New job site Waldorf Astoria

[BHC Vic]

Got to work an hour early [emoji57] figured I'd post a thread on the new job. It's in Beverly Hills right next to the Beverly Hilton. It's a cool job all light gauge pretty basic framing so im able to really get a nice pace and jam. It's 14 stories w the glass only
On the bottom floors right now so a lot open. Reminds me of my first job site the Ritz at la live. Pretty big crew and w that we get a lot of new guys and hacks. Hard to understand some of the work I've already seen [emoji85]. The only thing that sucks about this job is the hours. It's really not too many miles from chino but starting at 745 and getting off at 415 is horrible. It's the same Saturday so traffic coming isn't bad but I'm sure driving home today will be horrible. Anyways here's a couple pics I'll try to keep them coming as I do different projects and the job progresses. Right now I'm doing all the lids in the suites. Pretty gravy. Should be at this job a good while.
Any walls or columns that attach to my kid I frame.
View from my floors
View in traffic [emoji12]

 

[BHC Vic]

Time to get it girl [emoji136]

 

[rivrrts429]

Nice job, Vic. I had a ton of equipment on that job. Not sure if much now?

 

[zhandfull]

How do they handle worker parking on these projects? Assuming someone has to pay for it. Is it paid by the company or each worker?

 

[Bobby V]

How do they handle worker parking on these projects? Assuming someone has to pay for it. Is it paid by the company or each worker?

The contractor includes it in his bid for most job sites. Or the employee turns in his receipt for the parking.

Vic Beverly Hills start times have always sucked. :grumble:

 

[plaster dave]

The contractor includes it in his bid for most job sites. Or the employee turns in his receipt for the parking.

Vic Beverly Hills start times have always sucked. :grumble:

Yep. I don't even know how they are working on a Saturday.

 

[Advantage 1]

Nice, V.

90210 :thumbup:

 

[sirbob]

Hey, is that ...

Trader Vic's [emoji12]

 

[Luvnlife]

How do they handle worker parking on these projects? Assuming someone has to pay for it. Is it paid by the company or each worker?

Most of the reputable companies pay for your parking, my outfit reimburses the workers. There are however quite a few that make the workers pay. Their guys are usually pissed about it of course cause it could be a easy fifty or sixty a week. I'm sure all companies include it in the bid but that's profit if they keep it. Most of the companies that don't pay for parking are non Union outfits. I'm not going to name them but a couple electrical and plumbing companies come to mind. And no it's not because it's in the union contract[emoji482]

 

[BHC Vic]

Yup. It's usually either validated or we send in out receipts. Right now I'm parking in the Hilton it's 40 a day [emoji16] luckily we are validated because sometimes sending receipts is a hassle. Parking is negotiated in our union contract but I forget what it says

 

[VoodooMedMan]

Well you shouldn't be there in 2018

 

[BHC Vic]

Well you shouldn't be there in 2018

I'll be here till Christmas [emoji22]

 

[VoodooMedMan]

I'll be here till Christmas [emoji22]

Better than Christmas 2017

 

[riverroyal]

Typical is over over 1/4 mile there's a shuttle. Also reimbursed to a certain price. If a lot one block down is cheap but you feel some need to park next door for 40,,, well tough shit your on your own
There is still walk out time for some guys also. At your car at 3. Not for us, work til 3 then walk is on your own time

 

[BHC Vic]

Soffits don't get any straighter [emoji12]

 

[PVHCA]

Hilton owns the W.A. group, they are building/remodeling like crazy.

 

[BHC Vic]

Hilton owns the W.A. group, they are building/remodeling like crazy.

Yup this whole corner or Santa Monica and Wilshire

 

[rivergames]

Ha! Right now, I'm working on finalizing my bid for that project. We do quite a bit of work with the GC.

 

[BHC Vic]

Ha! Right now, I'm working on finalizing my bid for that project. We do quite a bit of work with the GC.

I had an issue w Matt before glad the forgot about it [emoji4]

 

[TBulger]

Thanks Vic.

 

[Bobby V]

I had an issue w Matt before glad the forgot about it [emoji4]

Matt Construction is the GC.?

Who is doing the fire sprinklers.?

 

[rivergames]

Matt Construction is the GC.?

Who is doing the fire sprinklers.?

Yes. It's a Matt job :thumbsup

 

[BHC Vic]

Matt Construction is the GC.?

Who is doing the fire sprinklers.?

Not sure... they are on the upper floors. I'll find out

 

[Bobby V]

Not sure... View attachment 477387 they are on the upper floors. I'll find out

I see they are using flex heads. They are to supposed to save time on the finish work for when the ceiling framing goes in.

 

[Yellowboat]

I see they are using flex heads. They are to supposed to save time on the finish work for when the ceiling framing goes in.

I bet they do. I could see them saving a few man hours, between all trades. that's $$$$$$$

 

[Bobby V]

I bet they do. I could see them saving a few man hours, between all trades. that's $$$$$$$

Only problem with flex heads is some buildings don't allow them and you need to prove that they work properly opposed to steel pipe. They are also about $25 a piece.

 

[Yellowboat]

$25 is nothing. a hoursaved pays for that 3 times.

 

[Bobby V]

$25 is nothing. a hoursaved pays for that 3 times.

Yes it does save money if done right. Problem is engineering needs to get it right or they are worthless.

Some jobs they aren't worth the extra $$$$

 

[Hammer]

Yes it does save money if done right. Problem is engineering needs to get it right or they are worthless.

Some jobs they aren't worth the extra $$$$

When do engineers/architects ever get it right? Lol

 

[Yellowboat]

When do engineers/architects ever get it right? Lol

when the money comes out of their pocket.


I have had architects select $2k+ wall sconces. I found something that was almost identical at lamps plus for $150


had another 1 insist that I need 1 1/2" sub floor for sheer factor, but 2 sheet of 3/4" ran 90 degrees from each other was no good, I need exactly 1 1/2" tg sub floor... only they don't make it.

 

[tb230razor]

I see they are using flex heads. They are to supposed to save time on the finish work for when the ceiling framing goes in.

We use the flex heads quite a bit and they do save a bunch of time. Simple to install[emoji1303]

 

[Bobby V]

We use the flex heads quite a bit and they do save a bunch of time. Simple to install[emoji1303]

We tried them on a T.I. at LAX. That job had so much duct work and close ceilings it was hard to make them offset the cost of the flex head. Who do you work for.?

 

[tb230razor]

We tried them on a T.I. at LAX. That job had so much duct work and close ceilings it was hard to make them offset the cost of the flex head. Who do you work for.?

That would definitely make it difficult. Work for Daart. You?

 

[Bobby V]

That would definitely make it difficult. Work for Daart. You?

Advance Fire in La Habra. Been there for over 30 years. Started as an apprentice. Now I'm a estimator. Are you 669. ? Richard Barrow works at Daart as a estimator. His father started Advance in 1969. His brother Brad used to work at Daart but now works for us.

 

[tb230razor]

Yes I'm 669. Might be 4 709 guys. 30 years is a long time man. Good for you. I'm at 17 years

 

[Bobby V]

Yes I'm 669. Might be 4 709 guys. 30 years is a long time man. Good for you. I'm at 17 years

I have 34 years total. We have 2 4 story buildings in Irvine that is in 669 territory that is starting in a month or so. If you know any fitters that are looking for work let me know. Your strike didn't last long.

 

[tb230razor]

I'll keep my ears open. Where? I'm running the Broadcom job in Irvine, 2 4 story buildings and Costco has the other two

 

[tb230razor]

I have 34 years total. We have 2 4 story buildings in Irvine that is in 669 territory that is starting in a month or so. If you know any fitters that are looking for work let me know. Your strike didn't last long.

Forgot to quote u on last response. Strike didn't last long thankfully. We signed so we were good to keep working. Seems like an ok deal

 

[Joker]

I have 34 years total. We have 2 4 story buildings in Irvine that is in 669 territory that is starting in a month or so. If you know any fitters that are looking for work let me know. Your strike didn't last long.

With the pace that pipe fitters move, that had to have seemed like 68 years.

 

[shintoooo]

With the pace that pipe fitters move, that had to have seemed like 68 years.

That makes sense cause Bobby is like 108 years old.

 

[Bobby V]

With the pace that pipe fitters move, that had to have seemed like 68 years.

:finger I'm a sprinkler fitter. Not a pipe fitter. :grumble:

That makes sense cause Bobby is like 108 years old.

:finger I'm 55.

I'll keep my ears open. Where? I'm running the Broadcom job in Irvine, 2 4 story buildings and Costco has the other two

Its off of Sand Canyon somewhere. Not my project. Its for the Irvine Company.

 

[Cray Paper]

Vic, there is almost zero interstitial space for ductwork, deep light fixtures and AV...might have missed it but didn't look like there were blind pockets either? How are they pushing air to the rooms?

Flex heads work great if you have a well coordinated MEP model and the clear space to install. Architects love to "align" ceiling mounted fixtures and sprinkler design isn't what drives it. Sprinkler dude usually is the last guy in to mount his stuff, doesn't matter what his drawing says he knows to align unless coverage isn't enough.

 

[BHC Vic]

Vic, there is almost zero interstitial space for ductwork, deep light fixtures and AV...might have missed it but didn't look like there were blind pockets either? How are they supplying air to the conference rooms?

Flex heads work great if you have a well coordinated MEP model and the clear space to install. Architects love to "align" ceiling mounted fixtures and sprinkler design isn't what drives it. Sprinkler dude usually is the last guy in to mount his stuff, doesn't matter what his drawing says he knows to align unless coverage isn't enough.

Their will be mecho shades installed later. Funny you brought that up. I am currently in charge of fixing air return issues. We have an answer so I'm addressing the issues now. I'll post some pics tomorrow of their "fix"

 

[Bobby V]

Vic, there is almost zero interstitial space for ductwork, deep light fixtures and AV...might have missed it but didn't look like there were blind pockets either? How are they pushing air to the rooms?

Flex heads work great if you have a well coordinated MEP model and the clear space to install. Architects love to "align" ceiling mounted fixtures and sprinkler design isn't what drives it. Sprinkler dude usually is the last guy in to mount his stuff, doesn't matter what his drawing says he knows to align unless coverage isn't enough.

There was some duct work in post #23. But not much room is right. Yes the architect thinks we can move the sprinklers around like potted plants but they don't always get there way.

Also you may not have the same codes in WA. for seismic. But another plus for the flex heads is they help with the seismic codes that some citied have adopted in regards to annular space around the fire sprinkler.

 

[Cray Paper]

There was some duct work in post #23. But not much room is right. Yes the architect thinks we can move the sprinklers around like potted plants but they don't always get there way.

Also you may not have the same codes in WA. for seismic. But another plus for the flex heads is they help with the seismic codes that some citied have adopted in regards to annular space around the fire sprinkler.

We have the same codes... even more so. I should take some pics of the project I am on now, but their is that dredded NDA agreement. All pipe connections allowed for 1'9" of lateral movement between the 6 structures.

 

[Cray Paper]

Their will be mecho shades installed later. Funny you brought that up. I am currently in charge of fixing air return issues. We have an answer so I'm addressing the issues now. I'll post some pics tomorrow of their "fix"

Design build MEP? Funny how those mechanical engineers think in the same fashion as architects....I'm guessing your contract is hard bid but theirs isn't...make sure you get the changes in writing from the GC, as well as all return air openings, access hatches...well you get the idea. Paint on the floor doesn't mean squat when carpet is installed and your PM is all over your ass as to why your not making money.

I say this coming from the GC side, albeit from a carpenters perspective.

 

[Bobby V]

We have the same codes... even more so. I should take some pics of the project I am on now, but their is that dredded NDA agreement. All pipe connections allowed for 1'9" of lateral movement between the 6 structures.

We use the metraflex steel braided loop fittings at our expansion joints.

 

[BHC Vic]

Design build MEP? Funny how those mechanical engineers think in the same fashion as architects....I'm guessing your contract is hard bid but theirs isn't...make sure you get the changes in writing from the GC, as well as all return air openings, access hatches...well you get the idea. Paint on the floor doesn't mean squat when carpet is installed and your PM is all over your ass as to why your not making money.

I say this coming from the GC side, albeit from a carpenters perspective.

Everything I'm doing is on a ticket. I framed a bunch of opening today. Had to move some stuff around the duct guys are way behind and lay their crap out after I'm done framing. Now that I know where it goes though I can miss it as we move forward. There's some issue w the light fixtures ass well I'll take pictures of. There's also some sprinklers in my way and w the little space I have no choice but to notch my studs and either add something on the back for strength or shoots clips or drops on both sides of the notch. We are using 3/4 inch pins that don't grab at all. Is real thin concrete w cables in it and if you hit them I guess they blow out the side of the building? I wasn't there when it happened. There's a bunch of blue bangers that were out in before the pour that I can anchor to. The pins are basically useless. I'm not comfortable w them holding any amount of weight.

 

[Bobby V]

Everything I'm doing is on a ticket. I framed a bunch of opening today. Had to move some stuff around the duct guys are way behind and lay their crap out after I'm done framing. Now that I know where it goes though I can miss it as we move forward. There's some issue w the light fixtures ass well I'll take pictures of. There's also some sprinklers in my way and w the little space I have no choice but to notch my studs and either add something on the back for strength or shoots clips or drops on both sides of the notch. We are using 3/4 inch pins that don't grab at all. Is real thin concrete w cables in it and if you hit them I guess they blow out the side of the building? I wasn't there when it happened. There's a bunch of blue bangers that were out in before the pour that I can anchor to. The pins are basically useless. I'm not comfortable w them holding any amount of weight.

Sounds like a post tension slab. That's probably why you see the blue paint marks on the bottom of the deck.

 

[BHC Vic]

Sounds like a post tension slab. That's probably why you see the blue paint marks on the bottom of the deck.

Yup that's what they called it [emoji106] I think this is a first time working on one for me