Missing Malaysia airlines flight

[Ziggy]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/malaysia-airlines-flight-missing-en-route-china/story?id=22827892

 

[DaytonaBabe]

so scary...

Those poor people and their families.... just awful

 

[spectras only]

Sad scenario, Naval information confirmed the plane plunged into the South China Sea.
Another news about the Dreamliner, Boeing recalls them because of hairline cracks found in the wings.:eek

 

[72Hondo]

Sad scenario, Naval information confirmed the plane plunged into the South China Sea.
Another news about the Dreamliner, Boeing recalls them because of hairline cracks found in the wings.:eek

You must be a rep for Airbus .

Sad deal for those involved.

Tailwinds.....

 

[spectras only]

You must be a rep for Airbus .

Sad deal for those involved.

Tailwinds.....

Never been on an Airbus or care about, just heard the news on US network about Boeing issue.:rolleyes

 

[Sleek-Jet]

The 777 is a proven airframe, but it wouldn't be the first time a good airplane was flown into the ocean.

 

[TPC]

Some speculation the group responsible for the recent mass knife attack in China may be responsible.

 

[SJP]

What a horrible way to go. RIP

 

[sirbob]

Wow

Bummer - just like the flight a couple years ago from south America to France... One minute your at 35,000 ft having dinner - the next second your free falling 6 miles upside down into the ocean.

Horrific

 

[Singleton]

Sad scenario, Naval information confirmed the plane plunged into the South China Sea.
Another news about the Dreamliner, Boeing recalls them because of hairline cracks found in the wings.:eek

Very sad for those that lost family members.

Your Dreamliner data is not accurate (summary from CNN and other news sites). Boeing found cracks in planes still in production and will inspect all 40 planes. Boeing was notified that Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) changed the way they manufacture part of the wings, so all planes that were built after MHI manufacturing process changed are being inspected. So IMO this is a company taking a hit for a 3rd party not meeting defined mfg requirements in a contract. If it turns out cause is related to MHI mfg process, look out for a huge lawsuit from Boeing against MHI.

 

[Flyinbowtie]

Really sad. A terrible way to die.
I hope they are able to determine the cause at some point.

 

[RitcheyRch]

Such tragic news. My thoughts and prayers are to all the families involved.

I believe this is only the second 777 to crash. The first one is the one that flew into the ground at SFO.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

Wow

Bummer - just like the flight a couple years ago from south America to France... One minute your at 35,000 ft having dinner - the next second your free falling 6 miles upside down into the ocean.

Horrific

The pilots fucked up on the Air France crash.

 

[Luvnlife]

The pilots fucked up on the Air France crash.

I vaguely remember this one. What was the cause?

 

[aka619er]

In the crazy times we are in today I wouldn't be surprised if it was shot down. No maydays or distress signals!

 

[Sleek-Jet]

I vaguely remember this one. What was the cause?

The airspeed probes iced over. Gave some goofy indications in the cockpit and the pilots pulled the nose up thinking they were in an over speed condition. Except the pilot flying didn't pull the nose up a little, he pulled it up a lot and kept it there and pulled the power off.

The airplane stalled and fell flat into the ocean.

Pretty much a lack of basic airmanship. You shouldn't lose a perfectly good airframe and all souls because of bad airspeed indications in cruise flight.

 

[JRS1939]

Nothing has even been confirmed about this plane crashing into the ocean yet.

 

[sirbob]

The pilots fucked up on the Air France crash.

While they may have that was not my point -

I was just comparing the fact that one minute your flying along - the next your plunging down, I feel for the passengers in that situation ... No matter the cause

 

[Runs2rch]

The airspeed probes iced over. Gave some goofy indications in the cockpit and the pilots pulled the nose up thinking they were in an over speed condition. Except the pilot flying didn't pull the nose up a little, he pulled it up a lot and kept it there and pulled the power off.

The airplane stalled and fell flat into the ocean.

Pretty much a lack of basic airmanship. You shouldn't lose a perfectly good airframe and all souls because of bad airspeed indications in cruise flight.

I agree. Wasn't the pilot pounding his flight attendant gf, and the inexperienced co-pilot was on the stick? You hit the nail on the head. Basic airmanship. I watch air disasters too often. Seems like every episode pilot error or some sort of overlooked maintenance error.

 

[Universal Elements]

Yeah...... and what do cracks in the wings of a dreamliner have to do with a B777 anyways? :rolleyes

 

[TPC]

Nothing has even been confirmed about this plane crashing into the ocean yet.

Petroleum slicks consistent with the appearance of floating jet fuel spotted in vicinity where the plane was last seen on radar by Viet Nam Air Force. Passengers aboard with stolen passports.

Related to the recent mass knife attacks in China?

 

[elcajones]

There's reports that two of the passengers boarded with stolen passports.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

I agree. Wasn't the pilot pounding his flight attendant gf, and the inexperienced co-pilot was on the stick? You hit the nail on the head. Basic airmanship. I watch air disasters too often. Seems like every episode pilot error or some sort of overlooked maintenance error.

The Captain had left the flight deck for a mandated rest period. The co-pilot and relief co-pilot (both rated and experienced in the airplane) were on the flight deck with the relief co-pilot as the pilot actually flying the airplane. They flew through a convergence zone, which is always very active with weather, and that's where the icing happened.

Most accidents are human caused, our machines are very reliable and rarely break in a fashion to cause an accident.

 

[FreeBird236]

There's reports that two of the passengers boarded with stolen passports.

What are the odds?:thumbsdown

 

[Sleek-Jet]

I can't imagine being a passenger on that plane knowing my life is seconds aways from being over, just horrific to even think about it..









With this Malaysia plane, why do you think there was no contact from the cockpit to air-traffic control? The news keeps saying it was silent and the plane just disappeared? Wouldn't you think there would be something? Screaming, distress from the pilots etc?

Probably because the last thing pilots think about is talking on the radio, despite what is shown in the movies and on TV.

 

[wsuwrhr]

The news I saw so far mentioned two passengers boarded with stolen passports. Nice to know that after the fact. How does that happen? What a mess. How sad for everyone involved.

 

[Ziggy]

Very sad for those that lost family members.

Your Dreamliner data is not accurate (summary from CNN and other news sites). Boeing found cracks in planes still in production and will inspect all 40 planes. Boeing was notified that Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) changed the way they manufacture part of the wings, so all planes that were built after MHI manufacturing process changed are being inspected. So IMO this is a company taking a hit for a 3rd party not meeting defined mfg requirements in a contract. If it turns out cause is related to MHI mfg process, look out for a huge lawsuit from Boeing against MHI.

I guess MHI ain't good at building Nuclear Turbine Generators eitherP

 

[Wakker]

Yeah...... and what do cracks in the wings of a dreamliner have to do with a B777 anyways? :rolleyes

Nothing, considering the construction process of the 777 and 787 wings are completely different deals in almost every way.

 

[JRS1939]

This story just keeps getting more weird as each hour passes. The plane had to have been blown up or something.

 

[Luvnlife]

This story just keeps getting more weird as each hour passes. The plane had to have been blown up or something.

I would think there would be more floating debris. Unless they haven't found it yet:headscratch:

 

[Wombat]

The news I saw so far mentioned two passengers boarded with stolen passports. Nice to know that after the fact. How does that happen? What a mess. How sad for everyone involved.

Heard on the radio this morning that the only Countries that check passenger lists for issues with Interpol are USA,AUSTRALIA,ENGLAND and NZ :yikes. If they (Malaysia Airlines) checked they would have found out about the 2 stolen passports.

 

[RitcheyRch]

News now reporting the oil slick sighting is from a ship and not the plane.

 

[elcajones]

Heard on the radio this morning that the only Countries that check passenger lists for issues with Interpol are USA,AUSTRALIA,ENGLAND and NZ :yikes. If they (Malaysia Airlines) checked they would have found out about the 2 stolen passports.

I think any airline flight ending in the United States is required to follow boarding rules similar to ours.

 

[Mandelon]

1. Blown up at high altitude. Debris field could be huge and parts could be small.
2. Plane landed gently in the water and sank in one piece.
3. Abducted by aliens. Stories to follow in the National Enquirer.
4. Plan hijacked and taken somewhere else altogether. Transponder disabled.

 

[OutCole'd]

1. Blown up at high altitude. Debris field could be huge and parts could be small.
2. Plane landed gently in the water and sank in one piece.
3. Abducted by aliens. Stories to follow in the National Enquirer.
4. Plan hijacked and taken somewhere else altogether. Transponder disabled.

I'm guessing #1.

Sad deal for all.

 

[Stainless]

Malaysian govt. received a letter from Chinese terrorist group claiming responsibility. They have not been able to confirm the groups claim as credible though. Source, Yahoo News.

 

[rivergames]

1. Blown up at high altitude. Debris field could be huge and parts could be small.
2. Plane landed gently in the water and sank in one piece.
3. Abducted by aliens. Stories to follow in the National Enquirer.
4. Plan hijacked and taken somewhere else altogether. Transponder disabled.

#3

 

[dread Pirate]

#3

Works for me.

 

[Cole Trickle]

This whole deal is bizarre.....

I have never seen a plane go down that didnt leave some kind of serious debri field.

If the plane was hijacked could they turn off the transponders and fly to a remote airport? Seems like a long shot considering the size of the plane.

Lots of water I just don't think they have found the wreckage yet.

 

[Cole Trickle]

Very possible that plane is parked in some remote shit hole and ransom demand any minute today.

I was thinking it could be worse and being loaded up with explosives to use as a bomb....

 

[Nord]

I heard they found a piece of the plane however it was KTLA Channel 5 and they are known for shoveling out false info.

 

[spectras only]

Very possible that plane is parked in some remote shit hole and ransom demand any minute today.

Plane has disappeared from radar screens in the middle of the sea. Eventually, pieces will show up floating somewhere.

 

[Stainless]

I don't think they could have kept everyone from getting an emergency call out or the plane from emitting a distress signal.
The theory that the experts are saying is sudden catastrophic failure, whether that be mechanical or terrorism is the question?

 

[Ziggy]

Such a bizarre deal. If it went down there simply has to be noticeable debris somewhere, every seat cushion floats among thousands of other buoyant things on that aircraft.
HiJacking is certainly a strong possibility too but as someone said, be hard to believe not a soul had somehow made an outbound phone call though.

 

[Buoy]

I don't think they could have kept everyone from getting an emergency call out or the plane from emitting a distress signal.
The theory that the experts are saying is sudden catastrophic failure, whether that be mechanical or terrorism is the question?

Exactly.
Whatever happened, happened FAST.
Otherwise, someone would have got out a cell phone call or text - unless there is no coverage there.

 

[Marine Industries West]

With 239 passengers on board, I think it would be fair to say there were at least 200 electronic devices with GPS tracking capability. Cell phones, Tablets, etc. So with that said, there is no report of any texting, cell phone usage, no emails sent, and no tracking of any of these devices while in this flight. It is being reported that are multiple families calling those cell phones and they are ringing as if they are still on. Those families are being guarded with heightened security and not being given answers as to the mystery of the ringing cell phones or their GPS coordinates.

One would think that with the immediate loss of communication on all levels, automated and manned, that something happened instantaneously. One very odd aspect is that the airplanes automated communications and reporting system that updates every second with the airline went blank, or they are not reporting the information. Also reported that a second aircraft 30 minutes in front of this aircraft was asked to contact the aircraft because of loss of contact, and the pilot states that he was successful in making contact. No mention of mayday.

The aircrafts location beacon also went silent and they cannot find that signal.

IMO, If this plane blew up and disintegrated mid-air, I find it hard to believe that an explosion of this magnitude would not be detected by any radar or satellite. With heat signatures and the technology we have today, it seems odd that we reportedly have absolutely no leads or information as to this plane's whereabouts.

The two plane tickets purchased with the stolen passports had several additional connecting flights after this missing flight. Seems a bit odd that a terrorist that had a plan to take down a plane would bother purchasing multiple additional airline tickets to contitnue on to other countries. One to end up in Germany and one to end up in Denmark.

More than 80 relatives, after a midafternoon meeting with airline representatives, signed a petition demanding the airline "announce the truth of this incident" by 5 p.m., or they would go to "make representations" at the Malaysian Embassy.

If the aircraft was blown up by terrorists, for all of it's operating systems to be shut down in the blink of an eye, and no signs of any debris, one would have to think that the explosion turned that plane into dust. If in fact something of that nature did happen, one would naturally think a nuclear weapon would have to be used to make a plane completely vanish. That brings back the heat signature questions and what kind of cover up will be put together. Imagine the airline world as we know it if it was proved that terrorists got a nuke on a plane and executed. A terror group could be standing by silently, not claiming the act because it was merely a test.

 

[Stainless]

Just received this news alert.

 

[Ziggy]

 

[Racey]

With 239 passengers on board, I think it would be fair to say there were at least 200 electronic devices with GPS tracking capability. Cell phones, Tablets, etc. So with that said, there is no report of any texting, cell phone usage, no emails sent, and no tracking of any of these devices while in this flight. It is being reported that are multiple families calling those cell phones and they are ringing as if they are still on. Those families are being guarded with heightened security and not being given answers as to the mystery of the ringing cell phones or their GPS coordinates.

One would think that with the immediate loss of communication on all levels, automated and manned, that something happened instantaneously. One very odd aspect is that the airplanes automated communications and reporting system that updates every second with the airline went blank, or they are not reporting the information. Also reported that a second aircraft 30 minutes in front of this aircraft was asked to contact the aircraft because of loss of contact, and the pilot states that he was successful in making contact. No mention of mayday.

With 239 passengers on board, I think it would be fair to say there were at least 200 electronic devices with GPS tracking capability. Cell phones, Tablets, etc. So with that said, there is no report of any texting, cell phone usage, no emails sent, and no tracking of any of these devices while in this flight.

And almost a 99.9% chance that none of those people are carrying an actual sat phone, regular cell phones have to be in range of a cell tower to work, a few miles, they will not work and can't transmit data over 20 or more miles, they don't have the power. Ringing takes place on the network, not by the receiving phone, so the cell phone could be off, or out of network, just because it rings doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Also the ocean is a big fucking place, and trying to find a debris field a few hundred yards wide in an endless expanse of sea. is easier said than done, there are oil rigs, and reefs, trash, and just the reflection off the waves to screw with search crews... It's like finding a needle in a hay stack.

 

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