Mod VP

[Ultra247]

Brother driving our 18' Baker tunnel! Hours and years of refurbishment but there's nothing like it!
The smile on his face says it all!!

 

[lbhsbz]

View attachment 884082 I have a Lavey 18'10" mod VP. The sebring was a larger boat that came a bit later I believe.

I've only had mine for a few years, but it is a very good boat. Mine is a fairly heavy layup I think and its rock solid....no flex at all. I put a transom in it...probably about twice or 3 times as stout as it was originally, and that likely contributes. Mine runs a bit over 80 with an old 200hp merc and turns like a slot car. I've never driven a stoker or Baker or I can't really compare.

For sale, if anyone is interested...

 

[Bigbore500r]

Now that Mercury has absorbed BRP, there are no longer 2 strokes being made. This puts our boats in Jeopardy because there are no longer light, fast outboards being made for the Mod VP's and I can see our boats becoming more rare and rare as motors start dying. I know my boat would NOT like a 500lb 4 stroke on back.

What’s the weight difference between a newer Evinrude (BRP) 250 and a 300r? Besides some cubic dollars but that’s a different convo

 

[lbhsbz]

What’s the weight difference between a newer Evinrude (BRP) 250 and a 300r? Besides some cubic dollars but that’s a different convo

Not much...if any. The Gen 1 E-tecs were light enough to run on a small boat, but the Gen 2 E-tecs are 500ish lbs like everything else. Luckily, I have 2 complete spare 2.4L powerheads and another 3 blocks (bridgeport, XR-4, and a Mod VP) and a couple sets of sleeves to keep mine alive until well after I die...or they outlaw 2 strokes

 

[WavetoWave]

Now that Mercury has absorbed BRP, there are no longer 2 strokes being made. This puts our boats in Jeopardy because there are no longer light, fast outboards being made for the Mod VP's and I can see our boats becoming more rare and rare as motors start dying. I know my boat would NOT like a 500lb 4 stroke on back.

BRP stopped making outboards but the G2 wasn't light anyway. I wouldn't be afraid to run a four stroke, they're a little heavier but they run well. For the smaller boats, a 150 ProXS or 175 ProXS is decent, the bigger boats can run the V8. A solid option is the 225 V6 and you can add the V8 Merc Racing lower mounts, the new torque master and it's not that heavy, about 480 Lbs.

I ran an Allison Grand Sport with a slightly modified Mercury 150 four stroke ( ProXS upper mounts, custom cone) and it ran 80 MPH.

 

[GETBOATS]

would agree 100% with the above, proper setup, this boat is retired now but during its development we found that adding 12 pounds to back side of the bow eye made all the difference counteracting 505 LBS of four stroke Yamaha. there is no transom with less width than a Sleekcraft, its tiny back there. This boat was incredible in the rough, not my words, but others I passed. Barco lounger was one term, LOL This boat was intended to run on the pad 10.5 inches wide, only using the sponsons for support as they ran dry letting air to escape from the tunnels. counter intuitive I know, but it worked. Apparently safe as I never went on my head.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

We raced a little Lavey in 1985 with a 2.6 Johnson, fast, but very unforgiving in corners. The owner of Lavey at the time was Dale Clark, the boat was in its early development stages, thinking we had the second one from the mold. Boat made the cover of Speed and Spray in 1985. Don't know where Dale is today

Which one was it? I believe I know who owns the 2nd Seabring made as well. Obviously I know where the first one made is at.

 

[Riverbound]

 

[stoker22405]

Most enjoyable boat I have ever owned

 

[GETBOATS]

Which one was it? I believe I know who owns the 2nd Seabring made as well. Obviously I know where the first one made is at.

 

[stoker2001]

Most enjoyable boat I have ever owned

did Danny Smith from Havi own this one at one time?

 

[sintax]

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who let that guy drive?!?

 

[stoker22405]

did Danny Smith from Havi own this one at one time?

I have no idea

 

[HST4ME]

 

[bripar77]

I raced that Orange and black one for a couple of years when Jimmie Harris Owned it. We partnered up to run
the Parker Enduro back in 85' and 86' and other races at Lake Ming, San Diego, Havasu during those years. We had a Yamaha
on it at that time. Ran 102 as i remember and fun as hell. I was starting a business those years so i couldn't fully committ
to race full time. We also had Bill Olsen as one of the drivers for the Enduro. Stayed with Bill at his house and got to hear
all his great stories of his dad and himself racing.

 

[bripar77]

Maybe it is not the same boat but looks very close to the one we had.

 

[Bullet28]

I had to take a snap shot, never should have sold it. I will dig up more pics.

 

[OCMerrill]

1991 Laveycraft Sebring 20.8 and we still have it. Phased out of the popular choice by our newer to us Essex Sterling. We've owned this boat since 2004 with the intent to restore as it was previously owned by a father who let his teenage kid abuse it. Problem is it's not really worth pouring money into so It sits in a storage unit at the Rio.

 

[Uncle Dave]

View attachment 941502 I had to take a snap shot, never should have sold it. I will dig up more pics.

The very rare 22'10
The guys said it was hard to make.

 

[Bullet28]

The very rare 22'10
The guys said it was hard to make.

I didn’t realize what I had until way after, very new to performance boating at that time. I sold it to a guy in Vegas. I would definitely buy it back.

 

[outboardrick]

did Danny Smith from Havi own this one at one time?

I don't think Danny ever had a 20.4. That boat looks a lot like Bill and Karen Smith's but its not the same one.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

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Ahh ok. From what I was told Lavey had at least 3 entries in the '85 Parker race. All 3 Sebrings built differently. My uncle's, hull #1, is laid up very heavy, The other one I know, which I was told was #2, is laid up extremely light. As in the don't dare even lean on the deck type light. The last I heard it was still owned by a friend of a friend, @Hammer may know if they still own it as I heard they were thinking of selling it. The other boats from the race I do not know what happened to them unfortunately.

 

[Rayson1971]

This was my premier cmt. 2.5 200. Ran about 80. Probably 97 ish at castaic

 

[DLow]

I don't think Danny ever had a 20.4. That boat looks a lot like Bill and Karen Smith's but its not the same one.

Yes, I believe Danny’s was almost identical but the 20, not the 20.4.
260 IIRC?

 

[sintax]

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This was my premier cmt. 2.5 200. Ran about 80. Probably 97 ish at castaic

Any history on this hull / builder?

 

[Rayson1971]

Any history on this hull / builder?
[/QUOTE
I bought it without motor from an old sst120 racer named Lee Holden. He worked on outboards out of his garage in the sfv. Somehow he and a builder got involved together to build it. Not sure if it was a new mold build or what. Shit went south between them and Lee got the boat
. Then I got it.

 

[sintax]

The reason I ask, is i've tried tracking down some info on them, my dad has had this one since 97 i think. Its the 20' GMT hull. Its also running your trailers twin as well.

 

[Ragged Edge]

GMT and CMT are not the same builder. GMT stands for Gilbreth Marine Technology. Jerry Gilbreth was the man behind the curtain, Greg Foster the man behind the wheel in the MOD VP races back in the 80's.

 

[Rayson1971]

I would have to ask Lee Holden about the boat since he had something to do with the builder and mine. I would think with the amount of gel coaters on this forum that there would be someone would remember this

 

[sintax]

GMT and CMT are not the same builder. GMT stands for Gilbreth Marine Technology. Jerry Gilbreth was the man behind the curtain, Greg Foster the man behind the wheel in the MOD VP races back in the 80's.

Correct, no question there. So my dads boat is marked CMT on the HIN, but is 100% a splash or popped out of a GMT 20 mold.

 

[sintax]

I would have to ask Lee Holden about the boat since he had something to do with the builder and mine. I would think with the amount of gel coaters on this forum that there would be something I remember this

yea, I think I chatted with @Gelcoater about this before, but i'm not sure who else might know. I think this is 94-95 era stuff.

sure, I have a thread with more pics in it...

20' GMT MOD VP Tunnel

I have a GMT that has had a complete restoration done on it. Everything is new. Boat has a 250SX with a sport master lower unit. The lower unit and power head were just serviced by Fallon Marine. He is the only one who works on it. Has 10 hours since serviced. New carpet new seat frames and...

www.riverdavesplace.com

 

[Rayson1971]

I have more pics I can dig up to see if it's close to your dad's. I thought mine was the only one.

 

[Taboma]

All I can find on CMT is:

C.M.T. BOATS Manufacturer Record
No Longer in Business This manufacturer is no longer in business.

MIC: CMT ( Competition Marine Tunnels)
City ORANGE
State CA
Zip 92667
Status Out of Business
Official Phone 7146304705
Date in Business 1993-09-27
Date out of Business 1995-09-24
Type Outboards, Open Motorboats, Jon Boats
Type Sterndrive, Inboard/Outdrive

 

[Rayson1971]

This what can find. The deck is totally different than yours.

 

[RiverDave]

Never was one to run with the pack, so I did it different, raced Sleeks in the 80's, this one was no different, awesome in all respects. View attachment 884171

One of the baddest boats in the enduro when it ran!

 

[Riverbottom]

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This what can find. The deck is totally different than yours.

I don't know who CMT was, but that is the Bahner tunnel and deck. Rod Bahner was out of business by 1993, Old Rigger might know who ended up with the mold.

 

[WavetoWave]

View attachment 941502 I had to take a snap shot, never should have sold it. I will dig up more pics.

Beautiful lines on that boat. Wow.

 

[fmo24]

I don't know who CMT was, but that is the Bahner tunnel and deck. Rod Bahner was out of business by 1993, Old Rigger might know who ended up with the mold.

Yes transom is very unique

 

[Flying_Lavey]

I don't know who CMT was, but that is the Bahner tunnel and deck. Rod Bahner was out of business by 1993, Old Rigger might know who ended up with the mold.

Yes transom is very unique

Didn't realize that Bahner ever made a hull with a set-back tra som like that.

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[Riverbottom]

Didn't realize that Bahner ever made a hull with a set-back tra som like that.

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That was also their jet tunnell drag boat. The set back area was originally for the pump.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

That was also their jet tunnell drag boat. The set back area was originally for the pump.

Gotcha. Kinda what I was figuring since the bottom of that set-back isn't notched. Would be kinda cool to see someone modify that hull to do so.

 

[Gelcoater]

yea, I think I chatted with @Gelcoater about this before, but i'm not sure who else might know. I think this is 94-95 era stuff.

sure, I have a thread with more pics in it...

20' GMT MOD VP Tunnel

I have a GMT that has had a complete restoration done on it. Everything is new. Boat has a 250SX with a sport master lower unit. The lower unit and power head were just serviced by Fallon Marine. He is the only one who works on it. Has 10 hours since serviced. New carpet new seat frames and...

www.riverdavesplace.com

I’ve done lots of Stokers but these aren’t familiar? I’ll ask the old man later.

 

[wzuber]

I don't know who CMT was, but that is the Bahner tunnel and deck. Rod Bahner was out of business by 1993, Old Rigger might know who ended up with the mold.

Splash or modification of a mach 1 tunnel or maybe a southwind tunnel? They both were early mfgs. Of tunnel hulls w/the transom ext. Similar to that.

 

[sintax]

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This what can find. The deck is totally different than yours.

oh yea, no doubt there. That is a totally different hull. But interesting enough, whoever did that interior is the same who did my dads, those seats are the same for sure. Other similar rigging noticed as well.

 

[sintax]

I’ve done lots of Stokers but these aren’t familiar? I’ll ask the old man later.

Yea, my dad always thought it was similar to a stoker, but never could find the right match for it until I saw those pics of Jeff's GMT 20' in the thread I linked.

 

[stoker2001]

I don't think Danny ever had a 20.4. That boat looks a lot like Bill and Karen Smith's but its not the same one.

Aw yes Bill and Karen still have theres with same color scheme.Danny had the ALL carbon fiber "gutted" one with same colors also..remember it had those hiback seats..kinda fugly..

 

[lbhsbz]

Gotcha. Kinda what I was figuring since the bottom of that set-back isn't notched. Would be kinda cool to see someone modify that hull to do so.

I had one...and until I replaced it with my lavey, I had no idea what was missing. It ran ok in a straight line, but not great. Wouldn’t turn for shit. The transom is crap because there is no structure all the way across. I broke mine...pushed the transom off the tops of the tunnels. I ended up getting rid of the pod. The Lavey is better in every respect.

 

[Tackley137]

Loved my Sebring.... wish I could find it... a friend saw it in a Havasu boat dealer about 15 years ago

Had an '85 Rude 235 we affectionately named "Ollie The Outboard Dragonfly" (spinoff from the Rescuers "Evinrude The Outboard Dragon Fly")

In perfect conditions (slight wind chop, into the wind and Coolchange in the back seat) it ran a legit 80.. otherwise not near that, but a great slalom ski boat
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Your boat just went up for sale on Facebook.

 

[renodaytona]

Looking to pick this up from a buddy this weekend @Bullet28 did you run yours on the delta? How is it for a smaller boat down there? If I get this thing I'm planning on dragging it over for Hookie Day.