More on California’s man made drought

[mash on it]

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The Resnicks use at least 120 billion gallons a year, two-thirds on nuts, enough to supply San Francisco’s 852,000 residents for a decade.

America's Nuttiest Billionaire Couple: Amid Drought, Stewart And Lynda Resnick Are Richer Than Ever

Fresh off sapping the water from a Pacific island and flogging pomegranate juice with questionable health claims, Stewart and Lynda Resnick, the billionaire couple behind Fiji Water and POM Wonderful, are profiting off pistachios and almonds with the same combination of marketing genius and...

www.forbes.com

That's about 368,266 ACRE FEET per year. But there's no water shortage in California.

Dan'l

 

[rivermobster]

That's about 368,266 ACRE FEET per year. But there's no water shortage in California.

Dan'l

I think it's just now coming to light, what these people have accomplished over the years, when no one was paying attention!

There is documentary on National Geographic about them, and it's less that flattering.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I think it's just now coming to light, what these people have accomplished over the years, when no one was paying attention!

There is documentary on National Geographic about them, and it's less that flattering.

What they accomplished through their foresight of fairly acquiring land and water rights via the free market?

The amount of water they used in a YEAR to farm nuts… that same water that could supply San Francisco for a DECADE was lost in a single DAY because of the ineptitude of CA leadership for half a century.

There is no water supply problem. There is a water management problem

 

[t&y]

Read on...

The Resnicks use at least 120 billion gallons a year, two-thirds on nuts, enough to supply San Francisco’s 852,000 residents for a decade.

America's Nuttiest Billionaire Couple: Amid Drought, Stewart And Lynda Resnick Are Richer Than Ever

Fresh off sapping the water from a Pacific island and flogging pomegranate juice with questionable health claims, Stewart and Lynda Resnick, the billionaire couple behind Fiji Water and POM Wonderful, are profiting off pistachios and almonds with the same combination of marketing genius and...

www.forbes.com

Hey man, nuts are important!

 

[rivermobster]

Hey man, nuts are important!

We gots overstock on RDP.

 

[ChiliPepperGarage]

Read on...

The Resnicks use at least 120 billion gallons a year, two-thirds on nuts, enough to supply San Francisco’s 852,000 residents for a decade.

America's Nuttiest Billionaire Couple: Amid Drought, Stewart And Lynda Resnick Are Richer Than Ever

Fresh off sapping the water from a Pacific island and flogging pomegranate juice with questionable health claims, Stewart and Lynda Resnick, the billionaire couple behind Fiji Water and POM Wonderful, are profiting off pistachios and almonds with the same combination of marketing genius and...

www.forbes.com

Well, that's just nuts.

 

[ChiliPepperGarage]

This is interesting. The whole San Joaquin Valley used to be a lake until it overflowed and created the SF Bay, draining the lake.

 

[hallett21]

Malibu CA right now lol

 

[WhatExit?]

Remember when they said everyone must wear a mask and stay 6' apart?

(Lake Oroville has too much water)

“The water issues haven’t gone away,” Jay Lund, vice director of the Center for Watershed Sciences at the University of California, Davis, told the New York Times. “They’re just taking more of a backseat.”

See How a Wild, Wet Winter Has Transformed California

California is drenched.

news.yahoo.com

3 reasons why California's drought isn't really over, despite all the rain...

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/23/1165378214/3-reasons-why-californias-drought-isnt-really-over-despite-all-the-rain

 

[hallett21]

Remember when they said everyone must wear a mask and stay 6' apart?

(Lake Oroville has too much water)

“The water issues haven’t gone away,” Jay Lund, vice director of the Center for Watershed Sciences at the University of California, Davis, told the New York Times. “They’re just taking more of a backseat.”

See How a Wild, Wet Winter Has Transformed California

California is drenched.

news.yahoo.com

3 reasons why California's drought isn't really over, despite all the rain...

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/23/1165378214/3-reasons-why-californias-drought-isnt-really-over-despite-all-the-rain

It’s truly amazing how one sided some articles can be.

 

[rivermobster]

It’s truly amazing how one sided some articles can be.

You spelled "people" wrong.

 

[hallett21]

You spelled "people" wrong.

The yahoo one was bearable. The NPR went lefty out of the gate.

 

[92562]

This is interesting. The whole San Joaquin Valley used to be a lake until it overflowed and created the SF Bay, draining the lake.

It's a good video but he lost me at "climate change."

 

[Ducksquasher]

The yahoo one was bearable. The NPR went lefty out of the gate

Not a big NPR guy but they are correct about the underground aquifers. That is what pisses me off the most...that water is pumped out with no regulation and regard. All of this flood water and it isn't being pumped back down there to replenish it. When the say "there is a plan in place" that means that they talked about it once and nothing is going to happen. BS!

 

[1manshow]

Do you suppose the author is working diligently on his retraction, or is he gonna wait it out to see what happens?

Study: Sierra Snowpack Could All But Disappear In 25 Years

Winters with little or no snow could become commonplace in the Sierra Nevada as soon as 25 years from now, according to an alarming new study.

sfist.com

 

[WhatExit?]

Congratulations SoCal, Diamond Valley Lake reservoir (largest in SoCal) is being refilled

'Nature gave us a lifeline': Southern California refills largest reservoir in dramatic fashion

Diamond Valley Lake — a backbone of the region's water storage system — should refill to its full capacity by the end of this year, officials said.

www.latimes.com

And...

California's looming snowmelt to resurrect lost Tulare Lake

California's big snowmelt set to resurrect a lost lake

Tulare Lake, once the largest freshwater body west of the Mississippi, is making a comeback.

www.axios.com

 

[DWC]

Do you suppose the author is working diligently on his retraction, or is he gonna wait it out to see what happens?

Study: Sierra Snowpack Could All But Disappear In 25 Years

Winters with little or no snow could become commonplace in the Sierra Nevada as soon as 25 years from now, according to an alarming new study.

sfist.com

No chance, they’ll lean into the Climate Change agenda. Weather is unpredictable and dangerous now.

 

[Western Flyer]

Not a big NPR guy but they are correct about the underground aquifers. That is what pisses me off the most...that water is pumped out with no regulation and regard. All of this flood water and it isn't being pumped back down there to replenish it. When the say "there is a plan in place" that means that they talked about it once and nothing is going to happen. BS!

Just a question- is there an actual way to pump water DOWN to the aquifers? I get that we can pump UP from them. Are they not filled by saturation or trapping by geologic action?

 

[hallett21]

Just a question- is there an actual way to pump water DOWN to the aquifers? I get that we can pump UP from them. Are they not filled by saturation or trapping by geologic action?

@was thatguy


What’s also wild is how far the Central Valley of CA has fallen from aquifers being drained. It’s something like 80+ ft. This dates back to the 20’s and didn’t happen over night.

 

[t&y]

@was thatguy


What’s also wild is how far the Central Valley of CA has fallen from aquifers being drained. It’s something like 80+ ft. This dates back to the 20’s and didn’t happen over night.

Well yeah, but what's really more important here. What would we do without the ability to grow Strawberries and Walnuts all year? lol

 

[hallett21]

Well yeah, but what's really more important here. What would we do without the ability to grow Strawberries and Walnuts all year? lol

Lol I didn’t mean to say i’m against AG. I just was shocked by the data.

 

[Crazyhippy]

Just a question- is there an actual way to pump water DOWN to the aquifers? I get that we can pump UP from them. Are they not filled by saturation or trapping by geologic action?

I know between Ventura and Camarillo there are decent sized man made ponds that were built to direct water from the Santa Clara River back to the aquifers.

No idea how effective they are. @Malibuvride07 may be able to provide some info?

 

[Malibuvride07]

I know between Ventura and Camarillo there are decent sized man made ponds that were built to direct water from the Santa Clara River back to the aquifers.

No idea how effective they are. @Malibuvride07 may be able to provide some info?

The ponds along the 118 near the Santa Clara river is a geologic formation where the aquifers were lifted up when the mountains formed. So they easily add water to the aquifers under the Oxnard plains. Other than that many large water companies use injection wells to put water in the under ground aquifers to store for later to be pumped out.
But to that point regulations are strict in some areas and not in others for sure as well as many legal battles going on for those water rights. The old saying water is for fighting and whiskey for drinking is absolutely true.

 

[1manshow]

@was thatguy


What’s also wild is how far the Central Valley of CA has fallen from aquifers being drained. It’s something like 80+ ft. This dates back to the 20’s and didn’t happen over night.

What’s even wilder is our genius government is building a high speed rail right thru the area that has the most subsidence. It’s is a know fact at least from what the engineers have said at the meetings I’ve been to the even if every farmer in our 60,000 acre district stopped pumping today we would still have subsidence. The land was dropping even when the district was flush with water 20+years ago before they started flushing it out to sea.

 

[1manshow]

Well yeah, but what's really more important here. What would we do without the ability to grow Strawberries and Walnuts all year? lol

You sound just like Californias politicians.. You can point out the problems 100 times and no matter what they just turn their heads the other way. Hopefully this info below can help you change your mind that growing food for people is not such a dumb thing and you can see for yourself we’re the problem is.

 

[Shlbyntro]

Just a question- is there an actual way to pump water DOWN to the aquifers? I get that we can pump UP from them. Are they not filled by saturation or trapping by geologic action?

Sure, its called "Fracking." California should get on board

 

[Western Flyer]

You sound just like Californias politicians.. You can point out the problems 100 times and no matter what they just turn their heads the other way. Hopefully this info below can help you change your mind that growing food for people is not such a dumb thing and you can see for yourself we’re the problem is.

You're a little quick on the trigger, Skippy. You completely missed his sarcasm.

 

[welldigger00]

Sure, it’s called "Fracking." California should get on board

That’s Not quite accurate. WTG can give a better explanation, but Fracking is a technique that is used in oil production. Yes, they pump a ton of water in to the ground during this process, but it’ll usually have a media with it, and possibly a polymer? It’s used to fracture the ground, hence the term “fracking”. It’s intended to opened up the pay zones to produce more oil. There are “injection wells” that are for pumping water back into the aquifer. Typically if a production water well can produce X amount of water, it’ll typically receive that flow rate in an injection situation. But what do I know, I’m a truck driver now. Welldigger00 was my past life

 

[Shlbyntro]

That’s Not quite accurate. WTG can give a better explanation, but Fracking is a technique that is used in oil production. Yes, they pump a ton of water in to the ground during this process, but it’ll usually have a media with it, and possibly a polymer? It’s used to fracture the ground, hence the term “fracking”. It’s intended to opened up the pay zones to produce more oil. There are “injection wells” that are for pumping water back into the aquifer. Typically if a production water well can produce X amount of water, it’ll typically receive that flow rate in an injection situation. But what do I know, I’m a truck driver now. Welldigger00 was my past life

way to ruin a perfectly good partially accurate joke

 

[t&y]

You sound just like Californias politicians.. You can point out the problems 100 times and no matter what they just turn their heads the other way. Hopefully this info below can help you change your mind that growing food for people is not such a dumb thing and you can see for yourself we’re the problem is.

What essential food do you grow?

 

[1manshow]

What essential food do you grow?

Every different food we grow is essential to everyone in different way… Our family farm grows/produces Milk,cheese,butter,ice cream,beef,almonds,pistachios,corn,wheat…..
What food do you eat that is essential to you?

 

[1manshow]

You're a little quick on the trigger, Skippy. You completely missed his sarcasm.
There’s no sacasm to miss here…

 

[t&y]

Every different food we grow is essential to everyone in different way… Our family farm grows/produces Milk,cheese,butter,ice cream,beef,almonds,pistachios,corn,wheat…..
What food do you eat that is essential to you?

So do you farm commercially, or privately, because your set up here sounds like most of my neighbors with exception to almonds or pistachios. Along with beef, most of them have goats and chickens too. I chose not to be a farmer or rancher so I use my space differently than most in my neighborhood. Haven't had to water my lawn for the last 4 months for what its worth.

Essential food to me, Panera. Generally I go with the sausage cheese and egg on chibata bread.

No idea where your farm is, and I'm not attacking your life style. I'm trying to apply common sense to an issue that goes beyond one families needs. Unless you are of the mindset that one individual family is all that matters regardless of consequences to a population as a whole. While you can argue that Beef is essential to your families food preferences, it really isn't essential to human survival. Nor is milk from cows, almonds or pistachios. We as a nation rely heavily on corn and wheat products, no argument there. But are they really so essential (or essential at all) that we should ignore resource heavy impact of setting up 100's of thousands of acres, if not millions of commercial farm land in the middle of desert? Or maybe chose a location that is naturally supported without the need to limit peoples access to water elsewhere.

Would you suggest setting up 24/7 365 days a year farming in the middle of Death Valley?

It appears you've already written me off as anti farming which is fine. I guess I would agree that I am "anti farming in the middle of a desert" kind of guy. And we do agree that California as a whole has a water storage issue right along with its water use issue. Both of those have to do with population density more than a choice of profession or what foods are essential to mine or your family.

 

[CarolynandBob]

So do you farm commercially, or privately, because your set up here sounds like most of my neighbors with exception to almonds or pistachios. Along with beef, most of them have goats and chickens too. I chose not to be a farmer or rancher so I use my space differently than most in my neighborhood. Haven't had to water my lawn for the last 4 months for what its worth.

Essential food to me, Panera. Generally I go with the sausage cheese and egg on chibata bread.

No idea where your farm is, and I'm not attacking your life style. I'm trying to apply common sense to an issue that goes beyond one families needs. Unless you are of the mindset that one individual family is all that matters regardless of consequences to a population as a whole. While you can argue that Beef is essential to your families food preferences, it really isn't essential to human survival. Nor is milk from cows, almonds or pistachios. We as a nation rely heavily on corn and wheat products, no argument there. But are they really so essential (or essential at all) that we should ignore resource heavy impact of setting up 100's of thousands of acres, if not millions of commercial farm land in the middle of desert? Or maybe chose a location that is naturally supported without the need to limit peoples access to water elsewhere.

Would you suggest setting up 24/7 365 days a year farming in the middle of Death Valley?

It appears you've already written me off as anti farming which is fine. I guess I would agree that I am "anti farming in the middle of a desert" kind of guy. And we do agree that California as a whole has a water storage issue right along with its water use issue. Both of those have to do with population density more than a choice of profession or what foods are essential to mine or your family.

I agree with most of what you said, but BEEF is essential. LOL

 

[t&y]

I agree with most of what you said, but BEEF is essential. LOL

Lol. Yeah, beef eating family here. Point being, you can get the same proteins and nutrients you get from BEEF from other sources. It is not something that man kind absolutely needs to have to survive on.

Curious, what uses more water... Cattle or Agriculture farming in the desert? Both definitely need water to survive...

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Lol. Yeah, beef eating family here. Point being, you can get the same proteins and nutrients you get from BEEF from other sources. It is not something that man kind absolutely needs to have to survive on.

Curious, what uses more water... Cattle or Agriculture farming in the desert? Both definitely need water to survive...

Btw, I read an article that said researchers have attributed cooking meat to your brains advancement versus just eating meat raw like everywhere species. Maybe that's why there is so much stupidity now...... too many vegetarians. Lol!

 

[t&y]

Btw, I read an article that said researchers have attributed cooking meat to your brains advancement versus just eating meat raw like everywhere species. Maybe that's why there is so much stupidity now...... too many vegetarians. Lol!

Save the plants, eat a cow!

 

[82daytona]

Every different food we grow is essential to everyone in different way… Our family farm grows/produces Milk,cheese,butter,ice cream,beef,almonds,pistachios,corn,wheat…..
What food do you eat that is essential to you?

Check your PM’s

 

[Wedgy]

Cheese and Rice!! That escalated quickly

 

[redone76]

Lopez is looking good for the summer!!

 

[Lumpy]

Lopez is looking good for the summer!!
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You live here in AG?

 

[redone76]

You live here in AG?

No sir. My best friend does though. Lives on Huasna Rd. He was up there for a business meeting yesterday and sent me those pics. I’m hoping to move up there soon! About done with LA.

 

[Lumpy]

It's the last great place to live in California! That's right...he's the chubby cheeks guy right? I drive by his house about every other day.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Just a question- is there an actual way to pump water DOWN to the aquifers? I get that we can pump UP from them. Are they not filled by saturation or trapping by geologic action?

No. Aside from a very few areas.

Additionally when you start pumping ground water at a given rate the ground collapses permanently removing storage capacity.

This is why the inland valley has subsided something like 25 feet since the 20's.

 

[lbhsbz]

I agree with most of what you said, but BEEF is essential. LOL

Beef comes from Fort Rock Farms in AZ....not CA. lol

 

[redone76]

It's the last great place to live in California! That's right...he's the chubby cheeks guy right? I drive by his house about every other day.

Yes it is!!! Don’t tell anyone though! Haha. Yep that’s my good buddy Dave. His wife’s family has had that property since the 60s I believe

 

[1manshow]

Lol. Yeah, beef eating family here. Point being, you can get the same proteins and nutrients you get from BEEF from other sources. It is not something that man kind absolutely needs to have to survive on.

Curious, what uses more water... Cattle or Agriculture farming in the desert? Both definitely need water to survive...

Alittle information for those who might be interested on how many acre feet certain crops use.

 

[1manshow]

Lol. Yeah, beef eating family here. Point being, you can get the same proteins and nutrients you get from BEEF from other sources. It is not something that man kind absolutely needs to have to survive on.

Curious, what uses more water... Cattle or Agriculture farming in the desert? Both definitely need water to survive...

I know you love to call Central California the desert but has anyone that you know of ever been able to take a boat from Glamis to Los Angeles?? Or from Havasu to Palm Springs? What I call desert and what you call desert obviously is way different . Not sure if you know this or not but many many years ago you could take a boat from Bakersfield to Sacramento and I know of some old timers that have done it. At one time it was the biggest body of water west of the Mississippi. You can call it what you want but we wouldn’t be drying up the best farm land in the country if the water wasn’t heading to So Cal. Pictures below give a small perspective of what going to be a bigger lake than 1983 which covered well over 100,000 acres.

 

[Reddy Too]

I know you love to call Central California the desert but has anyone that you know of ever been able to take a boat from Glamis to Los Angeles?? Or from Havasu to Palm Springs? What I call desert and what you call desert obviously is way different . Not sure if you know this or not but many many years ago you could take a boat from Bakersfield to Sacramento and I know of some old timers that have done it. At one time it was the biggest body of water west of the Mississippi. You can call it what you want but we wouldn’t be drying up the best farm land in the country if the water wasn’t heading to So Cal. Pictures below give a small perspective of what going to be a bigger lake than 1983 which covered well over 100,000 acres.

Tulare Lake is the name of the water body you speak of. Perhaps before blaming outsiders for the “drying of farmland” maybe look at the practices of corporate AG that recognized the value of diversion and manipulation of seasonal flooding in order to maximize very productive acreage. Just a thought.

 

[Taboma]

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Alittle information for those who might be interested on how many acre feet certain crops use.

The Problem with Pecans, like the 16,000 that really thoughtful California Republican Congressman John Duarte planted, that's sucking up Kingman's aquifer ---- is that the damn trees won't yield a pecan for another 19 years.
And because it's for Arizona's beloved agriculture priorities, they're now grandfathered in, just like Rhoades selling hay to China.