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RiverDave

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I'm going to go straight to hell for this I already know.. LOL

1st let me qualify what I'm about to say so when you come at me with the torches and pitchforks at least you'll think twice about stringing me up by my nuts.

I have never asked for a donation to run this board.. 100's of people have offered and I have always declined. To be quite honest I can't even afford to pay attention at this point, and to run this place equates to me having another car payment each month. I still won't ask, if nothing else out of sheer pride or stupidity I'm not sure which at this point.

I have always felt that if your going to give money you should get something in return for it.. A t-shirt, whatever.

I'm going to follow this up with another "qualifying" story. My mom wanted to get a memorial bench for my dad. There about a 1000 bucks.. Well then she had to have it in this one particular park that my dad liked by the airport. Well the park is privately owned, and by the time that all shook out it was 7000 bucks. She asked me to put a thing on here to ask for donations because it's a shit pot full of money for what it is. I never did it, because it just didn't seem right to me to ask other people for money for our cause kinda deal. That and I know my dad wouldn't have done it if he was alive. (Granted if he was alive we wouldn't need the fockin bench, but that's a whole different chicken or the egg conversation)

That being said the boating community is a big one, and I've just come to the conclusion that something really shitty is gonna happen to someone about once a month.. Cancer, death, suicide, other terrible shit that I can't even think of right now... It it has all happened, and will continue to happen.

So I'm thinking today, what happens if I donate 100 bucks to the cancer society? It's a multi billion dollar a year industry at this point.. My donation makes such little impact that nobody will ever notice it. I can't say my 100 bucks did "this." All the charity in the world that this board brings in does very little on a larger scale.. So I'd like to change the direction of that to helping smaller causes, a lot more.

This is a grass roots website, and there's only so much generosity to go around. I'm going to ask that from next week on if that if we're going to be asking for donations for anything on here that it goes directly to a local / personal cause. Preferrably a boating / offroad / racing / save the trails / fight the noise laws kinda cause..

Things that would be acceptable on here

I'll expand on that..

A good one would be if you want to help a local cause.. Buying one of the raffle tickets from Firecracker to send them to australia to represent the USA. Every dollar earned goes directly to paying for the trip. 100 bucks will make a huge difference to them.

Another good example, would be hey we're going to put together a race team for the __________ and we're looking for some sponsors (this is applicable to ANYBODY but Squirtin thunder) Something we're every dollar goes directly into the result. A couple hundred bucks can make a huge difference to a small team getting started.

Some boat racer crashes at the drags and they are raising money for ________ (hospital, family, flowers, you name it) and you want to throw them a couple of bones.. Absolutely.

No Butt No Putt's g/f's son Brody had some issues. The money donated went into their gas tank to help offset the cause of driving to pheonix etc.. That would be a another good one.

If you want to have some large cause to donate too.. Then find out whomever it is that is fighting to preserve our rights as boaters or offroaders and donate to that.. Even that would be acceptable to me.

Raising money for huge causes though.. Our pissant donations make little if any difference. Even if you raise 10 grand in the name of breast cancer (which would be my cause.. My mom had it) once you give the check.. about a nickel on each dollar actually goes to research, and again in a billion dollar industry nobody will notice.

I'd rather focus our limited supply of charity, energy, and effort into something that will make a larger scale difference, on a smaller problem.
 

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Look at you getting all sentimental and shit....:skull

Really nice post Dave....:):)
 

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I totally agree with you Dave. I think that is an awesome direction to go with things of this sort. You are right on that small causes need the most and it takes little to make a huge difference.

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I'll buy a pitchfork.
I guess it's a good cause........;)
 

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Dave, I think that's a good plan. :thumbsup

I had a family member commit suicide.....I donated money a national suicide prevention organization.

I had a good friend with diabetes, I donated money to a national diabetes organization.

There was an "expert" on health care reform on Fox news yesterday. He says most of the money these huge organizations get is used on administration, raising more money, and lobbying congress to give better benefits (i.e. our tax money) to their "disease". That means higher insurance premiums and more taxes.

The bottom line is....the more "local" the better. Like Dave says, $100 to a local cause that is close to us makes a real difference. $100 to some national organization usually just makes you another patsy.

Good "new rule"!

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Dave, you won't be "going straight to hell" for this idea. If anything, you might have just got a couple of bouns points for the good side..:thumbsup
 

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Good, focused plan.
Count on us.
 

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:thumbsup Great idea but............. RD Sux... :D
 

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At the same time, I like to control what I donate money to. If somebody besides me makes a decision where my money goes then it's no bueno for me. If people want to post up why they want a donation, good for them. I'll tell ya that I'd give to cancer many times but would pass on race team sponshorship most of the times as well.

I feel sorry for union members that give their dues just to have the union advertise and donate to things they don't agree with. I bet you were wondering how this could turn into and anti-union thread and there you have it. ;)
 

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At the same time, I like to control what I donate money to. If somebody besides me makes a decision where my money goes then it's no bueno for me. If people want to post up why they want a donation, good for them. I'll tell ya that I'd give to cancer many times but would pass on race team sponshorship most of the times as well.

I feel sorry for union members that give their dues just to have the union advertise and donate to things they don't agree with. I bet you were wondering how this could turn into and anti-union thread and there you have it. ;)

I'm not telling you what to donate your money too.. I'm telling you what is acceptable to spam my board with. :)

You wondered how I was going to make this not abuot unions in one posts.. There ya have it. :D

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dave, i (we) would've pitched in to get your mom that bench in memory of your father -- for all you do for everyone with this non-profit internet site ... all you had to do was ask ?? i think you'd be suprised how many people would've stepped up and helped out your family :cool: ?? (and rules sux ;)) d-no
 

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dave, i (we) would've pitched in to get your mom that bench in memory of your father -- for all you do for everyone with this non-profit internet site ... all you had to do was ask ?? i think you'd be suprised how many people would've stepped up and helped out your family :cool: ?? (and rules sux ;)) d-no

I know you would've... I wouldn't have felt right asking for it.

RD
 

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I agree, Dave. If I give $100 to the Red Cross they'll waste it. If I give $20 to some hitchhiker, it goes right to the person who needs it, and is not deductible.
Having said that, charities "screen" people who get benefits. We will have to depend on each other to screen people.
 

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Sumone get this man a beer. :D

Killer idea dave.
 

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I like the idea also, maybe if there's time and its a really worth cause have a fun event invloved with it to collect some funds. Could be something as simple as a night of beer drinking at Hooters or something else most people like to do anyway.

Not all big charities keep most of the money - Toys for Tots has always been my favorite.
 

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Great idea. I've always made my charitable donations to local causes. Never to the Big Boys. Case in point:

As a pet lover and (former) Search K9 handler, I wanted to give to animal welfare and similar groups. Not PETA or animal "activist" groups, but those that run shelters, breed rescue and similar.

While researching, I found out that the National "Humane Society" is closely bonded with PETA and puts most of the donations into activism, lobbying and propaganda. But every locality has private, charitable, or county/city run shelters. And all of the donations are tax deductible.

If you're a pet lover and want to help, check out the local shelters. Here in Parker we have "ARF". The Animal Relief Fund. While the name sounds kind of ominous and animal whacko sounding, that's definitely not the case. It supports out local shelter through buying food, spay and neuter service, and enables the resident dogs and cats to survive a little longer until they can be adopted, and not just put down after a few days.

Keep it local, so you KNOW that your contributions are doing some good and not just lining the pockets of some corporate charity fat cats.
 

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Good idea RD.

Anyone care to start donating to the RitcheyRch is outta work fund. :D :D

I'm kidding of course.
 
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Stuff/Thing's like like this make me like this website more than I already do!:D :champagne: ;)
 

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Dave, I get what you're sayin and agree. But am shocked that you even had to bring it up.
 

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Dave, you're more of a monument to your father than a bench could ever be. When I read your posts, I know part of what I'm reading is the embodiment of your Dad.

I don't need to have known your pops to know he was a great man. All I have to do is watch how you conduct yourself.
 

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Dave, you're more of a monument to your father than a bench could ever be. When I read your posts, I know part of what I'm reading is the embodiment of your Dad.

I don't need to have known your pops to know he was a great man. All I have to do is watch how you conduct yourself.

Oh make no mistake Tom.. LOL We bought the bench. :D I just didn't feel like asking for donations for it, I thought it'd be kinda rude (given what it was for)

RD
 

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When Katrina hit New Orleans, I was getting all kinds of stuff asking for donations in the mail, phone calls, you name it. My response was I already donated.

I bought a $500.00 gift card to Target. I wish I could have gave more at the time. It went to my cousin who lost everything that was in her apartment, the only thing she had left was her car and what she could put in it. I knew my donation was going to someone that could benefit from it and not some huge organization where it would be pennies on the dollar.

I like the way you think Dave!!
 

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I'm going to go straight to hell for this I already know.. LOL


Raising money for huge causes though.. Our pissant donations make little if any difference. Even if you raise 10 grand in the name of breast cancer (which would be my cause.. My mom had it) once you give the check.. about a nickel on each dollar actually goes to research, and again in a billion dollar industry nobody will notice.

I'd rather focus our limited supply of charity, energy, and effort into something that will make a larger scale difference, on a smaller problem.

Good post but, your local YMCA annual fund raisers 90%+ will be used for the cause. My wife has walked 3 half marathons with Time in Training (they raise money for Cancer research) in excess of 90% of their money raised goes to directly to research. Lastly, I belong to a local group that has raised over $ 900,000 in the past 11 yrs and 100% of the money the 60 guys and I have raised has been used to help the less fortunate in our community.

Just saying you have to look at who/whom you give money to. I don't give to the Red-Cross or the United Way they are both "Big Business".

Sleeper CP :D
 

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How about giving your time to local stuff? There are a lot of local groups that need bodies to do stuff.
 

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Oh make no mistake Tom.. LOL We bought the bench. :D I just didn't feel like asking for donations for it, I thought it'd be kinda rude (given what it was for)

RD

Shit I could of built you a nice Bench! N/C too!
 

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Alright Gramps I'll bite.. "What do you mean?"

RD


Volunteer Fire departments, Care centers (old folks homes), schools are always looking for help. my wife shops for an elderly neighbor that cannot drive nor get out of her house, she is 45 mils from town and everybody and thier brother that wants to "help" her wants to charge her just to pick up a damm jug of milk. Those sor of folks need help and don't have fie money to buy it. that's the sort of stuff I'm talking about Dave.
 

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How about a local fire dept ''Station 118'' that any one of us may need while out on the water from Topock to the Springs, or driving in on the Cali side from Needles to 10. This dept is always needing help or donations to keep the Fire dept going, especially in these economic times with San Bernadino county cutting everything they can.
 

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I wasn't starting the thread looking g for more charity or generosity from the board.. LOL. We have plenty of both. ;).

I was just stating for the future it takes so little to make a big impact on a smaller problem that I (rdp). Will be focussing more on that in the future.

Rd
 

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I think this is a fine idea Dave and I don't think it'll cause you to go to hell! I think that was determined a long time ago, but this and some of your other attitudes might slow the descent!
Chuck
 

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I wasn't starting the thread looking g for more charity or generosity from the board.. LOL. We have plenty of both. ;).

I was just stating for the future it takes so little to make a big impact on a smaller problem that I (rdp). Will be focussing more on that in the future.

Rd

RD-Thank you!!! It was very generous of you to let Firecracker post the raffle on your forum. I am Firecracker's mom. You are 100% right about making a bigger difference among our friends here. Firecracker has been doing updates and results on the SCSC web site free for a couple of years now. It is a way she can help the circle boat racers out. Very few people know she does this. Yes it is small-but nobody has to pay for it to be done. She also donated art work to auctioned at a fellow boater's fund raiser. Many people have seen the good come from the generous boating community. So many of the people in this very small community are good hard working individuals. Thanks RD.
 

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I think this is great. There are many more small people out htere who need help. Especially in this struggling economy. When times are good, people are less reluctant to drop $100. But right now people are counting their pennies and with good reason.

Thank you very much for all of your help and support RD! :thumbsup
 

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So, lemme get this straight. You're spending big bucks each month on this board and you're not yet asking for donations to help you keep this thing running? Is that correct?

Dave, put a link up on the site to your PayPal info and let us donate some coin to your site!

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Great idea Dave....

A friend of mine has started something allong those lines that's really cool. He has a party once a month with gambling tables (blackjack, Roulette, craps, etc.). The proceeds go to whichever immediate friend or family that's fallen on hard times (job loss, foreclosure, car accident, etc.). Money gets split if there's more than 1. It's a great way to know that a small donation is having a huge impact on someones life.
 
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RD,

Got any ideas where you want your bench??? (just in case):D

I'd rather see "RD SUXS" on a billboard in Parker....anyone want to pitch in?:D
 

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Dave, Do you have a list of website links to the organizations to donate for? That way we know that we are donating our money to the right place (the primary organization or charity). For instance, if I wanted to donate money to fight the noise, I wouldn't know where to go to donate money for that. Maybe a new sticky thread is in order?
 

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We'll usually donate.

Our gripe is why do they need all our personal information?

Here's how it goes: We donate, we are branded "responders", and our mailbox and e mails are jamm'd with all kinds of agencies asking for money.
And our telephone rings despite being on the National Do Not Call list.

We're going to limit our donations to specific RDP member requests, & where our personal information is not requested.
A legit gripe.
 

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Am I not getting this or is Dave saying not to have more donations from the members, but to keep the donation threads whittled down to smaller board member help type situations??:hmm
 
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I'm assuming most of the donations will not be a tax write-off...not that it matters to me, since 100 percent will go to some one in need of help, as opposed to 90 percent going to pay someones salary.
 

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Am I not getting this or is Dave saying not to have more donations from the members, but to keep the donation threads whittled down to smaller board member help type situations??:hmm


I was saying as a small community of people we have very little impact on contributing to huge problems like curing cancer or other ailments.

In the meantime we could do a lot of good for a lot of people and our rising sport / hobby.

So in short boat racing is dieing. Ski racing is dieing. Offeoad racing is dieing. As boating enthusiasts someone is always fighting to limit our freedoms etc...

We as a community should be more focussed on solving minor problems and contributing to the preservation of our passion as these goals are much smaller. We can make a difference on a smaller level.

RD
 

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I was saying as a small community of people we have very little impact on contributing to huge problems like curing cancer or other ailments.

In the meantime we could do a lot of good for a lot of people and our rising sport / hobby.

So in short boat racing is dieing. Ski racing is dieing. Offeoad racing is dieing. As boating enthusiasts someone is always fighting to limit our freedoms etc...

We as a community should be more focussed on solving minor problems and contributing to the preservation of our passion as these goals are much smaller. We can make a difference on a smaller level.

RD

I had a translator take a look at this and he agreed that we said the same thing....:D
 
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