Naci and more bitchfest Grrr!!!!

[funkcity]

My personal Bitch-fest Sorry gang!!

Well today we cancelled our Nacimieno vacation 3 weeks from now. They are now dumping an enormous amount of water.
Monterey County the Water rights holder is doing this (Yes the lake is in San Luis Obispo County)
At 28% today it will turn the lake into a mud hole by October. This central CA lake has been our fav for years. The property owners are complaining to no avail.

So then we looked to book Pine Flat Lake.....It was good until we read about the Blue-Green Algae bloom. Of course we have a dog and a small child and they warn children and animals and toxins etc...
Cancel that.

When our family had no kids it was...go to Mead ski from Boulder to Echo Bay, Have Lunch, Ski Back, Go Vegas gamble have fun. But all this has changed too with rotting mussels on the shore and the water that was so crystal clear just ain't no more. And Echo is high and dry.

We will probably go to Tahoe and see the wooden boat Concours D’Elegance. It looks fantastic.
We'll probably go boatless as grown family members can't make the longer drive with work schedules and new baby.
Boating has changed on the west coast....or maybe it's just me?

 

[Runs2rch]

Mead is still plenty nice. Just head from boulder to Temple Bar instead.

 

[NicPaus]

Bullshit. Sorry to hear about your Naci trip getting ruined. My favorite spot when the lake is full.

 

[77charger]

my cousin was out for the fourth forgot what cove they went to but stepped out and was very muddy had a few leaches on his ankles.Never seen that before even when low.

 

[Racer56]

I've heard from people that the water is do low that s lot of the launch ramps are unusable. California is so F'ed up.

 

[Riley1]

my cousin was out for the fourth forgot what cove they went to but stepped out and was very muddy had a few leaches on his ankles.Never seen that before even when low.

I ended up going it’s leaches all over my feet last year cove was maybe 2 coves west of the ski cove.

 

[braindead]

Cali water rights suck ass, sorry about your trip!

If you want perfect skiing water head a couple hours north and hit the delta, It will ruin almost every other body of water you have skied in before

 

[Tank]

It’s sad that they allow this to happen to Naci. Thought Brian said all the homeowners were working on a class action lawsuit.

And regarding leaches, I know San Antonio had a bad leach problem but never heard Naci having any.

Level not looking good.

 

[oldschool]

Check out Don Pedro Lake. Big lake with plenty of water.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

View attachment 666549 It’s sad that they allow this to happen to Naci. Thought Brian said all the homeowners were working on a class action lawsuit.

And regarding leaches, I know San Antonio had a bad leach problem but never heard Naci having any.

Level not looking good.

Yeah, the Save The Dragon group has hired a water attorney and they are investigating for any wrong doing on the Water Authority's behalf to have their operating permit of the dam revoked. I was just at a meeting on the 6th here at Heritage where they were discussing the Interlake pipeline. Several people asked wtf is happening to our water and the man in charge of pulling the levers himself couldn't give a straight answer and basically said it was due to what the supervisors board has decided upon and the release schedule changes daily. Basically he's just a puppet.

I came away from that meeting telling my wife that if the bond needed to fund the tunnel passes by the few dozen massive landowners that are going to be voting on it that live in the Salinas Valley in Monterey County (a bunch of BS in itself), then we're gonna get our ducks in a row to move away from my dream area to live in. There is NOTHING in the pipeline design that will prevent the board from maintaining a very high level in San Antonio and reaping the rewards for the higher property values due to the higher water levels and essentially draining Naci and killing our way of life and property values.


And btw, those little fuckers that have been getting on everybody's feet lately at Naci Ive been told aren't actually leaves but instead some sort of larvae that does not feed off humans but just sticks to them for transportation. Also have some reports from various people that Zebra muscles have been found in the lake. Of course it'll take an act of God to get the government agencies to recognize this and stop the stupid inspections though.

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[OldSchoolBoats]

View attachment 666549 It’s sad that they allow this to happen to Naci. Thought Brian said all the homeowners were working on a class action lawsuit.

And regarding leaches, I know San Antonio had a bad leach problem but never heard Naci having any.

Level not looking good.

That is freaking sad. Here is a pic of Naci from January 21, 2017 that your posted in another thread.

 

[Tank]

Yeah, the Save The Dragon group has hired a water attorney and they are investigating for any wrong doing on the Water Authority's behalf to have their operating permit of the dam revoked. I was just at a meeting on the 6th here at Heritage where they were discussing the Interlake pipeline. Several people asked wtf is happening to our water and the man in charge of pulling the levers himself couldn't give a straight answer and basically said it was due to what the supervisors board has decided upon and the release schedule changes daily. Basically he's just a puppet.

I came away from that meeting telling my wife that if the bond needed to fund the tunnel passes by the few dozen massive landowners that are going to be voting on it that live in the Salinas Valley in Monterey County (a bunch of BS in itself), then we're gonna get our ducks in a row to move away from my dream area to live in. There is NOTHING in the pipeline design that will prevent the board from maintaining a very high level in San Antonio and reaping the rewards for the higher property values due to the higher water levels and essentially draining Naci and killing our way of life and property values.

This is very discouraging and I just hope the lawsuit will address or at least cause enough stir that they stop letting water out for the hell of it!

I was under the impression the pipeline was just basically a glorified spill way that would allow san Antonio to stay full when Naci starts to get so full it spills over the causeway (as we both know happens basically every huge storm). Then those fockers down stream can pull water from San Antonio first like they used to do. In theory it actually sounds like a good plan, no? I mean, obviously I'm not there and involved and if you're against it, I presume there's some shadiness going on.

And btw, those little fuckers that have been getting on everybody's feet lately at Naci Ive been told aren't actually leaves but instead some sort of larvae that does not feed off humans but just sticks to them for transportation. Also have some reports from various people that Zebra muscles have been found in the lake. Of course it'll take an act of God to get the government agencies to recognize this and stop the stupid inspections though.

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Either way, that's super gross!!

 

[DrunkenSailor]

We were going to head up to Naci for a long weekend. After these shots I am changing my plans. This is stupid. Sorry for you FL and all the other owners up there. Where the hell are they sending all the water? Down to the farms? It's time to build some desal plants and let the farms pay for the new water. At the very least it would help preserve our lakes and resevior's.

 

[boatpi]

All of this and we are spending billions in a train to nowhere.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

This is very discouraging and I just hope the lawsuit will address or at least cause enough stir that they stop letting water out for the hell of it!

I was under the impression the pipeline was just basically a glorified spill way that would allow san Antonio to stay full when Naci starts to get so full it spills over the causeway (as we both know happens basically every huge storm). Then those fockers down stream can pull water from San Antonio first like they used to do. In theory it actually sounds like a good plan, no? I mean, obviously I'm not there and involved and if you're against it, I presume there's some shadiness going on.



Either way, that's super gross!!

Thats essentially the sales pitch they are using but there is nothing to prevent them from saying...."Nevermind. That plan really doesn't work." And then just keeping the valves open pulling Naci down to 745'. Also, with the pipeline installed it changes the rules and regulations as far as what the operating agency is allowed to do and how the lake(s) are classified. I'm concerned once they are "tied" together it'll allow them to operate the lakes as one thus redcing the regulations on Naci itself.

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[Tank]

Thats essentially the sales pitch they are using but there is nothing to prevent them from saying...."Nevermind. That plan really doesn't work." And then just keeping the valves open pulling Naci down to 745'. Also, with the pipeline installed it changes the rules and regulations as far as what the operating agency is allowed to do and how the lake(s) are classified. I'm concerned once they are "tied" together it'll allow them to operate the lakes as one thus redcing the regulations on Naci itself.

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Yea, that would be no good. As bad as Naci's drain off has always been, San Antonio was always worse (thus it's been dry). It'd be really nice if they could figure out a way to make all parties involved happy? There's gotta be a resolution.

the only problem is the county with the water rights most likely feel they're iron clad and entitled to the water so why should they work to resolve the dilemma? Hopefully they get a good dose of reality when the save naci faction comes up with a good lawsuit tactic to halt it all.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Yea, that would be no good. As bad as Naci's drain off has always been, San Antonio was always worse (thus it's been dry). It'd be really nice if they could figure out a way to make all parties involved happy? There's gotta be a resolution.

the only problem is the county with the water rights most likely feel they're iron clad and entitled to the water so why should they work to resolve the dilemma? Hopefully they get a good dose of reality when the save naci faction comes up with a good lawsuit tactic to halt it all.

I'm really hoping the attorney can come up with something to use for negoiating tactics. I'd really like to see some sort of agreement made with San Luis Obispo county where they cannot open the upper gate at Naci without San Luis Obispo County approval as well.

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[funkcity]

I'm really hoping the attorney can come up with something to use for negoiating tactics. I'd really like to see some sort of agreement made with San Luis Obispo county where they cannot open the upper gate at Naci without San Luis Obispo County approval as well.

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LA Times had an article front page yesterday. Water rights statewide are being heavily disputed. Water is the new gold. But a bullet train to Fresno seems more important.

 

[Danger Dave]

All of this and we are spending billions in a train to nowhere.

You call Modesto to Merced nowhere? It's going to be epic!

 

[WhatExit?]

That lake (and state) is sick due to Liberalism disease

 

[Long Way Home]

I was just driving on Hwy 49 and went by Don Pedro and New Melones and it look to me to have plenty of water for boating/skiing.

Northern California's Lakes - http://www.californiasgreatestlakes.com/cgl_home/northern.html

Current Water Level - http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/products/rescond.pdf

 

[funkcity]

Today at 14% and still draining it
On the SLO News:

 

[Tank]

Haven’t seen it that low in about 6 years. Fuckin sad.

 

[grumpy88]

Sounds like it's time to get a kayak and metal detector . No water no fun

 

[Flying_Lavey]

And if the Salinas River coalition gets their way, this is gonna be a more normal occurance. They habe sued the water resource board to release more every year.

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[Tank]

And if the Salinas River coalition gets their way, this is gonna be a more normal occurance. They habe sued the water resource board to release more every year.

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Buddies family has owned in heritage for over 35 years. They’re right on the pint next to the Totom pole and flag and have a dock there. They tell me on the late 80’s or early 90’s it went full dry!! Brought out the motorcycles an quads and ducked shit up in the mud for miles!!! I guess turning lemons on I lemonade.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Buddies family has owned in heritage for over 35 years. They’re right on the pint next to the Totom pole and flag and have a dock there. They tell me on the late 80’s or early 90’s it went full dry!! Brought out the motorcycles an quads and ducked shit up in the mud for miles!!! I guess turning lemons on I lemonade.

Yeah, that would be super fun. Except the powers that be flip the fuck out of someone drives on the lake bed due to the potential mercury in the soil.

Btw, they mean most coves were dry. The lake has never been to dead pool level.

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[Danger Dave]

English can't be that reporters first language.

 

[707dog]

just sad man LV hope the powers working for the people of your area can win that battle but after watching a few cali water documentaries of all the shady shit that goes on with these agencies and its backers seems like a huge squirrel hole for anyone snooping around or trying to stand up...it's a steep uphill battle i hope you guys can win this one for the good guys

 

[rrrr]

The fact the supervisors board can control the lake levels is a perfect example of how our legislators have given power to the unelected bureaucracy.

The EPA and Department of Education are federal examples. In California, there's CARB, SCAQMD, and God knows how many more state agencies that tell you what to do, and as a citizen you can't do shit about it.

You poor fuckers can't even clean a paint spray gun without a machine and paying for a permit.

 

[Stayin'ontop]

It's a crisis. People thought we were all good because it rained a few times season before last. we ARE NOT ALL GOOD. the water crisis in CA is real and no one seems to really be taking it serious, at the state level. It's not just CA lakes....the Colorado river system is fucked also. Powel is below 50% capacity and Mead is less than that. But what do we do here in SO. CA? we just keep piling people in as we potentially head right back into a drought. it's frustrating and incredibly worrisome.
Sorry, venting complete

 

[rivrrts429]

It's a crisis. People thought we were all good because it rained a few times season before last. we ARE NOT ALL GOOD. the water crisis in CA is real and no one seems to really be taking it serious, at the state level. It's not just CA lakes....the Colorado river system is fucked also. Powel is below 50% capacity and Mead is less than that. But what do we do here in SO. CA? we just keep piling people in as we potentially head right back into a drought. it's frustrating and incredibly worrisome.
Sorry, venting complete

There is plenty of water. It’s the people in charge of where and who gets it that is the problem.

The “drought” discussion is non-sense and gets the everyday citizen looking in the wrong places for a fix, exactly what the politicians want.

Water is worth more than its weight in gold. It’s California’s Texas tea. It’s being bought and sold behind closed doors no different that projects like the bullet train are done.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

There is plenty of water. It’s the people in charge of where and who gets it that is the problem.

The “drought” discussion is non-sense and gets the everyday citizen looking in the wrong places for a fix, exactly what the politicians want.

Water is worth more than its weight in gold. It’s California’s Texas tea. It’s being bought and sold behind closed doors no different that projects like the bullet train are done.

Precisely. And the Naci release lawsuit is a prime example.

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[Big B Hova]

Jerry Brown fixed our water problem. He raised rates, said dont wash your car and I quote "the days of taking a shower every day are over"

Fuck you Jerry Brown

 

[rrrr]

The Delta Smelt scam continues to steal water from Californians, and the bureaucracy has so much power it can't be stopped.

The Trump administration is attempting to rein in the bureaucracy by changing the ability of the US Fish and Wildlife Service to arbitrarily designate protected areas and effectively steal land from owners by declaring it habitat for species that aren't even on the land.

If you're interested in learning the abuses of the F&W Service and the Endangered Species Act, read the Wall Street Journal Story below. I posted the entire story because the WSJ is behind a pay wall.

If you hate Trump, don't care about your rights being suborned to the unelected, and want to keep your head in the sand, skip it.

Hospitality
Government efforts to save a rare amphibian species have skewed incentives for conservation.

When startled, the dusky gopher frog covers its eyes, looks out, and covers its eyes again, as if playing peekaboo. This shy frog would seem an unlikely candidate to draw the attention of the Supreme Court. Yet the dusty gopher frog is the star of a case that will be heard Monday, Weyerhaeuser v. U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

For decades the dusky gopher frog’s habitat has been shrunk by fire suppression, human development and other factors. Today this species lives only in a few isolated ponds in southern Mississippi. Like most endangered species—70% of which depend on private land for most of their habitat—the dusky gopher frog’s recovery depends on private landowners’ incentives to create conditions in which it can flourish.

Unfortunately, federal regulations skew those incentives. Under the Endangered Species Act, the government imposes burdensome regulations on private landowners who preserve habitats and allow rare species to live on their property. In effect, the law punishes the very people responsible for species’ survival.

Weyerhaeuser concerns a provision of the act that authorizes bureaucrats to designate private land as “critical habitat” for rare species, costing private owners time and money. That might seem reasonable to protect wildlife, but the government has often extended critical-habitat status to areas where endangered species aren’t threatened—or where they aren’t even present. Weyerhaeuser asks whether the federal government can designate private land as “critical habitat” if it isn’t even habitat at all.

In 2011 the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service designated 1,500 acres of private land in Louisiana for the dusky gopher frog, even though it acknowledges none live there or could survive there without substantially changing the land. The agency based the designation on the possibility that the land could be converted to habitat by burning down its trees, planting different ones, and by altering its ponds to provide breeding sites. The agency has no authority to require these changes, so that the designation harms landowners without any benefit to the species.

Critical-habitat status makes it more difficult to recover species by discouraging landowners from creating and maintaining suitable habitats. In the dusky gopher frog case, the government estimates that the designation will cost property owners as much as $34 million. Do the feds expect the owners will go on to make the additional investments needed to prepare for hypothetical frogs? The designation breeds resentment among landowners who otherwise might be partners in conservation.

That’s a shame, because the dusky gopher frog’s future depends on such partnerships. Its existing habitat is too small for a full recovery. Recognizing this challenge, the Nature Conservancy, one of the world’s largest environmental groups, has worked for 18 years to create habitat for the frog on its properties. The group must actively manage the land to maximize the species’ chances of survival and reproduction, including through prescribed burns. That work is paying off. The frog has increased from one breeding population in 2004 to six today.

Instead of punishing landowners, government should encourage them to undertake recovery efforts like the Nature Conservancy’s. That starts with removing the strong disincentive to conservation created by critical-habitat status. Restoring and creating habitat requires landowners to sink significant resources and energy into the effort and possibly forgo other lucrative uses of their land. A heavier regulatory burden discourages these investments and increases the cost of recovering species.

If the Supreme Court sides with the property owner, it will have struck a small blow for recovering species. It wouldn’t be a complete fix. Ultimately, the Endangered Species Act needs reform, so that rare species are assets rather than liabilities for property owners. Meanwhile, the Supreme Court should not allow regulators to make matters worse by expanding their power at the expense of property owners’ incentives to pursue conservation.

 

[Stayin'ontop]

There is plenty of water. It’s the people in charge of where and who gets it that is the problem.

The “drought” discussion is non-sense and gets the everyday citizen looking in the wrong places for a fix, exactly what the politicians want.

Water is worth more than its weight in gold. It’s California’s Texas tea. It’s being bought and sold behind closed doors no different that projects like the bullet train are done.

I completely understand that water rights and how it's being used is a huge deal, but you're completely ignorant if you don't think there's a real problem with the amount we currently have stored.
we need more reservoirs built that sensibly capture the rain we do get. runoff is a joke and nothing is being done about it

 

[rrrr]

I completely understand that water rights and how it's being used is a huge deal, but you're completely ignorant if you don't think there's a real problem with the amount we currently have stored.
we need more reservoirs built that sensibly capture the rain we do get. runoff is a joke and nothing is being done about it

I am utterly amazed that a large number of people in Northern California are campaigning to have the Hetch Hetchey dam and reservoir destroyed. It provides 85% of San Francisco's water.

What the fuck will happen then? Where will the water come from to supply the millions living in the Bay Area? What do they think the valley is going to look like after being submerged for almost 100 years?

I've read stories that claim it will revert to its former state in 10 years if the lake is drained. That's completely idiotic.

These are the same people that are taking over government and fomenting racial, biological, and gender hate. They are indoctrinating children, and destroying free speech.

 

[Waterjunky]

The problem with the article is that they leave out details like The Nature Conservancy (TNC) in many cases are the ones who push the "rezoning" of private ground through. I worked in the restoration industry for several years near (not for) TNC and was involved in a family property deal with TNC. They make Killery look honest and noble in many of their deals. I do not know the details of this frog, but know clearly how they push changes such as mentioned above and then come in and make a lowball offer to buy the property. California has allocated hundreds of millions if not billions of tax dollars to this type of work. Every bond or tax that involves water or anything to do with it is totally pork barrel loaded with this cash. If TNC cannot rezone the property and they really want it, they come in, directly backed by state tax dollars from the above mentioned hand outs, and just throw buckets of money at it. I watched multiple pieces of high quality farm ground get gobbled up like this when I was in the industry. I watched them spend 25+% over market value to outbid everyone, that's fine but it wasn't their money they were spending. They would hoop and holler that they are funded from donations and such but when you dig deeper, their cash to do most of this is not actually donations, good old state tax dollars they leach off the system. This means they truly have a blank checkbook if they want a property. There are some, some restrictions on the state money but when the ideology of the overseers matches the crooks........ Nothing they can't and regularly don't easily get around. The system was intentionally build this way so they could intentionally exploit the loopholes. After all they help write much of the key legislation regulating the industry.

TNC is about as dirty as they get in politics. Yet fools send them money every month and every year........

 

[rivermobster]

The problem with the article is that they leave out details like The Nature Conservancy (TNC) in many cases are the ones who push the "rezoning" of private ground through. I worked in the restoration industry for several years near (not for) TNC and was involved in a family property deal with TNC. They make Killery look honest and noble in many of their deals. I do not know the details of this frog, but know clearly how they push changes such as mentioned above and then come in and make a lowball offer to buy the property. California has allocated hundreds of millions if not billions of tax dollars to this type of work. Every bond or tax that involves water or anything to do with it is totally pork barrel loaded with this cash. If TNC cannot rezone the property and they really want it, they come in, directly backed by state tax dollars from the above mentioned hand outs, and just throw buckets of money at it. I watched multiple pieces of high quality farm ground get gobbled up like this when I was in the industry. I watched them spend 25+% over market value to outbid everyone, that's fine but it wasn't their money they were spending. They would hoop and holler that they are funded from donations and such but when you dig deeper, their cash to do most of this is not actually donations, good old state tax dollars they leach off the system. This means they truly have a blank checkbook if they want a property. There are some, some restrictions on the state money but when the ideology of the overseers matches the crooks........ Nothing they can't and regularly don't easily get around. The system was intentionally build this way so they could intentionally exploit the loopholes. After all they help write much of the key legislation regulating the industry.

TNC is about as dirty as they get in politics. Yet fools send them money every month and every year........

Is this another branch of the Center For Biological Diversity? The CBD is about as bad as it gets....so I thought.

 

[jetboatperformance]

as a native we have been watching this fight for years , reality is recreational boaters and fishermen aren't as valuable as Grape growers and farmers buying H2o

 

[rrrr]

as a native we have been watching this fight for years , reality is recreational boaters and fishermen aren't as valuable as Grape growers and farmers buying H2o

Or a few thousand small fish.