Need a second opinion or endorsement? Here you go:

[The Doctor]

Ask the military who they prefer for commander-in-chief. Be prepared to be blown away!!!

Obama's military endorsements:

General Wesley Clark, USA, (Ret)
General Colin Powell, USA (Ret)
Major General Paul Eaton, USA (Ret)
Admiral Donald Gutter, USN, former JAG of the Navy, (Ret)
Admiral John Nathman, USN, (Ret)

Mitt Romney's military endorsements:

Admiral James B. Busey, USN, (Ret.)
General James T. Conway, USMC, (Ret.)
General Terrence R. Dake, USMC, (Ret)
Admiral James O. Ellis, USN, (Ret.)
Admiral Mark Fitzgerald, USM, (Ret.)
General Ronald R. Fogleman, USAF, (Ret)
General Tommy Franks, USA, (Ret)
General Alfred Hansen, USAF, (Ret)
Admiral Ronald Jackson Hays, USN, (Ret)
Admiral Thomas Bibb Hayward, USN, (Ret)
General Chuck Albert Horner, USAF, (Ret)
Admiral Jerome LaMarr Johnson, USN, (Ret)
Admiral Timothy J. Keating, USN, (Ret)
General Paul X. Kelley, USMC, (Ret)
General William Kernan, USA, (Ret)
Admiral George E.R. Kinnear II, USN, (Ret)
General William L. Kirk, USAF, (Ret)
General James J. Lindsay, USA, (Ret)
General William R. Looney III, USAF, (Ret)
Admiral Hank Mauz, USN, (Ret)
General Robert Magnus, USMC, (Ret)
Admiral Paul David Miller, USN, (Ret)
General Henry Hugh Shelton, USA, (Ret)
General Lance Smith, USAF, (Ret)
Admiral Leighton Smith, Jr., USN, (Ret)
General Ronald W. Yates, USAF, (Ret)
Admiral Ronald J. Zlatoper, USN, (Ret)
Lieutenant General James Abrahamson, USAF, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Edgar Anderson, Jr., USAF, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Marcus A. Anderson, USAF, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Buck Bedard, USMC, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral A. Bruce Beran, USCG, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral Lyle Bien, USN, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Harold Blot, USMC, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General H. Steven Blum, USA, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral Mike Bowman III, USN, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral Mike Bucchi, USN, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Walter E. Buchanan III, USAF, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Richard A. Burpee, USAF, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General William Campbell, USAF, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General James E. Chambers, USAF, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral Edward W. Clexton, Jr., USN, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General John B. Conaway, USAF, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Marvin Covault, USA, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral Terry M. Cross, USCG, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral William Adam Dougherty, USN, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Brett Dula, USAF, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Gordon E. Fornell, USAF, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral David Frost, USN, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral Henry C. Giffin III, USN, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral Peter M. Hekman, USN, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral Richard D. Herr, USCG, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Thomas J Hickey, USAF, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Walter S. Hogle, Jr., USAF, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Ronald W. Iverson, USAF, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Donald W. Jones, USA, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral Douglas J. Katz, USN, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Jay W. Kelley, USAF, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral Tom Kilcline, USN, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Timothy A. Kinnan, USAF, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral Harold Koenig, M.D., USN, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral Albert H. Konetzni, USN, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Buford Derald Lary, USAF, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Frank Libutti, USMC, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral Stephen Loftus, USN, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral Michael Malone, USN, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral Edward H. Martin, USN, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral John J. Mazach, USN, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral Justin D. McCarthy, USN, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral William McCauley, USN, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Fred McCorkle, USMC, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Thomas G. McInerney, USAF, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral Joseph S. Mobley, USN, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Carol Mutter, USMC, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Dave R. Palmer, USA, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral John Theodore "Ted" Parker, USN, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Garry L. Parks, USMC, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Charles Henry "Chuck" Pitman, USMC, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Steven R. Polk, USAF, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral William E. Ramsey, USN, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Joseph J. Redden, USAF, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Clifford H. "Ted" Rees, Jr., USAF, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Edward Rowny, USA (Ret.)
Vice Admiral Dutch Schultz, USN, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Charles J. Searock, Jr., USAF, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General E. G. "Buck" Shuler, USAF, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Alexander M. "Rusty" Sloan, USAF, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral Edward M. Straw, USN, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General David J. Teal, USAF, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Billy M. Thomas, USA, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral Donald C. "Deese" Thompson, USCG, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral Alan S. Thompson, USN, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Herman O. "Tommy" Thomson, USAF, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral Howard B. Thorsen, USCG, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General William Thurman, USAF, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Robert Allen "R.A." Tiebout, USMC, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral John B. Totushek, USNR, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General George J. Trautman, USMC, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Garry R. Trexler, USAF, (Ret.)
Vice Admiral Jerry O. Tuttle, USN, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Claudius "Bud" Watts, USAF, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General William "Bill" Welser, USAF, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Thad A. Wolfe, USAF, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General C. Norman Wood, USAF, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Michael W. Wooley, USAF, (Ret.)
Lieutenant General Richard "Rick" Zilmer, USMC, (Ret.)
Major General Chris Adams, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Henry Amos, USN (Ret.)
Major General Nora Alice Astafan, USAF, (Ret.)
Major General Almon Bowen Ballard, USAF, (Ret.)
Major General James F. Barnette, USAF, (Ret.)
Major General Robert W. Barrow, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral John R. Batlzer, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Jon W. Bayless, USN, (Ret.)
Major General John E. Bianchi, USA, (Ret.)
Major General David F. Bice, USMC, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Linda J. Bird, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral James H. Black, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Peter A. Bondi, USN, (Ret.)
Major General John L. Borling, USMC, (Ret.)
Major General Tom Braaten, USA, (Ret.)
Major General Robert J. Brandt, USA, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Jerry C. Breast, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Bruce B. Bremner, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Thomas F. Brown III, USN, (Ret.)
Major General David P. Burford, USA, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral John F. Calvert, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Jay A. Campbell, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Henry Canterbury, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral James J. Carey, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Nevin Carr, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Stephen K. Chadwick, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral W. Lewis Chatham, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Jeffrey G. Cliver, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Casey Coane, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Isaiah C. Cole, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Stephen Condon, USAF, (Ret.)
Major General Richard C. Cosgrave, USANG, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Robert Cowley, USN, (Ret.)
Major General J.T. Coyne, USMC, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Robert C. Crates, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Tommy F. Crawford, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral James P. Davidson, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Kevin F. Delaney, USN, (Ret.)
Major General James D. Delk, USA, (Ret.)
Major General Robert E. Dempsey, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Jay Ronald Denney, USNR, (Ret.)
Major General Robert S. Dickman, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral James C. Doebler, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Douglas O. Dollar, USA, (Ret.)
Major General Hunt Downer, USA, (Ret.)
Major General Thomas A. Dyches, USAF, (Ret.)
Major General Jay T. Edwards, USAF, (Ret.)
Major General John R. Farrington, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Francis L. Filipiak, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral James H. Flatley III, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Charles Fletcher, USA, (Ret.)
Major General Bobby O. Floyd, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Veronica Froman, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Vance H. Fry, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral R. Byron Fuller, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral George M. Furlong, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Frank Gallo, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Ben F. Gaumer, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Harry E. Gerhard Jr., USN, (Ret.)
Major General Daniel J. Gibson, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Andrew A. Giordano, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Richard N. Goddard, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Fred Golove, USCGR, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Harold Eric Grant, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Jeff Grime, USAF, (Ret.)
Major General Robert Kent Guest, USA, (Ret.)
Major General Tim Haake, USAR, (Ret.)
Major General Otto K. Habedank, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Thomas F. Hall, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Donald P. Harvey, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Leonard W. Hegland, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral John Hekman, USN, (Ret.)
Major General John A. Hemphill, USA, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Larry Hereth, USCG, (Ret.)
Major General Wilfred Hessert, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Don Hickman, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Geoffrey Higginbotham, USMC, (Ret.)
Major General Jerry D. Holmes, USAF, (Ret.)
Major General Weldon F. Honeycutt, USA, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Steve Israel, USN, (Ret.)
Major General James T. Jackson, USA, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral John S. Jenkins, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Tim Jenkins, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Ron Jesberg, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Pierce J. Johnson, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Steven B. Kantrowitz, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral John T. Kavanaugh, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Dennis M. Kenneally, USA, (Ret.)
Major General Michael Kerby, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral David Kunkel, USCG, (Ret.)
Major General Geoffrey C. Lambert, USA, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Arthur Langston, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Thomas G. Lilly, USN, (Ret.)
Major General James E. Livingston, USAF, (Ret.)
Major General Al Logan, USAF, (Ret.)
Major General John D. Logeman Jr., USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Noah H. Long Jr, USNR, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Don Loren, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Andy Love, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Thomas C. Lynch, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Steven Wells Maas, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Robert M. Marquette, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Larry Marsh, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Clark W. Martin, USAF, (Ret.)
Major General William M. Matz, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Gerard Mauer, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral William J. McDaniel, MD, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral E.S. McGinley II, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Henry C. McKinney, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Robert Messerli, USAF, (Ret.)
Major General Douglas S. Metcalf, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral John W. Miller, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Patrick David Moneymaker, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Mario Montero, USA, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Douglas M. Moore, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Walter Bruce Moore, USA, (Ret.)
Major General William Moore, USA, (Ret.)
Major General Burton R. Moore, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral James A. Morgart, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Stanton R. Musser, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral John T. Natter, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Robert George Nester, USAF, (Ret.)
Major General George W. Norwood, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Robert C. Olsen, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Raymund E. O’Mara, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Robert S. Owens, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral John F. Paddock, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Robert W. Paret, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Robert O. Passmore, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Earl G. Peck, USAF, (Ret.)
Major General Richard E. Perraut Jr., USAF, (Ret.)
Major General Gerald F. Perryman, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral W.W. Pickavance, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral John J. Prendergast, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Fenton F. Priest, USN, (Ret.)
Major General David C. Ralston, USA, (Ret.)
Major General Bentley B. Rayburn, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Harold Rich, USN , (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Roland Rieve, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Tommy F. Rinard, USN , (Ret.)
Major General Richard H. Roellig, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Michael S. Roesner, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral William J. Ryan, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Loran C. Schnaidt, USAF, (Ret.)
Major General Carl Schneider, USAF , (Ret.)
Major General John P. Schoeppner, Jr., USAF, (Ret.)
Major General Edison E. Scholes, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Robert H. Shumaker, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral William S. Schwob, USCG, (Ret.)
Major General David J. Scott, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Hugh P. Scott, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Richard Secord, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral William H. Shawcross, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Joseph K. Simeone, USAF and ANG , (Ret.)
Major General Darwin Simpson, ANG , (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Greg Slavonic, USN , (Ret.)
Rear Admiral David Oliver "D.O." Smart, USNR, (Ret.)
Major General Richard D. Smith, USAF, (Ret.)
Major General Donald Bruce Smith, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Paul O. Soderberg, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Robert H. "Bob" Spiro, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Henry B. Stelling, Jr., USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Daniel H. Stone, USN, (Ret.)
Major General William A. Studer, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Hamlin Tallent, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Hugh Banks Tant III, USA, (Ret.)
Major General Larry S. Taylor, USMC, (Ret.)
Major General J.B. Taylor, USA, (Ret.)
Major General Thomas R. Tempel, USA , (Ret.)
Major General Richard L. Testa, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Jere Thompson, USN (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Byron E. Tobin, USN, (Ret.)
Major General Larry Twitchell, USAF, (Ret.)
Major General Russell L. Violett, USAF, (Ret.)
Major General David E.B. "DEB" Ward, USAF, (Ret.)
Major General Charles J. Wax, USAF, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Donald Weatherson, USN, (Ret.)
Major General John Welde, USAF, (Ret.)
Major General Gary Whipple, USA , (Ret.)
Rear Admiral James B. Whittaker, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Charles Williams, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral H. Denny Wisely, USN, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral Theodore J. Wojnar, USCG, (Ret.)
Rear Admiral George R. Worthington, USN, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Arthur Abercrombie, USA, (Ret.)
Brigadier General John R. Allen, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Loring R. Astorino, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Richard Averitt, USA, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Garry S. Bahling, USANG, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Donald E. Barnhart, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Charles L. Bishop, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Clayton Bridges, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Jeremiah J. Brophy, USA, (Ret.)
Brigadier General R. Thomas Browning, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General David A. Brubaker, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Chalmers R. Carr, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Fred F. Caste, USAFR, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Robert V. Clements, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Christopher T Cline, USA, (Ret.)
Brigadier General George Peyton Cole, Jr., USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Richard A. Coleman, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Mike Cushman, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Peter Dawkins, USA, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Sam. G. DeGeneres, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General George Demers, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Howard G. DeWolf, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Arthur F. Diehl, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General David Bob Edmonds, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Anthony Farrington, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Norm Gaddis, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Robert H. Harkins, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Thomas W. Honeywill, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Stanley V. Hood, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General James J. Hourin, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Jack C. Ihle, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Thomas G. Jeter, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General William Herbert Johnson, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Kenneth F. Keller, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Wayne W. Lambert, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Jerry L. Laws, USA, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Thomas J. Lennon, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General John M. Lotz, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Robert S. Mangum, USA, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Frank Martin, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Joe Mensching, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Richard L. Meyer, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Lawrence A. Mitchell, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Michael P. Mulqueen, USMC, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Ben Nelson, Jr., USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Jack W. Nicholson, USA, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Maria C. Owens, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Dave Papak, USMC, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Gary A. Pappas, USANG, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Robert V. Paschon, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Allen K. Rachel, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Jon Reynolds, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Edward F. Rodriguez, Jr., USAFR, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Roger Scearce, USA, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Dennis Schulstad, USAFR, (Ret.)
Brigadier General John Serur, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Joseph L. Shaefer, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Graham Shirley, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Raymond Shulstad, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Stan Smith, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Ralph S. Smith, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Donald Smith, USA, (Ret.)
Brigadier General David M. Snyder, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Michael Joseph Tashjian, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Richard Louis Ursone, USA, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Earl Van Inwegen, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Terrence P. Woods, USAF, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Mitchell Zais, USA, (Ret.)
Brigadier General Allan Ralph Zenowitz, USA, (Ret.)

 

[shueman]

They're all retired...their CIC today is the old hag next to 'em... But, nice copy & paste from you know where...:rolleyes

 

[thetub]

. O has guys like Mr. "Socialist" Hugo endorsing him. Sad people do not know or remember what made America great...
we have become a nation of government handouts mentally and physically.

 

[The Doctor]

They're all retired...their CIC today is the old hag next to 'em... But, nice copy & paste from you know where...:rolleyes

So, their life of service if of no value? I'd love to see you call their wives "old hags" to their faces. Fact is, I'd pay to be there.
These men aren't like you, shue. These are men who understand and love America - proving it with a lifetime of service that you have discounted in a single post.
With every post you prove to be more misguided and Kenyan-like. I can see you issuing a "Stand Down" order too.

 

[AzGeo]

Shocked to see General Colin Powell's name behind the President. I would liked to have seen him run WITH McCain last time. He seems to me: level headed, America First, not easily angered, knows just where to put HIS BOOT when the going gets tough, bows to no man.

 

[Paul65k]

Shocked to see General Colin Powell's name behind the President. I would liked to have seen him run WITH McCain last time. He seems to me: level headed, America First, not easily angered, knows just where to put HIS BOOT when the going gets tough, bows to no man.

Doc, Are you sure Colin Powell has endoursed BO this time around? I know for a fact that he did last time but I thought I heard that he hadn't made a formal endorsement this time around....I also wonder if he is putting in the same amount of time stumping this time around that he did last time??? I don't know the answer but last time around it was much more high profile IMHO.

 

[The Doctor]

Very sad but true. I, too, had hopes for Powell.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/25/colin-powell-endorses-obama_n_2011162.html

 

[shueman]

So, their life of service if of no value? I'd love to see you call their wives "old hags" to their faces. Fact is, I'd pay to be there.
These men aren't like you, shue. These are men who understand and love America - proving it with a lifetime of service that you have discounted in a single post.
With every post you prove to be more misguided and Kenyan-like. I can see you issuing a "Stand Down" order too.

You continue to show your true DirtBag colors...white, condesending, elitist...just like your party's chosen one...:skull

 

[The Doctor]

You continue to show your true DirtBag colors...white, condesending, elitist...just like your party's chosen one...:skull

Herman Cain?

Keep running from the questions, shue and cherry picking from the liberal press. It's making you look like a complete buffoon with every post.

 

[DaveH]

You continue to show your true DirtBag colors...white, condesending, elitist...just like your party's chosen one...:skull

i'll take that over black, ego maniac, ignorant, socialist any day of the week.

 

[Racey]

The Doctor:
US Generals overwhelmingly endorse Mitt Romney: "You all need to listen up, these guys know what they are talking about"
US Troops overwhelmingly endorse Ron Paul: "I can't figure out why anyone in the military would endorse that guy, these guys obviously don't know what they are talking about"

This is a classic case of what we call Confirmation Bias.


In today's environment of the military industrial complex, the brass at the top is almost always going to endorse the guy who promotes more military spending, and more promotion of military action. Where do you think these guys go when they retire from service? they become liaisons, lobbyists, consultants, and executives for the companies receiving billions upon billions of the peoples' tax dollars, they aren't going to support anyone who threatens that money.


It's no harder to understand this endorsement than it is to understand one of Teachers supporting the Democrat who promises them more money, it's not about any objective benefit other than the coin itself...... The military is just another government agency, their existence may be of more, or less importance than any other agency, that is up for endless discussion, and it's not the point I'm making, The point is, we can't afford what everyone is asking for, be it teachers, or generals. Somehow the military is a sacred cow for the so called "fiscally conservative" republicans.

 

[The Doctor]

The Doctor:
US Generals overwhelmingly endorse Mitt Romney: "You all need to listen up, these guys know what they are talking about"
US Troops overwhelmingly endorse Ron Paul: "I can't figure out why anyone in the military would endorse that guy, these guys obviously don't know what they are talking about"

This is a classic case of what we call Confirmation Bias.

Your words - not mine! I prefer to post the facts as they exist. Neither of my nephews, currently serving in the Middle East support Ron Paul.
Why would you post such remarks as my words?

 

[Racey]

Your words - not mine! I prefer to post the facts as they exist. Neither of my nephews, currently serving in the Middle East support Ron Paul.
Why would you post such remarks as my words?

Sorry i should have put it was a paraphrase, i thought it was obvious that it was, maybe it wasnt.

Here are your exact words:

In Ron Paul's own words:
"I think a submarine is a very worthwhile weapon. I believe we can defend ourselves with submarines and all our troops back at home. This whole idea that we have to be in 130 countries and 900 bases? is an old fashioned idea," the Texas congressman said on CBS's "Face the Nation."

With that being said, it's a wonder that any military personnel support him as he wants all foreign bases closed.

 

[The Doctor]

So, do you agree that we should close all our foreign military bases as Ron Paul does?

 

[Racey]

So, do you agree that we should close all our foreign military bases as Ron Paul does?

They are one of the largest forms of international welfare as we foot the bill for other's security, these countries don't have to spend as much protecting themselves as we provide protection for them, also billions of our soldiers money is subsequently spent in their economies as a side effect, not to mention any other additional logistical services that must be provided for operations of the establishments. It's massive foreign aid above and beyond any direct funds we send them. We can protect everything we need with ships, missles, and drones. We don't need all these bases and boots on the ground that me and you, and your children, and their children, are being made slaves to pay the bills. 2 of our submarines could destroy 80% of the modern world if it came down to it.

 

[DaveH]

They are one of the largest forms of international welfare as we foot the bill for other's security, these countries don't have to spend as much protecting themselves as we provide protection for them, also billions of our soldiers money is subsequently spent in their economies as a side effect, not to mention any other additional logistical services that must be provided for operations of the establishments. It's massive foreign aid above and beyond any direct funds we send them. We can protect everything we need with ships, missles, and drones. We don't need all these bases and boots on the ground that me and you, and your children, and their children, are being made slaves to pay the bills. 2 of our submarines could destroy 80% of the modern world if it came down to it.

I'll take that as a YES.

While i agree we dont need to be in every country in the world, closing down all bases basically means american influence in remote areas or less politically charged ares would be no influence at all or total destruction?

if there is ONE THING i expect from our federal govt (something I cant provide for myself) it is security. i actually think we dont go far enough, our military should enjoy "carte blanche" and should be the majority of the govts expeditures and influence. leave taking care of yourself to the individual.

 

[Old Texan]

Maybe we need to make Trump a cabinet member in charge of recovering costs of services to the nation's we watch over.......Trump has said over and over we are foolish to not be paid by countries that can afford what we provide. We as a nation are governed by fools influenced by the "big/kind hearted" charitable crowd at the root of the nation's problems.

For what we spent taking Iraq back from Saddam for the Iraqi people, we need to get reimbursed, yet the left who bitches the most uses the oil profits as the reason we were there in the first place and look at it as blood money rather than payment for services rendered. If not the Iraqi's paying at least Kuwait should pony up as they were overrun by the madman.

Play for pay is the way to go....Enough of the philanthropic give away heroes we've been playing, charge for services to those who can pay.

 

[Racey]

I'll take that as a YES.

While i agree we dont need to be in every country in the world, closing down all bases basically means american influence in remote areas or less politically charged ares would be no influence at all or total destruction?

if there is ONE THING i expect from our federal govt (something I cant provide for myself) it is security. i actually think we dont go far enough, our military should enjoy "carte blanche" and should be the majority of the govts expeditures and influence. leave taking care of yourself to the individual.

You want it you pay, don't force me to :skull

Amazing how many other countries in the world do just fine without having to send their troops all over the place, maybe they are just reaping the benefits of our security, in that case, make them buck up..... You're against welfare for lazy incapable people here at home, but pro welfare for the lazy incapable abroad. Let them deal with their own security. Let them pay on their own.

Do i really give a shit about remote areas of the world? do they need american influence any more than they need swiss influence? italian influence? why aren't the people in the middle east all pissed off at the Belgians, or the Austrians, or any other countries, Because those countries don't force their 'influence' onto them.

How's that influence working out for us anyway? we painted giant targets on our backs with our 'influence' in the middle east.

If you really believe our presence over there is doing anything to keep us safe at home i have some ocean front property in lovely southern Florida to sell you. We are over there for political and special interest reasons.

Our debt will be our downfall, not some other country, The American public is so heavily armed that anyone who tried to invade us would be massacred. not to mention if it really came down to some bad scenario like that we could obliterate their forces with our ships alone. Like i said, 2 submarines could rain down a shit storm so fucking massive it could wipe out 80% of the modern world. that's around 300 nukes at the press of a button.

You get a lot further with diplomacy and trade than you do with propping up hated dictators and forceful manipulation.


"Equal and exact justice to all men, of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political; peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none" -Thomas Jefferson

This is exactly what we have done, entangled the shit out of ourselves with all these fucked up leaders and factions on the other side of the world, it has cost us trillions, and is costing hundreds of billions every additional year.....

 

[DaveH]

You want it you pay, don't force me to :skull

Amazing how many other countries in the world do just fine without having to send their troops all over the place, maybe they are just reaping the benefits of our security, in that case, make them buck up..... You're against welfare for lazy incapable people here at home, but pro welfare for the lazy incapable abroad. Let them deal with their own security. Let them pay on their own.

Do i really give a shit about remote areas of the world? do they need american influence any more than they need swiss influence? italian influence? why aren't the people in the middle east all pissed off at the Belgians, or the Austrians, or any other countries, Because those countries don't force their 'influence' onto them.

How's that influence working out for us anyway? we painted giant targets on our backs with our 'influence' in the middle east.

If you really believe our presence over there is doing anything to keep us safe at home i have some ocean front property in lovely southern Florida to sell you. We are over there for political and special interest reasons.

Our debt will be our downfall, not some other country, The American public is so heavily armed that anyone who tried to invade us would be massacred. not to mention if it really came down to some bad scenario like that we could obliterate their forces with our ships alone. Like i said, 2 submarines could rain down a shit storm so fucking massive it could wipe out 80% of the modern world. that's around 300 nukes at the press of a button.

You get a lot further with diplomacy and trade than you do with propping up hated dictators and forceful manipulation.


"Equal and exact justice to all men, of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political; peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none" -Thomas Jefferson

This is exactly what we have done, entangled the shit out of ourselves with all these fucked up leaders and factions on the other side of the world, it has cost us trillions, and is costing hundreds of billions every additional year.....

i agree with you on a few points but not all.

obviously the worst case scenario of the US being invaded, isnt really a threat or even remote concern to me. But our world is a global economy. things like the straights of Hormuts (did i spell that right?) that Iran has threatened to blockade, the panama canal, international maritime shipping, the worlds general aviation industry, etc etc etc are all global strategic locations or industries that we as americans undeniably falls on us to protect as we historically have been the only superpower in the world with resources to do so. imagine $500 per barrel for oil...... see what that would do to our american economy and way of life. to me, thats the real reason we cover the globe with our military.

I agree our national debt is a MASIVE threat. but the fact is, all our military/security expenditures are not the source of the debt. getting other nations to help with the bill? sounds great to me. good luck with it though.

as for the rest of the world hating us becasue of our influence? who cares. I dont believe we "have a target on our back" becasue of military bases...........we have a target on our back because we are hated for many reasons, american prosperity and elevated life style, religous reasons, freedom, our stature in the world. and yet, how many people try to get here? i dont see the population of the US fleeing its borders for a better place to live. in fact, i see many nationalities of people here that are form countries that predominitely hate us. there silence baffles me, but thats the way it is.

if we cut off 100% of defense spending.........how much of an impact would that be on 16 trillion????

 

[Racey]

I'll take that as a YES.

While i agree we dont need to be in every country in the world, closing down all bases basically means american influence in remote areas or less politically charged ares would be no influence at all or total destruction?

if there is ONE THING i expect from our federal govt (something I cant provide for myself) it is security. i actually think we dont go far enough, our military should enjoy "carte blanche" and should be the majority of the govts expeditures and influence. leave taking care of yourself to the individual.

Let's put it this way, say you had a 15k tax liability for the year, if we had a buffet tax system, where you could tick the boxes for things you were willing to pay for, Roads, Welfare, Farm Subsidies, Etc, etc, and give a big middle finger to the things you didn't want to pay for, would you tick that box for 30% at $5,000 for the military with "Carte Blanche" and not think twice about if they were being prudent and responsible with your tax dollars? and spending them in the most effective ways? how about the next year when their carte blanche gives them 31%, 32%, etc, etc?..... :headscratch: What if their carte blance required everyone in the country to pay 50% income tax? would that be fine with you?

 

[Old Texan]

Racey, we have bases around the world largely as a result of WWII. I agree we need to take an ongoing summation as to what is and what is not necessary as technology grows, but we still have post war treaties in place. It will be a while before we reach a point of shutting down "all" bases.

Plus world commerce dictates we need a presence. I'm completely with you on the need to avoid wars, but I'm also realistic enough to know we can't just pick up and leave without certain segments of the global society going Bnag in neutral nations where we cannot blindly remove great masses of the earth's surface.

 

[wsuwrhr]

They are one of the largest forms of international welfare as we foot the bill for other's security, these countries don't have to spend as much protecting themselves as we provide protection for them, also billions of our soldiers money is subsequently spent in their economies as a side effect, not to mention any other additional logistical services that must be provided for operations of the establishments. It's massive foreign aid above and beyond any direct funds we send them. We can protect everything we need with ships, missles, and drones. We don't need all these bases and boots on the ground that me and you, and your children, and their children, are being made slaves to pay the bills. 2 of our submarines could destroy 80% of the modern world if it came down to it.

I agree as well.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Maybe we need to make Trump a cabinet member in charge of recovering costs of services to the nation's we watch over.......Trump has said over and over we are foolish to not be paid by countries that can afford what we provide. We as a nation are governed by fools influenced by the "big/kind hearted" charitable crowd at the root of the nation's problems.

For what we spent taking Iraq back from Saddam for the Iraqi people, we need to get reimbursed, yet the left who bitches the most uses the oil profits as the reason we were there in the first place and look at it as blood money rather than payment for services rendered. If not the Iraqi's paying at least Kuwait should pony up as they were overrun by the madman.

Play for pay is the way to go....Enough of the philanthropic give away heroes we've been playing, charge for services to those who can pay.

I agree with this as well.