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Greetings! I have been wanting to write some stories to post up on RDP for years because I figure a lot of people here would really enjoy them.

A very few of you here may recall my stories back in the good ‘ol days of Glamisdunes.com.

The problem is putting these tales together takes quite a bit of time-something I seem to lack anymore.

Well, recent events made me decide I need to at least take a stab at sharing some of my misadventures, so here goes my first installment.

My stories have typically been about my personal experiences, and usually involve my work, and all the messed up situations I somehow find myself in, all the messed up things I find myself working on, and occasionally, the cool shit I get to do when it’s not all going to hell. I expect this story will be no different.

Sit back, relax, and I hope you all enjoy the ride!



First, a little background for context.

My wife, Denise, and I own and operate an electrical contracting business. It’s small. Really small-her and I are currently the entire company. We do everything from initial point of contact with a customer through the actual field work and everything in between. Currently, and for a number of years now, our primary focus is on off-grid solar system installations. We have had the great good fortune to work on a lot of really neat projects for a lot of really great people. We generally handle an entire installation in-house; secondary design considerations, setting the ground mount arrays, trenching, conduit, wiring, inverters, batteries-the whole job from start to finish and often a lot more than just installing the power system.

In order to do that, we have an arsenal of cool tools to enable us to punch above our weight, so to speak.

If people here seem interested, perhaps I will do a thread on our gaggle of cool tools, but in the interest of getting this story moving, lets jump into this past Mondays misadventures.


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This is how we roll out to a typical job. I drive the Freightliner service truck and tow whatever equipment we need, and Denise drives the F-350 service truck and drags along our heavily modified toyhauler that is our mobile office and living quarters.

This past Monday, after a day and a half of loading up equipment and supplies, and dealing with a lot of issues in the process, we left our home base in Fort Rock, and headed East for the Prescott area for a pretty big job up in the Mingus Mountains at a 4H camp there that is completely off grid and in dire need of a power upgrade.

It’s a job that has taken over 6 months to put together, and has had a lot of delays and hurdles to clear, so finally getting to head out and do the work was pretty exciting!

Typically, I let Denise lead and I follow, which works out well because I have a lead foot and she keeps me from going too fast. The trip went pretty well, considering that we got a late start, all the way to Chino Valley. There we began the dreaded run through all the round-abouts they have installed there. God-those get old!

We survived the round-abouts and down-town traffic and somehow miraculously managed to even stay together through all the traffic. Finally, we left Prescott Valley in our rear view and began the long pull up the mountain from Prescott Valley to the summit of Mingus mountain.

If you’ve never gone up the 89a from Prescott Valley to Mingus Mountain, you’re missing out-it’s beautiful.

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Unless you are towing big long heavy trailers, in which case, you are not missing out, as the route is one of the steepest, most winding, and narrowest paved roads in the state, and the beauty of the drive will likely be lost to you as you work to get all your crap up the road safely. The route climbs about 2000 feet in about 4 miles, with most of the elevation change taking place in the last half of the climb up.

Denise had been dreading this part of the trip due to its steep grade, extremely sharp turns, and little margin for error, so she was pretty tense by the time we started the ascent. I was able to talk to her on the CB and hopefully help her out, and fortunately, traffic was pretty light.

I wasn’t surprised when she made the whole trip up like a boss without a glitch and picked perfect lines the whole way.

It wasn’t exactly a picnic for me behind her in the Freight Shaker as I weighed close to 50 thousand pounds and the road was steep enough and the turns tight enough, that I was in the low range of the 10 speed gear box and trying to keep my momentum and speed just right to avoid too many gear shifts that I could potentially screw up. LOL.

It was with great relief that we finally hooked a right at the summit to get off the 89a and onto the backroads with less pressure!

That relief was to be short lived.

I had dropped down into second to make the turn off, and once straightened out, I picked up speed and upshifted to third on the steep hill.

And that’s when everything went to shit.

I executed what felt like a perfect 2-3 shift, hit the accelerator pedal and-nothing!

What the hell? It took me a few seconds to get sorted out as the truck was rapidly losing all forward momentum on the steep hill, but I finally realized that the engine has died.

Shit!

I radio Denise that I have a dead truck, but she has little choice but to continue on up the tight winding road to find somewhere to pull off-which ends up being a couple miles further along.

As the truck came to a stop, I stepped on the brakes to keep from rolling back down the steep hill and try to restart the engine. Not happening. I set the park brakes and got out of the truck to assess the situation.

At this point in time, it was about 2 pm, and we had been up since around 3:30 am and had a long day already behind us fighting issues with loading parts, fueling trucks, and generally just lots of frustrating and tiring delays. We had planned on being in camp-still a solid hour away under good conditions, by noon. Already late, tired, and a bit frazzled, I then found myself staring down the barrel of possibly really expensive repairs and maybe even an outrageous tow bill. It’s one of the drawbacks of such a big truck-when things go bad on the road, it’s generally really expensive.

I’m not gonna lie, I was borderline about to freak out with the full weight of what my current situation could cost and entail, and I was struggling to get my shit together and figure my way out of the current dilemma. Normally I’m pretty good at assessing, troubleshooting, and figuring out some crafty way to get out of sticky situations without too much drama or expense-but I was really nervous that I had finally come up against something that was going to really get painfully expensive.

So here’s where it all came to a halt. Stuck on a steep narrow two lane piece of blacktop with a disappointingly high volume of traffic needing to get by considering the location.

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OK. Time to figure out how to get over this. First, I tried to simply just start the truck. No dice, and after only just a couple short cranks, the batteries were too low to even turn the engine over, which was unusual. So maybe I’ve just got a charging system issue and the ECU quit due to low voltage? Alright, I’ve got a big NOCO jump box for just such occasions, so I got it hooked up and hit the starter. The engine lit right off! Yeah!! I’m saved!

Nope. As soon as the engine fired up, it then immediately revved up on it’s own, then died, and would not restart. Crap.

So is it some wiring/electrical issue? This era of Cummins M-11 have a couple known issues, a few of which I’ve sorted out on this truck. Now I’m really nervous. Wiring issues can be time consuming to sort out, I don’t have the repair manuals with me to help and don’t remember what wires were the ones to check to make sure the ECU is getting power or even how to check the fuel shut off solenoid. AAHHHHHH!!!

Just as I’m about to hit freak out mode, I happen to notice a small puddle of fuel on the ground under the fuel/water separator. What’s this?! Did the drain fitting come loose and allow the fuel system to suck air? That would certainly explain everything!

As it turns out, I have had to bleed the air from this trucks fuel system a few too many times and have that down to an art form. I take an air nozzle and connect it to the fuel tanks vent and put a little positive pressure on the fuel tank and crack all the necessary valves and fittings. And this truck has a separate hydraulically driven air compressor. Of course, the catch here is that the engine has to be running to run the hydraulics. Thankfully, I have a habit of running that air compressor at every start up to make sure the air system has pressure in case of an emergency like this, so I know I at least have some air to play with.

As soon as I pressurized the fuel system, my problem became readily apparent. The water separator drain bowl had cracked, meaning the fuel system had indeed sucked in air, causing the engine to die.

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Simple problem, and a simple fix-if I had another separator bowl on hand. Crap. Getting one of those could be a nightmare in and of itself! I could just bypass this filter if I had the right fitting to put the inlet and outlet hoses together, as I’m pretty sure there is a second filter on the system. This could be risky though, as these type of injectors are extremely fickle and do not tolerate dirty fuel.

And I have dead batteries and a now dead jump box to deal with even if I get this sorted out.

I realize it’s time to call in some help.

I need a mechanic.

Not just any mechanic, but a mercenary mechanic.

It was time to call Monkeyswrench!

Slight problem there though-on this remote mountain summit, I had absolutely ZERO cell service!

Fortunately, this is a problem that I encounter often and happened to have the solution on hand. So I deployed our portable Victron 12 volt inverter and our Starlink satellite system. After a minute for the Starlink to boot up, and my phone set to enable calling over WiFi, I’m able to send pictures, texts, and make a phone call to RDPs very own Monkeyswrench.

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After some discussion, Kevin and I conclude that I can indeed bypass that filter for a few miles if I can scrounge up the correct parts, and that he should come up the mountain to help me get it started again and jump the low batteries on the truck. For perhaps the first time that day, fortune shined upon me, as Kevin not only lives only a few miles from where I was broken, but was available to come bail my sorry ass out. Awesome!



About this time, the director of the camp that we are already supposed to be at happens to drive up. She didn’t recognize me at first, as we had met, but she had never seen our work trucks. I explained to her what was going on, that we should be rolling soon, and could she please relay what was going on to Denise, who presumably would be found parked along the side of the road somewhere ahead. The camp director was having her own issues, as she was guiding a 28 foot box truck in to the camp that had all the solar components that we were supposed to be on site unloading. That truck driver looked frazzled too. Seemed like everyone involved with the project was running late and having a total Monday on the top of this mountain, LOL.

I began scouring our electrical work truck for plumbing parts. LOL.

Right about then, the cutest roadside assistance ever shows up in the form of my wife, Denise, driving our Polaris Ranger. We often take our venerable old Ranger to jobs with us, as it proves invaluable in moving us and parts around jobsites that often span several acres.

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Denise, who knows me well, and who herself knows her way around solving problems and getting shit done, had unloaded the Ranger from the toyhauler, brought a cooler full of water, and a bag of snacks! I love that girl!

Her and I then found an electrical fitting that we turned into a plumbing fitting by applying a ton of Blue Monster Teflon tape, and bypassed the filter assembly. We then plugged the filter to keep dirt out, and together we ran the air hose and wrenches to purge most of the air from the remaining fuel system. Then all we could do was wait for Kevin to show up with a vehicle big enough to jump-charge the Freight Shaker enough to hopefully get it started.

Denise jumped back in the Ranger and high-tailed it back to her truck for the huge jumper cables we keep on it, and for more snacks. Shortly after Denise returned, the Monkeyswrench himself showed up to make this mess a real roadside party.

Here Kevin is doing his best Austin Powers turning the Excursion around on the narrow road to get the front of it to the front of our truck. LOL.

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The three of us then got busy final bleeding the fuel system, charging batteries, trying to direct traffic and not get run over, and getting the truck started. It took a little doing, but before long, the Cummins grumbled back to life. Once it did, it was immediately apparent that a broken fuel filter was not the only issue we had-not only was the alternator not putting out much voltage or current, but the noises coming from it clearly indicated that the front bearing set was preparing to permanently retire. Yikes.

But the truck was up and running, so we decided to get this circus moving again and that Kevin would follow us to our destination in case we had any other issues and needed more help. A couple miles up the road, we linked up with Denise who dropped in behind us, and then we had ourselves a convoy!

We eased our little convoy in the last rough miles over dirt roads into the camp without much further drama over the course of about 45 minutes. After some head scratching with camp staff as to where to park a lot of large truck and trailer in a small bit of real estate, we began to get unloaded, un hooked, un packed and our camp within the camp set up.

Kevin headed back home with whatever information he needed to procure us repair parts, as he would be returning to effect more permanent repairs the following week.

It took Denise and I till about 9pm to get everything setup and ready for tomorrows work to begin. We were both exhausted, as it had been a long, long day. Several days, actually. But we had our work trailer set up in a nice spot that was right next to the building that we would be working on. Here’s a birds eye view of our camp spot.

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Tuesday promised to be a better, more productive day. Tuesday, it would turn out, was kinda a liar…
 

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If that’s what it takes just to get to the spot.. 😳. I’m wondering how the rest of the job goes.. lol. Holy shit!


Quick question do you do RV’s?
 

The Chicken

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If that’s what it takes just to get to the spot.. 😳. I’m wondering how the rest of the job goes.. lol. Holy shit!


Quick question do you do RV’s?
Sometimes it's an adventure, LOL!
Yes, we do RVs.
Here's a link to our work trailer for reference:

 

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Chicken Dan!

About time for some more stories!
 

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Tuesdays Gone…

Tuesday morning we woke up tired but looking forward to getting the project back on track.

Before we could get a whole lot done, we spent some time with the camp director and the head maintenance guy, who were both so very excited to see u s finally here. They can’t wait to stop running off of a generator.

After spending some time going over the project with them, and just chit-chatting, the next thing to do was a real inventory of what was delivered to make sure everything that was supposed to be there was present and accounted for.

For inventory and the rest of this job, it would turn out to be a real good thing I had elected to bring our skiddy, as it would become invaluable in moving pallets of heavy gear around and making a landing pad for all our trucks and equipment.

There was a lot to go over-the solar parts alone were 10 pallets of gear, and we had packed another three pallets of electrical parts on the truck along with a bunch of miscellaneous parts.

Here’s three pallets of just solar panels.

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Two and a half pallets of lithium batteries. I have battery envy.


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A big pallet of racking parts.

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And here’s the big, bright, shiny roof we will be half filling with solar panels. The roof is 50 by 120 feet.

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It took us the better part of the day to determine the exact layout of all the components on the roof. Once we had done all the math, and double checked the numbers, it was time to load up and mark out the roof.

And that’s where Tuesday sorta fell apart. The ground around the building was supposed to have been made ready for our scissor lift and other equipment to park and operate on, but it never got done.

Lucky for us, I had sort of half expected this, and had also brought the bucket for the skiddy. So we called a meeting with the powers that be, and after making arrangements that worked for everyone, I hopped in the machine and began moving dirt and leveling and smoothing everything out and building approaches and a landing for everything. That took a little while but turned out really good, and would prove to make the rest of the install go smoother.

Finally, towards the end of the day, we began to set the feet that would anchor the racking to the roof and purlins of the building.

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180 mounting feet, four ¼” diameter self drilling screws per foot, and we got about half of them done before we ran out of daylight and knee power. That’s a lot of squats at the end of the day for a couple of 50 year olds!


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We were happy to be working, and happy to be in such a beautiful place, but we were now a full day behind schedule due to everything that had been going on. Oh well, Wednesday would surely be better, wouldn’t it?...
 

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Great story!!! Thanks for sharing. Sounds like you and Denise are a great pair!!!! Can’t wait to read more of your adventure. As you started describing the route and area I immediately thought of @wash11 in Fort Rock and @monkeyswrench in Prescott Valley. I do have to ask as I looked at the route up mountain that you described. I have not been up there but have driven south of Prescott to Wickenburg. Is the grade and route similar? If so that is a trek for your set up. 👍
 

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Great story!!! Thanks for sharing. Sounds like you and Denise are a great pair!!!! Can’t wait to read more of your adventure. As you started describing the route and area I immediately thought of @wash11 in Fort Rock and @monkeyswrench in Prescott Valley. I do have to ask as I looked at the route up mountain that you described. I have not been up there but have driven south of Prescott to Wickenburg. Is the grade and route similar? If so that is a trek for your set up. 👍
This is the stretch of 89a from my side of the hill to Jerome. I want to say there are only two gnarly turns where the double yellow just has to be crossed with a big ride or trailer. Heading down, into Jerome, it sucks with a pickup and a car trailer :oops: This time of year, the road gets a lot of weekend warriors, both sports cars and motorcycles. They're the ones you really have to watch for more than the turns.

This is also the same road that has warning signs, no trucks over a certain length, no trailers over a certain pin to axle...It happens about once a year, some OTR driver with a GPS tries taking it to shave some time. I'm sure the tow bills have to be massive, there is only one place to turn around at the top, if they can get that far.
 

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This is the stretch of 89a from my side of the hill to Jerome. I want to say there are only two gnarly turns where the double yellow just has to be crossed with a big ride or trailer. Heading down, into Jerome, it sucks with a pickup and a car trailer :oops: This time of year, the road gets a lot of weekend warriors, both sports cars and motorcycles. They're the ones you really have to watch for more than the turns.

This is also the same road that has warning signs, no trucks over a certain length, no trailers over a certain pin to axle...It happens about once a year, some OTR driver with a GPS tries taking it to shave some time. I'm sure the tow bills have to be massive, there is only one place to turn around at the top, if they can get that far.
Thanks Kevin. 👍 Heard great things about Jerome. Might have to check it out once these days.
 

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Great story!!! Thanks for sharing. Sounds like you and Denise are a great pair!!!! Can’t wait to read more of your adventure. As you started describing the route and area I immediately thought of @wash11 in Fort Rock and @monkeyswrench in Prescott Valley. I do have to ask as I looked at the route up mountain that you described. I have not been up there but have driven south of Prescott to Wickenburg. Is the grade and route similar? If so that is a trek for your set up. 👍
Chicken Dan is our neighbor. You’ve seen a lot of his handy work in my Off The Grid thread. He and Denise are also partnered with us on the poultry side of the farm business. It’s disturbing how much time we spend together. I’ve even started telling bad jokes, Chicken Dan style😳
 

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This sounds like Part of my trip to Mammoth.

There is nothing better than having a first class support system, when shit brakes out on the road.

👍🏼🙏👍🏼🙏👍🏼🙏
 

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Look forward to reading about the good fortune coming your way!
 

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Dan, Its great to be able to see what you and Denise have put together in the last few years.
Keep the stories coming.
 

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Great stories, happy endings are nice. Good job you two and MW for the win!

Been down 89a from Flag down through Sliderock. It was a while back though. 89 was closed. We were in a blue 1972 VW Squareback. Our first car we bought on time. We had camped in Flaggstaff the night before, coming home from Colorado.

It had rained so hard during the night that when I did my precheck of the car I found the rain had leaked in the back hatch and that the oil fill tube had filled up the crankcase with water clear up to the top. !°°!
 

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Wednesdays dawn broke clear and cool up in the mountains, and we jumped right back into getting stuff done on this large roof.

We wanted to get as much done as possible early in the morning, because that shiny roof is like a miserable tanning bed once the sun hits it.

We got the rest of the mounting feet installed, then rode the old scissor lift down to pre-assemble all the rails on the ground.

While I took care of some busy work, Denise got all 30 rail assemblies put together and loaded on the reach lift for their ride to the roof.

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About halfway through attaching the rails to the feet, we discovered there was something of a math error with the racking BOM and it left us short on mounting hardware. Shit!

And just like that, 90 dollars worth of missing parts ground the whole job to a halt.

Between some strange communication issues, and a supplier that was super busy that day, it took several hours to arrange the parts for will call in Flagstaff, which is about two hours away. One of the camp staff went to go pick the parts up towards the end of the day, and would return with them Thursday morning.

Once we had managed to get the missing parts at least on their way, it was time to try and do what we could to salvage what was left of the day.

We finished mounting what rails we had hardware for, and staged the other rails so they were ready when their hardware showed up.
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As daylight faded, our last task was to figure out how we wanted to do wire management and exactly how we wanted to arrange our home run PV circuits up on the roof.

For that, we peeled a couple panels off the stack and flipped them over to mock up what they would be installed like on the roof.


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Once that was done, we were tired, it was late, and there was nothing left to do but have a cocktail and hope that tomorrow had less setbacks.


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Welcome to construction out in the middle of nowhere. LOL.
 

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How much power will this thing make at high noon?
 

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4:00 am Thursday morning came too early for Denise and I who were tired and sore from a week plus of long days filled with a lot of physical work and not a little stress. We unwillingly rolled out of bed and made big coffees in attempt to wake up, perk up and maybe feel like we were 30 again. LOL.

About 4:30 as we were having our tall cups of wake-up juice, a noticeable shift could be felt in the air. The humidity suddenly spiked, and you could feel the pressure drop. It smelled like storm. The temperature was also up significantly from previous mornings. It would prove to be a long, hot, and humid day up on the roof. It was like a sauna. By days end, we would both end up with a slight sunburn despite long sleeves and pants, and a touch of heat exhaustion as well.



Up on the roof, one last double check of everything was in order in the pre-dawn light.


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Everything looked as good as we could expect, so it was time to install the first couple of solar panels to make sure our layout and wiring strategy were going to work like we thought.


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Getting the first panel installed is always kinda exciting because a lot of work goes into getting everything ready for the panels.



Once two panels were installed, we were able to verify that both our home run and panel-to-panel wiring strategy were good. With that verified, it was time to pre-fab all the home run PV wires and terminate them, then lay them out in their respective places in the mounting rails that also act as a sort of wiring trough or conduit.


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Once the home runs were all installed, we came down off the roof for a quick breakfast, and then began preparing the panels themselves for the roof. This consists of pulling them off of the pallet that the skiddy is carrying, installing a couple of wire retaining clips in strategic spots, and putting a meter on each panel just to do a simple voltage check to make sure the panel is functioning before we install it. Once that’s complete, we have a stack of them on the reach lift and use it to boost them up to the roof where we can then install them.


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In order to optimally place the panels in a spot that is clear of obstructions, and as far away from the roof edge as is practical for safer working, I have Denise up on the roof directing me on where to hover the panels above the roof with the reach lift. Cutest spotter ever!


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One of our arguably cool tools is our ancient, pile of crap scissor lift. It’s ugly and terrible but has saved our ass on a number of jobs. We have another nicer smaller one-but it is strictly for hard smooth surfaces. This old beat up one has soft tires and can go on dirt-although it has to be pretty damn flat and smooth dirt. This lift is old, has an outdated scissor design that sways like a drunken sailor, and is slow AF, but it reaches a full 20 feet and is still a thousand times better, faster, and safer than an extension ladder. Joel/Wash 11 had the great good fortune to spend some time in this lift, and it’s his favorite piece of equipment to run. He says it’s fun-like being in a rowboat without a life preserver in a big ocean storm.

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Something I forgot to mention-when we install the rails and then later the panels, we set up a string line to help us keep all the components all neat and tidy. Pretty much laser-straight is how we want everything. It maybe doesn’t matter, but we are pretty picky about the aesthetics as well as the functionality of every part and piece we install. We feel like it makes for a system that is not only pleasing to look at, but easier to work on down the road should the need arise. My background is commercial and industrial electrical, and that’s a world where everything you install better be neat, level, plumb, and parallel-and if you can’t install your stuff in that manner, get the F off the job because they will find someone else who can. So, yeah, we are kinda picky about how everything is installed.


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The rest of the day, we doubled down and threw everything we had at the project, and by the time it was too dark to work anymore, we had just over half of the panels finally installed on the roof.


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It had been a long day, and a long week, but Thursday went well without any real issues, and we managed to get closer to back on schedule. By end of day, we estimated that we had gone from two days behind schedule to only one day behind, so that felt pretty good.



Something pretty cool happens on most of our jobs. We end up building a really great relationship with our customers. Many of them become friends, and most of them we stay in contact long after the job is done. Very often, after we arrive on site, people pretty much make their house our house. We have been offered up the use of peoples cars, SXSs, property, houses, and all manner of things. Many of our customers express how we made them feel good and confident about not only their decision to use us, but how comfortable they are having us not only on their property, put having the run of it and whatever else we may need. I don’t mention this to brag or anything like that. I mention it because it is a great honor of ours to be so trusted and have people so confident in our abilities and integrity. It’s a great feeling to be so trusted and welcomed.

Well, this job turns out to be no different, as the camp emptied out on Thursday, and all the staff needed to go elsewhere for a day, so we were handed the keys to an entire 4H camp facility! LOL-a personal best as for the scope and value of things we were given the control and keys to.

We had also agreed to stay up till 10 pm to shut down the generator that powers the camp, and to restart it at 6 the following morning. Which was cool, but meant that I had to stay up way past my bedtime to make sure that happened. More on the camps existing generator setup later.

The humidity and feeling of impending storm that had rolled in that morning, turned into a full blown mountain thunderstorm around 9 pm, complete with the rolling cannonade of thunder that only comes with lightning storms in the mountains. It also meant that I had to scramble for rain gear to go secure everything and shut down the camps generator.

Finally at about 10:30, with everything done and battened down, I crawled into bed.

Friday would be a big push to see if we could get the project back on track…
 

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Dan, Its great to be able to see what you and Denise have put together in the last few years.
Keep the stories coming.
Robbie! Long time, no see! Hope all is well with you guys.
 

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Your Sense of Accomplishment must triple with your wife so actively and productively involved. Team job, very well done. Really enjoying this thread.
I am blessed that we are able to do this together.
It's not always smooth sailing, but neither one of us have been stabbed in our sleep by the other, so it seems to be working. LOL.
How Denise came to do this full time, and really our relationship in itself is quite the story. Hopefully at some point I can share some of that-it's quite the trip!
 

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Robbie! Long time, no see! Hope all is well with you guys.
We’re doing well my friend. Still down in the Tucson area helping our remaining parents make it through their final years. Someone has to do it. But we get down to the Caribbean every few months to R&R. We traded the camp life for room service you might say.
 

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and how much loss calculated in due to the trees? Or is that made up with additinal panels..
Well, we are installing 49,050 watts of bifacial panels on a highly reflective roof, so at solar noon they should do pretty good at producing close to their rated output.

Shading is a definite issue. And nobody wants to see these 100 foot or taller trees cut down, so it is just a fact they have to deal with.
It defiantly cuts their peak production times down, particularly in the winter months.
However, we are over paneling (and actually going over on inverters and batteries too-based on their current consumption and expected near-future growth) this and the camp shuts down in the winter, so loads then will be minimal.
 

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It’s finally Friday!

Friday morning-the last big push is on!

We are under the gun to get at least all the solar panels installed so that the expensive-to-rent reach lift can get returned on time and not add a bunch of extra cost to the job.

Last nights big rain storm made the roof real slippery, and we still had a lot of edge work to do 20 feet up, so speed was going to have to take a back seat to caution.


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The storm also had a bunch of critters running around, like this baby toad (or frog?) that I had to move to keep him from getting run over.


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The good news is there was a nice cloud cover, so the temperature stayed nice and cool for several hours, allowing us to be pretty productive instead of just pretty sweaty. LOL

We gingerly made our way through the roof edge work, and then about that time the sun came out.

So much for not being sweaty!

However, that dried the roof up, and so with positive footing, we were back up to full speed, and our little system of preparing and lifting and mounting the panels was now a well oiled machine, and before we knew it, we were bolting down the last panel by noon!

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Despite a bunch of issues and setbacks, we had managed to meet our primary goal of releasing the reach lift by Friday. We still had a day’s worth of conduit and wiring to do on the roof that we had hoped to also have done by Friday, but all things considered, we were pretty happy with the progress we managed.

And with that, we packed up camp and hit the road one jump ahead of a new thunderstorm that was rolling in-which caught us just about the time we hit pavement.


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It was time for a weekend of rest, laundry, some cocktails, and catching our breath to prepare for next weeks misadventures.

Surely next week would go better, wouldn’t it?...
 

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You two ain't slow rolling! That's a massive amount of panels to load and mount for two people out in the woods. Not like a commercial setup where you could have a crane stage a few bunks down the ridge. Weird seeing it come together, but very cool.
 

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You two ain't slow rolling! That's a massive amount of panels to load and mount for two people out in the woods. Not like a commercial setup where you could have a crane stage a few bunks down the ridge. Weird seeing it come together, but very cool.
Tomorrow promises to be real entertaining.
We've got some joker showing up who says he can fix anything!
We will see what kind of stories THAT makes for! :D :D
 

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Tomorrow promises to be real entertaining.
We've got some joker showing up who says he can fix anything!
We will see what kind of stories THAT makes for! :D :D
Don't worry, they're also calling for monsoons between 10 and 3...I may be stealing a camp canoe to get home 🤣

...and "fix" is a strong word. I usually say I'll "work" on anything;)
 

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I want to reply further just haven't had any time. I'm really impressed by how quickly you've laid down that array with just the two of you. Excellent work! Off grid and Micro grid are my "passion" when it comes to solar..working to hopefully focus solely on micro within a couple years.
 

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I want to reply further just haven't had any time. I'm really impressed by how quickly you've laid down that array with just the two of you. Excellent work! Off grid and Micro grid are my "passion" when it comes to solar..working to hopefully focus solely on micro within a couple years.
What would be "Micro Grid"? Like self contained multiple household or facility?
 

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Hello Monday, are we gonna do this shit again? :D :D

Monday morning had us loading up the F-350 with another round of parts and hoping to not repeat last Mondays round of BS.

So far, it wasn’t looking really promising, as a critical batch of parts that we needed that was supposed to be delivered last Friday never showed up, so it was one of the first things we would have to straighten out.

Denise drove the first leg of the trip from Fort Rock to Seligman so I could get on the computer and attempt to catch this story up. I was partially successful despite the ever so rough I-40 making typing near impossible.:rolleyes:


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After a stop in Seligman for breakfast we then went to Ashfork for fuel. Then I made some phone calls to confirm that, indeed, our critical parts had somehow never even shipped. A few more phone calls, emails, and texts got the parts redirected to a location closer to the job.

Hopefully. LOL.

I drove the rest of the way to camp.

I tried to get some pictures of the winding road up the mountain. They don’t really do justice to it.

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Once you leave the main road, there is still a couple miles of tight winding blacktop, then you drop into some pretty forest roads.

Finally, we were at the gate to camp. Good thing we had the keys!


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Once at Camp DRE, we unloaded the truck, took care of a couple emails and phone calls, then jumped right back into the project to make sure we didn’t have another Monday.

That was short lived. We almost immediately discovered that the wall they had built for our equipment wasn’t the 8 feet tall it appeared to be that we require in our contract. A bunch of blue tape on the wall is how we mock up all the gear, and we attempted to try and make this short wall work-but no dice.


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So it was a meeting with the camp people to tell them they need to redo the wall. Stat.

That wrecked the days work plans of setting up the inverter room layout, so we had to regroup and figure out how to keep moving forward.

Denise tackled assembling the battery racks.


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And I took on the unenviable and inevitable task of figuring out the final details of integrating a new power system into a very old wiring and distribution system. Given the age and location, it was no real surprise to find a lot of-shall we say creative? -wiring here.:oops:

First, on the new side, I have to figure out how to deal with these conduit stub up someone else did. I wish this picture did justice to how crooked and messed up these are. Half in and half out of the wall. One is so crooked it’s practically pointing at the adjacent wall. They aren’t deep enough, so I’ve got a bell end on one and a coupler on another to contend with. The sweeps are 2 ½” but the conduit is only 2”-so that’s a big can of worms. It’s crazy how much someone who doesn’t do stuff like this for a living can so miserably screw up such a simple thing. They tried, and thought they were doing good, but... Sigh.

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Then I was on to mapping out the existing electrical system at my tie in points so I can make sure I get everything hooked up and connected safely. There was some good stuff to be found. LOL.


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I was actually pleasantly surprised to find terminal blocks in this gutter!
Just about everything else is a living nightmare for a professional electrician with a small case of OCD.😬😬

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At the end of the day, things didn’t go how we wanted them, and we had a few issues, but it was a total walk in the park compared to last Monday and we did make good progress, we are gonna call this day a win.

Suck it, Monday!
 

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I want to reply further just haven't had any time. I'm really impressed by how quickly you've laid down that array with just the two of you. Excellent work! Off grid and Micro grid are my "passion" when it comes to solar..working to hopefully focus solely on micro within a couple years.
Thank you! That is a compliment indeed!
We almost never do roof mounts, and this one had a number of not readily apparent challenges in the background.
We love helping make peoples off-grid dreams into a reality.
And we have what you might call a small off-grid micro grid project in the works that I THINK will ink this year. We've been working on the papaerework part for over a year now. 480V three phase, high voltage batteries...I hope it comes to be, it will be cool.
 

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As an old retired Comm/Ind Sparky, I find this thread captivating and extremely entertaining. I am however conflicted if I should thank you or curse you, as the anxiety is causing me to grind what's left of my teeth down to nubs.
Like a horrific traffic accident, I tell myself, "Just look away, move to another thread", but I can't stop myself from continuing. 🤣

The only proper thing to do is share this thread link with my contractor son ---- yeah baby 👍👍👍 😁;)

Seriously, you guys make an amazing team and it's causing my mind to replay memories of so many different, yet similar "Mondays". 😖

The logistics and many various challenges of your project reminds me of over 30 years ago when we replaced and buried the entire electrical infrastructure of a huge Boy Scout Camp tucked away in a remote mountain valley. It to was a long drive and then finally accessed by about 11 miles of narrow, jarring, winding dirt road.
There were a few days when I had a large crew on site for big all day wire pulls, or setting large gear sections, but the majority of that summer I had two young electricians and a backhoe operator living at the camp.
I had no problem recruiting these young volunteers after they'd spotted the "Camp Counselors". Most of them were cute college girls from various colleges earning credits while making some dollars, getting free room and board, and spending a summer in an amazing location with almost endless recreational activities.

We've got 40 acres of prepped land in the Peacocks up above Hackberry. I notice posts on our local area Facebook page seeking Off-Grid Electrical Contractors.
These would be small single residence jobs. I wouldn't hesitate in recommending you if you're interested in traveling from Ft. Rock to that area for small jobs.

Again, Thank You 👏👍👍👍
 

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It’s Tuesday again!

Today was the day to rebuild the wall that wasn’t built right. Boy was it a mess. It took us all day to do it, mostly because we had to build a bunch of standoffs to land the steel stud channels on top of the Z gurt. And we are not really framers, so we aren’t really fast at this.

Last night, Denise had all the old particle board removed, so it was a bit of a fresh start this morning.


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Turns out a bunch of the studs weren’t even close to plumb, and there was a lot of goofy stud spacing, so Denise straightened the crooked ones and move a couple to get the spacing to work right.


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Along about 8 in the morning, who should show up but this joker.


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He swore he knew what he was doing, but instead of real tools, he took channel locks to everything.

You gotta watch this guy. LOL.

Just kidding, he got all our crap back in order without any fuss.

The Freightliner got a new alternator, new speed sensor, and Kevin managed to somehow find us a replacement water separator bowl in a wrecking yard! He also managed to get some minor issues with the skiddy and our Ranger addressed.

Here is what our previous bypass fix if the fuel filter from last week looked like before Kevin put it back to normal. Turns out if you put enough tape on the fittings an electrical GRC coupler can be a plumbing coupler. LOL.


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While Kevin spent the day fixing our stuff, we were fixing the inverter wall. We started by scrounging some scrap materials to build risers to mount the steel stud channel to. This consisted of cutting up a bunch of stuff and drilling holes in to it to make custom little Z brackets.

At one point, both Denise and I were drilling holes in our makeshift brackets, and it was a good thing the Freightliner has a His and Her vice installed on the rear deck. :D


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This diminutive little red vice has quite the story of it’s own. Perhaps someday I can tell its story here.

For now, here it is with a Milwaukee 12V battery next to it to give you an idea of how small it actually is. LOL.


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Once the brackets were made, Denise installed them, and then we both built the framing to hold the upper section of the new ¾” plywood wall covering. We aren’t framers, so this probablt took longer than it should have.


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It’s come to my attention before that red iron steel buildings are just plain miserable to frame out interior walls for, with all the odd shape beams and things in the way.



Anyway, once the framing was done, we measured the studs and carefully predrilled the screw holes in the plywood.


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About that time, a good old fashioned mountain rain storm cut loose. The sound of all that rain on 6000 square feet of uninsulated steel roof was crazy loud. When the rain turned to hail, it was deafening.



We chased Kevin out of there and towards home for fear the storm would make the roads too muddy for him to get out.

About that time, an issue we had noticed with their building manifested itself in the form of a growing puddle in the inverter room.


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If you are experienced with steel buildings, you may notice a couple issues that need addressed here.


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Denise worked through the rain storm in the relative comfort of the inverter room to get the rest of the wall completed amidst the growing lake on the floor.

About the time we had the wall about 75% covered, a second storm rolled in and opened up.

I managed to get some rain pictures, but they don’t really do justice to the quantity of water falling from the sky.


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The amount of water a roof this size collects and sheds is impressive.


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By the end of the day, Denise and had the wall covered. Well, except for one section that we were short one sheet. The shortage occurred because what we didn’t notice is that the previous sheets were 49” wide instead of 48” and that meant we had to rip a section out of one of our new sheets to cover the gap on the lower level of the wall. I’ve never even heard of 49” wide sheets of particle board! Oops.


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That was all she wrote for Tuesday.

With a little luck we would be back to actually installing our solar gear come morning time!
 

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Bad Ass seeing you and the Wife working side by side like that 👍
This is a fun thread to follow.
 

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Great thread, Thanks! Love you story telling as well. Similar to Wash11's, Off Grid approach.

Birds of a feather, I guess.

My dream is to install a large ground mount solar system for our place in the Sierra Foothills. These threads give me desire and reality checks simultaneously...
 
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