New diesel CARB law into effect July 2023

[Steve-o]

Anyone hear anything lately about the law passed in 2020 regarding diesels over 14,000 lbs. to be treated like the ones under that and have bi annual smog inspections? I know you can just transmit your OBD reading to the DMV or get an inspection. This was supposed to be in effect this month but haven’t heard a peep. There was word that personal recreational vehicles may be exempted.

 

[rivermobster]

What state?

You have a link to this 2020 law change?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

What state?

You have a link to this 2020 law change?

The CARB regime you live under only operates in one state .

 

[Steve-o]

ARSC News - Spring 2023 New Diesel Smog Check Requirements Coming Soon

The Bureau of Automotive Repair’s - Automotive Repair and Smog Check Newsletter Spring 2023 edition - New Diesel Smog Check Requirements Coming Soon.

www.bar.ca.gov

 

[Steve-o]

According to one article, they plan to setup at California border crossings for out of state vehicles to be inspected for California compliance regardless of which state you are registered in. If found out of compliance you have 90 days to fix or they can impound your vehicle.

 

[4Waters]

The CARB regime you live under only operates in one state .

States that use CARB regulations

Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
New Jersey
New York
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
Washington D.C.

 

[Cdog]

So I’ve been recruited into fleet sales for a Peterbilt dealer. Big changes coming in 2024.

Biden administration OKs California waivers to mandate electric trucks

The EPA approved two Clean Air Act waivers that will require truck manufacturers to accelerate their sales of zero-emission vehicles, giving California the authority to mandate...

www.fleetowner.com

 

[Wizard29]

ARSC News - Spring 2023 New Diesel Smog Check Requirements Coming Soon

The Bureau of Automotive Repair’s - Automotive Repair and Smog Check Newsletter Spring 2023 edition - New Diesel Smog Check Requirements Coming Soon.

www.bar.ca.gov

That one looks like it's for light duty diesels. I think you mean this one instead, although it gives limited details and says the twice per year smog bullshit starts in 2024.

ARSC News - Spring 2023 CARB Implements Heavy-Duty Vehicle Inspection and Maintenance Program

The Bureau of Automotive Repair’s - Automotive Repair and Smog Check Newsletter Spring 2023 edition - CARB Implements Heavy-Duty Vehicle Inspection and Maintenance Program.

www.bar.ca.gov

 

[Fun Times]

States that use CARB regulations

Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
New Jersey
New York
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
Washington D.C.

This is just totally awesome news only because finally California didn't make the list.

 

[rivermobster]

ARSC News - Spring 2023 New Diesel Smog Check Requirements Coming Soon

The Bureau of Automotive Repair’s - Automotive Repair and Smog Check Newsletter Spring 2023 edition - New Diesel Smog Check Requirements Coming Soon.

www.bar.ca.gov

I quit reading at 2007 and newer.

 

[beerrun]

So I’ve been recruited into fleet sales for a Peterbilt dealer. Big changes coming in 2024.

Biden administration OKs California waivers to mandate electric trucks

The EPA approved two Clean Air Act waivers that will require truck manufacturers to accelerate their sales of zero-emission vehicles, giving California the authority to mandate...

www.fleetowner.com

Well don't keep us waiting please

 

[Cdog]

Well don't keep us waiting please

Oh haha! Article at the link. For some reason it says stack path.

“The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency on March 31 approved two Clean Air Act waivers that will require truck manufacturers to accelerate their sales of zero-emission vehicles (ZEV), setting increasing ZEV manufacturing standards starting from 2024 through 2035. California’s Advanced Clean Trucks (ACT) rule requires that truck manufacturers increase new zero-emission truck sales to 55% for Classes 2-3, 75% for Classes 4-8, and 40% for semi-tractors by 2035.”

 

[Cdog]

So we had a presentation with Cummins last week. Info is coming straight from them. Big fleets which are defined by CA are 50M in revenue and 50 trucks. 1 in 4 replacement trucks will have to be EV. 25%. There will be limited diesel engine options available for CA trucks as well. CA emissions will be required to even enter the state.

The real issue is industry research shows most trucking companies have ignored this mandate that drops January 1st and it's highly likely their yards don't have access to enough power to run the fast DC chargers. So if you need 100 trucks next year 25 will have to be electric and you may not be able to even charge them. Not to mention they have a range of about 150-200 miles. And that's likely not taking a APU or PTO/Wet kit into account.

CA has the engine MFG's by the nuts. They worked this in a way where you'll have a tough time trying to circumventing their mandate.

All this and all MFG's are still under allocation. Best advise is upgrade to the latest and greatest rig asap. This will get you deep into the proof of concept and R&D before you will be forced to go electric or hydrogen if you want to stay in the business in CA.

 

[Steve-o]

Thanks for the info! I’m personally interested in the RV’s. Does anyone know the specifics? Did anyone receive a letter from CARB saying you gotta smog your RV?

 

[4Waters]

C’mon Cdog if you aren’t our expert on these laws then we might have found the first subject the RDP Braintrust can’t figure out!

Nobody can figure out what CARB has done in the last 20 years.

 

[ka0tyk]

Thanks for the info! I’m personally interested in the RV’s. Does anyone know the specifics? Did anyone receive a letter from CARB saying you gotta smog your RV?

Nope. Old diesel Rvs don’t follow suit… yet. I’ll be out of the state by then. Summer 2024, freedom.

 

[4Waters]

Thanks for the info! I’m personally interested in the RV’s. Does anyone know the specifics? Did anyone receive a letter from CARB saying you gotta smog your RV?

If it's registered in a CARB state then it should be good to go but you know CA has to make.....steal money every chance they get

 

[Cdog]

Thanks for the info! I’m personally interested in the RV’s. Does anyone know the specifics? Did anyone receive a letter from CARB saying you gotta smog your RV?

I just woke up and am a little slow before coffee lol! It will trickle down to RV's eventually but focus right now is the trucking industry. But keep in mind the chassis, engines, trans & axles all come from the HD trucking industry.

 

[Cdog]

Nobody can figure out what CARB has done in the last 20 years.

There will be a massive upgrade and equipment exchange happening in CA over the next decade +. It's hard to imagine cummins making room to MFG engines for RV's when everyone will be in a rush to replace their equipment asap to stay ahead of the mandate ratcheting up getting tighter. Like I mentioned they can't produce enough now and are likely on allocation for 2024 too.

This is medium and HD trucking.

Anything delivered by a truck is about to get much more expensive and take longer. The real small guys will have a hard time staying in business and the big guys will control the market in CA. All by design I suppose.

 

[spectra3279]

Doesn't all this go against the interstate commerce laws?

 

[Cdog]

Doesn't all this go against the interstate commerce laws?

That was my first question but cummins reps and truck sales departments are not legal experts. Bottom line is the biden admin and CA wants this and it's here.

RV's will probably skate by for a while until CA gets the commercial truck check points figured out. At that point get ready for diesel pushers.

F350 and 5th wheels will be a much more attractive option is my best guess. Or better yet move out of CA.

 

[bonesfab]

Nobody can figure out what CARB has done in the last 20 years.

Including CARB. Definition of insanity.

 

[HBCraig]

So I’ve been recruited into fleet sales for a Peterbilt dealer. Big changes coming in 2024.

Biden administration OKs California waivers to mandate electric trucks

The EPA approved two Clean Air Act waivers that will require truck manufacturers to accelerate their sales of zero-emission vehicles, giving California the authority to mandate...

www.fleetowner.com

From what I hear, your commission checks must be huge.

 

[pronstar]

Cummins hasn’t been resting on their laurels…

https://www.cummins.com/news/releases/2022/08/03/cummins-completes-acquisition-meritor

 

[Joe mama]

I’m betting there is going to be money made selling these rigs overseas.

 

[Shlbyntro]

it's starting to make an awful a lot of sense to just bring the ship's through the Panama canal and offload them somewhere else.

 

[Cdog]

From what I hear, your commission checks must be huge.

Not yet. Working on that though

 

[Flying_Lavey]

it's starting to make an awful a lot of sense to just bring the ship's through the Panama canal and offload them somewhere else.

Yup. Or finally build that big harbor in Baja and go up the new soon-to-be I-11

 

[Cdog]

Cummins hasn’t been resting in their laurels…

https://www.cummins.com/news/releases/2022/08/03/cummins-completes-acquisition-meritor

Meritor & Cummins are the two biggest partners with Paccar. Parent company of Peterbilt & Kenworth.

 

[pronstar]

Yup. Or finally build that big harbor in Baja and go up the new soon-to-be I-11

IIRC Ensenada was supposed to have been massively grown to do just that for the left coast about 30 years ago.

But after required corruption, there was no money or appetite left for it.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

IIRC Ensenada was supposed to have been massively grown to do just that for the left coast about 30 years ago.

But after required corruption, there was no money or appetite left for it.

With the liberal logic ruining California, it might be feasible now. If the Mexican government could grow a spine and pull their head out of their ass, they could massively improve their GDP with relatively little investment.

 

[pronstar]

With the liberal logic ruining California, it might be feasible now. If the Mexican government could grow a spine and pull their head out of their ass, they could massively improve their GDP with relatively little investment.

can you imagine the wealth that would be created if they would simply continue the CA coastline developments all the way down the baja peninsula…

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

can you imagine the wealth that would be created if they would simply continue the CA coastline developments all the way down the baja peninsula…

We’d have an I Love Baja California thread.

 

[spark2678]

RVs for personal use are exempt from the carb regulations that went into affect Jan 1 2023.

 

[Shrub Lurker]

This from CARB today :
Exemptions :

 

[TimeBandit]

From CARB website, for Diesel vehicles over 14,000 gvwr:

2013+ Model Year (MY) engines: On-Board Diagnostics (OBD) equipped vehicles

• OBD test submission: twice per year
• OBD test submission increases to four times per year after 3 years of two times per year testing
• CA Motorhomes: once per year
• On-Road Agricultural (AG) Vehicles: once per year

Pre-2013 MY engines: Non-OBD equipped vehicles

• Opacity test submission (for diesel vehicles) and visual/functional inspection (all fuel types): twice per year
• CA Motorhomes: once per year

 

[Angler]

I quit reading at 2007 and newer.

I've got an 2006, lets hope they don't go back any further.

 

[MonkeyButt70]

Bottom line, They Hate You!

 

[Wizard29]

Lots of weird/unclear information out there.

I have a 2002 diesel pusher and received the registration for it that is due in December. No change to any requirements from previous years (no smog check required at all). So it appears mine is good for at least another year unless they send out some special notice. If/when that happens, NV will be collecting one more registration fee every year and CA will lose one.

 

[ka0tyk]

Lots of weird/unclear information out there.

I have a 2002 diesel pusher and received the registration for it that is due in December. No change to any requirements from previous years (no smog check required at all). So it appears mine is good for at least another year unless they send out some special notice. If/when that happens, NV will be collecting one more registration fee every year and CA will lose one.

same. 45' 40k lbs no def 12.7 detroit diesel. nothing on my reg about anything smog. either way im not paying it and registering it in a diff state. get fvcked CA.

 

[FCT]

What’s the fee to be paid by dec 31? First I’ve heard of that

 

[Ziggy]

What’s the fee to be paid by dec 31? First I’ve heard of that

Oh that, it's for Newsons presidential campaign

 

[Shrub Lurker]

What’s the fee to be paid by dec 31? First I’ve heard of that

I’m not feeling like this carb guy even knows.
I did ask, and am awaiting his reply on what this actually means for ME AND MY RV.
“Go down and sign up “ where? WTF

 

[TimeBandit]

What’s the fee to be paid by dec 31? First I’ve heard of that

It looks like the $30. fee was due effective July 2023 I have no idea who might enforce this new tax.

I guess you'll find out on next year's registration renewal?

 

[FCT]

It looks like the $30. fee was due effective July 2023 I have no idea who might enforce this new tax.

I guess you'll find out on next year's registration renewal?

We have fees for fees for fees

 

[Shrub Lurker]

This just in:

 

[4Waters]

This just in: View attachment 1306194

Another money grab

 

[ChumpChange]

This is just totally awesome news only because finally California didn't make the list.

Only because California is in the name CARB!

 

[ka0tyk]

Nope! Packed up the house into the bus and I’m already in Albuquerque. Piss off newsom. Suck it.

 

[Romans9]

Hey I know, someone start a website and call it “Kill CARB” and we can expose all of the falsified research they have been using………