More cheap crate engines

[Dalton]

so far I know of blueprintengines and now these guys

http://www.ohiocrank.com/enginespage1.html

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Crazy pricing

 

[TPC]

I always took the term crate to mean factory new.
Is it a broader definition now?

 

[Dalton]

I always took the term crate to mean factory new.
Is it a broader definition now?

from wikipedia...so its gotta be true- A crate engine is typically a fully assembled automobile engine that is shipped to the installer on a "Crate". Crate engines are manufactured by many different companies, but they all share the same characteristics of being complete engines ready to install once removed from the crate. Generally a crate engine only needs bolt on accessories such as water pump, fuel system, and exhaust. This type of engine has various applications including general replacement, hot rod builds and motorsports competition. Crate engines are often seen as an economical solution opposed to engine overhauls or custom builds.

 

[Meaney77]

Seems to good to be true! I didn't see any warranty of any sort?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

720 HP pump gas Marine 632 for $12k. nice!

 

[Constant840]

Wasn’t there a thread on here with someone who ended up with one of these engines?
RTV throughout the block. Clearances out of wack.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

720 HP pump gas Marine 632 for $12k. nice!

Probably close to $40,000 at Teaque, so what gives?

 

[boatdoc55]

Probably close to $40,000 at Teaque, so what gives?

Teague is in the SoCal bubble!!!

 

[sintax]

720 HP pump gas Marine 632 for $12k. nice!

Thats exactly what I was looking at... 900 ft lbs of torque would be legit in my heavy ass cruiser. Big cubes, seems like good parts?

Has anyone tried these guys before?

 

[spectras only]

Wouldn't be safer to get a crate engine from Summit? They do free shipping as well.

https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/mll-ps6320ctc/overview/

Automobile crate engines carry a 30-month or 50,000-mile warranty. Marine Crate engines carry a 12-month warranty.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Probably close to $40,000 at Teaque, so what gives?

You can get a $1000 Louis Vuitton purse for your wife at South Coast Plaza, or a $50 one from Target.

They aren’t in So Cal, they aren’t the top recognized name in the marine industry. The devil is in the build quality certainly, but to say no one can build a quality marine engine besides Teague and Boostpower is inaccurate too.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Wouldn't be safer to get a crate engine from Summit? They do free shipping as well.

https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/mll-ps6320ctc/overview/

Automobile crate engines carry a 30-month or 50,000-mile warranty. Marine Crate engines carry a 12-month warranty.

In before the pearl clutching. Heaven forbid!

In my opinion the biggest problem with the car crate engines is people using the wrong viscosity oil and the oil not getting it hot enough.

It is an engine, it does not know what it is in. If it is tuned properly with proper oiling, it will likely live a happy life.

 

[82daytona]

Probably close to $40,000 at Teaque, so what gives?

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[Husqy510]

A buddy of mine got a 632 from blueprint for his 26' cat and it didn't run right. He found a rocker arm off. Not sure if their was any damage or how it's running now.

 

[Yellowboat]

One of you ballers should buy one and do a year down.

Good fast cheap, pick 2

 

[ElAzul]

I've heard alot of good about blueprint engines and their service/warranty after the fact. Have also witnessed some Ohio Crankshaft engines running really strong in cars, trucks but that was a few years back. They both have been at it a long time I'm sure both have an occasional issues but seem pretty reputable

 

[Uncle Dave]

The ohio crankshaft mill is shown with huge long auto headers on it.
What does it idle at and what kind of vacuum will it pull when you put an in gear load on it at idle?
Dyno starts at 4K- not usually a great sign. whats it make from idle to 4K because your boat has to do that every time it comes on plane.
What does it make wet? and does it revert if the exhaust is underwater at idle for extended periods of time?

UD

 

[Uncle Dave]

If I were going with something from a crate Id call up the guys at Reher Morrison and have them put something together for me.

UD

 

[brgrcru]

The ohio crankshaft mill is shown with huge long auto headers on it.
What does it idle at and what kind of vacuum will it pull when you put an in gear load on it at idle?
Dyno starts at 4K- not usually a great sign. whats it make from idle to 4K because your boat has to do that every time it comes on plane.
What does it make wet? and does it revert if the exhaust is underwater at idle for extended periods of time?

UD

if you ran a jet boat with bassets ,none of what you said matters much.

 

[brgrcru]

oh ya I have heard good things about Ohio CS.
I'm sure there have been some disappointments. like most stuff.

 

[rrrr]

The ohio crankshaft mill is shown with huge long auto headers on it.
What does it idle at and what kind of vacuum will it pull when you put an in gear load on it at idle?
Dyno starts at 4K- not usually a great sign. whats it make from idle to 4K because your boat has to do that every time it comes on plane.
What does it make wet? and does it revert if the exhaust is underwater at idle for extended periods of time?

UD

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I don't think it would be an issue to dictate certain parts and procedures when buying an engine from them.If I was buying one for marine use, I would specify the cam and valvetrain, along with a few other things like piston to cylinder clearance, ring gaps, etc. Upon completion, they will dyno the engine for an additional fee.

I like the history of the company. Stability in ownership and long time family involvement usually translates into good results and people that will stand behind their work. There's a lot to be said for Midwestern family values, pride in product, and good ol' patriotism.

The following is from an article in National Dragster that is posted on the Ohio Crankshaft website.

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Ohio Crankshaft is a major supplier of high performance engines and components. Ohio Crankshaft President Stan Ray began with a one man auto-repair shop called Stan Ray & Sons in 1969, and at that time, all of his tools and equipment could fit in the trunk of his car. Determined to make the business work, he kept the shop open seven days a week, except holidays, for two years. Soon, he had enough business to close Sundays, and his 12-year-old son, Scott, began pumping gas and changing tires, among performing other duties. Before getting into the engine-repair business, Stan was employed by the Air Force as a civilian testing brake components. His interest in owning a business and his knowledge of auto repair was a natural progression into opening the auto-repair shop.

In his early days, Stan’s emphasis was on engine repair and rebuilding. Over the years, more machinery was acquired and larger buildings were built, and being a drag racer, Stan’s reputation as an engine builder grew in the industry, and his business slowly gravitated to the performance industry. Stan raced dragsters and altereds at local tracks, and as Scott became of age, he, too, began racing, graduating from local races to the Super Quick Series and eventually to Pro Mod.

The company’s lobby is typically filled with an assortment of completed engines, including a 632-cid big-block and its popular 555-cid big-block.

Ohio Crankshaft is now a three-generation business with Stan serving as president, Scott as general manager, daughter Mindy as office manager, and son-in-law Tim as manager of the block department, and Stan’s grandson, Ryan, just joined the company full time in the rod department. Family is very important to Stan, and it means a lot that they are working in the business with him.

For more than 40 years, Ohio Crankshaft has continued to be an innovator in the crankshaft industry. Its family atmosphere, friendly salespeople, and hard-working employees continue to build its reputation and its business acumen and help keep customers not only coming back but also spreading the word.

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http://www.ohiocrank.com/aboutpage1.html

 

[Uncle Dave]

if you ran a jet boat with bassets ,none of what you said matters much.

Kinda hard to get from Marina Del Rey to San Diego on the ocean with one of those.

UD

 

[rrrr]

If I were going with something from a crate Id call up the guys at Reher Morrison and have them put something together for me.

UD

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Reher and Morrison built the 510 CI General Motors DRCE (Drag Racing Competition Engine) used in the Spirit of Rett, the AA/FS that beat the 50 year old Land Speed Record held by the Summer's Brother's Goldenrod.

The DRCE was designed by GM engineers specifically for NHRA Pro Stock. Reher and Morrison modified this one for the seven mile long course at Bonneville, running at full throttle for almost one and a quarter minutes on the bottle instead of the naturally aspirated six seconds it was designed for. It produced about 2,300 HP on the dyno.

I was lucky enough to crew on the car for almost a year, converting it from AA/FS configuration to run in A/FS and A/GS. In 2011, I worked on the car from January to August before we went to Speedweeks. It took that much time to get the Liberty air shifted five speed transmission and the massive Winters differential rebuilt, have the engine destroked by R&M, rebuild the brake system, perform some mods to the fiberglass body panels, rework the parachute tube ejection mechanism, add some sensors to the CAN bus and reprogram the RacePak dash, bead blast the wheels and some suspension components for new powdercoat, clean up some salt corrosion and repaint the frame, and dozens of other small projects.

We set new records in A/FS (379.609), and A/GS (353.825). It's pretty cool having SCTA trophies on the shelf with my other racing stuff.


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[dryhoze1]

In before the pearl clutching. Heaven forbid!

In my opinion the biggest problem with the car crate engines is people using the wrong viscosity oil and the oil not getting it hot enough.



It is an engine, it does not know what it is in. If it is tuned properly with proper oiling, it will likely live a happy life.

Really?


Piston to wall plays a pretty big factor in the marine to automotive applications. (Among other things )

Especially pulling water in from the lake


Get some slick 50 buddy !

 

[707dog]

anyone got any opinions on the skip white motors? been looking at there 450-500 hp 383's for the camaro. so many engine builders online you get lost keeping track and all have had some issues with builds its how they treat you after something happens speaks volumes.

 

[was thatguy]

I could be wrong, but I think most people go with a “crate” engine to save money and time? Especially without any sort of core.
To me, a $40K-$100K RM or Sonny’s etc package engine isn’t really a “crate” engine?
For instance, my neighbor in Anderson got a 383 sbc from Summit to plug into his beautiful 67 RS Camaro a few years back. Don’t remember if it was a blueprint or GM but it was a great running engine for less than $5K and required zero fanfare to install.
When I worked for Bob Hayes in Anchorage we’d have customers bring in crate engines to check out before installing. New GM performance engines were usually correct, but we’d get offbrand “rebuilder” crate engines that were just a mess sometimes.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Really?


Piston to wall plays a pretty big factor in the marine to automotive applications. (Among other things )

Especially pulling water in from the lake


Get some slick 50 buddy !

Correct. The differences are not that great for general NA applications.

Really?


Piston to wall plays a pretty big factor in the marine to automotive applications. (Among other things )

Especially pulling water in from the lake


Get some slick 50 buddy !

I’m talking large NA engines making several hundred HP here. If you are forced induction making more power than that, everything comes into play because your margin for error is smaller.

You scuff pistons and lift ring lands from too high of EGTs, and/or from overheating. You keep those temps under control, all is well.

 

[Uncle Dave]

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Reher and Morrison built the 510 CI General Motors DRCE (Drag Racing Competition Engine) used in the Spirit of Rett, the AA/FS that beat the 50 year old Land Speed Record held by the Summer's Brother's Goldenrod.

The DRCE was designed by GM engineers specifically for NHRA Pro Stock. Reher and Morrison modified this one for the seven mile long course at Bonneville, running at full throttle for almost one and a quarter minutes on the bottle instead of the naturally aspirated six seconds it was designed for. It produced about 2,300 HP on the dyno.

I was lucky enough to crew on the car for almost a year, converting it from AA/FS configuration to run in A/FS and A/GS. In 2011, I worked on the car from January to August before we went to Speedweeks. It took that much time to get the Liberty air shifted five speed transmission and the massive Winters differential rebuilt, have the engine destroked by R&M, rebuild the brake system, perform some mods to the fiberglass body panels, rework the parachute tube ejection mechanism, add some sensors to the CAN bus and reprogram the RacePak dash, bead blast the wheels and some suspension components for new powdercoat, clean up some salt corrosion and repaint the frame, and dozens of other small projects.

We set new records in A/FS (379.609), and A/GS (353.825). It's pretty cool having SCTA trophies on the shelf with my other racing stuff.

I believe the guys at Ohio crank can probably do whatever you want and make a nice mill.
I just don't know them and haven't seen one in a boat where I have used RM before and they were great to work with.

Your time working with R&M sound like an absolute ball as well as an incredible learning experience. Id have loved to be able to do something like that.

Mid West values and work ethic mean a lot to me having grown up there.

My moms parents worked at Inland Steel in Gary for 30 years and my dad's parents had an Olds and Oliver dealership as well as service station ultimately retiring to farm about 700 acres outside of Wheatfield Indiana.

Grandad used to work with Earl Gaerte building sprint car engines playing around with Rocket V8 blocks before the whole industry turned chevy, I feel very privileged to have been able to meet and hang out with Earl and his crew even though I was still a snot-nosed kid.

UD