why he likes to park his truck over camp fires… And walked him to the back to see his truck on a lift…
That truck was totaled. Like dont pass go. Exhaust system plugged up big time… and literally cooked the chasis/frame Etc all due to the heat.

I have had a couple of GMC 2500 diesels… First was 2002 which I sold 275,000 miles ish.. awesome, basic front end issues at 150,000 and the o ring on the diesel priming pump which I swapped out, minor minor issues. Never left me stranded. Currently have a 2016 GMC 2500… fully deleted and its a beast… I would have never bought my 2016 if it wasn’t deleted. My sons friend built this truck for his own use, graduated with a Mechanical ENgineering degree… and was issued a brand new 2022 GMC 2500 Denali as his work truck. So he had 2… decided to sell the 2016 to raise $$$ to buy a house. I bought with a 90,000 ish and it probably has 115K now. No problems what so ever.

Neighbor 3 has 2018 Dodge 2500 Cummins… grenaded the transmission @ 85000miles… rarely tows anything.

I prefer Chevy/GMC primarily due to the Allison. If you delete a modern 6.6 or buy one that 2006 or prior, they are extremely reliable in my opinion.

If you do have to own a diesel, then buy one with out all the crap which can/will fail…2007 or prior. If you can delete them. I prefer Chevys but then Dodges over Fords. But both have the strenghts/weakness’s. Neither has a tranny as good as an Allison.

Thats my opinion… I know it will offend lots of peeps… as you can see, when I am spending that kind of money, even for used trucks. Reliability is #1 on my list. With out that, then I risk fucking up a critical family vacation. Which only comes around once per year. If its not reliable, and I cant trust it, then I will not own it. But thats me. Yes eventually my truck will let me down, like they all do. But I do my best to get reliable trucks and I PERSONALLY MAINTAIN THEM. I do every oil change, fuel filter, air filters etc etc etc. I dont trust dealers of Jiffy lubes with my truck. Owe hell no.

Wow I had not really heard of any emissions issues with the ford. They seemed to have had their system far exceed the other 2. GMs emissions system on the lml, like your 2016 and my 12. The l5p was better but still had issues. Without a doubt if he's deleting a think the dmax is a solid motor and virtually unchanged since it's creation. Well the block anyway and it's fairly similar across the board with some changes.

You are right about dodge and their trans. Which is why I put the ford over the. Dodge in my book.

According to the data, if maintained properly modern diesels are more reliable, more efficient and more powerful than older diesels.

Yet many believe modern diesels are junk.

Reminds me of when fuel injection came out. Everyone said the carburetor could never be replaced.

I would normally agree with you. And in unmolested form that's a true statement. Problem is, crap was added to them before it was ready. The emissions components fail. They just do. It's a fact both anecdotal and over a large sample size. Look at literally any diesel forum and talk to anyone with one. If they have been in its likely emissions related.

They are definitely more powerful. They incetors and ecms do burn more efficiently and you have more control over parameters in the mapping. Lml injectors are fully electric. Compared to prior solenoid style injectors. The fact remains the parts added there after the design to meet standards fail. When they fail it's unfair the cost to fix. You can have just as clean diesel now without all that if it's tuned properly to properly burn fuel.

All the dpf is doing is catching sunburnt fuel in the form of soot. It then re burns that during regen. Which it will do more frequently the older it gets thereby burning more fossil fuel. Add def. Which is injected down stream. Which causes it's own set of relibility problems. Starting with crystallization of the def itself messing the system up. To def heaters going out all the time. To the plastic jugs they come in. Remove all said problems and yes you have a very powerful reliable diesel. Until the headgasket craps the bed. But the inside will look nothing like that of one with all that stuff. Those will be full of caked on soot blocking everything. Those without. Clean and ready for life fairly easily. Pistons will also look far better.

Do people eat their own crap? No because it's disgusting and literally terrible for you and would cause all sorts of health issues. But we expect these diesels to do just that.

 

[Xring01]

I read about the problems online. Everyone I know hasn’t had any issues (other than a faulty sensor here and there). Seems like the biggest issues come from not getting the trucks up to temp and running them for a minimum of 30-45 mins.

Wow… go down the youtube rabbit hole on any brand and the problems people are having…
Massive problems…

Thats the reason why most want to delete all that crap to their trucks run better and alot more reliable…

I am serious… I would never own my truck, if it had all the 2016 emissions crap that Chevy put on it… NEVER… I posted that many times over the years on RDP… BEFORE I BOUGHT IT…

Again… I bought my truck fully deleted & built used…

This is a great video… This guy has a very popular youtube channel just on fixing diesel issues.

 

[mbrown2]

I would ask Chat GPT ...you would get better answer there... But if it were me I would go 2500 RAM limited (Airbag suspension) has the best turning radius too.

Here’s what I found about the turning radii for these trucks:

• 2025 Ram 2500 Limited: The turning radius is approximately 22.7 feet.
• Ford F-250 Super Duty Platinum: Depending on the configuration, the turning radius ranges from 26.5 to 28.9 feet3.
• Chevy Silverado 2500: The turning radius varies between 23.5 and 28.5 feet, depending on the trim and model year.

 

[OLDRAAT]

Paul,
Go drive the top one's you are considering then decide.

 

[Justsomeguy]

Wow… go down the youtube rabbit hole on any brand and the problems people are having…
Massive problems…

Thats the reason why most want to delete all that crap to their trucks run better and alot more reliable…

I am serious… I would never own my truck, if it had all the 2016 emissions crap that Chevy put on it… NEVER… I posted that many times over the years on RDP… BEFORE I BOUGHT IT…

Again… I bought my truck fully deleted & built used…

This is a great video… This guy has a very popular youtube channel just on fixing diesel issues.

Truck masters is great if you own a duramax. He's a wealth of knowledge. His headgasket video was my manual for that project. Lol.

Of note. The epa announced diesel emissions roll backs. They will also be battle carb on the waiver. So the future is unknown.

 

[Xring01]

Truck masters is great if you own a duramax. He's a wealth of knowledge. His headgasket video was my manual for that project. Lol.

Of note. The epa announced diesel emissions roll backs. They will also be battle carb on the waiver. So the future is unknown.

EPA Roll back, would be awesome for the industry.
But I am still skeptical… will not believe it, until I truly see it.

 

[530RL]

So I guess all my neighbors (read my prior post in this thread) are the “out lyers”, who all happened to move to the same area, another out lyer????

We will agree to disagree on this topic…

No, I am certain they had problems exactly as stated.

I’m just pointing to the data.

For those who don’t like the data or believe it is false, they can certainly buy a gas based model.

 

[Bullhead bully]

How long do you plan to keep it?

That's another consideration if going gas or diesel. Most the guys I know trade them in every 3-5 years.

I had gas. Got great mpg unloaded on the highway. Now debating diesel. As I might buy a toyhauler or large enclosed.

Less than 5 years. I’m definitely going diesel

 

[NicPaus]

That F250 is at the dealership Bobby Williams works at. I would reach out to him if you go with Ford. He has been on the Glamis forum forever.

Check the price of the longest transferable warranty available. Trade in or sell the truck 1 year before it expires.

 

[rivermobster]

I would ask Chat GPT ...you would get better answer there... But if it were me I would go 2500 RAM limited (Airbag suspension) has the best turning radius too.

Here’s what I found about the turning radii for these trucks:

• 2025 Ram 2500 Limited: The turning radius is approximately 22.7 feet.
• Ford F-250 Super Duty Platinum: Depending on the configuration, the turning radius ranges from 26.5 to 28.9 feet3.
• Chevy Silverado 2500: The turning radius varies between 23.5 and 28.5 feet, depending on the trim and model year.

Depending on the configuration.

Noted.

 

[NicPaus]

Depending on the configuration.

Noted.

Yeah my regular cab can do a u turn in a much tighter space than my crew could. But both can do it in less than half your truck .
I remember the crew cab LB F350 with leaf spring front. My F450 was longer and would do a U turn in a 1/3 of the space.

This thread has me wanting to go test drive a new f250 just to see how the turning radius is.

 

[OC Mike]

Interesting thread.
Debates will go forever.
Let us know what you do.

 

[D19]

Wow… go down the youtube rabbit hole on any brand and the problems people are having…
Massive problems…

Thats the reason why most want to delete all that crap to their trucks run better and alot more reliable…

I am serious… I would never own my truck, if it had all the 2016 emissions crap that Chevy put on it… NEVER… I posted that many times over the years on RDP… BEFORE I BOUGHT IT…

Again… I bought my truck fully deleted & built used…

This is a great video… This guy has a very popular youtube channel just on fixing diesel issues.

Is there a full delete option on the 2024 Duramax? Last time I deleted a Duramax, it was easy to find stuff. It’s not that way anymore.

 

[530RL]

Yeah my regular cab can do a u turn in a much tighter space than my crew could. But both can do it in less than half your truck .
I remember the crew cab LB F350 with leaf spring front. My F450 was longer and would do a U turn in a 1/3 of the space.

This thread has me wanting to go test drive a new f250 just to see how the turning radius is.

My 24 definitely turns tighter than my 17 in the same configuration of crew cab with short box.

 

[rivermobster]

Yeah my regular cab can do a u turn in a much tighter space than my crew could. But both can do it in less than half your truck .
I remember the crew cab LB F350 with leaf spring front. My F450 was longer and would do a U turn in a 1/3 of the space.

This thread has me wanting to go test drive a new f250 just to see how the turning radius is.

Well...

Chebby uses those pussy CV front ends. As previously mentioned, a CV will always turn tighter than a real front end, so no surprise that the Chebby turns tighter than Ford or a Dodge. All other things being equal of course.

 

[rivermobster]

Interesting thread.
Debates will go forever.
Let us know what you do.

There is no debate. It's all about FACTS. Which some people chose to ignore.

 

[ChrisV]

Drive @Doc ‘s dually. Short bed Ram. It’s super nice

 

[NicPaus]

Drive @Doc ‘s dually. Short bed Ram. It’s super nice

What would you buy if you could pick any new truck?

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

If you want a better new Chevy diesel, check out the medium duty line. Turning radius like the Ford F450s and the L5P is de-rated a tad. Also the hood on these makes maintenance access a breeze.

Not sure which dealerships sell them but I don't think you'd find any sitting on a lot. Might have to order them as they probably come without the bed for an upfitter to customize.

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

Well...

Chebby uses those pussy CV front ends. As previously mentioned, a CV will always turn tighter than a real front end, so no surprise that the Chebby turns tighter than Ford or a Dodge. All other things being equal of course.

I pulled alot more fords with broken front end shit out of the dunes then I ever did chevys. With my "pussy CVs"

 

[rivermobster]

I pulled alot more fords with broken front end shit then I ever did chevys. With my "pussy CVs"

Sure you did...

Cause Chebby Never had a problem with those pesky old ball joints either right?

 

[ChrisV]

What would you buy if you could pick any new truck?

I’m short so definitely an f450 limited with the Carli suspension. BigDickEnergy

But I’ve installed a lift kit on one and it drove amazing. Sold me.

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

Sure you did...

Cause Chebby Never had a problem with those pesky old ball joints either right?

Honestly, yes I did pull more fords out then chevys


I never had an issue with CVs or ball joints in my '97 or my '04. I did have to replace the hub assembly/wheel bearings on both. Both were the passenger side

 

[rivermobster]

Honestly, yes I did pull more fords out then chevys


I never had an issue with CVs or ball joints in my '97 or my '04. I did have to replace the hub assembly/wheel bearings on both. Both were the passenger side

Out of where exactly??

 

[NicPaus]

I’m short so definitely an f450 limited with the Carli suspension. BigDickEnergy

But I’ve installed a lift kit on one and it drove amazing. Sold me.

I just watched a video comparison of the platinum and limited. I would agree. F450 Limted in Silver for me. That interior is over the top nice.

 

[NicPaus]

Out of where exactly??

He mentioned dunes and lives in Oregon. So probably there.

My Buddy had a 05 Duramax on 39" projects with bead locks. I recall recovery missions in the dunes behind Osborne. Dropping in to the big bowls. I had a 06 Duramax on 40s at the time. Camping anywhere I wanted. I could show up Wednesday of Thanksgiving weekend. And I pulled out a few Fords. My F350 crew did great as well in the sand but had to be aired down

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

Out of where exactly??

The dunes. Most of the time because because they didnt air down and front wheels would start wheel hop in the front and blow out hubs or break axles or u-joints.

 

[DoughBallin14]

All i know is if this epa deregulation and acts get passed more now that the endangerment act studies were basically bs, which will basically rid of all the smog crap and the first brand to release a truck without the def and dpf etc ill be buying!!

Until then ill enjoy my 24’ sierra at4 3500 6.6 gas truck.

If you wanna look into the epa and carb deregulation stay up to date on youtube Tk garage

 

[Justsomeguy]

I just watched a video comparison of the platinum and limited. I would agree. F450 Limted in Silver for me. That interior is over the top nice.

Matched with Carli like Chris said. I would absolutely do a Ford if I was buying right now and I own a dmax with a fairly built front end. It's not even close. What I spent on my front end vs what you get out of a Ford with Carli. It's kind of depressing to think about sometimes.

I've never seen a Ford broken front end but it apparently happens. But I have seen tie rods bend. Not mine of course. I have uniball uppers as I don't trust ball joints. Wish my lower was also.

To get out of a Chevy what you get from a Carli you would need like kibbietech or lsk or something with a coil conversion at a minimum. Which is more available now then it was when I did mine.

 

[rivermobster]

The dunes. Most of the time because because they didnt air down and front wheels would start wheel hop in the front and blow out hubs or break axles or u-joints.

Well that's not exactly the fault of the vehicle now, is it?

That's sheer stupidity sitting behind the driver's seat!

Anyone that takes a 3/4 or 1 ton truck out in the dunes, deserves whatever they get!

You're close to Coos Bay if memory serves. Or was it Spinreel?

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

Well that's not exactly the fault of the vehicle now, is it?

That's sheer stupidity sitting behind the driver's seat!

Anyone that takes a 3/4 or 1 ton truck out in the dunes, deserves whatever they get!

You're close to Coos Bay if memory serves. Or was it Spinreel?

Never did I say it was the fault of the vehicle. You just assumed

You were calling out "pussy CV's" sooo...

The majority of the trucks i have owned were 3/4t or 1t and seen more dune time then most.

I was born in coos bay and lived from Winchester Bay to North Bend with the majority of the time I lived in Hauser. Actually just sold the 18 achers I grew up on in Hauser 2 years ago.

But yes stupid people behind the wheel that came from "the city" with more $ then brains was mostly the issue. I was just making comment to the "pussy CV" comment cause I know you are a Ford guy but definitely true I seen more ford break them chevys

 

[02HoWaRd26]

These threads make me love my 2013 so much more!